JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:25 pm
@EnderWiggin if you do town read Rondo to whatever degree, and your reasoning doesn't entirely align with the broader perspectives that you have resisted -- could you describe what you do like?
I won't say a huge amount because I do have reads on Rondo that I'd prefer he wasn't aware of.
But that being said his treatment of me/Mac aligns with what I'd expect from town!Rondo.
The other side is that Rondo currently isn't trying to influence the wagon state with his vote or position, which either means a partner isn't on the chopping block or he's town.
And given I reckon we have a wolf up there that also helps.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:38 pm
That's one interpretation, sure. Another is "Mac has been townie, but I'm bothered by his bad read on me - he's usually better than this as town". What about Wilgy's behavior makes you interpret it the first way rather than the second?
That's also plausible. I'm a bit incredulous about "you should read me as town" as a general concept. Sometimes townies do have that kind of sense of entitlement when there's meta involved, and sometimes it's just bull. This is where the math dorks would say things like ">rand mafia". I don't know the math or what the ">rand" actually would be for such a thing, but I have a general impression.
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EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:33 am
The fact that I know him best and am not making a read should tell y'all to be more careful.
I actually do think Mac is right for now but Mac's confidence is very strong. I can tell you 100% that Rondo could fake this D1 as wolf, with the caveat that he hasn't wolfed in forum yet and I know he's not 100% confident he can do the same level of fakery first try.
But that being said he's very capable of it irl so benefit of the doubt means I'm wary to trust anything I'm not confident is town indicative of him.
You phrase this like Rondo has towntelled. You agree with Mac's townread of him but caution that he could fake it - which means that there is something to fake. What is the towntell you're referring to?
Rondo's exasperation at being correctly townread was a read I often used irl before he realised and learnt to fake it well enough to fool me.
The towntell Mac is using is near the same with regards to Rondo not liking Mac being able to accurately call him.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:34 am
I'm now 99% sure Boq is town.
I feel good about Boq too. His approach to reading Rondo was thoughtful, even if I didn't agree with it. He still feels unpartnered and like he's working alone.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:05 am
If I had to provide a GTH sorting of the game by a seven-player POE, this is about where I'd fall right now:
Names within groups aren't ordered. Not every name above the line is a confident one (e.g., Nate is an undeveloped read, but I give him the gut read nod). EnderWiggin is another challenge that I could stand to develop with an ISO.
Swap Wilgy for Rondo and this is a good reflection of where I stand right now.
You just spoke about how I am able to help you draw out town with my antics and you want to get rid of me? :think:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:25 pm
@EnderWiggin if you do town read Rondo to whatever degree, and your reasoning doesn't entirely align with the broader perspectives that you have resisted -- could you describe what you do like?
I won't say a huge amount because I do have reads on Rondo that I'd prefer he wasn't aware of.
But that being said his treatment of me/Mac aligns with what I'd expect from town!Rondo.
The other side is that Rondo currently isn't trying to influence the wagon state with his vote or position, which either means a partner isn't on the chopping block or he's town.
And given I reckon we have a wolf up there that also helps.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:37 am
I'd probs bet actual money Rondo is town here.
I do like to gamble though. But I'm pretty confident lol.
I find Mac mildly townie, but he's got a tone this game that I'm not used to that I want to keep an eye on. There are posts like this where he uses "lol" in his statements, something that lightens the conviction he had in them (which I get is an odd observation here given that it's added to a statement where he's talking about confidence), but additionally he's using other sentence add-ons like "though" and "but" back-to-back. I'm used to Mac speaking in facts, not considerations.
Anyway, just a note. I did go back through Ducktales Mafia to compare his posting there (a recent town game), Mac did use "lol" several times so maybe this observation isn't concerning. Also Mac caught falcon as scum Day 1 in that game, so his assertion here has some credibility.
This post is pretty townie.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
I'm around and catching up, I see some pings so I'll start there.
A few miscellaneous marbles that have been rolling around in my head in the meantime (these are just from memory, I can go back and find actual postnums if needed):
@JaggedJimmyJay - In your early post about things we should keep in mind for town success, was that just drawn from spectating this season or have you also played mountainous setups before?
