[ENDGAME] The Shawshank Redemption Mafia

#1451

You claim to have worked so hard to save me, MR, yet you apparently think my instincts are for shit, lol.

#1452

SVS, who do you think is more likely a baddie, Lizzy, MR, or Bullz?
And I'm confused about AP. :/

#1453

Dom wrote: I think secret aspects of roles are at work here. I had plenty of nights to kill, MR, if I was the SK. Why would I wait until now? You didn't notice there wasn't a kill from Hadley's team?

And there are plenty of block/protect options at play in this game.

Do I think you waited 4 nights? No. Could you have waited 3 of those nights? Possible. Could you have waited 2 of those nights? Very likely.

And I actually did bring up that there wasn't a kill from the 'Shankers a few posts ago. Sorry if you missed it in all my linkitis, haha.

linki @SVS: What? How many times do I need to say I feel better about you than anyone else. And now I'm somehow trying to force a lynch between Dom and you?

linki X2 @SVS: Well, I hate to bring up Liar's Club again, but it was the last game where we were co-civs.

#1454

Dom wrote:SVS, who do you think is more likely a baddie, Lizzy, MR, or Bullz?
And I'm confused about AP. :/

Lizzy most, Bullz, and now, MR, equally about the same, then i am also confused about AP. I actually have him pencilled in for a civ role based on my experiences, but there really is no way of telling for sure.

lizzy mainly for the way she loyally held onto John. It reminds me of how i used to be, and to some extent, still am, with my noobs. I was like a mama bear, and that was how she appeared to me. There is no way i will believe she was not teammates with John.

Linki @MR~ so then why are you trying to lynch Dom instead of the people who tried to kill me?

#1455

One more thing:

Dom wrote: How did MR vote in Boo's lynch?
MP was MR at that point. He was one of the last Boo voters. Same with Mongoose.

Mongoose was not at the end of the boo voters. I just checked. She was voter #5, and not for boo at all.

#1456

Mister Rearranger wrote:One more thing:

Dom wrote: How did MR vote in Boo's lynch?
MP was MR at that point. He was one of the last Boo voters. Same with Mongoose.
Mongoose was not at the end of the boo voters. I just checked. She was voter #5, and not for boo at all.

that's not what I meant.
You voted for Mongoose towards the end, that's what I meant.
You had already replaced MP, as well, correct?

#1457

Dom wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:One more thing:

Dom wrote: How did MR vote in Boo's lynch?
MP was MR at that point. He was one of the last Boo voters. Same with Mongoose.
Mongoose was not at the end of the boo voters. I just checked. She was voter #5, and not for boo at all.
that's not what I meant.
You voted for Mongoose towards the end, that's what I meant.
You had already replaced MP, as well, correct?

I did not vote in the boo lynch. MP was still MP, if that's what you're asking.

And yes, I had replaced MP by the Mongoose lynch. I actually brought her name back into the picture, along with Bullz's.

#1458

Mister Rearranger wrote:
Dom wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:One more thing:

Dom wrote: How did MR vote in Boo's lynch?
MP was MR at that point. He was one of the last Boo voters. Same with Mongoose.
Mongoose was not at the end of the boo voters. I just checked. She was voter #5, and not for boo at all.
that's not what I meant.
You voted for Mongoose towards the end, that's what I meant.
You had already replaced MP, as well, correct?
I did not vote in the boo lynch. MP was still MP, if that's what you're asking.

And yes, I had replaced MP by the Mongoose lynch. I actually brought her name back into the picture, along with Bullz's.

What does Bullz have to do with Mongoose?

And yes, I am aware that MP voted in the Boo lynch. That's actually my point. MP voted for boo at the end. You voted for Mongoose at the end.

#1459

let me put it to you like this, MR. If there are 3 baddies left, worst case scenario, 1 Staff, 2 Sisters, and an SK, that is 4. There are 7 of us.

there is no way in hell i am gonna vote for Dom

So if you want to lynch a baddie, and you are a civ, we need to get on the same page, capice?

#1460

Mister Rearranger wrote:So um...what happened to the Mongoose and Bullz susps? Did I miss something?

is this what you're talking about, MR?

#1461

Dom: I said I brought up Mongoose and Bullz in a post long before her lynch (almost immediately after I subbed in), reminding everyone of former suspicions against both of them.

I see what you're thinking MP and then I did. It makes no sense. Why throw a teammate under the bus when there is no indication that they will be discussed for lynch that day?

linki: Yes, you got it dude.

