Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:13 pm
@Roxy halp
You also voted for Falcon.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:12 pm Why can’t ya’ll just only vote for wolves like me?
That’s the joke, yes.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:15 pmYou also voted for Falcon.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:12 pm Why can’t ya’ll just only vote for wolves like me?
I just don't see the point here being that everyone except Alison/Wigly/Roxy here has not voted a flipped wolf by the EoD, and I have both Alison/Roxy as my strongest V-reads.
This is good shit.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 6:32 pm Yeah, I don't see Aliso/tutuu/neon not containing a wolf
Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:32 am I'm tired and sick and distracted for IRL reasons so I won't post by post react but my general sentiment upon reading is that people are putting on tinfoil hats way too quickly after a d1 pelt
Porscha was caught early and went down without a fight. She complained about afks. The mafia team is prolly not in control and likely have at least one if not two passive players in it.
Everyone has different views on who to trust but thats fine. Just look at the people with no compelling reasons to trust them and play a straight poe game. Wagoning people like tutuu is trolling hard
The list is almost entirely wrong but I still love this series of posts and it makes me want to kill Wilgy because the idea is right but the players except Wilgy are just town.
...didn't your previous solve include Pyxxy?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:49 pm My current solve is Wilgy and Camilla. But that’s like a fancy pants threadstate+poe read. Pyxxy is still a possibility but I kinda think that if the wolf team is dead Porscha and non impactful Wilgy, like at what point does Pyxxy drop the gd gimmick? Probably earlier. I know this is easy to fake but still.
Does Porscha say this if I’m right?Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 10:30 pmI dont care if pyxxy dies the most but until wilgy / camilla / falcon make any real posts it's hard to sort the people who are posting
You’re quoting it.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:53 pm...didn't your previous solve include Pyxxy?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:49 pm My current solve is Wilgy and Camilla. But that’s like a fancy pants threadstate+poe read. Pyxxy is still a possibility but I kinda think that if the wolf team is dead Porscha and non impactful Wilgy, like at what point does Pyxxy drop the gd gimmick? Probably earlier. I know this is easy to fake but still.
What happened with it?
Who's more likely?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:54 pmYou’re quoting it.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:53 pm...didn't your previous solve include Pyxxy?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:49 pm My current solve is Wilgy and Camilla. But that’s like a fancy pants threadstate+poe read. Pyxxy is still a possibility but I kinda think that if the wolf team is dead Porscha and non impactful Wilgy, like at what point does Pyxxy drop the gd gimmick? Probably earlier. I know this is easy to fake but still.
What happened with it?
Dunno.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:55 pmWho's more likely?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:54 pmYou’re quoting it.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:53 pm...didn't your previous solve include Pyxxy?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:49 pm My current solve is Wilgy and Camilla. But that’s like a fancy pants threadstate+poe read. Pyxxy is still a possibility but I kinda think that if the wolf team is dead Porscha and non impactful Wilgy, like at what point does Pyxxy drop the gd gimmick? Probably earlier. I know this is easy to fake but still.
What happened with it?
Which team fits better? Me/Pyxxy, Me/Wilgy, or Wilgy/Pyxxy?
LulCamilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.
Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.
What about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:19 pmLulCamilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.
Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.
Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.
Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.
Suspicion on them, as I meant the three ones. Why me over Scotty/Alison since we've basically been roughly in the same tier until Roxy/Scotty began tinfoiling me.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:22 pmWhat about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:19 pmLulCamilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.
Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.
Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.
Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.
There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.
Town/ProbablyTown/TownCamilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:22 pmWhat about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:19 pmLulCamilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.
Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.
Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.
Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.
There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.
I meant that you only became suspicious of me after the threadstate put me in the PoE such as with Scotty and Roxy being paranoid of me.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:27 pmTown/ProbablyTown/TownCamilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:22 pmWhat about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:19 pmLulCamilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.
Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.
Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.
Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.
There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.