Also I noticed that your "town leader" thread presence seemed to dip after Mac showed up (in my perception, anyway). Was that intentional, or am I just reading something into the vagaries of like, when people can be active in thread?
If Lucy's a wolf, I think she could be with Mac (but I don't think Lucy's a wolf). If Lucy's not a wolf, it's interesting to me that Seanzie picked her to focus on in Mac's list of town leans. @Seanzie - what was your thought process behind making sure Mac knew that Lucy had extensive discord mafia experience? (I also think it's interesting that Rondo +1'd Seanzie's fear that Lucy was being cleared too easily).
@lucy - Pretty early in Mac's thread entry, he said something in reply to you about your wolf partners, implying that you're a wolf. It seemed possibly like a reaction test to me, but there was no reaction. Did you see it at the time? He went on to townread you pretty soon after that so maybe it wasn't relevant anymore.
@MacDougall - How much have you played with Falcon? You seemed to vibe with my unease there, just wondering how much that's based on.
I thought I had caught Lucy in a slip but it was just us miscommunicating. We have resolved to not be enemies at least for now.
Also I note here that you didnt tag me even though you talk about me but took the time to tag other people. Oversight or choice?
I think I just tagged the people I had direct questions for so they'd see it, and I didn't really have a question for you, just an observation.
Could you let me know where your head is at in terms of reads? I know you did some bucket sorting at some point, but it has been a while and I feel like a lot has happened, so I'm curious where your head is at now.
Will do, I'm in the process of reading up on what I missed since last night.
The gang town reading DrWilgy ought to expand on that. I think he's a pretty critical slot to sort. @Alison and @Marmot I believe have given that read, maybe others
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:25 pm
@EnderWiggin if you do town read Rondo to whatever degree, and your reasoning doesn't entirely align with the broader perspectives that you have resisted -- could you describe what you do like?
I won't say a huge amount because I do have reads on Rondo that I'd prefer he wasn't aware of.
But that being said his treatment of me/Mac aligns with what I'd expect from town!Rondo.
The other side is that Rondo currently isn't trying to influence the wagon state with his vote or position, which either means a partner isn't on the chopping block or he's town.
And given I reckon we have a wolf up there that also helps.
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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:43 pm
Is there a town core yet?
Depends on who you ask. JJJ, Mac, Boquise, Lucy and to a lesser extent myself have all received mostly townreads, but everyone has at least one or two concerns expressed about them.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
I was hoping this would help me sort my thoughts better, and possibly give some insight into people I need to consider more. Unfortunately, I don't feel like it was as productive as I was hoping it would be. I do need to read Boq as I found myself sorting them more due to thread consensus than my own thoughts. I also should probably try to break that middle group up and narrow my south-of-null down into more clear suspects.
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:09 pm
GTH little-thoughts-knee-jerk sorted reads list. The big block in the middle is nullish. I did not sort within groups.
I was hoping this would help me sort my thoughts better, and possibly give some insight into people I need to consider more. Unfortunately, I don't feel like it was as productive as I was hoping it would be. I do need to read Boq as I found myself sorting them more due to thread consensus than my own thoughts. I also should probably try to break that middle group up and narrow my south-of-null down into more clear suspects.
I'm around and catching up, I see some pings so I'll start there.
A few miscellaneous marbles that have been rolling around in my head in the meantime (these are just from memory, I can go back and find actual postnums if needed):
@JaggedJimmyJay - In your early post about things we should keep in mind for town success, was that just drawn from spectating this season or have you also played mountainous setups before?
Also I noticed that your "town leader" thread presence seemed to dip after Mac showed up (in my perception, anyway). Was that intentional, or am I just reading something into the vagaries of like, when people can be active in thread?
If Lucy's a wolf, I think she could be with Mac (but I don't think Lucy's a wolf). If Lucy's not a wolf, it's interesting to me that Seanzie picked her to focus on in Mac's list of town leans. @Seanzie - what was your thought process behind making sure Mac knew that Lucy had extensive discord mafia experience? (I also think it's interesting that Rondo +1'd Seanzie's fear that Lucy was being cleared too easily).
