The Syndicate

just to check myself, did anyone else have difficulty understanding my read on c4 besides NAA?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:56 pm But I still don't car so

You care, Dyslexicon. I know that you care.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:00 pm just to check myself, did anyone else have difficulty understanding my read on c4 besides NAA?

I can understand the read. I can also understand not seeing the "point" of the read, so I don't fault NAA for that (since your read reinforced a consensus already in place). I also don't see the point of sheeping Alison of all people to post so far, however, so whaddyagonnado

Dizzy, Jay and Axe are all lean town so far.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:58 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:57 pmIf a POE that includes me for not posting solves the game, count me in.

I'm flying to Ohio atm to visit my family for the weekend. I probably won't have much time to contribute until Saturday.

Marmot mafia confirmed tbh

Is this a serious read?

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:00 pm just to check myself, did anyone else have difficulty understanding my read on c4 besides NAA?

me

I'm disappointed that Dizzy didn't include any highway puns in that read.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:02 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:00 pm just to check myself, did anyone else have difficulty understanding my read on c4 besides NAA?

I can understand the read. I can also understand not seeing the "point" of the read, so I don't fault NAA for that (since your read reinforced a consensus already in place). I also don't see the point of sheeping Alison of all people to post so far, however, so whaddyagonnado

i was gonna say i don’t think there was a consensus on c4 when i gave the read, but i missed dizzy and alison also v reading c4 so fair enuf

JJJ looks townie. He's made more comfortable posts this page than he did in all of Philo Mafia
Mac ?
Hally looks like they're working hard to make themselves understood when it doesn't look like people are asking, so my gut tells me that's scummy
Dizzy cute (also null)

That's what I've got from the 15 posts that I've read. Gonna hop on a plane now.

Dunno if it’s unfounded confidence or just a good inductive spark from my brains, but I feel okay about this theory:

Alison + Wilgy/Marmot/Nanook
OR
Hally + Wilgy/Marmot/Nanook

NAA is an awkward fit with either one. More awkward with Hally.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:06 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:00 pm just to check myself, did anyone else have difficulty understanding my read on c4 besides NAA?

me

alright, i’ll spoon feed it i guess

i think wolves generally aren’t bold enough to go that hard against jay declaring someone lock v and the content of c4’s case is one of those subtle things wolves don’t pick up on (unless they’re w/w)

also think it’s villagery from c4 specifically because i think it’s the sort of thing he tends to look for when solving and the way he followed up with it to me reads like how he gets when he believes he’s caught something, but i’d v read it from anyone

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:11 pm JJJ looks townie. He's made more comfortable posts this page than he did in all of Philo Mafia
Mac ?
Hally looks like they're working hard to make themselves understood when it doesn't look like people are asking, so my gut tells me that's scummy
Dizzy cute (also null)

That's what I've got from the 15 posts that I've read. Gonna hop on a plane now.

i don’t know what this means?

honestly confused at the amount of suspicion i’ve gotten

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:29 pm honestly confused at the amount of suspicion i’ve gotten

Me too. What's that about.

I probably won't care about that Alison post if she says the right thing about it when she comes back

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:20 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:15 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:01 pm [VOTE: Hally] aubergine

Serious vote.

sup?

I think you'd scrutinize Dizzy a little harder if you found his behavior jarring, since I got the impression you were miffed at wrongly townreading him in GOC.

it’s jarring, i just don’t think really think it’s AI

dizzy is more than capable of faking tone/vibe as a wolf so i believe that he’s just down regardless of alignment

1) Dizzy is down.
2) Dizzy hates playing wolf.
3) Dizzy is more likely to be down if he is a wolf.
4) If Dizzy is down, he is more likely to be a wolf.

