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Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:35 pm**

internally I just flipped from epig to jack tbh

but yea doesn't rly matter until I actually do the digging

I get to make an iso case from a previous phase this is dank

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:45 pm**

I promise 2 wall cases by midnight Pacific and the third by like 2pm Pacific

evaluating me before I make those cases may be a waste of time unless it's a confident townread xd

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:50 pm**

random thought I'll put in here without much context

I think in a radishes scum world he tmi'd both epi and Dom town so it has to be jack

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:56 pm**

I promise to just tell jokes and go off gut cause we’re at lylo numbers with one flip who iirc, none of us voted for.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:04 pm**

I feel like you're going for tone over substance in a scummy way

inb4 "have you met me"

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:19 pm**

Not that I am confident that we are even voting for a lynch anyway (

), but Jack is the only person I suspect after two Day phases of this bullshit.

Watch the person voted for get saved and the remaining three are trapped in REM forever (forced to listen to "Shiny Happy People" on repeat for all eternity).

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:41 pm**

[VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine

You're going to have to convince me to vote for either Dom or iaafr at this juncture.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:42 pm**

I’m obviously town but I have 3 lives so suspect me all you want.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:48 pm**

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:52 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:48 pm

Epi, Rorschach is a villain.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:58 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:17 pm I need to look up how they do the JGL rotating hotel fight scene cause it’s nuts and I don’t see any wires or convenient cuts.

it's a rotating room. also jgl is a thottie

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:23 pm ColinIsCool (Rej) - Could have been lynched
Dom - Here
Epignosis - Here
Evenstar - Probably not lynched
iaafr - Here
Jackofhearts2005 - Here
Master Radishes - Probably not lynched
Pawn Lelouch - Could have been lynched
sprityo - Could have been lynched

So final level is at least one of Eve, Radishes and probably two of Colin, Pawn, Sprityo and probably just one or two wolvesin the whole grouping.

I don't know what you are trying to say here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:42 pm I’m obviously town but I have 3 lives so suspect me all you want.

Why are you so sure of how this works?

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:05 pm**

I had a theory about how this works a few days ago.

Jack seems to know that's how it works.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:43 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:17 pm I need to look up how they do the JGL rotating hotel fight scene cause it’s nuts and I don’t see any wires or convenient cuts.
it's a rotating room. also jgl is a thottie

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:23 pm ColinIsCool (Rej) - Could have been lynched
Dom - Here
Epignosis - Here
Evenstar - Probably not lynched
iaafr - Here
Jackofhearts2005 - Here
Master Radishes - Probably not lynched
Pawn Lelouch - Could have been lynched
sprityo - Could have been lynched

So final level is at least one of Eve, Radishes and probably two of Colin, Pawn, Sprityo and probably just one or two wolvesin the whole grouping.
I don't know what you are trying to say here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:42 pm I’m obviously town but I have 3 lives so suspect me all you want.
Why are you so sure of how this works?

For real?

The entire point of inception is a group of people (let’s call them “the mafia”) go into a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream and change Killian Murphy’s mind. Meanwhile, someone is left at every level to “kick” the rest of the team, waking them up at the correct time.

D1, we lynched Drago and it said he woke up and he flipped. For those of us who recently watched the movie, this would be the “rainy van chase dream level.”

D2 we descended to a new dream level. Let’s call it “the hotel dream level.” We lynched presumably Nova and the mafia nightkilled presumably Nanook but they didn’t flip. They were “kicked.” I assume (and Colin said the same early yesterday) this means they were kicked awake back to the first dream level, back to the original thread.

D3 we descended to dream level 3 which we can call “the artic base dream level,” again leaving players behind. We seemingly lynched Colin or Pawn (I missed this bit, which might be why my chart is confusing) and the other was nightkilled. Again, they were described as “kicked,” not “woken up” and in theory have now woken up in the 2nd/hotel dream level.

D4, we have not changed threads. We’re still at the artic base while several players disappeared. It is very likely they went to “limbo” the final dream level.

Now. There is a wolf in limbo. The mafia’s goal (at least in the movie) is to send someone to limbo and do a thing. And there’s probably a wolf here based on us having a lynch (except I have since realized there is a no lynch option so there’s a chance to have no wolves here I guess.

So my chart was an attempt to figure out who might have gone to limbo and who didn’t because there’s at least one wolf in limbo. But we actually know it’s Eva, Radishes, Sprityo.

So that’s what I was trying to say and that’s why I think I have 3 lives. I think we all do. Death sends us from the artic to the hotel, again from the hotel to the rainy chase scene and once more to wake up and flip, leaving the game.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:50 pm**

I kind of wanna assume nl in 4 is correct on the chance we are all town

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:54 pm**

why is Dom town again, epi?

