The Syndicate

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:09 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:08 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:04 pm Sooooo if I’m reading it right, Rupert’s money is responsible for the killing? So can they choose not to kill?

Probably. My interpretation is that they have to purchase kills (implying they can decline to do so), and that while Rupert is alive he is the only one that can kill. Then once he goes, any of the others can kill.

Important for any investigative roles out there to think about (i.e., tracker/watcher).

I didn't think about him being the only person who can kill, but that makes sense. That makes it much more important for Rupert to avoid sus than the other mafia and he might act differently because of that pressure. Kind of reminds me of John Doe in se7en where that role was important so SVS had pressure to go deep with it.

This was my thought but I was kinda sorta hoping to identify that trait later on in the day without influencing gameplay. But that’s fine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:15 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:09 pm I didn't think about him being the only person who can kill, but that makes sense. That makes it much more important for Rupert to avoid sus than the other mafia and he might act differently because of that pressure. Kind of reminds me of John Doe in se7en where that role was important so SVS had pressure to go deep with it.

Perhaps so. I'm not entirely sure the role is that important since they retain their kill without it. It's just the early killer (if that interpretation is accurate). I just noted that town doesn't seem to have any night actions that would interact directly with a killing mafia member other than an even night role blocker (no tracker or watcher). We have protections, but they don't mean anything with respect to who is killing. It might not matter than much, and it appears that it means close to nothing on Night 1. I could be overlooking something.

From my understanding, the Rupert role is the designated power of attorney, and if he dies, mafia lose the ability to cop and elim save.

Sounds pretty important to me

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:51 am @Robyn How's the weather been?

good, a bit hot once you showed up

also remember that thing we talked about in dms, that you should actually do this game

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:53 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:51 am @Robyn How's the weather been?

good, a bit hot once you showed up

also remember that thing we talked about in dms, that you should actually do this game

Oh, you hope I'm naughty and don't do that?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:56 am

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:53 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:51 am @Robyn How's the weather been?

good, a bit hot once you showed up

also remember that thing we talked about in dms, that you should actually do this game

Oh, you hope I'm naughty and don't do that?

i reminded you to do that because i knew that you were experiencing dementia, and i hoped you didn't do that thing

okay i just have to ask @LoRab do you fear god?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:23 pm Scotty is town. Oozing when you read his ISO. Helpful, redundantly helpful, which looks honest.



HA HA HA H AHA AHAHSHAHAHSGSGHAGHAGH I'm not repeating this from that other game though. "Scotty good, S~V~S bad!" I was half-right. But I'll have nightmares if I do it again. I'm flipping all my reads on Day 4, and I'm literally not joking.

I’m curious- why did you townread me for so long in the last game? I can’t tell if you’re actually serious in this read.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:32 pm Hey there, folks. I’ll be your co-host in cahoots with fingersplints. Remember we’re playing football, not football, so no rough stuff, okay?

Good luck and have fun, y’all.

Careful, don’t claim host, you might get a red card

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

Go drunk, LC, you’re home

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:35 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:28 am I assumed the swear jar was a joke, but I could be wrong!

I mean, it could be....but it seems weird to phrase it that way in the roles if it isn't important. If a civ curses, do we give money to Giles (sorry, Rupert)? Or do we take money away from him? Seems like it would be prudent to not risk giving mafia more power, and keep our language clean.

Also, hi, to all!! And, I'm Lorab :Lorab: for those I don't know. I'm an old timer, and have been convinced to come back, lol. Important thing to know is that I have a super quirky schedule, and many times that are great for everyone else are, well, not great for me. So, I'm sometimes MIA. The RAB in my screen name stands for Rabbi--and yes, I actually am. And, that means that weekends are weird. Just so you know.

For what it's worth, I'm reading LC as civ. And I mostly agree with him. Weird. I also thing J3 is probably civ, although keeping a note in my mind that he might just be acting aggressively civ to avoid suspicion, but I'm not feeling that at least for the moment.

So nice to have you back LoRab!

In case others don’t know, this emoji is hers.