I just like fifty posted in a row and you’re accusing me of sheeping the reads others? There’s no others around…
It’s not about tiers. It’s about Scotty and Alison doing things I expect Scotty and Alison to do as townies and of the three of you, you’ve got the wolfiest reactions, specifically towards Roxy when contrasted with Alison and Scotty and towards me when contrasted with Alison.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:24 pmSuspicion on them, as I meant the three ones. Why me over Scotty/Alison since we've basically been roughly in the same tier until Roxy/Scotty began tinfoiling me.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:22 pmWhat about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:19 pmLulCamilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.
Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.
Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.
Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.
There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.
I want you to go deeper here.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:30 pmIt’s not about tiers. It’s about Scotty and Alison doing things I expect Scotty and Alison to do as townies and of the three of you, you’ve got the wolfiest reactions, specifically towards Roxy when contrasted with Alison and Scotty and towards me when contrasted with Alison.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:24 pmSuspicion on them, as I meant the three ones. Why me over Scotty/Alison since we've basically been roughly in the same tier until Roxy/Scotty began tinfoiling me.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:22 pmWhat about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:19 pmLulCamilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.
Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.
Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.
Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.
There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.
Fiddle faddle and rot. Roxy has only posted once today and she was like “I need to sort Jack.” The idea that I waited until Roxy pushed you into the poe is absurd.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:29 pmI meant that you only became suspicious of me after the threadstate put me in the PoE such as with Scotty and Roxy being paranoid of me.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:27 pmTown/ProbablyTown/TownCamilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:22 pmWhat about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:19 pmLulCamilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.
Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.
Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.
Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.
There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.
I just like fifty posted in a row and you’re accusing me of sheeping the reads others? There’s no others around…
Not something that exclusively comes from wolves but yeah.
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:31 pmI want you to go deeper here.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:30 pmIt’s not about tiers. It’s about Scotty and Alison doing things I expect Scotty and Alison to do as townies and of the three of you, you’ve got the wolfiest reactions, specifically towards Roxy when contrasted with Alison and Scotty and towards me when contrasted with Alison.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:24 pmSuspicion on them, as I meant the three ones. Why me over Scotty/Alison since we've basically been roughly in the same tier until Roxy/Scotty began tinfoiling me.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:22 pmWhat about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:19 pmLulCamilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.
Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.
Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.
Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.
There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.
If Scotty/Alison were wolves then how would you really expect them to act?
Are these posts related? Go back and read any of my town games and you'll see that I average like 1 or 2 votes a phase and don't vote until I either am sure of who I want dead or until it's getting near EOD.
so here, I think she is referring to tutuu, her pet clown.
Wasn't the main wagons Pyxxy/Porscha when Wilgy voted? If Pyxxy is a wolf then it kind of doesn't really matter who voted then aside from interactions as in those wagons a wolf would always go over.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:42 pm Now what if pyxxy is good? And let’s go with wilgy as bad.
Why does a bad Wilgy vote for his partner in D1? He had no reads before voting; so he could have easily gone for pyxxy to break the tie.
Two thoughts:
1) he assumed that pyxxy would self preserve and Porscha was going over anyway, so he went for cred
2) Porscha had gotten her pink slip at that point and was in full anti spew, so she told her partner to do his thing for cred
Both could be possible.
The placement of his vote is not as steadfast towny as previously believed
I kind of don't think that D3's vote actually means much in the long run since on D3 it was pretty much guaranteed that falcon would've gone over.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:45 pm If pyxxy is partners with Wilgy, I scratch my head at how Wilgy firmly was in the camp of falcon good, pyxxy bad. I mean, it could just be that falcon was going over regardless so it was just firm-sounding words.
But then he comes into today basically with ‘we need to resolve pyxxy/Scotty, and I think Scotty is good’
Like, what kind of strategy is that from your partner? It’s a bit less believable to me
Yeah, yikes, I think I’m coming around on an angle where I can easily see Wilgy having an agenda, and I’m not as sure with his partner being pyxxy.