I have my own reasons but I waver on them. would like you to restate yours sometime.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:55 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:52 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:48 pm
Epi, Rorschach is a villain.

Greatest hero of all time.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:58 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:43 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:17 pm I need to look up how they do the JGL rotating hotel fight scene cause it’s nuts and I don’t see any wires or convenient cuts.
it's a rotating room. also jgl is a thottie

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:23 pm ColinIsCool (Rej) - Could have been lynched
Dom - Here
Epignosis - Here
Evenstar - Probably not lynched
iaafr - Here
Jackofhearts2005 - Here
Master Radishes - Probably not lynched
Pawn Lelouch - Could have been lynched
sprityo - Could have been lynched

So final level is at least one of Eve, Radishes and probably two of Colin, Pawn, Sprityo and probably just one or two wolvesin the whole grouping.
I don't know what you are trying to say here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:42 pm I’m obviously town but I have 3 lives so suspect me all you want.
Why are you so sure of how this works?
For real?

The entire point of inception is a group of people (let’s call them “the mafia”) go into a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream and change Killian Murphy’s mind. Meanwhile, someone is left at every level to “kick” the rest of the team, waking them up at the correct time.

D1, we lynched Drago and it said he woke up and he flipped. For those of us who recently watched the movie, this would be the “rainy van chase dream level.”

D2 we descended to a new dream level. Let’s call it “the hotel dream level.” We lynched presumably Nova and the mafia nightkilled presumably Nanook but they didn’t flip. They were “kicked.” I assume (and Colin said the same early yesterday) this means they were kicked awake back to the first dream level, back to the original thread.

D3 we descended to dream level 3 which we can call “the artic base dream level,” again leaving players behind. We seemingly lynched Colin or Pawn (I missed this bit, which might be why my chart is confusing) and the other was nightkilled. Again, they were described as “kicked,” not “woken up” and in theory have now woken up in the 2nd/hotel dream level.

D4, we have not changed threads. We’re still at the artic base while several players disappeared. It is very likely they went to “limbo” the final dream level.

Now. There is a wolf in limbo. The mafia’s goal (at least in the movie) is to send someone to limbo and do a thing. And there’s probably a wolf here based on us having a lynch (except I have since realized there is a no lynch option so there’s a chance to have no wolves here I guess.

So my chart was an attempt to figure out who might have gone to limbo and who didn’t because there’s at least one wolf in limbo. But we actually know it’s Eva, Radishes, Sprityo.

So that’s what I was trying to say and that’s why I think I have 3 lives. I think we all do. Death sends us from the artic to the hotel, again from the hotel to the rainy chase scene and once more to wake up and flip, leaving the game.

That's fun, but boy oh boy is that huge waste of my goddamn precious time.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:01 pm**

>calls something a waste of time in a forum mafia game he signed up for

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:02 pm**

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:54 pm why is Dom town again, epi?

I have my own reasons but I waver on them. would like you to restate yours sometime.

His role says so?

That's the why.

If you mean "Why do I think that," then it would be more difficult to explain. I think Dom and I have both matured in ways the two of us can appreciate, and I think we have more in common than either of us would admit. I simply see that coming to fruition in Mafia. I think Dom and I think similarly- we just reach different conclusions (see how he and I still had different opinions of you and Radishes, for instance, even though we agreed quite a bit about things).

Dom does not feel manipulative.

That said, nobody needs to be manipulative if Jack is right about the setup.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:03 pm**

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:01 pm >calls something a waste of time in a forum mafia game he signed up for

If all we are doing is sending people back "up" then, yes, I find that a waste of my time.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:04 pm**

are there any scum indicative signals you expect from scum Dom that have shown up or stayed absent?

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:04 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:03 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:01 pm >calls something a waste of time in a forum mafia game he signed up for
If all we are doing is sending people back "up" then, yes, I find that a waste of my time.

find it quite amusing this is your biggest complaint about the setup so far in contrast with my complaints

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:06 pm**

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:03 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:01 pm >calls something a waste of time in a forum mafia game he signed up for
If all we are doing is sending people back "up" then, yes, I find that a waste of my time.
find it quite amusing this is your biggest complaint about the setup so far in contrast with my complaints

This is my one complaint, yes- if true. I don't know if it's true.

You made a career out of complaining.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:07 pm**

to articulate one of the things I find scummy about Dom, it feels like he's forcing a lot of his suspicions and among the people he suspects, he views everything they do in as bad a light as possible (me, sprityo, Eva, pawn at the points he had his sights on us respectively) in a way that reads to me as scum shading more than organic suspicion

but yeah that's not really substantive enough to sus him hard on

will case later tonight, as I've said

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:07 pm**

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:04 pm are there any scum indicative signals you expect from scum Dom that have shown up or stayed absent?

