The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:37 am Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:58 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:42 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:37 am Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Falcon says he's town when he's mafia as well.

I don't know or care about the role claims.

I don't really think he's suspicious, but he doesn't have a "I'm town" truth tell.

I don't care if you don't care.

This game has no vanilla town roles. Falcon said he doesn't fake claim roles. He claimed a town role. So unless we believe his previous statement about having that meta was a lie, falcon should be treated as confirmed or nearly confirmed town.

I'm not saying falcon has a "no lie" meta. I'm saying he has a "no fake claim" meta. Those metas exist, I've met people with them in other sites before.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 5:07 am I don’t remember what we did mech wise last time, but I think it worked-ish. Except Nut shot the wrong people.

I think maybe we coordinated enough to have the shooter covered, and then could rogue protect likely other targets of it felt necessary.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:16 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:58 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:42 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:37 am Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Falcon says he's town when he's mafia as well.

I don't know or care about the role claims.

I don't really think he's suspicious, but he doesn't have a "I'm town" truth tell.

I don't care if you don't care.

This game has no vanilla town roles. Falcon said he doesn't fake claim roles. He claimed a town role. So unless we believe his previous statement about having that meta was a lie, falcon should be treated as confirmed or nearly confirmed town.

I'm not saying falcon has a "no lie" meta. I'm saying he has a "no fake claim" meta. Those metas exist, I've met people with them in other sites before.

I don’t understand the distinction you are making here. Isn’t “claiming a town role” basically the same as just saying you are town this game

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:14 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:37 am Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Is this why you asked him if he was a doctor directly?

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:44 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 5:07 am I don’t remember what we did mech wise last time, but I think it worked-ish. Except Nut shot the wrong people.

I think maybe we coordinated enough to have the shooter covered, and then could rogue protect likely other targets of it felt necessary.

Scum won by shooting nutella on n7 so clearly it didn't work lol
I don't think you came up with a system in the last game.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:31 am Rethinking this. It might not be worth trying to save anyone other than Nanook. In terms of actual value gained by saving other people, we would need 3 successful saves in order to increase our number of miselims from two to three.

Given this, I'm tempted to say we should just do the d3 method because it's prob the only one everyone will be able to understand.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:56 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:16 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:58 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:42 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:37 am Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Falcon says he's town when he's mafia as well.

I don't know or care about the role claims.

I don't really think he's suspicious, but he doesn't have a "I'm town" truth tell.

I don't care if you don't care.

This game has no vanilla town roles. Falcon said he doesn't fake claim roles. He claimed a town role. So unless we believe his previous statement about having that meta was a lie, falcon should be treated as confirmed or nearly confirmed town.

I'm not saying falcon has a "no lie" meta. I'm saying he has a "no fake claim" meta. Those metas exist, I've met people with them in other sites before.

I don’t understand the distinction you are making here. Isn’t “claiming a town role” basically the same as just saying you are town this game

You are right, which is why I'm not sure if falcon's weirdly specific meta applies here or not.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:52 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:21 pm Anyways this game is literally up to me to solve so like

Antagonizing me and refusing to cooperate isn't gonna help things

Literally just asking you to be a team player

I strongly recommend you don't attempt to solve it by yourself and just follow whatever the majority is saying unless you have REALLY strong reasons not to.

Otherwise odds are you are joining nutella in the "traumatized by this setup" spec chat next time.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:58 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:42 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:37 am Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Falcon says he's town when he's mafia as well.

I don't know or care about the role claims.

I don't really think he's suspicious, but he doesn't have a "I'm town" truth tell.

I don't care if you don't care.

This game has no vanilla town roles. Falcon said he doesn't fake claim roles. He claimed a town role. So unless we believe his previous statement about having that meta was a lie, falcon should be treated as confirmed or nearly confirmed town.

I'm not saying falcon has a "no lie" meta. I'm saying he has a "no fake claim" meta. Those metas exist, I've met people with them in other sites before.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:44 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 5:07 am I don’t remember what we did mech wise last time, but I think it worked-ish. Except Nut shot the wrong people.

I think maybe we coordinated enough to have the shooter covered, and then could rogue protect likely other targets of it felt necessary.