This is mine

JJJ is firmly a neutral town lean- he’s adding to discussion so he is a boon to town atm regardless
LC is not quite on my town radar yet. Lean scum

Is it too early to ask everyone for their top three town reads?

No, of course not. Let’s go ahead an box in the mafia.

bereft/rabbi/me

Robyn, Cape90, J^3, Darling Monroe, LoRab

The standard fare, of course.

I might go with Scotty, Bereft, and LoRab.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:07 am Is it too early to ask everyone for their top three town reads?

No, of course not. Let’s go ahead an box in the mafia.

oh, i understand, keep it up

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

But this is an unhinged towny post

bereft
loreb
jjj
monroe
long con

scotty

null

thunal

Posts that seem town
Scotty

Posts that seem town -1
Bereft
LoRab

My instinct says town
DarlingMonroe
Cape90
robyn

--- Where my POE pool currently resides (two more town reads needed for mathematically viable POE) ---

My read is town, but something within me tells me to stand with caution
Long Con

There are no posts yet
DrWilgy
RondoDimBuckle
Michelle
Seanzie
ts account
Princess Abigail

There are posts, but I don't feel anything so far
S~V~S
Thunal33

wait fuck i don't have cape, full disclosure i just read [read skimmed] like the first 20 posts out of the first 100, basically forgot he posted and lol, i had to go back and read monroe's posts when schweppes prompted me

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:42 am I'm too lazy to check, but does anyone have an actual take on J^3?

Do you? All I’m finding is “I don’t find that logic overwrought from J3”

Is that a town read?

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:22 am wait fuck i don't have cape, full disclosure i just read [read skimmed] like the first 20 posts out of the first 100, basically forgot he posted and lol, i had to go back and read monroe's posts when schweppes prompted me

Cape is worth sorting early. There's already a bit of a clash between tone (a bit stilted) and action (pro-town). I currently favor the latter.

Literally falling asleep and need to close the laptop before I wake up with keyboard indents on my face.

I'm still getting to know the people with whom I haven't played (or, if played once or twice, don't have a concept of how they play).

LC, I'm very much reading as civ.

J3, as well. Way too much work to go into that much detail, for it to be fake. Also, mafia often posts less than civs--because it's harder to know what to say. And also (and maybe mores) because they are spending time chatting in BTSC, and can engage in the game without posting.

Scotty reads entirely civ to me. Even though he needs to stop padding his post count. That always makes me suspish of people, although I know that isn't a tell for you. But I'm reading you as civ other than that.

I'm intrigued by Robyn. They are totally engaging with me as new to this site (to newer players). And also don't have context to read them (if we have ever played together, I need a reminder of what game).

The back and forth between Robyn and Bereft is also odd to me. Is this typical of them? I'm not suspecting them for this, but it's reading as off to me (this could also be a culture thing that developed since I was last here, so really earnestly asking).

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:59 am okay i just have to ask @LoRab do you fear god?

I feel like you're referencing something and I have no idea what. Or is this actually a theological question? Help! I'm way too tired to think about this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:07 am Is it too early to ask everyone for their top three town reads?

No, of course not. Let’s go ahead an box in the mafia.

I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

#168

Yea, what J^3 said. I may as well state plainly that he has my full vote of confidence and it feels almost as if I'm not particularly going to be needed much today.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:22 am wait fuck i don't have cape, full disclosure i just read [read skimmed] like the first 20 posts out of the first 100, basically forgot he posted and lol, i had to go back and read monroe's posts when schweppes prompted me

Cape is worth sorting early. There's already a bit of a clash between tone (a bit stilted) and action (pro-town). I currently favor the latter.

i have a god read on cape, i refuse to read the first 100 posts out of some contrived reasoning that boils down to, not enough content especially when thunal's iso is almost entirely filler

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am theological question

this and personal opinion

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am I'm intrigued by Robyn. They are totally engaging with me as new to this site (to newer players). And also don't have context to read them (if we have ever played together, I need a reminder of what game).

we've not played before

Robyn amd Bereft are non-Syndicate natives who have a nasty habit of speaking in tongues.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:16 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

But this is an unhinged towny post

OK, but really. Baddie LC doesn't let himself post silly/drunkish comments.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:25 am #168

Yea, what J^3 said. I may as well state plainly that he has my full vote of confidence and it feels almost as if I'm not particularly going to be needed much today.