S~V~S wrote: Linki @MR~ so then why are you trying to lynch Dom instead of the people who tried to kill me?

That illustrates why I think he's a good candidate for Elmo, actually.

You talked about Baddie vs. Baddie etiquette. If he's a SK, why not build trust with you in a baddie lynch?

Lynch the baddies and kill the civs at night, that's the SK way.

#1462

Well, then we're screwed, if you are in fact a civvie.

#1463

S~V~S wrote:let me put it to you like this, MR. If there are 3 baddies left, worst case scenario, 1 Staff, 2 Sisters, and an SK, that is 4. There are 7 of us.

there is no way in hell i am gonna vote for Dom

So if you want to lynch a baddie, and you are a civ, we need to get on the same page, capice?

SVS, what do you think of MR/MP's voting record?

Do you think MR is purposefully trying to break up the civv vote to ensure a civv death?

LINKI:
MR, you literally just said, "lol wot happen". You didn't build a case. I would hardly call that "bringing her name back into the picture".
You're not making much sense to me.

MR, I am a civvie. I'll repeat what I said, vote me if you must, but you're only damning the civvie cause.

#1464

Well consider my confidence and self-esteem about my abilities in Mafia to be through the roof right now; thanks SVS. :/

#1465

#1466

Again MR, you think that the vague SK theory that i am SCREAMING is not very likely, is better than a person who aggressively went after anyone who suspected John?

And tbh, Dom, I had reason to think MP might have been civ. It was a vague reason, lol, and seems vaguer by the minute right now. seven people left, the civs have to vote together. Worst case scenario, there are only 3 of us. If AP is one of them, the baddies win.

And MR, why keep going back to the sarcasm? You keep expecting me to listen to your points, but you won;t listen to mine.

#1467

S~V~S wrote:Again MR, you think that the vague SK theory that i am SCREAMING is not very likely, is better than a person who aggressively went after anyone who suspected John?

And tbh, Dom, I had reason to think MP might have been civ. It was a vague reason, lol, and seems vaguer by the minute right now. seven people left, the civs have to vote together. Worst case scenario, there are only 3 of us. If AP is one of them, the baddies win.

And MR, why keep going back to the sarcasm? You keep expecting me to listen to your points, but you won;t listen to mine.

You did? Is it something you can share?

#1468

SVS: You're wrinkling my brain. Like, ridicuballs amounts.

Dom wrote: LINKI:
MR, you literally just said, "lol wot happen". You didn't build a case. I would hardly call that "bringing her name back into the picture".
You're not making much sense to me.

MR, I am a civvie. I'll repeat what I said, vote me if you must, but you're only damning the civvie cause.

And there were no Mongoose votes before I posted that. Why even mention a teammate by name in that instance at all?

I believe one of you to be the SK. I just trust SVS more.

#1469

i need to get ready to go back to work

after an extended Christmas vaca due to falling down a flight of stairs (AND THEN FALLING AGAIN ON THE ICE GRRRR), so I have to go do real stuff.

Just remember this MR~ the civs need to stick together in this vote. I am NOT going to vote for Dom. NOT. Only sunshine, puppies and happiness have happened to me since his return. OK, maybe not, but i do think he is not bad. I will not vote for him.

We all really need to be together, or we're toast.

Linki @Dom, not really. But i could be wrong. But this it to you, too. We all need to be together.

#1470

Mister Rearranger wrote:SVS: You're wrinkling my brain. Like, ridicuballs amounts.

Dom wrote: LINKI:
MR, you literally just said, "lol wot happen". You didn't build a case. I would hardly call that "bringing her name back into the picture".
You're not making much sense to me.

MR, I am a civvie. I'll repeat what I said, vote me if you must, but you're only damning the civvie cause.
And there were no Mongoose votes before I posted that. Why even mention a teammate by name in that instance at all?

I believe one of you to be the SK. I just trust SVS more.

Why just us?
Why not someone else?

S~V~S wrote:i need to get ready to go back to work after an extended Christmas vaca due to falling down a flight of stairs (AND THEN FALLING AGAIN ON THE ICE GRRRR), so I have to go do real stuff.

Just remember this MR~ the civs need to stick together in this vote. I am NOT going to vote for Dom. NOT. Only sunshine, puppies and happiness have happened to me since his return. OK, maybe not, but i do think he is not bad. I will not vote for him.

We all really need to be together, or we're toast.