Scum won by shooting nutella on n7 so clearly it didn't work lol
I don't think you came up with a system in the last game.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:24 pm Alternatively we can nominate one player (on odd nights) or two players (on even nights) to protect NANOOK and everybody else rands their shots incase the nominated players happen to be wolves.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:58 am

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:24 pm Alternatively we can nominate one player (on odd nights) or two players (on even nights) to protect NANOOK and everybody else rands their shots incase the nominated players happen to be wolves.

I like this plan maybe increase it by 1 just in case someone misses night action or mafia have some hidden block?

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:36 am

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:31 am Rethinking this. It might not be worth trying to save anyone other than Nanook. In terms of actual value gained by saving other people, we would need 3 successful saves in order to increase our number of miselims from two to three.

Given this, I'm tempted to say we should just do the d3 method because it's prob the only one everyone will be able to understand.

I hope NANOOK is a good wolf hunter then.

11 v 4 --> Mislynch --> 10 v 4 --> Odd-night nightkill --> 9 v 4 --> Mislynch --> 8 v 4 --> Even-night nightkills --> 6 v 4 --> Mislynch --> 5 v 4 --> Odd-night nightkill --> 4 v 4

I think it's gonna be extremely hard for town to win if all nightkills succeed.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:02 am Also I totally should’ve read the rules before starting since lol wtf is this.

But also oof so glad I’m not the red panda we’d be dead by like day 3 somehow

Also also, is it accurate to say if we don’t use our actions it’s randed? If so wouldn’t it make the most sense for only like 3 ppl to target nanook and nobody else does anything so it’s totally random

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 2:33 am ::shrug:: I don't believe anything is sustainable, and nothing I presented is original, so it doesn't hurt my feelings. Basically, I'll go with whatever plan we all determine is our best shot if it keeps me from having to think about more math. :P

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:18 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:10 pm Im telling you right now, i aint attempting to save anyone in this game but myself, i believes in flips over saves.

Are people gonna have to spend another 2 rl weeks begging you to read the rules post

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 5:07 am I don’t remember what we did mech wise last time, but I think it worked-ish. Except Nut shot the wrong people.

I think maybe we coordinated enough to have the shooter covered, and then could rogue protect likely other targets of it felt necessary.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:33 am
Why are you so adamant about not cooperating and doing what you want, when you don't seem to understand the basics of the setup in the first place?

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:44 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 5:07 am I don’t remember what we did mech wise last time, but I think it worked-ish. Except Nut shot the wrong people.

I think maybe we coordinated enough to have the shooter covered, and then could rogue protect likely other targets of it felt necessary.

Scum won by shooting nutella on n7 so clearly it didn't work lol
I don't think you came up with a system in the last game.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:56 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:16 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:58 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:42 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:37 am Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Falcon says he's town when he's mafia as well.

I don't know or care about the role claims.

I don't really think he's suspicious, but he doesn't have a "I'm town" truth tell.

I don't care if you don't care.

This game has no vanilla town roles. Falcon said he doesn't fake claim roles. He claimed a town role. So unless we believe his previous statement about having that meta was a lie, falcon should be treated as confirmed or nearly confirmed town.

I'm not saying falcon has a "no lie" meta. I'm saying he has a "no fake claim" meta. Those metas exist, I've met people with them in other sites before.

I don’t understand the distinction you are making here. Isn’t “claiming a town role” basically the same as just saying you are town this game

You are right, which is why I'm not sure if falcon's weirdly specific meta applies here or not.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:14 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:37 am Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Is this why you asked him if he was a doctor directly?

Yes.

People who have truth metas should be met with claim prompts asap imo.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:37 am Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:21 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:33 am
Why are you so adamant about not cooperating and doing what you want, when you don't seem to understand the basics of the setup in the first place?

Because im better at playing mafia than playing math, the moment i saw this becoming a math game i got bored.

Im still bored.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:26 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:21 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:33 am
Why are you so adamant about not cooperating and doing what you want, when you don't seem to understand the basics of the setup in the first place?

Because im better at playing mafia than playing math, the moment i saw this becoming a math game i got bored.

Im still bored.

So who’s scum?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:21 am

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:44 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 5:07 am I don’t remember what we did mech wise last time, but I think it worked-ish. Except Nut shot the wrong people.

I think maybe we coordinated enough to have the shooter covered, and then could rogue protect likely other targets of it felt necessary.