Which of these 4 statements is not true?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:30 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:29 pm honestly confused at the amount of suspicion i’ve gotten

Me too. What's that about.

i dunno, the only wolf read on me i actually understood was jay’s

feel like everyone else is just kinda calling me a wolf for no reason

i blame you for wolf reading me on page 1 and making them think it’s ok

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:28 pm @Alison

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:54 pm @Hally can you describe the vibe Dizzy gave you? he seems to be having fun

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:58 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:54 pm @Hally can you describe the vibe Dizzy gave you? he seems to be having fun

really? he seems a lot more subdued/flat to me than i’m used to

i dunno could be. i'm not "used" to anything anymore i barely play

but his posts didn't strike me that way. whaddya think of Dizzy saying you're a suspicious stinker

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:02 pm I was exploring the possibility that Hally's instinct was to respond to Dizzy's accusation with a sort of "offensive" (meaning "on the attack" rather than "being defensive") emotional appeal -- it'd be a bit of a suspicious thingy

i buy this sequence from jay as a real exploration of my response to dizzy

Hm. Okay.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:17 pm Jay has done nothing alignment indicative and anyone who believes he has is forcing a read or fooling themselves.

not entirely convinced town Alison feels the need to make this post if she has no read on me on page 2

Why?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:20 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:15 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:01 pm [VOTE: Hally] aubergine

Serious vote.

sup?

I think you'd scrutinize Dizzy a little harder if you found his behavior jarring, since I got the impression you were miffed at wrongly townreading him in GOC.

it’s jarring, i just don’t think really think it’s AI

dizzy is more than capable of faking tone/vibe as a wolf so i believe that he’s just down regardless of alignment

1) Dizzy is down.
2) Dizzy hates playing wolf.
3) Dizzy is more likely to be down if he is a wolf.
4) If Dizzy is down, he is more likely to be a wolf.

Which of these 4 statements is not true?

If Schweppes were in this game, he would say something angsty here

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:49 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:47 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:44 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:39 pm c4 going against the grain on MR and making that catch on him is the villageriest thing itt so far

can i help you?

Probably not, I think you're mafia proxy Alison and I don't understand the point of this read on C4 / it almost seems like TMI for the sake of pocketing.

Remind me again why you've chosen me to sheep?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:36 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:20 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:15 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:01 pm [VOTE: Hally] aubergine

Serious vote.

sup?

I think you'd scrutinize Dizzy a little harder if you found his behavior jarring, since I got the impression you were miffed at wrongly townreading him in GOC.

it’s jarring, i just don’t think really think it’s AI

dizzy is more than capable of faking tone/vibe as a wolf so i believe that he’s just down regardless of alignment

1) Dizzy is down.
2) Dizzy hates playing wolf.
3) Dizzy is more likely to be down if he is a wolf.
4) If Dizzy is down, he is more likely to be a wolf.

Which of these 4 statements is not true?

If Schweppes were in this game, he would say something angsty here

If Schweppes was in this game, he would say "depression" and then not post for the rest of the day phase and then get voted off in a shrugyeet and then complain about getting voted off early in postgame.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:17 pm Jay has done nothing alignment indicative and anyone who believes he has is forcing a read or fooling themselves.

not entirely convinced town Alison feels the need to make this post if she has no read on me on page 2

This just makes me think you two are the mafia. Congrats.

If me and Jay are the mafia we ~never bus D1 unless one of us is expecting to get slapped in the face by RL and be inordinately inactive soon.

w!Alison came back immediately after my post because I was offering her a way out and it motivated her

I don't believe this read

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:18 pm Dunno if it’s unfounded confidence or just a good inductive spark from my brains, but I feel okay about this theory:

Alison + Wilgy/Marmot/Nanook
OR
Hally + Wilgy/Marmot/Nanook

NAA is an awkward fit with either one. More awkward with Hally.

Why is NAA an awkward fit with your first solve?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:17 pm Jay has done nothing alignment indicative and anyone who believes he has is forcing a read or fooling themselves.

not entirely convinced town Alison feels the need to make this post if she has no read on me on page 2

Why?

It’s a pretty dramatic refutation of “having any read on Jay”, barely into the game’s beginning. You tend to leave me to resolve myself, and I am skeptical that you really cared whether other people viewed me as town or as mafia at that point. It’s fine to have no read. It’s awkward to broadcast a non-read onto others like it’s where they should be as well.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:38 pm w!Alison came back immediately after my post because I was offering her a way out and it motivated her

I don't believe this read

w!Alison does not seek "a way out" on page 4.

(t!Alison was playing Guilty Gear Strive with her friends.)