Linki @Dom, not really. But i could be wrong. But this it to you, too. We all need to be together.

I totally agree with you.

Who do you think should be priority? I don't think MR is a priority over Lizzy or Bullz. I feel worse about Bullz than Lizzy. How about you?

#1471

And if Dom is right about who you are MR (and IF MP was bad, I think it could have been with boo) it should not be too hard to convince the other baddies to vote for you since they would probably get your kill, woo hoo.

i would have killed so many people by now if i was the SK, lol. SO MANY. I am not the SK. I only wish I was ha ha~

But really, i am a civ. I have reason to think Dom is a civ.

Linki ~ I already voted for Lizzy.

#1472

Good Night Gentleman, love you both in that special sarcasm cone LP way xoxox

#1473

linki @Dom: I told SVS, I don't think the SK would vote for SVS, and I think the SK has reason to vote early and stick with that vote.

We eliminate the SK today, we eliminate 1 of 2 kills tonight. Things maybe become a 2-2 ratio. Decent odds for civs.

We eliminate a Sister today, there is still a chance we're left with 2 kills tonight, which results in a high possibility that 2 civs die tonight, quickly turning that 3-2-1 ratio into a 1-2-1 ratio. Best odds for both the baddie team and SK. Horrible odds for the civ.

Idk, the maths and coming in to this little trust-wagon between certain members is a helluva lot to ponder. I wonder what AP, Bullz, and Lizzy think?

Sorry to frustrate you, SVS! <3

#1474

MR, one last time, I am not an SK, and I will eat my hat, or even your purple eyeball hat, if Dom is. You need to pay attention when people SCREAM. We need to get someone who is not a civ, and a vote for me is a vote for a civ, and a vote for Dom prolly is one, too.

Now really, night

#1475

Good night, SVS.

I think Lizzy is a good choice as well, so I can get behind that.
I'll vote there tentatively.

#1476

Also, what the hell happened to BWT??

#1477

You guys should be able to guarantee her lynch without my vote anyways.

#1478

Mister Rearranger wrote:You guys should be able to guarantee her lynch without my vote anyways.

You're quite confident.

#1479

Should I be?

#1480

Dom wrote: I know this was a thing on LP/TP. In the olden days. I believe I've been playing longer than you, right? I definitely knew about that, and I might remember that game on TP that SVS talked about.
Maybe.
But I definitely know that this was considered bad form-- for baddies to purposefully kill each other. The philosophy was to let the civvies sort baddies out. Just look at Dexter Mafia on LP (if a certain someone didn't delete that thread ).

Hmmm... Okay. It was more the 'rude' comment, I'd never say there's a situation where it's rude to NK a person. I think if I'd been around back then I'd have had a few things to say about the whole principle, mostly is a baddie supposed to know who other than their team definitely isn't bad? When I'm bad my plan is always to kill threats to me/my team or kill those who probably won't be lynched. Bad, good or otherwise never mean a thing to me. But then I've only won as a baddie twice and died early both times, so maybe I'm doing something wrong.

Dom wrote:Really? You didn't kind of influence the push to save JJ and kill SVS at all?

See, I thought I was the only person who felt like this. MR probably thought he was being really clever in that lynch but honestly it has made me wonder a bit about him.

Dom wrote:Are people really still suspicious of SVS?
I don't understand how. Unless you think she is the SK... which is possible. But I am not convinced. She has pushed, a lot, for a lynch of people on both teams. I doubt she's a baddie. Lizzy, MR, and Bullz if you are considering voting for her based on her being anyone other than the sk (which is possible, but I haven't seen an argument for it), then you either have your head up your ass or you're naughty.

I guess you missed the post where I said I probably wouldn't vote for her again? I was in an awkward position where she was the only person I'd really looked at and there wasn't time to do anything else. I think I just grabbed on to the small things that caught my attention (which I might have otherwise brought up later anyway) and ran with it. Not bad, just dumb.

Mister Rearranger wrote: Oh, I did. What I'm saying is using that as an excuse for his SVS vote is pretty shoddy. To claim that he did so because I swayed him from his original intention reads BS, ESPECIALLY this late in the game. To claim he was influenced by a replacement that he was already debating about his own civility with is a matter that doesn't add up to me.

You didn't sway me from my original intention. I didn't have an original intention to be swayed from, hence why I was looking for a good case to be built. Also just because you don't trust me doesn't mean I can't trust you. I spent the whole of Homestar Runner trusting Dom (because I'd guessed his role) even though he was coming after me. I thought you might be trustworthy at the time.

