The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:46 pm Anyway, looking at ilario’s iso and suspicions- I already covered this in my case on why he was scum, but I’ll go over the tl;dr -

Ilario said he could basically godread cape on D1, makes a progression where he finds cape suspicious; and votes there.
Come Day 2, he never mentioned cape again. And early votes psv. Super weird,

Which reminds me- Cape looks REAL good for this tidbit. PSV looks REAL good for this.

New town core:
-Wilgy
-psv
-Cape
-DarlingMonroe
-me


We looking good, y’all. Could a 3p be lurking in the town core? Absolutely. This just means to me that ilario isn’t teamed with those players unless he is a masochist who busses and loves to be bussed like a

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:52 pm Workday Two Poll

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Workday Two
Poll ended at Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:00 pm


Alexy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Cape90
0
No votes
Voters: None
DarlingMonroe
0
No votes
Voters: None
Delta
1
7%
Voters: tutuu
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
ilario
4
27%
Voters: DrWilgy, potentialsheltervet, Long Con, Jackofhearts2005
Jackofhearts2005
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lime Coke
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
3
20%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90, Scotty
potentialsheltervet
3
20%
Voters: ilario, Delta, Lime Coke
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
tutuu
0
No votes
Voters: None
No elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote / Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None
Follow the Handbook. (non-players)
4
27%
Voters: S~V~S, MacDougall, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella
Total votes: 15

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:43 pm I completely forgot about Cape. Oh well, I'm not too concerned, I don't think he's endgaming if he's wolf here.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:54 am [VOTE: Delta] aubergine

I didn't wanna vote in case majority but if Delta is actually survival 3p, they kinda fumbled their hand by not immediately claiming

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:27 pm Delta claimed he has two possible wincons - survive and three different types of correct guesses on who gets chopped in both threads. He claimed that even if he dies, he can still win with the second wincon. If Delta was truthful he has no reason to not claim instantly, and immediately start giving us info on the other thresd. He loses nothing, he doesn't even need to be alive as claimed by him. Even if he is 3p he is lying about something, his play doesn't make sense for it to be truthful

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:27 pm Delta claimed he has two possible wincons - survive and three different types of correct guesses on who gets chopped in both threads. He claimed that even if he dies, he can still win with the second wincon. If Delta was truthful he has no reason to not claim instantly, and immediately start giving us info on the other thresd. He loses nothing, he doesn't even need to be alive as claimed by him. Even if he is 3p he is lying about something, his play doesn't make sense for it to be truthful

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:39 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:05 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:04 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:03 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:00 pm I make a guess for each thread before daystart

3 exact guesses, win
5 alignment guesses right in 6, win
3 consecutive player guesses, win

I guess this makes more sense to give you more outs.

So theoretically, you could have won at the end of our d2 if you had guessed everything correctly by that point?

Do you fly away into the trees if you win or

yep, if I win I leave early
cant solo win

Oh, I thought you said you’d be a survivor if you don’t fulfill your other

I can keep guessing so that wincon is always there, it's just the overarching one is 'if youre alive by the end of it all, win'

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:18 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:39 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:05 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:04 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:03 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:00 pm I make a guess for each thread before daystart

3 exact guesses, win
5 alignment guesses right in 6, win
3 consecutive player guesses, win

I guess this makes more sense to give you more outs.

So theoretically, you could have won at the end of our d2 if you had guessed everything correctly by that point?

Do you fly away into the trees if you win or

yep, if I win I leave early
cant solo win

Oh, I thought you said you’d be a survivor if you don’t fulfill your other

I can keep guessing so that wincon is always there, it's just the overarching one is 'if youre alive by the end of it all, win'

Maybe I misunderstood then. "Don't fulfill wincon" -> "I can keep guessing". I parsed this as you can win after you die

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:38 am Gira
Rondo
Bereft
Ran

Abbi(Porscha)

Pyxxy
Dizzy?