No. Dom looks good to me.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:08 pm**

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:07 pm to articulate one of the things I find scummy about Dom, it feels like he's forcing a lot of his suspicions and among the people he suspects, he views everything they do in as bad a light as possible (me, sprityo, Eva, pawn at the points he had his sights on us respectively) in a way that reads to me as scum shading more than organic suspicion

but yeah that's not really substantive enough to sus him hard on

will case later tonight, as I've said

That's Dom, mate.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:10 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:52 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:48 pm
Epi, Rorschach is a villain.
Greatest hero of all time.

“No compromise, even in the face of armageddon” is a rather libertarian point of view, isn’t it?

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:11 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:10 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:52 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:48 pm
Epi, Rorschach is a villain.
Greatest hero of all time.
“No compromise, even in the face of armageddon” is a rather libertarian point of view, isn’t it?

I didn't call him a Libertarian. I called him a hero.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:11 pm**

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:12 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:06 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:03 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:01 pm >calls something a waste of time in a forum mafia game he signed up for
If all we are doing is sending people back "up" then, yes, I find that a waste of my time.
find it quite amusing this is your biggest complaint about the setup so far in contrast with my complaints
This is my one complaint, yes- if true. I don't know if it's true.

You made a career out of complaining.

roughly as much as you make a career of condescending

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:13 pm**

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:07 pm to articulate one of the things I find scummy about Dom, it feels like he's forcing a lot of his suspicions and among the people he suspects, he views everything they do in as bad a light as possible (me, sprityo, Eva, pawn at the points he had his sights on us respectively) in a way that reads to me as scum shading more than organic suspicion

but yeah that's not really substantive enough to sus him hard on

will case later tonight, as I've said

*stares in Jack and Pawn*

LOL

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:13 pm**

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:12 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:06 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:03 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:01 pm >calls something a waste of time in a forum mafia game he signed up for
If all we are doing is sending people back "up" then, yes, I find that a waste of my time.
find it quite amusing this is your biggest complaint about the setup so far in contrast with my complaints
This is my one complaint, yes- if true. I don't know if it's true.

You made a career out of complaining.
roughly as much as you make a career of condescending

I'm not fucking doing this.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:14 pm**

you don't have to do anything

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:15 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:13 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:07 pm to articulate one of the things I find scummy about Dom, it feels like he's forcing a lot of his suspicions and among the people he suspects, he views everything they do in as bad a light as possible (me, sprityo, Eva, pawn at the points he had his sights on us respectively) in a way that reads to me as scum shading more than organic suspicion

but yeah that's not really substantive enough to sus him hard on

will case later tonight, as I've said
*stares in Jack and Pawn*

LOL

not sure quite what youre referring to here

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:15 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:43 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:17 pm I need to look up how they do the JGL rotating hotel fight scene cause it’s nuts and I don’t see any wires or convenient cuts.
it's a rotating room. also jgl is a thottie

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:23 pm ColinIsCool (Rej) - Could have been lynched
Dom - Here
Epignosis - Here
Evenstar - Probably not lynched
iaafr - Here
Jackofhearts2005 - Here
Master Radishes - Probably not lynched
Pawn Lelouch - Could have been lynched
sprityo - Could have been lynched

So final level is at least one of Eve, Radishes and probably two of Colin, Pawn, Sprityo and probably just one or two wolvesin the whole grouping.
I don't know what you are trying to say here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:42 pm I’m obviously town but I have 3 lives so suspect me all you want.
Why are you so sure of how this works?
For real?

The entire point of inception is a group of people (let’s call them “the mafia”) go into a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream and change Killian Murphy’s mind. Meanwhile, someone is left at every level to “kick” the rest of the team, waking them up at the correct time.

D1, we lynched Drago and it said he woke up and he flipped. For those of us who recently watched the movie, this would be the “rainy van chase dream level.”

D2 we descended to a new dream level. Let’s call it “the hotel dream level.” We lynched presumably Nova and the mafia nightkilled presumably Nanook but they didn’t flip. They were “kicked.” I assume (and Colin said the same early yesterday) this means they were kicked awake back to the first dream level, back to the original thread.

D3 we descended to dream level 3 which we can call “the artic base dream level,” again leaving players behind. We seemingly lynched Colin or Pawn (I missed this bit, which might be why my chart is confusing) and the other was nightkilled. Again, they were described as “kicked,” not “woken up” and in theory have now woken up in the 2nd/hotel dream level.

D4, we have not changed threads. We’re still at the artic base while several players disappeared. It is very likely they went to “limbo” the final dream level.

