The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:44 am So I suppose this is as good of a time as any for me to ask.

'anyone got a 28 page tldr?'

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:17 pm With the condition "No more than one 'a' in the recipient's role name, and the recipient's role name cannot begin with 'K'."

...we can look at the following list of Rolenames:

Town Rolenames -

Isildur
Thranduil
Celeborn
Narvi
Disa
Arondir
Elrond
Elendil
Durin IV
Cirdan
Amdir
Celebrimbor
Glorfindel
Bronwyn
Durin III (MacDougall)
Celebrian

Gil-Galad
Tar-Minastir
Elanor Brandyfoot

Mafia Rolenames -

Annatar
Khamul
Witch-King of Angmar (Hollowkatt)
Ar-Pharazon

%%%

None of the mafia names fulfill the condition, and only three town names do.

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:17 pm With the condition "No more than one 'a' in the recipient's role name, and the recipient's role name cannot begin with 'K'."

...we can look at the following list of Rolenames:

Town Rolenames -

Isildur
Thranduil
Celeborn
Narvi
Disa
Arondir
Elrond
Elendil
Durin IV
Cirdan
Amdir
Celebrimbor
Glorfindel
Bronwyn
Durin III (MacDougall)
Celebrian

Gil-Galad
Tar-Minastir
Elanor Brandyfoot

Mafia Rolenames -

Annatar
Khamul
Witch-King of Angmar (Hollowkatt)
Ar-Pharazon

%%%

None of the mafia names fulfill the condition, and only three town names do.

There are further steps that could be taken in terms of claiming parts of the message from Moonwink to confirm enough town to win.

But beyond that, Scotty is one of the more suspicious people due to being in the three affected by Mar, and is EVEN MORE suspicious since he has studiously avoided making a claim about the message in Neighbour chat or in the thread, likely because it catches him out.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:46 pm If you think it's a bad idea just let me know.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 4:25 pm i think it pays off

@NotAnAxehole

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 4:34 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:46 pm If you think it's a bad idea just let me know.

I think it’s a bad idea.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:08 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:17 pm With the condition "No more than one 'a' in the recipient's role name, and the recipient's role name cannot begin with 'K'."

...we can look at the following list of Rolenames:

Town Rolenames -

Isildur
Thranduil
Celeborn
Narvi
Disa
Arondir
Elrond
Elendil
Durin IV
Cirdan
Amdir
Celebrimbor
Glorfindel
Bronwyn
Durin III (MacDougall)
Celebrian

Gil-Galad
Tar-Minastir
Elanor Brandyfoot

Mafia Rolenames -

Annatar
Khamul
Witch-King of Angmar (Hollowkatt)
Ar-Pharazon

%%%

None of the mafia names fulfill the condition, and only three town names do.

How are you counting? From my PoV all of Thranduil, Narvi, Disa, Arondir, Cirdan, Amdir, Celebrian satisfy the condition you gave. That's seven. o:

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 6:18 pm Wait, I know where I got confused. It was "no more than one a", but I forgot that also includes names WITHOUT and 'a', too. The seven I gave satisfy the condition one 'a', but doesn't start with K. That's why I'm getting more than 7 claims, but it makes sense now. My bad, lol.

Anyway, we can hammer Andres. I dunno why he hasn't been hammered? It looks like he's got enough votes.

(Though, I might actually read what Wilgy had to say about Andres before I add another vote on Andres.)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 6:24 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 6:18 pm Wait, I know where I got confused. It was "no more than one a", but I forgot that also includes names WITHOUT and 'a', too. The seven I gave satisfy the condition one 'a', but doesn't start with K. That's why I'm getting more than 7 claims, but it makes sense now. My bad, lol.

Anyway, we can hammer Andres. I dunno why he hasn't been hammered? It looks like he's got enough votes.

(Though, I might actually read what Wilgy had to say about Andres before I add another vote on Andres.)

It was just the quandary as to why Andres and not Porscha. HK's context set them in contention.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:18 pm Oh, also when looking at direct interactions.

JoH and Creature stand out.

The interaction between a tossed read on creature and a question poised by JoH that was responded to there's not much. If any avoidable interactions were forced, it was one of these two.

Unless someone tells me a reason otherwise.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:56 pm I hate how most of my suspects are voting Screen.

I’m kinda entirely serious about cleaning out the three low posters.

Starting to think the same tbh

[VOTE: Andresmvp] aubergine

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:56 pm I hate how most of my suspects are voting Screen.

I’m kinda entirely serious about cleaning out the three low posters.

Starting to think the same tbh

[VOTE: Andresmvp] aubergine

Is this a W/W interaction though? Individually, I think Creature's post here can come from either alignment. His playstyle shares some similarities with mine, especially in regard to using random votes to poke around. I'm further inclined to think this was a case of that since he switched his vote to HK by the end of the day.

If he is scum though, that probably means he abandoned the Andres wagon to bus his partner HK. Today, it looked like he abandoned his attempt to wagon Osie to vote for Andres. In this scenario though, I think Andres is town? Because Creature would still get towncred for bussing a partner as long as Andres get chopped at some point? I also think Osie would be town in this case, too, because there was a lot of resistance (including me) against voting Osie today.

I dunno though.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:18 pm Oh, also when looking at direct interactions.

JoH and Creature stand out.