Leetic*

Ted*

Dead town: robyn, mac
Dead mafia: TSP (ilario)

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:55 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:54 pm [VOTE: Ilario] aubergine sure

this is a towny vote

depending on PSV's flip, Long Con's self pres is towny

So more likely then not Long Con is towny here

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:00 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 11:40 pm

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tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:46 pm viewtopic.php?t=2545

In this game wilgy was wolves with guillo

here is what happened EoD1:

viewtopic.php?p=1068080#p1068069

please look at this vote count and follow closely at the vote jumps, day ends a few posts below @Long Con @Scotty

guillo had 3 votes. me(town) had 3 votes. pyxxy(town) had 3 votes. wilgy is voting pyxxy

next vote count its 4-4 between me and guillo. wilgy is still on pyxxy, alone

day ends in a 5-5 tie, with wilgy voting guillo

wilgy could have easily not voted, or voted me, and gotten away with it

he also didnt see zenon's last vote shift to me. or he could have. in either way:

1) wilgy saw zenon voting me. it was 5-4 between me and his scum partner. he chose to tie up his partner

2) wilgy didnt see zenon voting me. he thought it was 4-4 between me and his scum partner. he chose to hammer the nail on his scum partner

wilgy is capable of doing egregious busses as wolf

i wouldn't townread him for voting ilario there

and the reason why i scumread him is because

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:46 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:44 pm vote delta
for a
free
win

what kind of black magic is this?

Why are YOU voting me?

It felt that you were being kept at -1 somewhat forcibly while at the same time I mostly tr the players on you.

>>>Between you and psv, I think both may need to resolve.<<<

lc senior and psv are most likely both town so the bolded part is a crime against humanity. he was also trying to kill me. that's 3/3 town. yes he voted ilario and yes he voted delta but his heart wasnt in it. wilgy is an egregious busser

Noted. I am kinda weirded out that you have this ready to case against Wilgy, but this is a possibility I am considering.

Moving Wilgy to

Oh no! Notes?

Have you been in a scum chat before and if you have, why does this concern you :P?

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:44 pm I don't know how much I'm going to be around today so since I'm on folks' poe I don't want you to waste time on that. I'm a town watcher. I had 2 opportunities to watch someone during separate night phases. Night 1 I watched psv, and Scotty had visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con and nobody visited him. The latter is the same night I got the extra vote placed on me for today.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:34 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:38 am Gira
Rondo
Bereft
Ran

Abbi(Porscha)

Pyxxy
Dizzy?

Leetic*

Ted*

Dead town: robyn, mac
Dead mafia: TSP (ilario)

Hi WWA! Welcommen

Quick question: what kind of gameplay was TSP exhibiting that made your thread suspicious of him/got him yeeted? Your entrance really clears up my

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:44 pm I don't know how much I'm going to be around today so since I'm on folks' poe I don't want you to waste time on that. I'm a town watcher. I had 2 opportunities to watch someone during separate night phases. Night 1 I watched psv, and Scotty had visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con and nobody visited him. The latter is the same night I got the extra vote placed on me for today.

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:44 pm I don't know how much I'm going to be around today so since I'm on folks' poe I don't want you to waste time on that. I'm a town watcher. I had 2 opportunities to watch someone during separate night phases. Night 1 I watched psv, and Scotty had visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con and nobody visited him. The latter is the same night I got the extra vote placed on me for today.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:56 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:44 pm I don't know how much I'm going to be around today so since I'm on folks' poe I don't want you to waste time on that. I'm a town watcher. I had 2 opportunities to watch someone during separate night phases. Night 1 I watched psv, and Scotty had visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con and nobody visited him. The latter is the same night I got the extra vote placed on me for today.

Oh wow. That's very surprising to me. I thought we're all VTs. Huh, where did all these power roles came from?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:57 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:34 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:38 am Gira
Rondo
Bereft
Ran

Abbi(Porscha)

Pyxxy
Dizzy?