Now. There is a wolf in limbo. The mafia’s goal (at least in the movie) is to send someone to limbo and do a thing. And there’s probably a wolf here based on us having a lynch (except I have since realized there is a no lynch option so there’s a chance to have no wolves here I guess.

So my chart was an attempt to figure out who might have gone to limbo and who didn’t because there’s at least one wolf in limbo. But we actually know it’s Eva, Radishes, Sprityo.

So that’s what I was trying to say and that’s why I think I have 3 lives. I think we all do. Death sends us from the artic to the hotel, again from the hotel to the rainy chase scene and once more to wake up and flip, leaving the game.
That's fun, but boy oh boy is that huge waste of my goddamn precious time.

There are 100 types of people in this world. Some of them don’t like games like Chicka Chicka 1-2-3 and some of them are primes.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:16 pm**

File this under "Don't put it on the Internet if you don't want us to see it."

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/JaggedJi ... e-history/

Date: Feb 2015

Moderators: JaggedJimmyJay and Sloonei

Winning faction: Scum

[deleted]: this was a great game. i think there were 20 or 25 players total. it basically went so that a handful players went into a "lower-level thread" each day and after 5 days they all went back to the the higher level thread. each thread would lynch one person, the top-level lynchee would die and the other ones would just go back to a lower thread. look, it sound more complicated than it really was. town was doing really well for a while but ultimately the wheels fell off and scum got the win. rdw was a rogue doing weird shit. there were a lot of posts. so many posts. i somehow figured out monkeyballs was scum but couldnt get anyone to believe me.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:22 pm**

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:15 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:13 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:07 pm to articulate one of the things I find scummy about Dom, it feels like he's forcing a lot of his suspicions and among the people he suspects, he views everything they do in as bad a light as possible (me, sprityo, Eva, pawn at the points he had his sights on us respectively) in a way that reads to me as scum shading more than organic suspicion

but yeah that's not really substantive enough to sus him hard on

will case later tonight, as I've said
*stares in Jack and Pawn*

LOL
not sure quite what youre referring to here

....I literally changed my opinion on Jack and Pawn yesterday based on evidence that came to light...

But you're projecting so

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:16 pm File this under "Don't put it on the Internet if you don't want us to see it."

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/JaggedJi ... e-history/

Date: Feb 2015

Moderators: JaggedJimmyJay and Sloonei

Winning faction: Scum

[deleted]: this was a great game. i think there were 20 or 25 players total. it basically went so that a handful players went into a "lower-level thread" each day and after 5 days they all went back to the the higher level thread. each thread would lynch one person, the top-level lynchee would die and the other ones would just go back to a lower thread. look, it sound more complicated than it really was. town was doing really well for a while but ultimately the wheels fell off and scum got the win. rdw was a rogue doing weird shit. there were a lot of posts. so many posts. i somehow figured out monkeyballs was scum but couldnt get anyone to believe me.

: O

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:23 pm**

I just don't quite remember the flips, you're not one of the people I isoed last night

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:23 pm**

flips on your reads that is

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:25 pm**

also certainly not projecting tunneling cuz I flip flopped on literally everybody except my one mech clear yesterday

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:26 pm**

I don't think that game description is worded accurately. What I would like is for each of you to tell me what you think it means.

That would give us some idea on how to proceed.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:31 pm**

also changing your reads at certain points doesnt contradict my description

my description is of how you treat your scumreads while you're scumreading them, not if/how you get the reads in the first place

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:33 pm**

If the interpretation is that the person voted for goes back up, I nominate iaafr.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:34 pm**

I agree tbh

let's do me

I changed my mind I'm not doing any cases

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:35 pm**

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:35 pm**

If that is the will of the council, I will vote iaafr.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:37 pm**

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:25 pm also certainly not projecting tunneling cuz I flip flopped on literally everybody except my one mech clear yesterday

....dude name one thing before today you have ever said was civ about me

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:26 pm I don't think that game description is worded accurately. What I would like is for each of you to tell me what you think it means.

That would give us some idea on how to proceed.

do you think lynches are out of the game and nightkills go up a level?
that seems unbalanced? I just don't get what happened to sprityo otherwise.
Unless he moved down a level?

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:39 pm**

Dom, that's why I'm asking for everyone's interpretations. If we can even somewhat parse what the setup is based on the information we have, then we might save ourselves some time, headache, and blood pressure medication.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:40 pm**

For example: If you do not believe what happens in here is a straight up lynch, then there is no reason to go about spending our time being accusatory.

But if you believe this is a lynch, then we need to be accusatory and go from there.

Posted: **Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:42 pm**

We may well be in a realm without stupid girls where we can drink beer* and make fart jokes** and watch sports.***

*Or Kool-Aid for iaafr

**Or jokes about straight people for Dom

***Or anime of Jack

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