Scum won by shooting nutella on n7 so clearly it didn't work lol
I don't think you came up with a system in the last game.

Because scum wasn’t shot.
I had all 4 scum in a PoE of 5 on day 0 that game. It was stupid. Buuut anyway.

Dice roll + conservative extra protection is my vote. Ensures safety for Nook, doesn’t give too much away.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:46 am This game has a limited post count.

Some people are burning their whole limit talking about mech and later on they will be able to use that as an excuse not to scumhunt.

I'd kill one of the people doing that. [VOTE: NAA] aubergine

As for the mech, here are my two cents.

Nanook needs to be protected 24/7. I think the safe number is 5 docs on odd days and 6 docs on even days. We can do a little less if we think the entire mafia won't get on the doctor block. Maybe 4 and 5. I'll volunteer for the doctor block today if nobody else will, but we should rotate.

Everyone else should protect conservatively, so we don't waste our protects early. Do not announce whether you are protecting or not, and who. Just do what you feel like and be cautious.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:58 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:42 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:37 am Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Falcon says he's town when he's mafia as well.

I don't know or care about the role claims.

I don't really think he's suspicious, but he doesn't have a "I'm town" truth tell.

I don't care if you don't care.

This game has no vanilla town roles. Falcon said he doesn't fake claim roles. He claimed a town role. So unless we believe his previous statement about having that meta was a lie, falcon should be treated as confirmed or nearly confirmed town.

I'm not saying falcon has a "no lie" meta. I'm saying he has a "no fake claim" meta. Those metas exist, I've met people with them in other sites before.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:36 am Would everyone be ok with pre-rolling their saves/no saves? What I mean by this is, privately roll & note down whether or not you're saving Nanook at each Panda count so that we can answer any how to questions during the day and nobody is stuck thinking about this at night.

Also, it allows people to start privately forming ideas of what they're going to do with their saves... We can even probably set objectives like "if you have more than 3 saves by day 3, you should use one randomly... Etc... That way we can communicate all of the mech during the day, all calculated - none revealed. Don't soft claim, don't hard claim.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:19 am I get the sense that people are unnecessarily provoking guillo, and I'd prefer if they didn't do that.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:43 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:36 am Would everyone be ok with pre-rolling their saves/no saves? What I mean by this is, privately roll & note down whether or not you're saving Nanook at each Panda count so that we can answer any how to questions during the day and nobody is stuck thinking about this at night.

Also, it allows people to start privately forming ideas of what they're going to do with their saves... We can even probably set objectives like "if you have more than 3 saves by day 3, you should use one randomly... Etc... That way we can communicate all of the mech during the day, all calculated - none revealed. Don't soft claim, don't hard claim.

Do we get informed if our saves are successful?

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:02 am Also I totally should’ve read the rules before starting since lol wtf is this.

But also oof so glad I’m not the red panda we’d be dead by like day 3 somehow

Also also, is it accurate to say if we don’t use our actions it’s randed? If so wouldn’t it make the most sense for only like 3 ppl to target nanook and nobody else does anything so it’s totally random

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:36 am Would everyone be ok with pre-rolling their saves/no saves? What I mean by this is, privately roll & note down whether or not you're saving Nanook at each Panda count so that we can answer any how to questions during the day and nobody is stuck thinking about this at night.

Also, it allows people to start privately forming ideas of what they're going to do with their saves... We can even probably set objectives like "if you have more than 3 saves by day 3, you should use one randomly... Etc... That way we can communicate all of the mech during the day, all calculated - none revealed. Don't soft claim, don't hard claim.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:45 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:19 am I get the sense that people are unnecessarily provoking guillo, and I'd prefer if they didn't do that.

Which people?

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:52 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:36 am Would everyone be ok with pre-rolling their saves/no saves? What I mean by this is, privately roll & note down whether or not you're saving Nanook at each Panda count so that we can answer any how to questions during the day and nobody is stuck thinking about this at night.

Also, it allows people to start privately forming ideas of what they're going to do with their saves... We can even probably set objectives like "if you have more than 3 saves by day 3, you should use one randomly... Etc... That way we can communicate all of the mech during the day, all calculated - none revealed. Don't soft claim, don't hard claim.

what dice are we rolling?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:16 am Rules:

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Also always be mindful of the culture of respect that must be maintained in all Syndicate spaces at all times, to include this game thread and any external communication spaces relating to the game. Players must be respectful to one another, to the game host, to the members of the staff overseeing the game, to the game itself by way of its rules and spirit, to the Syndicate community in general, and ideally also to themselves. Respect is never optional. See our full manifesto on our culture of respect below.

