Cartomancy [Game Over]

[robyn]

I’m not a fan of this last minute CFD, imo they so rarely catch mafia and I don’t trust most of the people on the splints wagon.

Unpack this lack of trust you have towards each voter please. I wish to see the degree to which this is true.

Voters:
Lucy: she’s a cleared civ, but I haven’t agreed on a lot of reads + I hate the idea of following them for being cleared.


RondoDimBuckle: The vibes are off. I also don’t like the lebel of hypothetical they’re playing at. I recognize this could be a play style clash but it seems like they’re trying to people up.

For example. He asked me which out of 5 are the most bad then wanted me to build a case. Well out of five I gave an answer, but that doesn’t mean I think any are bad per say.

Stay positive: they’ve been super present but I have zero memory of any posts. That isn’t someone I’d want to CFD with


MacDougall: imma not trust you until phase 2-3

Bereft: same as Stay positive but I can’t even recall seeing to them post and I’ve been fairly active.


Now I’m not saying they’re all or even that any are mafia. I just don’t support the wagon enough to change my vote

fascinating insight

[Creature]

I guess there's also the moon card that can instantly lynch the top wagon starting from D2.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Damn it Tutuu, I was doing a thing

[falcon45ca]

This game has all the traits of tvt violence and in a way that would be quite difficult for the mafia to justify getting involved in. Players like Wilgy, Roxy and Falcon are coming across like they have an obscene amount of town self entitlement even if I disagree with them (and was scumreading them), and on the flipside so does Baudib, Lucy etc.

What is the major hypotheses being debated?

Alison is mafia
Lucy should be trusted/listened to
A giant group of players who are opposite aligned to Alison are all scummy/bad/wrong/annoying

What is not being discussed?

Fingersplints is scummy as hell
Kate didn't get any townier at all
SPF's casing of Creature is being largely ignored and if he was town, I'd expect the mafia to be shining a lot on it
Tutuu/Neon capping early
Rondo's weird as hell holding of the Oracle claim

I am very tempted to townread and largely ignore everyone who is giving heaps of fucks about the former set of theorum and want to cast my glare at the people who are more passive at the moment, particularly those whose names are in the above.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This is a bit reactionary, but I don’t like Lucy’s insistence here it’s game over or “throwing” if Alison is voted. No one person is game ending.

fingersplints didnt you just tell me like 24 hours ago that you thought alison and baub were town vs town.....? so do u believe this and ur voting alison for the sake of proving a point to lucy? or do u actually sr alison now?

I did not plan on voting her at the time. I said I thought it was a playstyle clash. But I also think now one of those need to resolved or else it will plague us the entire game. And I like the posts of the other players with votes more than her.
And also yes, I disagree with Lucy’s posts

How can anyone read this justification and think that is legit?

I like this line of reasoning tbh. Mac's town cored til further notice

[RondoDimBuckle]

40 minutes out vote count

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[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: kate] aubergine

[Roxy]

@sig I did come back, you not reading beige giving thoughts is a bad look for you.

Lucy saying I was frozen is odd considering we had exchanges when I did come back and vote

[Roxy]

@sig I did come back, you not reading before giving thoughts is a bad look for you.

Lucy saying I was frozen is odd considering we had exchanges when I did come back and vote

Edited bwop

[RondoDimBuckle]

Just a reminder that there are two floating votes:

@Kate
@Porscha


vote before 15 minutes left or dont vote. After that I will consider you wolves

[Creature]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

[Dennis]

[VOTE: Baudib] aubergine

@Dennis - explain this vote please

A lot of his arguments are very ???? to me and rely almost completely on Alison being town. Which is like, what do you do if that person is bad as civ. Which is why I think it could be TMI.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

[staypositivefriend]

i was expecting this EOD to feel a little bit more ....contentious? there has barely been a consensus in this dayphase at all and usually the EODs in gamestates like these are very messy and all over the place. it feels weirdly calm to me

not sure exactly what that means but yeah

[staypositivefriend]

anyway im here until the EOD now at any rate

[staypositivefriend]

[VOTE: Baudib] aubergine

@Dennis - explain this vote please

A lot of his arguments are very ???? to me and rely almost completely on Alison being town. Which is like, what do you do if that person is bad as civ. Which is why I think it could be TMI.

can you show me an argument from him that you think is wolf indicative?

[robyn]

@sig I did come back, you not reading before giving thoughts is a bad look for you.

Lucy saying I was frozen is odd considering we had exchanges when I did come back and vote

Edited bwop

i was emulating reasoning...

[Porscha]

Sorry guys been busy all day and then got called into work
Who wants my sheep vote
Bark for me for my vote

[Dennis]

I have 1 other notif and then I'm not gonna catch up because we have 30 mins and I can't read like 4 pages that fast.