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:27 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:11 pm JJJ looks townie. He's made more comfortable posts this page than he did in all of Philo Mafia
Mac ?
Hally looks like they're working hard to make themselves understood when it doesn't look like people are asking, so my gut tells me that's scummy
Dizzy cute (also null)

That's what I've got from the 15 posts that I've read. Gonna hop on a plane now.

i don’t know what this means?

It means I haven't actually read your c4 read, but I read the post where you asked if people understood it, waited for a response, then explained it again.

The "sigh I guess I'll spoonfeed it to you" didn't seem necessary if you were concerned that people didn't understand you to begin.


I don't feel like I'm explaining myself very well either, so maybe my read is just moot lol

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:20 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:15 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:01 pm [VOTE: Hally] aubergine

Serious vote.

sup?

I think you'd scrutinize Dizzy a little harder if you found his behavior jarring, since I got the impression you were miffed at wrongly townreading him in GOC.

it’s jarring, i just don’t think really think it’s AI

dizzy is more than capable of faking tone/vibe as a wolf so i believe that he’s just down regardless of alignment

1) Dizzy is down.
2) Dizzy hates playing wolf.
3) Dizzy is more likely to be down if he is a wolf.
4) If Dizzy is down, he is more likely to be a wolf.

Which of these 4 statements is not true?

the premise of the argument you’re making is that dizzy is bad at hiding how much he dislikes wolfing and we both know that’s wrong

also i briefly checked how he was in the panda game and he seemed kinda dead there too so i believe him when he says it’s just his mood

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:40 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:17 pm Jay has done nothing alignment indicative and anyone who believes he has is forcing a read or fooling themselves.

not entirely convinced town Alison feels the need to make this post if she has no read on me on page 2

Why?

It’s a pretty dramatic refutation of “having any read on Jay”, barely into the game’s beginning. You tend to leave me to resolve myself, and I am skeptical that you really cared whether other people viewed me as town or as mafia at that point. It’s fine to have no read. It’s awkward to broadcast a non-read onto others like it’s where they should be as well.

I am usually content to leave self resolving slots to self resolve. I will speak up if people are going too far in townreading them for too little reason, because it makes them not self resolving. (If a player who is well known for bagging wolves early fails to bag wolves too many days in a row, they get exposed as scum - that's self resolving. But if the entire game goes overboard in exaggerating how townie and unfakeable their behavior is, then they won't be held accountable even if they fail to do so - so they stop being self resolving.) I'm fairly sure that I've said similar things in previous games before, but I can't think of any specific sources right now.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:06 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:00 pm just to check myself, did anyone else have difficulty understanding my read on c4 besides NAA?

me

alright, i’ll spoon feed it i guess

i think wolves generally aren’t bold enough to go that hard against jay declaring someone lock v and the content of c4’s case is one of those subtle things wolves don’t pick up on (unless they’re w/w)

also think it’s villagery from c4 specifically because i think it’s the sort of thing he tends to look for when solving and the way he followed up with it to me reads like how he gets when he believes he’s caught something, but i’d v read it from anyone

Jay isn't scary lol

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:43 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:20 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:15 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:01 pm [VOTE: Hally] aubergine

Serious vote.

sup?

I think you'd scrutinize Dizzy a little harder if you found his behavior jarring, since I got the impression you were miffed at wrongly townreading him in GOC.

it’s jarring, i just don’t think really think it’s AI

dizzy is more than capable of faking tone/vibe as a wolf so i believe that he’s just down regardless of alignment

1) Dizzy is down.
2) Dizzy hates playing wolf.
3) Dizzy is more likely to be down if he is a wolf.
4) If Dizzy is down, he is more likely to be a wolf.

Which of these 4 statements is not true?

the premise of the argument you’re making is that dizzy is bad at hiding how much he dislikes wolfing and we both know that’s wrong

also i briefly checked how he was in the panda game and he seemed kinda dead there too so i believe him when he says it’s just his mood

It doesn't require that premise. Dizzy has chosen to not hide his down-ness, whatever alignment he is. Unless you think he would hide his down-ness as wolf, but not as town? (In which case you should probably be townreading him for it.)