#1481

Also I have a theory that the SK inherited the kill of the first NK role to die, hence why he only killed on the first odd night after Shawshank lost their killer. Therefore I don't think it's safe to base theories of who it might be off who would/might skip or miss kills. Does anyone else agree?

#1482

Mister Rearranger wrote:You guys should be able to guarantee her lynch without my vote anyways.

I am actually rather glad you said this. I do wish you would trust my judgment on Lizzy though.

And Bullz, I have considered that as well, and it would explain a sudden start to Elmo killing.

#1483

#1484

So why am I not super civ all of a sudden?

#1485

Lizzy wrote:So why am I not super civ all of a sudden?

When possible baddies have pre-planned conversations that seem almost surreal.

I'm not even sure they have to pretend to justify their votes at this point.

#1486

Bullzeye wrote:
Dom wrote:Are people really still suspicious of SVS?
I don't understand how. Unless you think she is the SK... which is possible. But I am not convinced. She has pushed, a lot, for a lynch of people on both teams. I doubt she's a baddie. Lizzy, MR, and Bullz if you are considering voting for her based on her being anyone other than the sk (which is possible, but I haven't seen an argument for it), then you either have your head up your ass or you're naughty.
I guess you missed the post where I said I probably wouldn't vote for her again? I was in an awkward position where she was the only person I'd really looked at and there wasn't time to do anything else. I think I just grabbed on to the small things that caught my attention (which I might have otherwise brought up later anyway) and ran with it. Not bad, just dumb.

So, you ran with what you will admit was a half baked theory designed to save someone?

Bullzeye wrote:Also I have a theory that the SK inherited the kill of the first NK role to die, hence why he only killed on the first odd night after Shawshank lost their killer. Therefore I don't think it's safe to base theories of who it might be off who would/might skip or miss kills. Does anyone else agree?

I posted something similar to this in my argument with MR, so I agree.

Lizzy wrote:So why am I not super civ all of a sudden?

Why would you be?
Seriously, why?
You defended a baddie bad baddie to the death. That's pretty suspicious. Especially since it almost worked.

A Person wrote:
Lizzy wrote:So why am I not super civ all of a sudden?
When possible baddies have pre-planned conversations that seem almost surreal.
I'm not even sure they have to pretend to justify their votes at this point.

Nice of you to join us.

#1487

I wasn't personally trying to save anyone Dom but yes, my reasons for voting SVS were misguided, mistaken dumb, foolish, stupid, wrong, grab a thesaurus and throw in your favourite synonym. I don't currently think she's bad and won't be voting for her again.

#1488

I never understood any of the reasons why people were voting for SVS in the first place, though. I really can't articulate them. How did you?

#1489

I guess what I mean to say is: can you please explain your SVS vote in a summarized fashion for me?

#1490

Dom wrote:I never understood any of the reasons why people were voting for SVS in the first place, though. I really can't articulate them. How did you?

For me it was mostly the way she seemed to be trying to distance herself from Sorsha's death. I hadn't seen much discussion of Sorsha being suspicious for one, and then SVS comes in saying how odd it is for baddies to kill baddies and how it used to be seen as almost rude on LP (which I'd never heard of - but you backed it up earlier on). I felt at the time like she was trying too hard to make it look like she had nothing to do with it. In light of your support for her comments and JJ's lynch it seems clearer that that wasn't the case. There's also another thing I noticed in hindsight that SVS tends to do as a baddie which she hasn't done here.

#1491

Dom and Bullz: I'm basing what I think about Blatch on the character himself. I don't see why he'd have to have a team eliminated before he kills, but I could see him being rezzed by the Shawshankers, or when the Warden dies, or something of that nature. That's what made me wary about Dom's rezz, surely that makes a modicum of sense given the source material.

However, the timing of it coincides with the Warden's death pretty well, and I did not fully consider the implications of that before.

The only other suspect I marginally have on the backburner for the SK is BwIT. Your theory would certainly lend reason as to why he wouldn't really care about participating in the thread until he gets his ability to kill.

#1492

S~V~S wrote:let me put it to you like this, MR. If there are 3 baddies left, worst case scenario, 1 Staff, 2 Sisters, and an SK, that is 4. There are 7 of us.

If this is ture, I encourage people to vote for me because that'd end the game either today or tomorrow after the sisters finish the SK off.

there is no way in hell i am gonna vote for Dom

Of course not since you're on the same team.

