The Syndicate

I am voting for Eloh. If anyone would like me to explain my vote further, let me know, I'd love to.

Golden wrote: Hmm, and interesting, DH makes a big case on elo and LC being teammates. Proving LC is civilian by NKing him might be a good way to take heat off elo, so perhaps she is bad.

This is what makes me think you are bad, Elo. Not the missed vote.

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Actually screw it, I'll explain my Eloh suspicion right now before I go back to watching Netflix:

I suspect Eloh for her cheap cop out suspicion of TH. TH, it seems clear to me, is not a threat to the civs at this or any point. But by continuing to vote for him, Eloh avoids having to come up with any real suspects.

I suspect Eloh based on how the MP lynch went. She broke from her TH vote in order to vote for Llama and bring MP closer to being saved.

And she was very subtly vouched for/defended by Hedge's "I think that the non-voters list contains mostly inactive civs rather than baddies" remarks. Hedge being another llama voter.

I just realised I have no guarantee of being back to this game before the poll closes (anniversary today), so I'm voting Eloh now.

3

DharmaHelper wrote:Actually screw it, I'll explain my Eloh suspicion right now before I go back to watching Netflix:

I suspect Eloh for her cheap cop out suspicion of TH. TH, it seems clear to me, is not a threat to the civs at this or any point. But by continuing to vote for him, Eloh avoids having to come up with any real suspects.

I suspect Eloh based on how the MP lynch went. She broke from her TH vote in order to vote for Llama and bring MP closer to being saved.

And she was very subtly vouched for/defended by Hedge's "I think that the non-voters list contains mostly inactive civs rather than baddies" remarks. Hedge being another llama voter.

This is an example of a civilian with a horrible voting record. It does happen.

Golden wrote:I just realised I have no guarantee of being back to this game before the poll closes (anniversary today), so I'm voting Eloh now.

3

Congrats! How many years?

3

Epignosis wrote:Who voted out Long Con?

Poll ended at Thu May 28, 2015 6:40 pm

DharmaHelper
0
No votes

DREAM
0
No votes

Elohcin
0
No votes

fingersplints
0
No votes

Golden
0
No votes

Hedgeowl
2
Golden (10), fingersplints (13)
14%

MetalMarsh89
0
No votes

Missing Person
1
DREAM (11)
7%

MovingPictures07
5
TinyBubbles (3), Missing Person (4), DharmaHelper (6), Neverwhere (7), thellama73 (8)
36%

Neverwhere
0
No votes

thellama73
4
MovingPictures07 (5), Metalmarsh89 (9), Elohcin (12), Hedgeowl (14)
29%

TinyBubbles
0
No votes

Turnip Head
0
No votes

Richard Pryor (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
2
Epignosis (1), Heiots (2)
14%


Total votes : 14

We are in better shape than I thought we would be at this point. 7-8 civs or 1 indy and 3 mafia gives one a little hope.

These are the people who didn't vote for MP:

Golden (10), fingersplints (13) DREAM (11) Metalmarsh89 (9), Elohcin (12), Hedgeowl (14)

While I think it possible that one of his teammates voted for him, it certainly wasn't llama. Therefore this group looks the most interesting to me for possible baddie suspects. Of this group, I think it most likely that Elo and MM are not the civviest. While I am in the group, I of course know my role and can eliminate myself, whereas the rest of you cant so much. Also TH missed the vote it looks like. Did I miss anyone else?

It seems like people particularly suspect Elo and I'd be willing to vote her or MM, but need to reread her first.

Elohcin wrote:Sorry I have been MIA all day. I literally have not been on the internet until now. Dr./dentist appts with kids today, working on a wedding cake, realizing I need more butter to make more frosting for the wedding cake, going shopping for butter and end up spending an hour at the store, etc. But, I am here now. And I have to say, I cannot believe I never actually voted in yesterday's poll. I said I would, I thought I did, but I was informed by my husband (after day was over) that I missed the vote. I was shocked. Anyway.....DH says this:

DharmaHelper wrote:My eye is firmly planted on Eloh for today's lynch, for simultaneously warning us that lynching non-contributors would be bad, and then voting for TH, a non-contributor.

First of all, I never said that we ought not lynch quiet players. I said that its not always wise to do so b/c oftentimes quiet players are civ that just don't care to play. It's annoying, but true. I know TH. TH is not a quiet player on the norm. I see a quiet TH as a baddie. SECOND, I never even vote :P HA.

Golden wrote:
I was reading Elo as civ for the first time ever . and then she didn't vote...