If there's and important posts please quote

[Creature]

i was expecting this EOD to feel a little bit more ....contentious? there has barely been a consensus in this dayphase at all and usually the EODs in gamestates like these are very messy and all over the place. it feels weirdly calm to me

not sure exactly what that means but yeah

Is finger even here?

[Creature]

tbh I also wanted to see Alison around

[Porscha]

Oracle mother tell me what to do

[Seanzie]

Sorry guys been busy all day and then got called into work
Who wants my sheep vote
Bark for me for my vote

*bark*

[Dennis]

[VOTE: Baudib] aubergine

You have me as scum lean yet you join me on a vote???

Why does my suspicion on you mean I can't find other people suspicious, and why does your vote matter at all

[robyn]

Oracle mother tell me what to do

vote splints thanks

[Creature]

Sorry guys been busy all day and then got called into work
Who wants my sheep vote
Bark for me for my vote

atm I'm finger > Alison > baudib

[Dennis]

Wait I just looked at the poll what the actual hell happened to get Splints 6 votes

Please I don't wanna reread that fast

[staypositivefriend]

i was expecting this EOD to feel a little bit more ....contentious? there has barely been a consensus in this dayphase at all and usually the EODs in gamestates like these are very messy and all over the place. it feels weirdly calm to me

not sure exactly what that means but yeah

maybe the problem is just that everyone postcapped themselves

[robyn]

It's just really really strange. I don't know how to unpack that in a game where Lucy is being treated as an inno child, and SPF and I are pretty well in our town meta, we're mostly being ignored while the syndicate meme gang all try to kill two players all three of us have been townreading strongly.

I'm just trying to think of a way that the continued existence of the Alison and Baudib wagons exists given the aforementioned and I think the correct answer is that it's either a mix of wrong town with opportunistic scum voting with the,. If Alison and Baudib are really mafia, there is enough town defense of them occurring and town trying to chop elsewhere for the mafia to have easily killed those wagons by now imo.

@Dennis important post

[RondoDimBuckle]

Sorry guys been busy all day and then got called into work
Who wants my sheep vote
Bark for me for my vote

what is your actual thoughts on the game instead of just sheeping? Maybe we should flash wagon porscha or creature (He is first to blink on finger wagon)

[VOTE: Baudib] aubergine

You have me as scum lean yet you join me on a vote???

Why does my suspicion on you mean I can't find other people suspicious, and why does your vote matter at all

Because If I am scum the person I am voting is more or less likely as town? You should have an opinion on who I vote if you think I am scum. You have an opinion on me it should effect your opinion on what I am doing and the fact that you match. This is a strange response @Kate unpack please

[Creature]

Wait I just looked at the poll what the actual hell happened to get Splints 6 votes

Please I don't wanna reread that fast

lucy happened

[Creature]

Maybe we should flash wagon porscha or creature (He is first to blink on finger wagon)

No, just no

[staypositivefriend]

fingersplints didnt you just tell me like 24 hours ago that you thought alison and baub were town vs town.....? so do u believe this and ur voting alison for the sake of proving a point to lucy? or do u actually sr alison now?

I did not plan on voting her at the time. I said I thought it was a playstyle clash. But I also think now one of those need to resolved or else it will plague us the entire game. And I like the posts of the other players with votes more than her.
And also yes, I disagree with Lucy’s posts

i'm voting fingersplints because she said that she thought alison and roxy were T v T but then positioned herself to vote alison anyway because the "wagons need to be resolved", which does not feel like a thought or an action that is likely to come from someone who has any actual interest in solving the game or pursuing her own reads

in fact, i want to say that if fingersplints is mafia then alison and roxy are both hard spewed town because this looks transparently like finger setting herself up to push on alison and roxy back to back

[staypositivefriend]

if anyone feels strongly that i should vote for someone that isn't splints, @ me and tell me why

[Dennis]

Sorry guys been busy all day and then got called into work
Who wants my sheep vote
Bark for me for my vote

what is your actual thoughts on the game instead of just sheeping? Maybe we should flash wagon porscha or creature (He is first to blink on finger wagon)

[VOTE: Baudib] aubergine

You have me as scum lean yet you join me on a vote???

Why does my suspicion on you mean I can't find other people suspicious, and why does your vote matter at all

Because If I am scum the person I am voting is more or less likely as town? You should have an opinion on who I vote if you think I am scum. You have an opinion on me it should effect your opinion on what I am doing and the fact that you match. This is a strange response @Kate unpack please

I don't have time to care about this rn

In my eyes I have set up a situation. If you're town then you're vote is OK. If you're mafia then you're either a.) Trying to get a townie killed or b.) Voting another wolf who you think is outed. And I think the chances of that are about equal so I didn't let it sway me

[Creature]

fingersplints didnt you just tell me like 24 hours ago that you thought alison and baub were town vs town.....? so do u believe this and ur voting alison for the sake of proving a point to lucy? or do u actually sr alison now?