Leetic*

Ted*

Dead town: robyn, mac
Dead mafia: TSP (ilario)

Hi WWA! Welcommen

Quick question: what kind of gameplay was TSP exhibiting that made your thread suspicious of him/got him yeeted? Your entrance really clears up my

Pushing anticonsensus reads
Ilario also never posted there
And people said TSP wolfy
But didn't vote him!

(2 posts remain)

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:58 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:44 pm I don't know how much I'm going to be around today so since I'm on folks' poe I don't want you to waste time on that. I'm a town watcher. I had 2 opportunities to watch someone during separate night phases. Night 1 I watched psv, and Scotty had visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con and nobody visited him. The latter is the same night I got the extra vote placed on me for today.

You didn't watch Jack N2 because you believed that Scotty would be a protective role and on Jack?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:03 pm Town has a lot more power than I intuitively feel adequate based off what we've seen so I'm paranoid of wolves having something broken to compensate but it's outside of my control

Alexy double cleared not only because of the watcher but also receiving the vote, imo

Id argue I'm also double cleared for receiving the vote and us having confirmation Robyn was town (claimed by Delta and WWA)

Long Con safely cleared, somewhat. So-so. Due to WWA. Im just talking mech here ignoring the obvious social town reads

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:59 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:56 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:44 pm I don't know how much I'm going to be around today so since I'm on folks' poe I don't want you to waste time on that. I'm a town watcher. I had 2 opportunities to watch someone during separate night phases. Night 1 I watched psv, and Scotty had visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con and nobody visited him. The latter is the same night I got the extra vote placed on me for today.

Oh wow. That's very surprising to me. I thought we're all VTs. Huh, where did all these power roles came from?

Uhhh
I am not VT.

Jack and DM are confirmed not VT. Whatchu smokin,

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:04 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:59 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:56 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:44 pm I don't know how much I'm going to be around today so since I'm on folks' poe I don't want you to waste time on that. I'm a town watcher. I had 2 opportunities to watch someone during separate night phases. Night 1 I watched psv, and Scotty had visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con and nobody visited him. The latter is the same night I got the extra vote placed on me for today.

Oh wow. That's very surprising to me. I thought we're all VTs. Huh, where did all these power roles came from?

Uhhh
I am not VT.

Jack and DM are confirmed not VT. Whatchu smokin,

No extra death, no fancy stuff, no nothing. Fmpov this was a lowkey mountainous game, I wasn't seeing anything happen. I didn't literally mean all of us VTs

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:04 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:03 pm Town has a lot more power than I intuitively feel adequate based off what we've seen so I'm paranoid of wolves having something broken to compensate but it's outside of my control

Alexy double cleared not only because of the watcher but also receiving the vote, imo

Id argue I'm also double cleared for receiving the vote and us having confirmation Robyn was town (claimed by Delta and WWA)

Long Con safely cleared, somewhat. So-so. Due to WWA. Im just talking mech here ignoring the obvious social town reads

I don’t disagree you both are town, but why would you both be cleared for having an extra vote? What makes that a town ability to

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:06 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:04 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:03 pm Town has a lot more power than I intuitively feel adequate based off what we've seen so I'm paranoid of wolves having something broken to compensate but it's outside of my control

Alexy double cleared not only because of the watcher but also receiving the vote, imo

Id argue I'm also double cleared for receiving the vote and us having confirmation Robyn was town (claimed by Delta and WWA)

Long Con safely cleared, somewhat. So-so. Due to WWA. Im just talking mech here ignoring the obvious social town reads

I don’t disagree you both are town, but why would you both be cleared for having an extra vote? What makes that a town ability to

I feel like if that's a town ability town would be overloaded with power roles and abilities. In comparison to Ilario and TSP being goon, and we have no feedback of any possible mafia power role doing anything. So i'm concluding they at least have to have something, so it could be the extra votes

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:01 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:57 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:34 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:38 am Gira
Rondo
Bereft
Ran

Abbi(Porscha)

Pyxxy
Dizzy?