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:37 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:36 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:20 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:15 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:01 pm [VOTE: Hally] aubergine

Serious vote.

sup?

I think you'd scrutinize Dizzy a little harder if you found his behavior jarring, since I got the impression you were miffed at wrongly townreading him in GOC.

it’s jarring, i just don’t think really think it’s AI

dizzy is more than capable of faking tone/vibe as a wolf so i believe that he’s just down regardless of alignment

1) Dizzy is down.
2) Dizzy hates playing wolf.
3) Dizzy is more likely to be down if he is a wolf.
4) If Dizzy is down, he is more likely to be a wolf.

Which of these 4 statements is not true?

If Schweppes were in this game, he would say something angsty here

If Schweppes was in this game, he would say "depression" and then not post for the rest of the day phase and then get voted off in a shrugyeet and then complain about getting voted off early in postgame.

lmao

yes

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:36 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:20 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:15 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:01 pm [VOTE: Hally] aubergine

Serious vote.

sup?

I think you'd scrutinize Dizzy a little harder if you found his behavior jarring, since I got the impression you were miffed at wrongly townreading him in GOC.

it’s jarring, i just don’t think really think it’s AI

dizzy is more than capable of faking tone/vibe as a wolf so i believe that he’s just down regardless of alignment

1) Dizzy is down.
2) Dizzy hates playing wolf.
3) Dizzy is more likely to be down if he is a wolf.
4) If Dizzy is down, he is more likely to be a wolf.

Which of these 4 statements is not true?

If Schweppes were in this game, he would say something angsty here

Something angsty

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:45 pm Everyone is too townie for Wilgy to also be town

Stop posting in meme fonts please.

Also what happened to your scumread on me?

Nanook is the easiest scumread to make here btw.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:45 pm Everyone is too townie for Wilgy to also be town

I was going to call your vote weak sauce, but this is fine

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:45 pm Everyone is too townie for Wilgy to also be town

Stop posting in meme fonts please.

Also what happened to your scumread on me?

My scumread on you is right here

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:46 pm Nanook is the easiest scumread to make here btw.

Maybe that’s why the thought of reading him that way makes me feel so incredibly bored

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:20 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:15 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:01 pm [VOTE: Hally] aubergine

Serious vote.

sup?

I think you'd scrutinize Dizzy a little harder if you found his behavior jarring, since I got the impression you were miffed at wrongly townreading him in GOC.

it’s jarring, i just don’t think really think it’s AI

dizzy is more than capable of faking tone/vibe as a wolf so i believe that he’s just down regardless of alignment

1) Dizzy is down.
2) Dizzy hates playing wolf.
3) Dizzy is more likely to be down if he is a wolf.
4) If Dizzy is down, he is more likely to be a wolf.

Which of these 4 statements is not true?

All of them lol

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]

anyone ever noticed that the band emoji is this band?

Mac is in his wolf range right now. This is a very strong active player list, and I know Mac knows that doing chaotic things is one way to combat that strength.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:48 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:20 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:15 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:01 pm [VOTE: Hally] aubergine

Serious vote.

sup?

I think you'd scrutinize Dizzy a little harder if you found his behavior jarring, since I got the impression you were miffed at wrongly townreading him in GOC.

it’s jarring, i just don’t think really think it’s AI

dizzy is more than capable of faking tone/vibe as a wolf so i believe that he’s just down regardless of alignment

1) Dizzy is down.
2) Dizzy hates playing wolf.
3) Dizzy is more likely to be down if he is a wolf.
4) If Dizzy is down, he is more likely to be a wolf.

Which of these 4 statements is not true?

All of them lol

bro you 100% hate playing wolf we talked about this several times in the GoC

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:49 pm Mac is in his wolf range right now. This is a very strong active player list, and I know Mac knows that doing chaotic things is one way to combat that strength.

*fart*

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:34 pmi blame you for wolf reading me on page 1 and making them think it’s ok

I mean, that's legit how I'm read most D1s. Someone says something, and then everyone says it. Seems to be town this time around.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:46 pm Nanook is the easiest scumread to make here btw.

I don't get it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:49 pmbro you 100% hate playing wolf we talked about this several times in the GoC

Oops, my bad. 2) is 100 % correct.