The interaction between a tossed read on creature and a question poised by JoH that was responded to there's not much. If any avoidable interactions were forced, it was one of these two.

Unless someone tells me a reason otherwise.

I just remembered something.

At the end of D1, when we were close to voting HK over, Jack chose to vote for me in the last five minutes of the day instead of helping the people wagoning HK with another vote on him. He explained it away be saying that being open to vote for anyone is bad, and that his vote on me was a symbolic one.

However, he ends up voting for HK by the end of D2. Furthermore, didn't someone suggest that a ring might have been used on HK to get him to survive through the vote until the start of D3? Or was his delayed death caused by the mechanics of Doom's ring use?

Clarity stuck the councilor's mind the moment they left the forum. Is this the power of the Rings? Are a person's thoughts so easily muddled? Regardless, corrective action must be taken. A certain somebody was meant to die yesterday.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:40 pm If Andres flips mafia, I think it immediately clears Creature. And probably Jack, too? Because I don't think either of them bus their partners two days in a row. Annnnd, they've both been kinda pushing for Andres since yesterday?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:39 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:18 pm Oh, also when looking at direct interactions.

JoH and Creature stand out.

The interaction between a tossed read on creature and a question poised by JoH that was responded to there's not much. If any avoidable interactions were forced, it was one of these two.

Unless someone tells me a reason otherwise.

I just remembered something.

At the end of D1, when we were close to voting HK over, Jack chose to vote for me in the last five minutes of the day instead of helping the people wagoning HK with another vote on him. He explained it away be saying that being open to vote for anyone is bad, and that his vote on me was a symbolic one.

However, he ends up voting for HK by the end of D2. Furthermore, didn't someone suggest that a ring might have been used on HK to get him to survive through the vote until the start of D3? Or was his delayed death caused by the mechanics of Doom's ring use?

Besides the fact that mafia seemingly don’t have any way of killing besides corruption and NK, that’s the only way it could happen. Mafia definitely used that ring on HK.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:43 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:39 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:18 pm Oh, also when looking at direct interactions.

JoH and Creature stand out.

The interaction between a tossed read on creature and a question poised by JoH that was responded to there's not much. If any avoidable interactions were forced, it was one of these two.

Unless someone tells me a reason otherwise.

I just remembered something.

At the end of D1, when we were close to voting HK over, Jack chose to vote for me in the last five minutes of the day instead of helping the people wagoning HK with another vote on him. He explained it away be saying that being open to vote for anyone is bad, and that his vote on me was a symbolic one.

However, he ends up voting for HK by the end of D2. Furthermore, didn't someone suggest that a ring might have been used on HK to get him to survive through the vote until the start of D3? Or was his delayed death caused by the mechanics of Doom's ring use?

Besides the fact that mafia seemingly don’t have any way of killing besides corruption and NK, that’s the only way it could happen. Mafia definitely used that ring on HK.

Okay, this is what I thought. This is kiiiinda why I'm a little more hesitant to townread the people on HK's wagon from D2 than I am from D1. If the ring was used on HK, scum probably knew it, and might have been okay with HK getting yeeted since his death would get delayed a night.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:43 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:40 pm If Andres flips mafia, I think it immediately clears Creature. And probably Jack, too? Because I don't think either of them bus their partners two days in a row. Annnnd, they've both been kinda pushing for Andres since yesterday?

You seem to like to preemptively clear people.
Why is Creature cleared in this scenario? I don’t see it

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:49 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:43 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:40 pm If Andres flips mafia, I think it immediately clears Creature. And probably Jack, too? Because I don't think either of them bus their partners two days in a row. Annnnd, they've both been kinda pushing for Andres since yesterday?

You seem to like to preemptively clear people.
Why is Creature cleared in this scenario? I don’t see it

I like clearing people because I've found that it can influence what mafia does sometimes. If they keep me around, I tend to find that they'd rather not also bring someone I trust and can work with. Does that make any sense?

As for Creature... I feel that what I said is true just based on past experience with him, I think? Like... I wouldn't call Creature a practical player -- he can make plays sometimes that are just really bad for his alignment, just like me. Buuuut, like me, I think he knows his limit, and wouldn't willingly put himself into a position where he has to bus two partners in a row?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:55 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:49 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:43 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:40 pm If Andres flips mafia, I think it immediately clears Creature. And probably Jack, too? Because I don't think either of them bus their partners two days in a row. Annnnd, they've both been kinda pushing for Andres since yesterday?

You seem to like to preemptively clear people.
Why is Creature cleared in this scenario? I don’t see it

I like clearing people because I've found that it can influence what mafia does sometimes. If they keep me around, I tend to find that they'd rather not also bring someone I trust and can work with. Does that make any sense?

As for Creature... I feel that what I said is true just based on past experience with him, I think? Like... I wouldn't call Creature a practical player -- he can make plays sometimes that are just really bad for his alignment, just like me. Buuuut, like me, I think he knows his limit, and wouldn't willingly put himself into a position where he has to bus two partners in a row?

Yeah that makes sense. Usually when I hear the word clear, I expect it to be some undeniable mech thing, but looking at it as like ‘clear to me’ makes more sense. If a player is cleared, I want to just throw them in my knapsack and not worry about them any more.

That’s why NAA clearing himself made my eye twitch

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:30 pm I don't think "they wouldn't bus two partners in a row" really applies when it's andres who had made what, 3 posts coming into today?