@lucy - Pretty early in Mac's thread entry, he said something in reply to you about your wolf partners, implying that you're a wolf. It seemed possibly like a reaction test to me, but there was no reaction. Did you see it at the time? He went on to townread you pretty soon after that so maybe it wasn't relevant anymore.
@MacDougall - How much have you played with Falcon? You seemed to vibe with my unease there, just wondering how much that's based on.
Do you think Mac makes wolf partners jokes about someone more often when he's actually wolf partners with them?
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:09 pm
GTH little-thoughts-knee-jerk sorted reads list. The big block in the middle is nullish. I did not sort within groups.
I was hoping this would help me sort my thoughts better, and possibly give some insight into people I need to consider more. Unfortunately, I don't feel like it was as productive as I was hoping it would be. I do need to read Boq as I found myself sorting them more due to thread consensus than my own thoughts. I also should probably try to break that middle group up and narrow my south-of-null down into more clear suspects.
You think Ender is bussing his teammate?
Nah Seanzie wants to bus me so I'm letting him.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:09 pm
GTH little-thoughts-knee-jerk sorted reads list. The big block in the middle is nullish. I did not sort within groups.
I was hoping this would help me sort my thoughts better, and possibly give some insight into people I need to consider more. Unfortunately, I don't feel like it was as productive as I was hoping it would be. I do need to read Boq as I found myself sorting them more due to thread consensus than my own thoughts. I also should probably try to break that middle group up and narrow my south-of-null down into more clear suspects.
You think Ender is bussing his teammate?
I'm not really keen on consider associatives until at least one flip or elo. Also, Ender was voting me until recently and his thoughts on you were super flat.
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:38 pm
That's one interpretation, sure. Another is "Mac has been townie, but I'm bothered by his bad read on me - he's usually better than this as town". What about Wilgy's behavior makes you interpret it the first way rather than the second?
That's also plausible. I'm a bit incredulous about "you should read me as town" as a general concept. Sometimes townies do have that kind of sense of entitlement when there's meta involved, and sometimes it's just bull. This is where the math dorks would say things like ">rand mafia". I don't know the math or what the ">rand" actually would be for such a thing, but I have a general impression.
"Rand" is 3/15, since there's 3 mafia out of 15 players. If someone or something is >rand mafia, it means that they are more likely than the average player to be mafia.
I do think a sentiment like "you should have found me as town by now" is more plausible when it involves two players who have a rich history with each other, especially when the player who is expected to have the correct read is well-known for the quality of their reads.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:34 am
I'm now 99% sure Boq is town.
I feel good about Boq too. His approach to reading Rondo was thoughtful, even if I didn't agree with it. He still feels unpartnered and like he's working alone.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:05 am
If I had to provide a GTH sorting of the game by a seven-player POE, this is about where I'd fall right now:
Names within groups aren't ordered. Not every name above the line is a confident one (e.g., Nate is an undeveloped read, but I give him the gut read nod). EnderWiggin is another challenge that I could stand to develop with an ISO.
Swap Wilgy for Rondo and this is a good reflection of where I stand right now.
You just spoke about how I am able to help you draw out town with my antics and you want to get rid of me? :think:
Other people exhibiting thoughtful solving regarding you does not mean you are more likely to be town.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:51 pm
The gang town reading DrWilgy ought to expand on that. I think he's a pretty critical slot to sort. @Alison and @Marmot I believe have given that read, maybe others
Wilgy has not played this game the way I think he would as mafia. Boquise mentioned earlier that he was townreading Rondo in part because Rondo seemed to be attacking people and had no interest in making friends despite his (formerly) precarious thread position, suggesting that he cares more about the truth of people's alignments than in staying alive. I think a similar argument applies to Wilgy; his aggression against a widely-townread, power-town Mac was a bold move, and I think it was a result of an authentic thought process more than a scheme to wriggle out of trouble. As discussed earlier, it's quite plausible to me that his indignation about Mac scumreading him comes from a sense of townie entitlement. He has focused his solving around the people voting him, which I think is a natural thing to do in his position (the person being pushed usually has the best perspective on who is doing it for nefarious reasons).