Leetic*

Ted*

Dead town: robyn, mac
Dead mafia: TSP (ilario)

Hi WWA! Welcommen

Quick question: what kind of gameplay was TSP exhibiting that made your thread suspicious of him/got him yeeted? Your entrance really clears up my

Pushing anticonsensus reads
Ilario also never posted there
And people said TSP wolfy
But didn't vote him!

(2 posts remain)

Shoot, ok. You have even fewer posts than Robyn did. That’s annoying. Wonder if it has to do with how late you die. Like if you had died the next phase you would only have 2 posts, and on the 4th cycle only 1,

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:03 pm Town has a lot more power than I intuitively feel adequate based off what we've seen so I'm paranoid of wolves having something broken to compensate but it's outside of my control

Alexy double cleared not only because of the watcher but also receiving the vote, imo

Id argue I'm also double cleared for receiving the vote and us having confirmation Robyn was town (claimed by Delta and WWA)

Long Con safely cleared, somewhat. So-so. Due to WWA. Im just talking mech here ignoring the obvious social town reads

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:04 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:03 pm Town has a lot more power than I intuitively feel adequate based off what we've seen so I'm paranoid of wolves having something broken to compensate but it's outside of my control

Alexy double cleared not only because of the watcher but also receiving the vote, imo

Id argue I'm also double cleared for receiving the vote and us having confirmation Robyn was town (claimed by Delta and WWA)

Long Con safely cleared, somewhat. So-so. Due to WWA. Im just talking mech here ignoring the obvious social town reads

I don’t disagree you both are town, but why would you both be cleared for having an extra vote? What makes that a town ability to

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:23 pm Neighborhood but so far all alignments have matched

But yeah its good to keep in mind a town/mafia pairing isn't out if the question

Also I really really bet Jay didn't randomize the pairings. Porscha being Abi just makes sense, I can see Long Con being WWA too. All pairings make a lot of sense for Jay to think "this person reminds me of this person". It's so funny if he did that lmao

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:36 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:55 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:54 pm [VOTE: Ilario] aubergine sure

this is a towny vote

depending on PSV's flip, Long Con's self pres is towny

So more likely then not Long Con is towny here

On paper I thought so too, but check out Tutuu’s case here

It’s certainly

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:38 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:27 pm Delta claimed he has two possible wincons - survive and three different types of correct guesses on who gets chopped in both threads. He claimed that even if he dies, he can still win with the second wincon. If Delta was truthful he has no reason to not claim instantly, and immediately start giving us info on the other thresd. He loses nothing, he doesn't even need to be alive as claimed by him. Even if he is 3p he is lying about something, his play doesn't make sense for it to be truthful

His play being:

-hide the fact that hes 3p and pretend to be town out of survival, when he doesnt even need to survive

-choose to not immediately tell us mech info about other thread from day 1, when making friends with town sounds good for him to achieve wincon and to be left alone

-try to discourage people from voting him "zzz boring, lame, wagon on me stagnant" while claiming and pretending he doesn't need to be alive to win

Like sure, Delta could be 3p but I'm really confident he's lying about something. Chopping a person who claims town over chopping a person who claims non-town is an unnecessary risk. At worst chopping Delta we just lose a 3p that was never on our side, at worst chopping anyone else flips us a town and then we're further behind.

Unless we wanna argue Delta should be alive until the end of the game, I would argue it's optimal to resolve him asap and read his flip. It might help for the other players too, given that Delta claimed a PR and most if us are VTs

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:02 pm @potentialsheltervet WWA and I have determined that your counterpart is likely rondo.

Extra votes seem to come from top wagons on the opposite side. Ilario-TSP, Long Con-WWA, PSV-Rondo.... TSP, WWA, and Rondo got the extra vote.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:12 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:23 pm Neighborhood but so far all alignments have matched

But yeah its good to keep in mind a town/mafia pairing isn't out if the question

Also I really really bet Jay didn't randomize the pairings. Porscha being Abi just makes sense, I can see Long Con being WWA too. All pairings make a lot of sense for Jay to think "this person reminds me of this person". It's so funny if he did that lmao

Not me looking up the signups
I guess that would make me…like…Rondo? I