I think it was a technical error. I thought I voted.

So, for today. oddly enough, I read MovingPictures as civ this game which is weird b/c I usually think he is bad. I still think TH is probably bad and I am thinking llama is as well. I am voting llama today as not to spread the votes any further. And I am going to double check that my vote goes through.

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This last statement of yours Elo, doesnt read as well to me based on the lynch result. (Although I totally believe you on the vote mistake, cause been there done that in Epi's games before. )

DharmaHelper wrote:Actually screw it, I'll explain my Eloh suspicion right now before I go back to watching Netflix:

I suspect Eloh for her cheap cop out suspicion of TH. TH, it seems clear to me, is not a threat to the civs at this or any point. But by continuing to vote for him, Eloh avoids having to come up with any real suspects.

I suspect Eloh based on how the MP lynch went. She broke from her TH vote in order to vote for Llama and bring MP closer to being saved.

And she was very subtly vouched for/defended by Hedge's "I think that the non-voters list contains mostly inactive civs rather than baddies" remarks. Hedge being another llama voter.

Not subtly vouched for at all. Based on Elo's own statement, whether you believe it or not, she thought she voted and she posted 4 times on Day 2 unlike the rest of non-voters. Puts her into the other category for me of active voters and back into the category of likely baddies. I'll revise my list for you.

Day 2 voters:
MP - baddie
MM
TH
Golden
Missing P - voted MP Day 3
Neverwhere - voted MP Day 3
DH - voted MP Day 3
Llama - dead
Elohcin - Upgraded, because she claims she tried to vote and posted 4 times.

No votes or posts on Day 2:

DREAM
fingersplints
Hedgeowl
TinyBubbles - voted MP Day 3

From the group of non- MP voters we have MM, TH, Golden (Day 2 voters) Elo, DREAM, splintsy, and me. I think it likely in the group that MM, Elo are baddies leaving possibly DREAM, splints, and maybe Golden as the last baddie.

Of the votes for me by Golden and splints, splints felt the most off so to speak, like throwing in the towel since MP was going down.

My suspect order would be this about now:
Elo
MM
Splints
DREAM
Golden
TH

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Whoa look, Golden and I are still alive on Day 4.

I'm gonna go take a shower, then I will come catch up and stuff. This is only my first shower today.

Wow, only a few new posts today. I guess I'm going to have to start participating.

Sorry for my delayed posting friends. I ditched mafia and got my drink on.

I was having a tough time reading Elo, she didn't really stand out to me all that much in what she said but I do find her voting history weird. I really don't get peoples suspicions against TH. He doesn't really seem like a threat to us civvies but she consistently voted for him till the last vote. Did she vote llama to save MP07? Also, llama gets close vote with MP and then winds up dead the next day after proving to be a pretty aggressive player n his hunt for the mafia. I Wonder if he was getting close and she wanted to shut him up.

Some of my other suspects voted for MP. It's possible that one of his team mates voted for him, but this throws some of my suspicions, so I'm gonna have to rethink that.

I got sidetracked by things last night.

I'll try to have all my reads and my vote in by the deadline. Post incoming.



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DHARMAHELPER

Day 1

DH begins the day by stating that this game will play "counter to my usual strengths", and reaffirms that opinion later on by saying "my usual baddie-hunting style would be cut off at the knees". But that still didn't stop him from an opposing comment in his opening post "I have a few ideas and strategies in order to try and catch mafia", in addition to multiple suspicions throughout the day. DH only mentioned trust of one player on Day 1, and that was Golden for putting a lot of effort into his meta-read post.

DH also contributed the Green X tactic so players can verify how many posts everyone has at a certain point.

Suspicions:
Ricochet - for not contributing
Metalmarsh89 - not liking what "I am up to", and I need to "get a grip"
MovingPictures07 - for asking a question, which in turn would elicit an answer (and a post)
ika - for offering odd contributions
Elohcin - a very late one coupled with his vote for "the TH case"

Day 2

DH takes a stab at Long Con for his sarcastic post. He then offers a stronger explanation for his Elohcin vote, and mentions that he still thinks Golden is civ. DH later on backs off of Long Con after reading his explanation. But finally, DH reestablishes his suspicion of LC, and also of Elohcin in his last post of Day 2.

Suspicions:
Elohcin
Long Con

Day 3

DH begins with a pseudo-apology to LC after he was nightkilled, but immediately goes after Elohcin, and lists several other players who have pinged him (included below). The one thing that bothered me this day was his detached interaction with Turnip Head. In the very same post, DH suspects TinyBubbles for being a low-flying player and for opportune voting, but lets TH skate by with his admitted uninvolvement. This I don't get. The reason it stands out to me is because DH has been on-topic and very active in his hunting, and this one joke doesn't fit logically, based on what I said before.

