Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 3]
Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:52 pm
I'm still willing to consider hally I tried to ask you if you were considering her and you said no.
what? that’s not what she was sayingsabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:14 amSo you believe hally is town because cayvie scumread them and hyena? She townread you so by that logic you must be scum then.
i thought mist was saying that the way cayvie lumped me in with hyena was indicative of us being the same alignment, so since hyena was town im town too. and cayvie was trying to benefit from us sr’ing each other early by reinforcing it and sr’ing us toosabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:37 amWhat I meant was that mist had a couple of times said that kill analysis says it's probably not me but now says it must be sabie. Mists reason for townreading you is that cayvie had the same read on you and hyena so you must be the same alignment but cayvie and mist were townreading each other. That doesn't feel legitimate to me but what do I know?Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:06 amok this is better. at least i can kinda see where your head is nowsabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:49 amYes yes I'm working on it. I'm re-reading through things and I mean the most obvious answer is mist.Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:37 am@sabie12 can you answer the bolded?Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:20 ambut you didn’t hard defend cayvie. you had some soft defenses mixed with some suspicion. overall i would characterize your stance on cayvie as hedging and reluctant suspicion, not blatant defense. and the former does fit the mold of scum who sees their teammate getting rung up D1sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:06 pm As scum I also am not big on blatantly defending teammates. I would not have made those posts about cayvie if we were teammates. I can see a world where its hally and a world where its mist.
Did hally bus on purpose to get the vengeful kill or did mist defend cayvie on purpose and randomly vote me to get votes off cayvie?
but anyway, lets talk. walk me through the two worlds from your pov. what does the world where mist is scum look like? what things make that likely? what things make it unlikely? and same for me. what things needed to happen for me to be scum? what things make it likely/unlikely?
also, independent of cayvie interactions, how do you read mist and me?
Mist defends cayvie and randomly votes me with little reasoning. Then starts townreading me. Then goes back to suspecting me. Mist also defends and townreads hally. Mist says cayvies case against hally is legit but also hally is town. Cayvie also townreads mist. Mist also makes it a point to bring up that it doesn't make sense for me to kill off the people who townread me which is true that doesn't make sense. So mist buddying both of us to see which of us to convince to vote off the other.
I guess the main negative against you hally at this point from what I've been reading is the push on MP in the last poll after she accused you.
i don’t feel like mist is or was buddying you. i wouldn’t characterize her briefly swinging to tr’ing you buddying, and she hasn’t been shy about pushing you here in lylo. i think if she’s scum she’s already figured her best chance to win is to just hope i vote you as opposed to convincing you to vote me. and likewise i think you’ve already decided if you’re scum that you can only win by convincing me to vote mist. it seems pretty clear to me that whichever of you is the wolf doesn’t view me as a viable push, and that’s kinda making it harder for me to decide here because im not able to see if im being pushed in bad faith by one of you when i’m not really getting pushed
but anyway, that was a tangent. main point was that i don’t think your characterization of what mist is doing is accurate. she’s kept her options open much less than you have. she already has a vote down on you and has shown little to no interest in entertaining me as scum. so i don’t think its true that she’s keeping her options open or buddying both of us?
also re: me and mp, my push on her was really more based on what i wrongly thought were very scummy interactions and progression on cayvie. her push on me was a small part of my sr on her but it was really more what i found in my reread of D1 that made me vote her. you can go back and look at my analysis D2 if you truly have doubts that my push was in good faith
what made you vote mist here? i feel like you just did it because i was saying you were treading water/didn’t seem to want to make a decisionsabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:08 amThis still is my thought I guess.sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:27 amThe thing about mist is they came in said I was weird for not understanding the IC thing and then drive by voted me and left. Mists post after cayvie was yeeted was "weh". ...? Is that like sadface? After catching a mafia? So mist and cayvie have that interaction regarding the vengeful thing and then cayvie disappeared and mist was left alone and had to randomly try to come up with some other idea of where to vote and just picked me. Could be that I mean it seems like the most obvious answer but we do have time discuss further if that's not what happened.Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:12 am Ok, thanks.
So to answer MP7 now: my take on Sabie's defensiveness is that it is a good look. Her statements re: her stance on cayvie are true and consistent with frustration at being lumped in as "defending cayvie," which from her perspective is an inaccurate characterization that she is fighting back at being pinned with. I was aware of this at the time I initially put forth that characterization, as a hypothesis test to see how Sabie would respond to it.
I think she responded in a consistent and towny fashion. Currently I believe Sabie the most out of the three non-cayvie-voters, making her the one that I do NOT wish to yeet. There is some chance that she is playing this off to deflect and hedge, but it is exactly what I would expect from town in her spot.