I have need of you, Bereft, at least to the extent that you feel like it. I have blind spots, and I suspect your subdued mode of play will leave you well-positioned to help me cover them.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

I won't tell you what happened to my read of you when I saw this.

@Bereft jjj is right, you don't have permission to do fuck all, that's literally what we talked about in dms

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:28 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:25 am #168

Yea, what J^3 said. I may as well state plainly that he has my full vote of confidence and it feels almost as if I'm not particularly going to be needed much today.

I have need of you, Bereft, at least to the extent that you feel like it. I have blind spots, and I suspect your subdued mode of play will leave you well-positioned to help me cover them.

No need to reassure.

At this rate the mafia will have no oxygen by post #300. Keep it up, everyone.

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:32 am @Bereft jjj is right, you don't have permission to do fuck all, that's literally what we talked about in dms

I would make a mom joke at this point, but you'd know better than me about how to.

Anyways, I think I'm calling quits for now. Was really quite pleasant, so thanks for that y'all.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:37 am

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:32 am @Bereft jjj is right, you don't have permission to do fuck all, that's literally what we talked about in dms

I would make a mom joke at this point, but you'd know better than me about how to.

Anyways, I think I'm calling quits for now. Was really quite pleasant, so thanks for that y'all.

sleep well babe

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:30 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

I won't tell you what happened to my read of you when I saw this.

I'm not sure I want to know. So, I guess we're even

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:54 pm When I am finished administering finals today, I will eat this thread for lunch.

Nom nom nom

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:18 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:33 pm Rules:

No fouls and misconduct. (Treat your other players with respect.)
No offsides. (No role claiming or info dumping.) This means NO posting your role. NO hinting. NO f***ing false claiming. (£1 to Phoebe) Not even the most subtle of f***ing hints (£2). NO dropping of your info in the thread; Make a f***ing case. (£3)
It ain't easy to explain, but you know when you see it.

Breaking these rules or disrespecting your referees (hosts) may result in a RED CARD (elimination).

(Phoebe’s swear jar: £3 total)

Can someone say more about the swear jar? Or speculate, if the hosts won't tell us?

I was just trying to incorporate some flavour. Sorry for any confusion it caused!

Although if anyone wants to pay me real £ for swearing, I am willing to entertain it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:03 pm Some setup notes to be aware of moving forward:

The numbers ratio established in the OP is 12 vs. 4. This is a difficult but not unmanageable arrangement for town, particularly without the benefit of public role reveals.

If the game proceeds at a normal pace (one day elimination and one night kill per cycle), town only gets three mistakes before they reach an endgame phase. Town also boasts one kill (through the Dani Rojas role), but that kill alone would not change this number. It's still three mistakes maximum, and the mafia have two manners of kill protection available to them anyway.

The only way that number changes is with multiple night kill protections and/or a protection plus a kill (I think that works out).

With that in mind, we should just operate under the assumption at present that we are only allowed to make three mistakes. That is not very many. So we are going to have to play hard as a town team to overcome that. It can be done, but it will require concerted desire from everyone to make it so. So let's do that. The best weapon town possesses in a game like this is its ability to talk during the day phase, and so talk we must. Inactivity is more damaging in this setup than it would be in other setups. Mafia already boast a considerable voting block, and we must avoid helping them by unnecessarily splitting our votes or by leaving our votes off the board. These things routinely lose games, and they are unforced errors. We can avoid them if we are conscious of it and communicate effectively.

"Stop telling me how to play, Jay."

I appreciate everyone's right to do their thing, and I hope that's exactly what you do. Play however you like! I just want to emphasize that we begin this game in a difficult position, and that will not change for the better unless we cooperate.

LAMIST:p

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:26 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:24 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:22 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:20 pm Hi guys! I wasn't expecting role madness but this seems like a cool game.

Hi Thunal! Your avatar has the same tattoo as my first BG3 guardian.

