The Syndicate

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:34 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:07 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:06 pm What an event. Also im honestly surprised thgere wasnt some kind of protection on seanzie.

I'm sorry what?

seanzie felt town by the end of d1? or was that just me?

I didn't think so but neon seemed more town toward the end.

Hi Kate I'm not sure we've ever played before except maybe GOC this year. What's your hottest of hot takes? Got anything spicy you want to say but don't have the opportunity, here you go

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:44 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:34 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:07 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:06 pm What an event. Also im honestly surprised thgere wasnt some kind of protection on seanzie.

I'm sorry what?

seanzie felt town by the end of d1? or was that just me?

I didn't think so but neon seemed more town toward the end.

ehhh but neon is also a good miselimination for their focus on the puppet account.

Also seanzie death confirms more puppet accounts can exist

neon is a more astute townie than that, maybe something to look at. I'll give her a read later tonight with some thoughts

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:14 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:10 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:08 pm Ya know if you ISO CR and do a word search for "Jack", you'll get 20 matches...and almost none of them have anything to do at all with actually reading Jack or engaging with him

Ahem I voted Jack before EOD1 and am voting them now. That should make it pretty obvious Jack is in my PoE.

Yes, but why? Your vote for him now seems to be based off "Let's get the CW to green flip"...and I'm just wondering if there's actually something behind your SR of Jack beyond that.





I thought he was fairly towny last RD

Is that right? Are you claiming info on Jack that clears them?

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:47 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:45 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:11 pm Interesting Pxy who died last night was a Jack voter. Again, unless there is info pointing otherwise. Jack is the optimal execution. Knowing the alignments of the EoD1 leading wagons would be the most helpful to town.

Is this the extent of your SR on Jack...lynch all CWs to town flips?

Jack is still in my PoE. Having them as the counter wagon to a flipped town is a bonus reason to vote them out, seeing as vigis provided they exist didn't kill their slot.

i can atleast admit the fact that people moved off jack near the end does make me suspect the counter wagon being mafia.

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:21 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:14 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:10 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:08 pm Ya know if you ISO CR and do a word search for "Jack", you'll get 20 matches...and almost none of them have anything to do at all with actually reading Jack or engaging with him

Ahem I voted Jack before EOD1 and am voting them now. That should make it pretty obvious Jack is in my PoE.

Yes, but why? Your vote for him now seems to be based off "Let's get the CW to green flip"...and I'm just wondering if there's actually something behind your SR of Jack beyond that.





I thought he was fairly towny last RD

Is that right? Are you claiming info on Jack that clears them?

And now he's fishing for roles




[VOTE: CR] aubergine

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm jack should always flip here and i think he might've tmi'ed sig town as creature or someone implied and had my general worldview be incorrect, either way i'm gonna do more town leadery stuff this cycle

i'm gonna reread d1 tonight

@CRichard what's your read on me/creature/dunya

You town
Creature town
Dunya town.

Could you elaborate on dunya

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:21 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:14 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:10 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:08 pm Ya know if you ISO CR and do a word search for "Jack", you'll get 20 matches...and almost none of them have anything to do at all with actually reading Jack or engaging with him

Ahem I voted Jack before EOD1 and am voting them now. That should make it pretty obvious Jack is in my PoE.

Yes, but why? Your vote for him now seems to be based off "Let's get the CW to green flip"...and I'm just wondering if there's actually something behind your SR of Jack beyond that.





I thought he was fairly towny last RD

Is that right? Are you claiming info on Jack that clears them?

And now he's fishing for roles




[VOTE: CR] aubergine

That has to be the worst reason to vote me by far.
Did you catch the FoL townplay virus by chance?

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm jack should always flip here and i think he might've tmi'ed sig town as creature or someone implied and had my general worldview be incorrect, either way i'm gonna do more town leadery stuff this cycle

i'm gonna reread d1 tonight

@CRichard what's your read on me/creature/dunya

You town
Creature town
Dunya town.

Could you elaborate on dunya

Their posts don't come across as mafia making stuff up. Especially the one on Scraggy being a town forced to claim 3p, feels too outlandish to make if they were mafia.

Oh man I got low motivation for today

but yeah I think Jack should be the lynch to resolve the wagons and also I found Jack pretty wolfy last EOD

I am also concerned about CRichard (or was it someone else I missed?) moving his vote off Jack near EOD, but I am not sure how damning that is because idk if CRichard would do that as wolf when that would heavily incriminate him

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:58 am Roxy is town.

W Roxy would've bit their fangs into me easily.

Good one down.

Probably unpairs Roxy/Wilgy. It's doubtful Wilgy if mafia outs a read on their partner like this, especially unprompted.

Probs yeah

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm jack should always flip here and i think he might've tmi'ed sig town as creature or someone implied and had my general worldview be incorrect, either way i'm gonna do more town leadery stuff this cycle

i'm gonna reread d1 tonight

@CRichard what's your read on me/creature/dunya

You town
Creature town
Dunya town.

Could you elaborate on dunya

I would imagine a world where lucy, dunya, and creature are all town is a world where one of them dies last night.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:32 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm jack should always flip here and i think he might've tmi'ed sig town as creature or someone implied and had my general worldview be incorrect, either way i'm gonna do more town leadery stuff this cycle

i'm gonna reread d1 tonight

@CRichard what's your read on me/creature/dunya

You town
Creature town
Dunya town.

Could you elaborate on dunya

I would imagine a world where lucy, dunya, and creature are all town is a world where one of them dies last night.