[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine
Actually, Wilgy voted for pyxxy in thread about 12 hours ago, but didn’t vote in the poll.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:49 pmI kind of don't think that D3's vote actually means much in the long run since on D3 it was pretty much guaranteed that falcon would've gone over.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:45 pm If pyxxy is partners with Wilgy, I scratch my head at how Wilgy firmly was in the camp of falcon good, pyxxy bad. I mean, it could just be that falcon was going over regardless so it was just firm-sounding words.
But then he comes into today basically with ‘we need to resolve pyxxy/Scotty, and I think Scotty is good’
Like, what kind of strategy is that from your partner? It’s a bit less believable to me
Yeah, yikes, I think I’m coming around on an angle where I can easily see Wilgy having an agenda, and I’m not as sure with his partner being pyxxy.
[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine
Wilgy's posts today have been odd but he also hasn't really tried to push Pyxxy at all as I don't remember him casing or putting a vote on them.
This is what I was wanting Camella to give me.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:37 pm I know Camilla said mafia doesn’t vote for their RB and bounce, but I just painstakingly read through D1 again…this is what I see.
I first voted for pyxxy early.
Porscha ‘parks’ her vote on pyxxy at the 24 hour mark:so here, I think she is referring to tutuu, her pet clown.
Here’s the rub- pyxxy DOES show up and makes posts and reads, and Porscha NEVER mentions pyxxy again, or even interacts with pyxxy. That’s bonkers to me.
Porscha made her last post at 1:20p, almost 4 hours before eod.
At this time, Wilgy had just voted for her a few hours before, in an apparent 3-3 porscha/Wilgy tie, to make it 4-3. Tutuu tied it up again an hour before EoD.
It wasn’t until then that pyxxy showed up to make a flurry of desperate posts, where he ultimately (almost begrudgingly) self preserved onto Porscha.
So in terms of optics:
-Porscha seemingly forgot about her pyxxy vote, or else made a conscious decision not to come back to it, but at the same time, Porscha was in the lead 4-3 when she bounced. If pyxxy is her partner, what difference would voting elsewhere accomplish?
-Wilgy, as his 3rd post and with no reasoning, votes for Porscha. If pyxxy is bad, Wilgy voting for Porscha almost takes away all cred I was giving him for that vote.
This all just further reaffirms that I think pyxxy is bad. And if pyxxy is bad, Wilgy totally fits.
Oof I need to get out of my tunnel. I’m definitely in a tunnel right now and am having trouble not just confbiasing myself
Mmm. Yeah okay.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:45 pm If pyxxy is partners with Wilgy, I scratch my head at how Wilgy firmly was in the camp of falcon good, pyxxy bad. I mean, it could just be that falcon was going over regardless so it was just firm-sounding words.
But then he comes into today basically with ‘we need to resolve pyxxy/Scotty, and I think Scotty is good’
Like, what kind of strategy is that from your partner? It’s a bit less believable to me
Yeah, yikes, I think I’m coming around on an angle where I can easily see Wilgy having an agenda, and I’m not as sure with his partner being pyxxy.
[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:49 pmI kind of don't think that D3's vote actually means much in the long run since on D3 it was pretty much guaranteed that falcon would've gone over.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:45 pm If pyxxy is partners with Wilgy, I scratch my head at how Wilgy firmly was in the camp of falcon good, pyxxy bad. I mean, it could just be that falcon was going over regardless so it was just firm-sounding words.
But then he comes into today basically with ‘we need to resolve pyxxy/Scotty, and I think Scotty is good’
Like, what kind of strategy is that from your partner? It’s a bit less believable to me
Yeah, yikes, I think I’m coming around on an angle where I can easily see Wilgy having an agenda, and I’m not as sure with his partner being pyxxy.
[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine
Wilgy's posts today have been odd but he also hasn't really tried to push Pyxxy at all as I don't remember him casing or putting a vote on them.