Suspicions:
MovingPictures07
Elohcin
Hedgeowl
TinyBubbles

Day 4

Not much happening here. One post voting for Elohcin, and another explaining his vote.

DH also says that "TH is not a threat to the civs". Excuse me, but I don't think that has been proven at all.

Suspicions:
Elohcin

Votes

Day 1 - Elohcin
Day 2 - Long Con (nightkilled Night 2)
Day 3 - MovingPictures07 (lynched Day 3 - mafia)
Day 4 - Elohcin

My Thoughts

For the most part, I like what DH is doing. However, his opinions on TH are pretty sketchy. If Elohcin is lynched and flips civilian, DH and TH are the first two I'm looking at.



DREAM

Day 1

No reply at all.

Day 2

No reply at all.

Day 3

DREAM finally checks in. DREAM questions TH, llama, and supports ika's suspicion of Missing Person. DREAM ends the day voting for Missing Person.

Suspicions:
Missing Person

Day 4

No reply at all.

Votes

Day 3 - Missing Person

My Thoughts

I don't really know what to say. Day 3 for us was essentially Day 1 for DREAM, so giving her(?) another day to settle down would be nice, but she hasn't even posted today.



TURNIP HEAD

Day 1

Comes in with a joking post, then ends up voting for DH by the day's end after not stating any opinions on anything.

Suspicions:
None

Day 2

Doesn't post much, and when he does, it's not on topic.

Suspicions:
None

Day 3

TH acknowledges that he has not taken this game seriously, and suggests that we pretend he's on the sideline. And that is the only post he made this day.

Suspicions:
None

Day 4

TH comments on llama's death, says we should only lynch him if we want to lynch a vanilla civ, and he suspects us all equally.

Suspicions:
Everyone equally

Votes

Day 1 - Dharmahelper
Day 2 - Metalmarsh89
Day 3 - Missed
Day 4 - Missed

My Thoughts

These are quick thoughts so I can get this post published. I think he is bad.

I voted for TH.

Those are the only three players I had time for, but I will finish up tomorrow.

Who goofed?

Poll ended at Sat May 30, 2015 11:20 am

DharmaHelper
0
No votes

DREAM
0
No votes

Elohcin
4
DharmaHelper (4), Golden (5), Missing Person (7), Neverwhere (9)
40%

fingersplints
0
No votes

Golden
0
No votes

Hedgeowl
0
No votes

MetalMarsh89
0
No votes

Missing Person
0
No votes

Neverwhere
0
No votes

TinyBubbles
0
No votes

Turnip Head
3
Elohcin (3), TinyBubbles (8), Metalmarsh89 (10)
30%

Red Foxx (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
3
Epignosis (1), MovingPictures07 (2), ika (6)
30%


Total votes : 10

Ah, sorry for missing the vote again? I am not on top of these changing polls times clearly and was out of cell range this morning. I would have voted Elo most likely so no credit there. Sorry to see you go Elo!

MM I will read through your cases more thoroughly, but I had been feeling pretty good about DH. I don't know how I feel exactly now that Elo flipped civ, but he is still not at the top of my list.

I am not surprised about MP2 either, it's like they are talking out the active talking civs, who might influence the game strongly.

DREAM wrote:I'm going to vote for missing person. I'm hesitant to vote for moving pictures because it seems like a bandwagon at top speed.

I'm beginning to wonder if maybe we have DREAM pegged wrong. Maybe hiding in silence is just a good tactic. MPs was mafia and DREAM tried to change peoples minds about voting for him calling it bandwagon.

RIP Missing - from what I see if you in this game I'm looking forward to seeing more of you in a bigger game.

Where I'm at after this lynch:

Feeling quite good about:

Neverwhere
TB (my original reason for suspicion no longer bothers me).
MM (although why should I when we are both still around on day 5???)
myself

Still feeling pretty ok about

DH

That leaves

splints
DREAM
Hedge
TH

Still probably intend to vote hedge today, unless something happens to change my mind.

Elo - 3rd wedding anniversary. Technically it's Tuesday, but we are using the weekend to do the celebrating.