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- 48/24 - closed nights.

- This game is divided into day phases and night phases. Day phases are when the Red Panda makes their choice of who to capture and release back into the wild. They must send a target to the host within 48 hours, or I will pick it at random. They cannot make a final choice BEFORE 24hrs of the day has passed but can pick at any time after that. Day ends (as it would a hammer) once they have chosen their target.

- Night phases are when the Giant Pandas and Trash Pandas send their actions. Actions will be accepted 23 hours after the end of day write-up is posted. No night posting in the thread. The Trash Pandas will have a 24/7 BTSC chat available to them. No one else will have BTSC.

- There will be a poll for voting on players to help Red Panda decide on a target, but it will have no effect on actual target of each day's yeet, and is used just to help organize the discussion. Voting in it is not mandatory!

- You must post at least 5 times per day phase and a maximum of 70 posts per day phase. Failure to post at least 5 times will be considered inactivity. If you are inactive on two different days, I may modkill you. No replacements will happen in this game.

- Double targeting is allowed.

- Do not engage in angle-shooting, which means using information from outside of the game to obtain advantage in it. That includes, but is not limited to, making bets or oaths in real life or posting screenshots to prove anything. I will modkill players who try break this rule to influence the outcome of the game.

- This is what the Giant Panda role card looks like:

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You are a Giant Panda.

You are a member of town. You win the game when you eliminate the Trash Pandas.

Once per night, you may protect one player from a single Trash Panda kill.

You have 4 shots of protection to use.

You can protect yourself, but only once in the game.

- anyone engaging in excessive AtE will be modkilled. Let's keep it competitive but friendly and healthy. Contact your mods Syn and sabie if you have any frustrations with the game or other players.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:55 am

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:52 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:36 am Would everyone be ok with pre-rolling their saves/no saves? What I mean by this is, privately roll & note down whether or not you're saving Nanook at each Panda count so that we can answer any how to questions during the day and nobody is stuck thinking about this at night.

Also, it allows people to start privately forming ideas of what they're going to do with their saves... We can even probably set objectives like "if you have more than 3 saves by day 3, you should use one randomly... Etc... That way we can communicate all of the mech during the day, all calculated - none revealed. Don't soft claim, don't hard claim.

what dice are we rolling?

I think this is fine, it's pretty much in line with the probability you came up with, but mine is a bit more conservative

Odd Nights
Panda % No Save % Save
10 0.666666667 0.333333333
9 0.633333333 0.366666667
8 0.6 0.4
7 0.55 0.45
6 0.5 0.5
5 0.45 0.55
4 0.35 0.65
3 0.25 0.75
2 0.15 0.85

Even Nights
Panda % No Save % Save
9 0.6 0.4
8 0.55 0.45
7 0.5 0.5
6 0.45 0.55
5 0.35 0.65
4 0.25 0.75
3 0.1 0.9
2 0 1

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:26 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:21 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:33 am
Why are you so adamant about not cooperating and doing what you want, when you don't seem to understand the basics of the setup in the first place?

Because im better at playing mafia than playing math, the moment i saw this becoming a math game i got bored.

Im still bored.

So who’s scum?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:21 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:26 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:21 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:33 am
Why are you so adamant about not cooperating and doing what you want, when you don't seem to understand the basics of the setup in the first place?

Because im better at playing mafia than playing math, the moment i saw this becoming a math game i got bored.

Im still bored.

So who’s scum?

HK and DDL are in my PoE.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:03 am Alright so what we're doing is rolling 1d100, and if you get AT LEAST this high a number, you save Nanook:

Odd Nights

Code: Select all

# of Living Pandas   Save if you roll at least this number
10                   66
9                    63
8                    60
7                    55
6                    50
5                    45
4                    33
3                    25
2                    15

Even Nights

Code: Select all

# of Living Pandas   Save if you roll at least this number
9                    60
8                    55
7                    50
6                    45
5                    35
4                    25
3                    10
2                    1