One concern I have about Wilgy is that his solving feels a tad shallow. But this concern is outweighed by the townieness of his approach (outlined above), so I townread him overall.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
@EnderWiggin Did you ever explain your original fingersplints push by the way? I think I asked you about it (well, obliquely, in that I wondered aloud why you haven't done anything with it) in the same post I asked you about your Rondo read, which you did respond to.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:51 pm
The gang town reading DrWilgy ought to expand on that. I think he's a pretty critical slot to sort. @Alison and @Marmot I believe have given that read, maybe others
Wilgy has not played this game the way I think he would as mafia. Boquise mentioned earlier that he was townreading Rondo in part because Rondo seemed to be attacking people and had no interest in making friends despite his (formerly) precarious thread position, suggesting that he cares more about the truth of people's alignments than in staying alive. I think a similar argument applies to Wilgy; his aggression against a widely-townread, power-town Mac was a bold move, and I think it was a result of an authentic thought process more than a scheme to wriggle out of trouble. As discussed earlier, it's quite plausible to me that his indignation about Mac scumreading him comes from a sense of townie entitlement. He has focused his solving around the people voting him, which I think is a natural thing to do in his position (the person being pushed usually has the best perspective on who is doing it for nefarious reasons).
One concern I have about Wilgy is that his solving feels a tad shallow. But this concern is outweighed by the townieness of his approach (outlined above), so I townread him overall.
Have you ever seen WIlgy this OMGUS'y and reactionary? I feel like any time I've seen them, their solving and posts seem to be pretty independent of what people think of them.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:51 pm
The gang town reading DrWilgy ought to expand on that. I think he's a pretty critical slot to sort. @Alison and @Marmot I believe have given that read, maybe others
Wilgy has not played this game the way I think he would as mafia. Boquise mentioned earlier that he was townreading Rondo in part because Rondo seemed to be attacking people and had no interest in making friends despite his (formerly) precarious thread position, suggesting that he cares more about the truth of people's alignments than in staying alive. I think a similar argument applies to Wilgy; his aggression against a widely-townread, power-town Mac was a bold move, and I think it was a result of an authentic thought process more than a scheme to wriggle out of trouble. As discussed earlier, it's quite plausible to me that his indignation about Mac scumreading him comes from a sense of townie entitlement. He has focused his solving around the people voting him, which I think is a natural thing to do in his position (the person being pushed usually has the best perspective on who is doing it for nefarious reasons).
One concern I have about Wilgy is that his solving feels a tad shallow. But this concern is outweighed by the townieness of his approach (outlined above), so I townread him overall.
Have you ever seen WIlgy this OMGUS'y and reactionary? I feel like any time I've seen them, their solving and posts seem to be pretty independent of what people think of them.
Yes, he once threw a LyLo becauase he was upset that I suspected him the previous day phase and snap voted me. So him OMGUSing does not raise any red flags for me.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:28 pm[VOTE:
Dyslexicon] aubergine
Why Dizzy?
Are you going to believe my reasoning if I say it or are you just looking for more things to try sussing me for?
tbd
Reasoning for vote is tbd.
Do you have a reason for avoiding so many questions?
There are questions I either believe it better for town I don't answer (I'm doing a reaction test or something) or I don't have an answer to (Pressing buttons to see what happens) or I don't think it will help gamestate if I do answer.
Any of the above three categories are the reasons. If it fits in there I'm gonna just file it away.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:51 pm
The gang town reading DrWilgy ought to expand on that. I think he's a pretty critical slot to sort. @Alison and @Marmot I believe have given that read, maybe others
Wilgy has not played this game the way I think he would as mafia. Boquise mentioned earlier that he was townreading Rondo in part because Rondo seemed to be attacking people and had no interest in making friends despite his (formerly) precarious thread position, suggesting that he cares more about the truth of people's alignments than in staying alive. I think a similar argument applies to Wilgy; his aggression against a widely-townread, power-town Mac was a bold move, and I think it was a result of an authentic thought process more than a scheme to wriggle out of trouble. As discussed earlier, it's quite plausible to me that his indignation about Mac scumreading him comes from a sense of townie entitlement. He has focused his solving around the people voting him, which I think is a natural thing to do in his position (the person being pushed usually has the best perspective on who is doing it for nefarious reasons).