I did not plan on voting her at the time. I said I thought it was a playstyle clash. But I also think now one of those need to resolved or else it will plague us the entire game. And I like the posts of the other players with votes more than her.
And also yes, I disagree with Lucy’s posts

i'm voting fingersplints because she said that she thought alison and roxy were T v T but then positioned herself to vote alison anyway because the "wagons need to be resolved", which does not feel like a thought or an action that is likely to come from someone who has any actual interest in solving the game or pursuing her own reads

in fact, i want to say that if fingersplints is mafia then alison and roxy are both hard spewed town because this looks transparently like finger setting herself up to push on alison and roxy back to back

Alright this is fair

[Dennis]

@staypositivefriend I saw your thing about ISOs gimme a minute

[Seanzie]

If it is tied when my computer says X:59, I'm going to ghostvote whichever wagon Lucy is on and then not move. I recommend others do the same.

[robyn]

@Baudib1 on splints

[staypositivefriend]

fingersplints didnt you just tell me like 24 hours ago that you thought alison and baub were town vs town.....? so do u believe this and ur voting alison for the sake of proving a point to lucy? or do u actually sr alison now?

I did not plan on voting her at the time. I said I thought it was a playstyle clash. But I also think now one of those need to resolved or else it will plague us the entire game. And I like the posts of the other players with votes more than her.
And also yes, I disagree with Lucy’s posts

i'm voting fingersplints because she said that she thought alison and roxy were T v T but then positioned herself to vote alison anyway because the "wagons need to be resolved", which does not feel like a thought or an action that is likely to come from someone who has any actual interest in solving the game or pursuing her own reads

in fact, i want to say that if fingersplints is mafia then alison and roxy are both hard spewed town because this looks transparently like finger setting herself up to push on alison and roxy back to back

in this world jack is almost definitely mafia too ftr.

[Creature]

Ugh I might get postcapped.

I think baudib's pretty pure. A lot of reputable players hard townread them and I've seen mostly sketchy players jumping on them.

I hard veto pushing a Porscha or me flashwagon. We should prob be easy to find later.

idk where I stand on Alison. I wish to see more from her.

[robyn]

@Porscha @Dennis @Creature onto roxy thanks

[Creature]

@Porscha @Dennis @Creature onto roxy thanks

Why? I thought you preferred fingersplints

[robyn]

@Porscha @Dennis @Creature onto roxy thanks

Why? I thought you preferred fingersplints

in an ideal world, where finger could possibly be unlynchable, i am trying to get a second wagon that isn't alison

[Creature]

@Porscha @Dennis @Creature onto roxy thanks

Why? I thought you preferred fingersplints

in an ideal world, where finger could possibly be unlynchable, i am trying to get a second wagon that isn't alison

Oh right that's a thing

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

[robyn]

@Porscha @Dennis @Creature onto roxy thanks

@Neon

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Porscha @Dennis @Creature onto roxy thanks

Why? I thought you preferred fingersplints

in an ideal world, where finger could possibly be unlynchable, i am trying to get a second wagon that isn't alison

host clarified, no lynch no second lynch, just bupkis. Alison will not be lynched

[robyn]

@Porscha @Dennis @Creature onto roxy thanks

Why? I thought you preferred fingersplints

in an ideal world, where finger could possibly be unlynchable, i am trying to get a second wagon that isn't alison

host clarified, no lynch no second lynch, just bupkis. Alison will not be lynched

ohhhh, that's quite good then

[robyn]

I have been asked this question privately, and I am going to answer it publicly. If the godfather has the most votes at the end of the day, the person with the second most votes will be eliminated in their place.

I apologize for delay, I've been dealing with some stuff since I got up.

Ok, someone pointed out a situation I hadn't considered, which I appreciate. Unfortunately there is a balance issue with the Godfather, so what will happen instead is no chop will happen if the Godfather is the leading wagon. However, once this happens, the night kill will be able to be carried out by any member of the mafia team from that point on.

I apologize profusely guys, for not noticing earlier. Please PM if you have questions.

TLDR:
Godfather/Zealot gets most votes = no chop and the kill is no longer exclusively carried out by Zealot.

[robyn]

yeah hmmm, everone on splints
@fingersplints what's up

[RondoDimBuckle]

yeah hmmm, everone on splints
@fingersplints what's up

I would prefer some waganomics so not everyone on splints. You gotta see where other people go and we need a viable second wagon at least