Luckily for Dom he's not a priority at the moment since he's not Bogs. I have to agree with MR that no civ in their right mind would chose to rezz you. However, just in case, for Dom - remember how we had the same beer options? I learnt nothing from them.

So if you want to lynch a baddie, and you are a civ, we need to get on the same page, capice?

You're not even trying anymore. :\

#1493

Bullzeye wrote:
Dom wrote:I never understood any of the reasons why people were voting for SVS in the first place, though. I really can't articulate them. How did you?
For me it was mostly the way she seemed to be trying to distance herself from Sorsha's death. I hadn't seen much discussion of Sorsha being suspicious for one, and then SVS comes in saying how odd it is for baddies to kill baddies and how it used to be seen as almost rude on LP (which I'd never heard of - but you backed it up earlier on). I felt at the time like she was trying too hard to make it look like she had nothing to do with it. In light of your support for her comments and JJ's lynch it seems clearer that that wasn't the case. There's also another thing I noticed in hindsight that SVS tends to do as a baddie which she hasn't done here.

This makes me happy with my Lizzy vote. But I'm still eyeing you.

Lizzy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:let me put it to you like this, MR. If there are 3 baddies left, worst case scenario, 1 Staff, 2 Sisters, and an SK, that is 4. There are 7 of us.
If this is ture, I encourage people to vote for me because that'd end the game either today or tomorrow after the sisters finish the SK off.

there is no way in hell i am gonna vote for Dom
Of course not since you're on the same team. Luckily for Dom he's not a priority at the moment since he's not Bogs. I have to agree with MR that no civ in their right mind would chose to rezz you. However, just in case, for Dom - remember how we had the same beer options? I learnt nothing from them.

So if you want to lynch a baddie, and you are a civ, we need to get on the same page, capice?
You're not even trying anymore. :\

Are you even paying attention?
Even if you haven't pieced together what is happening (if you are civv-- which you probably aren't), explain this to me: how is it possible that SVS is bad? I asked for you to earlier and you refuse to do so. I see no explanation for how SVS would lead lynches on both baddie teams and be bad.
But if you want to delude yourself, have fun.

#1494

Bullz, who are you voting for?
I would ask AP and BWT the same question, but I doubt they'll answer.

#1495

Also, Bullz, would you say you trust me?

#1496

Dom wrote: Even if you haven't pieced together what is happening (if you are civv-- which you probably aren't), explain this to me: how is it possible that SVS is bad? I asked for you to earlier and you refuse to do so. I see no explanation for how SVS would lead lynches on both baddie teams and be bad.
But if you want to delude yourself, have fun.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 360#p48036
So who was the one not paying attention? It was only 2 pages back...

#1497

Lizzy wrote:
Dom wrote: Even if you haven't pieced together what is happening (if you are civv-- which you probably aren't), explain this to me: how is it possible that SVS is bad? I asked for you to earlier and you refuse to do so. I see no explanation for how SVS would lead lynches on both baddie teams and be bad.
But if you want to delude yourself, have fun.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 360#p48036
So who was the one not paying attention? It was only 2 pages back...

I saw this post.
I don't see how it makes SVS bad.
Explain what team you think SVS is on.

#1498

AP, I see you're lurking down there. Have any thoughts?

#1499

Dom wrote:AP, I see you're lurking down there. Have any thoughts?

A lot of them are similar to Lizzy's so I don't feel the need to say much. I think SVS is most likely either bad or really good at making me think she is.

#1500

Dom wrote:
Lizzy wrote:
Dom wrote: Even if you haven't pieced together what is happening (if you are civv-- which you probably aren't), explain this to me: how is it possible that SVS is bad? I asked for you to earlier and you refuse to do so. I see no explanation for how SVS would lead lynches on both baddie teams and be bad.
But if you want to delude yourself, have fun.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 360#p48036
So who was the one not paying attention? It was only 2 pages back...
I saw this post.
I don't see how it makes SVS bad.
Explain what team you think SVS is on.

Via elimination I think she's Bogs, thus a sister. The only other options for Bogs are MR and Bullz - the former might be the last Shawshank - thus not a priority for me, and Bullz - I'm starting to lean civ on him though.

Anyway, I don't know why you guys are even trying to be convincing at this point - you've earned it. You deserve to win. This should be me trying to cling to this as much as I can towards the end.

slinki -