(Additionally I do not buy the argument brought against Sabie by Mist yesterday, regarding confusion over IC claims being "the most suspicious thing in the thread." I find that also believable for town and not very scummy if at all. That argument being weak is another part of why my current suspicious lie on Mist and MP7.)
So there's a hot take for y'all. Bedtime for me now.
Sorry my cases aren't fancy enough for people or I don't talk enough or whatever. The way I've played this game is not at all how I would play as scum but people don't know that and I can't blame you. Whoever the remaining scum is has to make me seem sketchy for their own purposes and that's the game so I can't be mad about it.
I think the answer is mist and I have to make a decision. [VOTE: mist] aubergine for now. I'll spend more time reading and thinking about it again tomorrow but that's my thoughts. Phone is dying.
i’m getting that sense too. feels like she’s taken a hard turn to pushing on you more out of necessity as opposed to a natural progressionMistyx wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:39 am okay yeah im like
95% sure it’s sabie
she came into today saying she was considering between me and hally so i decided to downplay my consideration of hally to see how she’d react
after i started pushing her she started pushing me much harder and stopped really considering hally because she thought i was always voting her
are you willing to consider me though? because in your other post you seemed to be kinda dismissive of the possibility im scum. like you had one line about me saying that the main thing against me is my mp push but it doesn’t seem like you really are considering me? which is kinda weird because you sr me earlier in the game
I've already explained why I voted mist and then you still ask why did I vote mist. I was willing to consider you as an option if mist had any further ideas but they continue to mot have any so I don't know.Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:34 pmwhat made you vote mist here? i feel like you just did it because i was saying you were treading water/didn’t seem to want to make a decisionsabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:08 amThis still is my thought I guess.sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:27 amThe thing about mist is they came in said I was weird for not understanding the IC thing and then drive by voted me and left. Mists post after cayvie was yeeted was "weh". ...? Is that like sadface? After catching a mafia? So mist and cayvie have that interaction regarding the vengeful thing and then cayvie disappeared and mist was left alone and had to randomly try to come up with some other idea of where to vote and just picked me. Could be that I mean it seems like the most obvious answer but we do have time discuss further if that's not what happened.Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:12 am Ok, thanks.
So to answer MP7 now: my take on Sabie's defensiveness is that it is a good look. Her statements re: her stance on cayvie are true and consistent with frustration at being lumped in as "defending cayvie," which from her perspective is an inaccurate characterization that she is fighting back at being pinned with. I was aware of this at the time I initially put forth that characterization, as a hypothesis test to see how Sabie would respond to it.
I think she responded in a consistent and towny fashion. Currently I believe Sabie the most out of the three non-cayvie-voters, making her the one that I do NOT wish to yeet. There is some chance that she is playing this off to deflect and hedge, but it is exactly what I would expect from town in her spot.
(Additionally I do not buy the argument brought against Sabie by Mist yesterday, regarding confusion over IC claims being "the most suspicious thing in the thread." I find that also believable for town and not very scummy if at all. That argument being weak is another part of why my current suspicious lie on Mist and MP7.)
So there's a hot take for y'all. Bedtime for me now.
Sorry my cases aren't fancy enough for people or I don't talk enough or whatever. The way I've played this game is not at all how I would play as scum but people don't know that and I can't blame you. Whoever the remaining scum is has to make me seem sketchy for their own purposes and that's the game so I can't be mad about it.
I think the answer is mist and I have to make a decision. [VOTE: mist] aubergine for now. I'll spend more time reading and thinking about it again tomorrow but that's my thoughts. Phone is dying.
like why did you vote her at this point in time? and how confident are you in your vote?
72 hrs might have made the urgency less but i’m not sure because some people were so busy that they probably wouldn’t have been able to play had the phases been shorter
because i couldn’t vengekill myself and you seemed like a good choice you were on cayvie, sr by her and pretty widely tr so i thought it was a kill i could get away with. was honestly expecting people to be more sus of the fact that i wasn’t vengekilled despite being the main one pushing cayvie
gg, i really enjoyed playing with youM Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:26 am Congrats to Hally, you earned it absolutely.
I don't feel at all happy with my performance this game and I don't really want to talk about it. I wish I could have better communicated some of my thoughts and I consistently felt like I couldn't work with anyone but I take the burden of that and I never felt like I could settle into anything. I am not emotionally in a good enough place to be playing mafia apparently, despite the fact that it's served a solid place in my life even in many times where I have been in a similar state. I'm sorry for my part in making anything uncomfortable for anyone.
I still appreciate Alison for hosting and to fellow players for giving this a try. I think the 72-hour cycles were an original appeal of the game because I thought I certainly couldn't play anything else and I don't think anything went wrong per se.
Nah it's okay I just got frustrated that I kept trying to bring up the possibility the bus was planned and no one would listen to me about it.