One concern I have about Wilgy is that his solving feels a tad shallow. But this concern is outweighed by the townieness of his approach (outlined above), so I townread him overall.
So if it works for wiggly, why doesnt it work for me?
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:38 pm
@EnderWiggin Did you ever explain your original fingersplints push by the way? I think I asked you about it (well, obliquely, in that I wondered aloud why you haven't done anything with it) in the same post I asked you about your Rondo read, which you did respond to.
It was mostly to put pressure on for her return to see what she did with it.
I didn't answer well earlier because reading "Oh yeah I'm just putting pressure on" is different to the possibility someone has a scumread on you.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:08 am
switching my vote to falcon
i was thinking about doing it earlier
i think wilgy is sus but i think falcon is sussier
I haven't felt swayed on falcon in one direction or the other since I gave my initial read on him.
Wilgy is in my POE.
I'd just like to point out, again, that I have been right on Falcon dating back about 20 games straight, as multiple alignments, including correctly reading him as independent once.
I guess you can ignore my ping about how much you've played with Falcon.
I'm around and catching up, I see some pings so I'll start there.
A few miscellaneous marbles that have been rolling around in my head in the meantime (these are just from memory, I can go back and find actual postnums if needed):
@JaggedJimmyJay - In your early post about things we should keep in mind for town success, was that just drawn from spectating this season or have you also played mountainous setups before?
Also I noticed that your "town leader" thread presence seemed to dip after Mac showed up (in my perception, anyway). Was that intentional, or am I just reading something into the vagaries of like, when people can be active in thread?
If Lucy's a wolf, I think she could be with Mac (but I don't think Lucy's a wolf). If Lucy's not a wolf, it's interesting to me that Seanzie picked her to focus on in Mac's list of town leans. @Seanzie - what was your thought process behind making sure Mac knew that Lucy had extensive discord mafia experience? (I also think it's interesting that Rondo +1'd Seanzie's fear that Lucy was being cleared too easily).
@lucy - Pretty early in Mac's thread entry, he said something in reply to you about your wolf partners, implying that you're a wolf. It seemed possibly like a reaction test to me, but there was no reaction. Did you see it at the time? He went on to townread you pretty soon after that so maybe it wasn't relevant anymore.
@MacDougall - How much have you played with Falcon? You seemed to vibe with my unease there, just wondering how much that's based on.
Do you think Mac makes wolf partners jokes about someone more often when he's actually wolf partners with them?
I don't have any Mac meta, but it was more that it was a poke with no followup or response on his way to a town read. But Lucy's answered her side of that (that she didn't respond because she didn't see it as genuine / thought it was just fishing for a reaction). And in my catchup I came across their back-and-forth where Mac was pushing her on whether she had reads or not, which seems unpartnered and like Mac is trying to get a better sense of what to expect from her.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:20 pm
@NateTheLesser
I have played a small number of mountainous games. My initial call to town for mountainous preparedness was mostly inspired by spectating champs (indeed my playing the game at all is also inspired by that). I am broadly known as a balancing nut as a host too, however, and I am always pretty conscious of how a game is balanced and what it will take to overcome imbalance.
As for your question about leadership: I dunno. I am here as ever before. Perhaps the rest of the game has accelerated around me, so in a sense that has lessened my perceived “dominance”. That’s an arrogant word, but you know what I mean. Mac’s involvement has definitely added gas to the game.
Mac is gassy, yes. I guess the vibe read behind my question was that if you/Mac are different alignments I'd expect some jockeying for thread control, which I didn't see.
I'm around and catching up, I see some pings so I'll start there.