@Neverwhere - an interesting point. DREAM didn't exactly help stop the bandwagon with her vote on Missing Person, either, did she. (oh dear, I accidentally spoonerised Missing's name the first time I typed it )

1

told ya

Missing Person. I hope you play more games here it was fun to see you play instead of just deal with the drama haha

I'm going to have to vote early tomorrow or something. I feel like shit for how many votes I've missed but I keep messing up the time. I would have voted hedgeowl again

1

I think Hedgeowl could be bad, but Golden could definitely be bad as well. I could see MM being bad. splintsy is off my radar completely, which probably means she's bad too. Also I wouldn't be surprised if DH was bad. I don't know the rest of you.

This breakdown by MetalMarsh has been very instrumental in having me lean towards DharmaHelper possibly being a baddie, if not the indy. TBQH, after LC was NK'd my suspicions of DH went up a bit, but there is something about the NKs that is bothering me, too. I just can't pinpoint what it is..

Neverwhere wrote:

DREAM wrote:I'm going to vote for missing person. I'm hesitant to vote for moving pictures because it seems like a bandwagon at top speed.

I'm beginning to wonder if maybe we have DREAM pegged wrong. Maybe hiding in silence is just a good tactic. MPs was mafia and DREAM tried to change peoples minds about voting for him calling it bandwagon.

My only suspicion was Missing Person but that was more in reaction to him saying he would vote for me, which isn't really a good reason but that is what I had at that time. I hadn't read the all of the arguments so I really didn't know what was going on with Moving Pictures and it seemed the votes piled on too quickly. And at the rate civvies were getting lynched I was afraid that he was gonna be a civvie and I wanted my hands clean of it. I mostly wanted to make sure all y'all know that my silence isn't a "tactic" it's just poor real-life time management.

I'm actually going to vote tonight before I hit the town, but I want to think about it a bit before I do. Be back after I get all gussied up

What if DREAM is bad?

What do we do eith baddies MM?

with*

This is the Syndicate, so we usually let them win.

Turnip Head wrote:What if DREAM is bad?

What if you're bad?

DREAM wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:What if DREAM is bad?

What if you're bad?

I don't know.

I've been rereading and what I thought to be suspicious about DH isn't really all that suspicious to me. The general tone of his posts make me think of someone who is eager to play and get things going. So with DH not high on my list, I had to look elsewhere.

The first place I looked was with hedgeowl This post really stood out to me and helped me understand others dfound her suspicious. I feel like voting this way wouldn't be wasted.

I then checked out splints, it seems that she suspected hedgeowl the majority of the game, and I share in her suspicions at this point therefore she will not be getting a vote from me.

Then there's Turnip Head who first pinged me earlier in the game with the talk of sidelines then there's this post which feels eerily similar to this post. I don't know if I'll be voting for you because I wouldn't be eyeing you if it weren't for your vote for me to begin with.

Not sure about everyone else just yet, I suspect you as much as I trust you.

I'm sorry I haven't been around to contribute today. I think Neverwhere's post about Dreamy was good, so I'm going there.

I've been really busy today and now 'm headed out for the day. I don't want to miss the vote, so I'll get it in early and go with DREAM.

This DREAM thing is freaking me out. Suddenly TH starts playing and his first act is to start a bandwagon with really shaky wheels? :P I am more confident in my Hedge suspicion, but we'll see how the votes fall.

Also, that cheeky MM/TH exchange has my attention.

I don't really understand the case on dreamy, so I am going to stick with a hedgeowl vote. I want to vote now so I don't miss it

DH, you are absolutely right to be freaking out by this bandwagon!!! This is nothing but baddies trying to clear the playing field, I'm using my last post to defend myself here. All of those who are voting for me are absolutely wrong and if I get lynched I implore the rest of the civvies to look at those that are piling on votes. For example, TinyBubbles, where the heck did they come from with that drive-by? Definitely look at TH though, he started this with little to nothing and talked all of his teammates into voting for another civvie...As hesitant as I was to do a revenge vote, the more that I feel like a vote for TH is definitely a vote for a baddie. I will vote right when I get back from the store.

Voting for Hedgeowl.

In my defense I had no idea I was starting a bandwagon.

splintsy's vote looks bad, because it ensured that no one but DREAM will be lynched (excepting me posting too much and accruing extra votes) despite the fact that she does not see the case on DREAM.

DREAM if you vote for me it will be a tie because of my punishment votes!

linki: DH y u not vote for me to save DREAM

Turnip Head wrote:In my defense I had no idea I was starting a bandwagon.

splintsy's vote looks bad, because it ensured that no one but DREAM will be lynched (excepting me posting too much and accruing extra votes) despite the fact that she does not see the case on DREAM.