I should stop replying to single posts while Scotty goes through and finds new evidence. So now Wilgy and Pyxxy without Camilla is a possibility. Yeah, I’m going over all of this myself tomorrow.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:52 pmActually, Wilgy voted for pyxxy in thread about 12 hours ago, but didn’t vote in the poll.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:49 pmI kind of don't think that D3's vote actually means much in the long run since on D3 it was pretty much guaranteed that falcon would've gone over.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:45 pm If pyxxy is partners with Wilgy, I scratch my head at how Wilgy firmly was in the camp of falcon good, pyxxy bad. I mean, it could just be that falcon was going over regardless so it was just firm-sounding words.
But then he comes into today basically with ‘we need to resolve pyxxy/Scotty, and I think Scotty is good’
Like, what kind of strategy is that from your partner? It’s a bit less believable to me
Yeah, yikes, I think I’m coming around on an angle where I can easily see Wilgy having an agenda, and I’m not as sure with his partner being pyxxy.
[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine
Wilgy's posts today have been odd but he also hasn't really tried to push Pyxxy at all as I don't remember him casing or putting a vote on them.
And gunning for pyxxy is basically all Wilgy has done today
You can’t be out of POE strictly on the basis that your predecessor is fully compatible. Your contributions since are more helpful, but not enough to give me warm fuzzies in my buzziesJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:25 amThis is what I was wanting Camella to give me.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:37 pm I know Camilla said mafia doesn’t vote for their RB and bounce, but I just painstakingly read through D1 again…this is what I see.
I first voted for pyxxy early.
Porscha ‘parks’ her vote on pyxxy at the 24 hour mark:so here, I think she is referring to tutuu, her pet clown.
Here’s the rub- pyxxy DOES show up and makes posts and reads, and Porscha NEVER mentions pyxxy again, or even interacts with pyxxy. That’s bonkers to me.
Porscha made her last post at 1:20p, almost 4 hours before eod.
At this time, Wilgy had just voted for her a few hours before, in an apparent 3-3 porscha/Wilgy tie, to make it 4-3. Tutuu tied it up again an hour before EoD.
It wasn’t until then that pyxxy showed up to make a flurry of desperate posts, where he ultimately (almost begrudgingly) self preserved onto Porscha.
So in terms of optics:
-Porscha seemingly forgot about her pyxxy vote, or else made a conscious decision not to come back to it, but at the same time, Porscha was in the lead 4-3 when she bounced. If pyxxy is her partner, what difference would voting elsewhere accomplish?
-Wilgy, as his 3rd post and with no reasoning, votes for Porscha. If pyxxy is bad, Wilgy voting for Porscha almost takes away all cred I was giving him for that vote.
This all just further reaffirms that I think pyxxy is bad. And if pyxxy is bad, Wilgy totally fits.
Oof I need to get out of my tunnel. I’m definitely in a tunnel right now and am having trouble not just confbiasing myself
Wilgy/Pyxxy/Camilla is a winning poe.
And I won’t be voting until I take another look at all three of them individually. If you think that makes me more likely wolves with one of them, I can live with that too.
why does wolf wilgy flip the coin on his partner winning the dome instead of going "maybe it's not pyx/scotty" to widen the poe like everyone else was?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:16 pmHmm. But if I believe my townreads, the solve is Wilgy and one of Scotty/Pyxxy.
And indeed, Alison and Camilla voting Wilgy so (granted, it’s easy for Camilla to switch and winnable for her to bus Wilgy) surely not Alison/Wilgy and less likely to be Camilla/Wilgy.
So is Alison right about w!Wilgy but wrong about Wilgy being antialigned w/Scotty/Pyxxy (requires Wilgy to endgame alone, kinda unlikely, or to assume his partner wins the thunderdome…probably exactly Scotty)?
Or is Alison wrong on Wilgy? And if she’s wrong on Wilgy, what other team even makes sense? A reevaluation on Alison/Camilla necessary if Wilgy is town because I’m town, Roxy is town and Scotty and Pyxxy has max 1 wolf. Literally nowhere else for a wolf to exist. (Also, this line of thinking really leans into Wilgy+Jack world from t!Alison’s pov but it can’t be helped.)