My first BG3 guardian had it too. So you've played it multiple times? I finished it once and it was great, then I started a couple more attempts but fizzled out.

I completed about 1.9 playthroughs and also fizzled out, at least temporarily. That's a Larian staple in my experience (I had similar experiences with Divinity OS2).

I still haven't beat either divinity though thinking about playing through them here

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Probably. We tend to circle, and in the last game we played, I was bad and railroaded him hideously. I would be surprised if he wasn't somewhat paranoid of me. I haven't read why he susses me yet, I'm answering my @'s first.

Watching your game, I figured out what triggers me about him, he has an almost theatricality about him, that I view as acting to an extent, and to me acting = (in a Mafia game) fake = bad. So I was kinda interested to see what our dynamic was here.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:09 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:06 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:44 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:40 pm 'Been a prosperous Tuesday, ye.

Surprised to see you in a game.

Bless. And I am surprised too. JaggedJimmyJay is a memory of the Mafia world, an old pile of bones with a plaque situated in front of them recounting great deeds lost to history, interesting only to the most bored passers-by at The Syndicate Museum of Mafia.

You kicked towns ass in Epis Don't Starve game, so I would think there's probably some life left in those bones yet.

@DarlingMonroe back in the day, if we had info, we took it and used it as a starting point to build a case, not unlike a murder mystery. Building the case isn't hard once you know a person is bad, it's easy to find the bread crumbs. What's hard is getting other people to listen to you.

Linki @Jay, see you're looking pretty alive to me.

I see you already made the points I made

Yeah, that's why reading is fundamental.

Saying "Jay is Jaying" is a pretty basic thing to say. Do you think he's playing like that game?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:19 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:15 pm I was wondering why Thunal had the votes, but then I went through his ISO...



Got'im!

But I wasn't invested in it because I'm a good townie in BG3 too.

I always play rpgs as if I'm myself and always end up skirting the line of good like I'm more good than bad but I usually end up like... slightly good lol

Wow I feel... absolutely nothing at all

That's scarey

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

Humoring Jay? Nah. I kinda thought I was shading him a slight bit, tbh, with the call back to the game where he was bad.

How would saying jay fooled everyone as a baddie in a game, and pointing out that he was contradicting himself by being super active be "humoring" him? Poking someone with a small, soft stick =/= humoring.

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:42 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:10 pm @robyn @Bereft why are you voting me?

Also which one of you voted first?

because he voted you, second

Is there another reason? I saw your filler post about her. I tend to be somewhat paranoid of Thunal after watching her from the chatroom in Se7en. Since then, I've taken some fairly strong stances on her towniness in other games, but it was specifically becasue of things she said in those games, rather than as a meta overview. I have to work to actively find her, if that makes sense.

OK, I've just skipped around, I'll actually read back a bit before work.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:40 am

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:42 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:10 pm @robyn @Bereft why are you voting me?

Also which one of you voted first?

because he voted you, second

Is there another reason? I saw your filler post about her. I tend to be somewhat paranoid of Thunal after watching her from the chatroom in Se7en. Since then, I've taken some fairly strong stances on her towniness in other games, but it was specifically becasue of things she said in those games, rather than as a meta overview. I have to work to actively find her, if that makes sense.

OK, I've just skipped around, I'll actually read back a bit before work.

nope, i'm a straight shooter

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am
I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

That used to freak me out, too. Naming civs, like WTF. Extreme target painting. I still don't love rainbow lists, and prefer baddie hunting to townie hunting.

I'm used to it now.

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:45 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:40 am

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:42 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:10 pm @robyn @Bereft why are you voting me?

Also which one of you voted first?

because he voted you, second

Is there another reason? I saw your filler post about her. I tend to be somewhat paranoid of Thunal after watching her from the chatroom in Se7en. Since then, I've taken some fairly strong stances on her towniness in other games, but it was specifically becasue of things she said in those games, rather than as a meta overview. I have to work to actively find her, if that makes sense.

OK, I've just skipped around, I'll actually read back a bit before work.

nope, i'm a straight shooter

I need to get better at that, I rely too much on meta.