DREAM if you vote for me it will be a tie because of my punishment votes!

linki: DH y u not vote for me to save DREAM

It wouldn't have saved Dream

Also, bullshit you "didn't realize" you were starting a bandwagon.

I just voted for DREAM, which was not my intention today, but with 2 votes on me it was the safer choice. My choice would be MM or splint today based on their votes avoiding MP's lynch. (Yes, I fall into this category too, but if I were a baddie and voted as late as I did I would have voted MP, cause he was doomed already. I've done it before and so have many here.)

Splints, I don't understand your reasons for voting me this game. Could someone make a case at least?

And TH, what is up my man? Your posts are funny, but not building any cases. Get it the game.

It is now my solemn duty to sacrifice myself for DREAM

Live long and prosper, DREAM...

Hedgeowl wrote:I just voted for DREAM, which was not my intention today, but with 2 votes on me it was the safer choice. My choice would be MM or splint today based on their votes avoiding MP's lynch. (Yes, I fall into this category too, but if I were a baddie and voted as late as I did I would have voted MP, cause he was doomed already. I've done it before and so have many here.)

Splints, I don't understand your reasons for voting me this game. Could someone make a case at least?

And TH, what is up my man? Your posts are funny, but not building any cases. Get it the game.

You're doing it again today! Avoiding the lynch wagon!

But so did I. I think TH is the reall baddie. And it doesn't feel like a proper mafia game if I don't go after Turnip Head and vote him at least once.

voted hedgeowl because of what I had posted earlier. It;s officially time for my wake and bake and then some eggs and spam!

Turnip Head wrote:In my defense I had no idea I was starting a bandwagon.

splintsy's vote looks bad, because it ensured that no one but DREAM will be lynched (excepting me posting too much and accruing extra votes) despite the fact that she does not see the case on DREAM.

DREAM if you vote for me it will be a tie because of my punishment votes!

linki: DH y u not vote for me to save DREAM

The only person I could have voted to save dream was you, since you have a vote. Would you have rather been lynched? I don't know that dream is a civvie so I don't want to vote someone just to save her. I'd rather vote for someone I actually suspect.

DREAM wrote:voted hedgeowl because of what I had posted earlier. It;s officially time for my wake and bake and then some eggs and spam!

If you had voted for me you might still be alive to DREAM another night

As a fellow wake and baker, I don't think you're bad anymore DREAM. Self destructing in 3, 2...

Hedgeowl wrote:I just voted for DREAM, which was not my intention today, but with 2 votes on me it was the safer choice. My choice would be MM or splint today based on their votes avoiding MP's lynch. (Yes, I fall into this category too, but if I were a baddie and voted as late as I did I would have voted MP, cause he was doomed already. I've done it before and so have many here.)

Splints, I don't understand your reasons for voting me this game. Could someone make a case at least?

And TH, what is up my man? Your posts are funny, but not building any cases. Get it the game.

Your earlier posts seem over careful and vague in your suspicions. When I commented on that, you didn't say anything back, so that caught my eye more. Like you were hoping it would be dropped. Llama was killed. You also did not vote MP.

I realize it isn't a lot, but with such a low quantity of posts this game it's all I got.

And it looks like everyone voted... . Now my advice to the remaining civvies: Note the ones who voted for me without an explanation and turned this into a bloody sunday for Me.

splints have you always been in the UK or is this recent as of the past couple of years?

fingersplints wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:I just voted for DREAM, which was not my intention today, but with 2 votes on me it was the safer choice. My choice would be MM or splint today based on their votes avoiding MP's lynch. (Yes, I fall into this category too, but if I were a baddie and voted as late as I did I would have voted MP, cause he was doomed already. I've done it before and so have many here.)

Splints, I don't understand your reasons for voting me this game. Could someone make a case at least?

And TH, what is up my man? Your posts are funny, but not building any cases. Get it the game.

Your earlier posts seem over careful and vague in your suspicions. When I commented on that, you didn't say anything back, so that caught my eye more. Like you were hoping it would be dropped. Llama was killed. You also did not vote MP.

I realize it isn't a lot, but with such a low quantity of posts this game it's all I got.

After I'm gone, please lynch Hedgeowl.

Turnip Head wrote:

DREAM wrote:voted hedgeowl because of what I had posted earlier. It;s officially time for my wake and bake and then some eggs and spam!

If you had voted for me you might still be alive to DREAM another night

As a fellow wake and baker, I don't think you're bad anymore DREAM. Self destructing in 3, 2...

*wake and bake high five*