A few miscellaneous marbles that have been rolling around in my head in the meantime (these are just from memory, I can go back and find actual postnums if needed):
@JaggedJimmyJay - In your early post about things we should keep in mind for town success, was that just drawn from spectating this season or have you also played mountainous setups before?
Also I noticed that your "town leader" thread presence seemed to dip after Mac showed up (in my perception, anyway). Was that intentional, or am I just reading something into the vagaries of like, when people can be active in thread?
If Lucy's a wolf, I think she could be with Mac (but I don't think Lucy's a wolf). If Lucy's not a wolf, it's interesting to me that Seanzie picked her to focus on in Mac's list of town leans. @Seanzie - what was your thought process behind making sure Mac knew that Lucy had extensive discord mafia experience? (I also think it's interesting that Rondo +1'd Seanzie's fear that Lucy was being cleared too easily).
@lucy - Pretty early in Mac's thread entry, he said something in reply to you about your wolf partners, implying that you're a wolf. It seemed possibly like a reaction test to me, but there was no reaction. Did you see it at the time? He went on to townread you pretty soon after that so maybe it wasn't relevant anymore.
@MacDougall - How much have you played with Falcon? You seemed to vibe with my unease there, just wondering how much that's based on.
I am to reading Falcon what Ronaldo is to football
I'm around and catching up, I see some pings so I'll start there.
A few miscellaneous marbles that have been rolling around in my head in the meantime (these are just from memory, I can go back and find actual postnums if needed):
@JaggedJimmyJay - In your early post about things we should keep in mind for town success, was that just drawn from spectating this season or have you also played mountainous setups before?
Also I noticed that your "town leader" thread presence seemed to dip after Mac showed up (in my perception, anyway). Was that intentional, or am I just reading something into the vagaries of like, when people can be active in thread?
If Lucy's a wolf, I think she could be with Mac (but I don't think Lucy's a wolf). If Lucy's not a wolf, it's interesting to me that Seanzie picked her to focus on in Mac's list of town leans. @Seanzie - what was your thought process behind making sure Mac knew that Lucy had extensive discord mafia experience? (I also think it's interesting that Rondo +1'd Seanzie's fear that Lucy was being cleared too easily).
@lucy - Pretty early in Mac's thread entry, he said something in reply to you about your wolf partners, implying that you're a wolf. It seemed possibly like a reaction test to me, but there was no reaction. Did you see it at the time? He went on to townread you pretty soon after that so maybe it wasn't relevant anymore.
@MacDougall - How much have you played with Falcon? You seemed to vibe with my unease there, just wondering how much that's based on.
I had thought Lucy was new to mafia for a good part of the early game. Something Mac did made me think that maybe he had misread in the same way as me, so I let him know. I don't think I feared Lucy being cleared to easily; I think she is fine thus far. Instead, I think it is important for everyone to be playing with correct information so they can make the best decisions they can and to avoid misunderstandings that arise from misinformation.
Oh, I misread part of your initial post which made me not respond to something I should have.
As far as why I asked Mac about Lucy specifically was because Mac said something like "Everyone here has done something that I'd expect of them if they were town", and listed a bunch of people that I know Mac knows well, and then Lucy, which I thought it was very likely that Mac had never played with Lucy since I kinda doubt Mac plays discord games and I don't think he was in Champs. So Mac saying Lucy had done something he'd expect Lucy to do as if he had meta on Lucy raised a red flag in my brain.
This is a good point, Did Mac talk about it? I might have missed it
I kinda think that there is a necessary auto period here.
Like there is a line and those below it have to all die before those above it because if the mafia are all above it the game is already over and we are wasting our time and that's very unlikely.
Line
Dyslexicon
Creature
Falcon
DrWilgy
For some reason I don't want to put Fingersplints below the line. I think Dyslexicon has the most chance of being town but I can't reasonably put him above it.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:53 am
I glanced at DrWilgy's ISO and have a firm townread there.
I glanced at falcon's too and don't have a firm townread, but I'm not ready to call him scum yet. I'll probably defer to Mac's read since he's so consistent at reading him.
Can you expand on your Wilgy townread? (If you already did I'll find it)
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