To me, that's nearly guaranteed especially if Jack is mafia.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:32 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm jack should always flip here and i think he might've tmi'ed sig town as creature or someone implied and had my general worldview be incorrect, either way i'm gonna do more town leadery stuff this cycle

i'm gonna reread d1 tonight

@CRichard what's your read on me/creature/dunya

You town
Creature town
Dunya town.

Could you elaborate on dunya

I would imagine a world where lucy, dunya, and creature are all town is a world where one of them dies last night.

Which one do you think is mostly likely bad in that case?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:27 pm Oh man I got low motivation for today

but yeah I think Jack should be the lynch to resolve the wagons and also I found Jack pretty wolfy last EOD

I am also concerned about CRichard (or was it someone else I missed?) moving his vote off Jack near EOD, but I am not sure how damning that is because idk if CRichard would do that as wolf when that would heavily incriminate him

Good look for Creature, as if they're mafia they would probably just go with lunch my slot train for voting on a mislunch.

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:25 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:21 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:14 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:10 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:08 pm Ya know if you ISO CR and do a word search for "Jack", you'll get 20 matches...and almost none of them have anything to do at all with actually reading Jack or engaging with him

Ahem I voted Jack before EOD1 and am voting them now. That should make it pretty obvious Jack is in my PoE.

Yes, but why? Your vote for him now seems to be based off "Let's get the CW to green flip"...and I'm just wondering if there's actually something behind your SR of Jack beyond that.





I thought he was fairly towny last RD

Is that right? Are you claiming info on Jack that clears them?

And now he's fishing for roles




[VOTE: CR] aubergine

That has to be the worst reason to vote me by far.
Did you catch the FoL townplay virus by chance?

You have been discrediting a lot of people suspicions on you like this. I remember you said someone claiming you were TMI'ing someone town and you said it was a bad reason because we didn't have a chance to use night abilities yet, which completely ignored that mafia knows who is town. I find it alarming how you try to shut down people's suspicions instead of at least trying to explain yourself

I think that might be a little hard to read because I keep pausing, sorry there's a baby trying to eat my foot at the moment

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:14 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:10 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:08 pm Ya know if you ISO CR and do a word search for "Jack", you'll get 20 matches...and almost none of them have anything to do at all with actually reading Jack or engaging with him

Ahem I voted Jack before EOD1 and am voting them now. That should make it pretty obvious Jack is in my PoE.

Yes, but why? Your vote for him now seems to be based off "Let's get the CW to green flip"...and I'm just wondering if there's actually something behind your SR of Jack beyond that.





I thought he was fairly towny last RD

its quite normal to wanna go after the counter wagon, also CR is pretty head strong on their read. My problem with jack as of currently is the timing of the train disolving.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:27 pm Oh man I got low motivation for today

but yeah I think Jack should be the lynch to resolve the wagons and also I found Jack pretty wolfy last EOD

I am also concerned about CRichard (or was it someone else I missed?) moving his vote off Jack near EOD, but I am not sure how damning that is because idk if CRichard would do that as wolf when that would heavily incriminate him

Also doesnt make sense for CR to move off of jack just to go back to suispecting him on d2, theres no worlds where those 2 are Mafia together, either town together or one is mafia.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:30 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:58 am Roxy is town.

W Roxy would've bit their fangs into me easily.

Good one down.

Probably unpairs Roxy/Wilgy. It's doubtful Wilgy if mafia outs a read on their partner like this, especially unprompted.

Probs yeah

is this a meta thing? cause why can't this be something that constitues mafia vs mafia

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:38 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:25 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:21 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:14 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:10 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:08 pm Ya know if you ISO CR and do a word search for "Jack", you'll get 20 matches...and almost none of them have anything to do at all with actually reading Jack or engaging with him

Ahem I voted Jack before EOD1 and am voting them now. That should make it pretty obvious Jack is in my PoE.

Yes, but why? Your vote for him now seems to be based off "Let's get the CW to green flip"...and I'm just wondering if there's actually something behind your SR of Jack beyond that.





I thought he was fairly towny last RD

Is that right? Are you claiming info on Jack that clears them?

And now he's fishing for roles




[VOTE: CR] aubergine

That has to be the worst reason to vote me by far.
Did you catch the FoL townplay virus by chance?

You have been discrediting a lot of people suspicions on you like this. I remember you said someone claiming you were TMI'ing someone town and you said it was a bad reason because we didn't have a chance to use night abilities yet, which completely ignored that mafia knows who is town. I find it alarming how you try to shut down people's suspicions instead of at least trying to explain yourself

Ahem I have explained myself. It's your problem if you refuse to read my explanations.

And I've made it 100% clear where I'm at that TMI accusations D1 are completely meaningless with no flips.
TMI can only be seen in hindsight after flip/s, not before flip/s.

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:34 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:32 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm jack should always flip here and i think he might've tmi'ed sig town as creature or someone implied and had my general worldview be incorrect, either way i'm gonna do more town leadery stuff this cycle

i'm gonna reread d1 tonight

@CRichard what's your read on me/creature/dunya

You town
Creature town
Dunya town.

Could you elaborate on dunya

I would imagine a world where lucy, dunya, and creature are all town is a world where one of them dies last night.

To me, that's nearly guaranteed especially if Jack is mafia.

I can see how you get there, my thought process is why, if all three are town, did one of them not get whacked last night over pxxy. I still haven't read them, probs should do that

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:34 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:32 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm jack should always flip here and i think he might've tmi'ed sig town as creature or someone implied and had my general worldview be incorrect, either way i'm gonna do more town leadery stuff this cycle

i'm gonna reread d1 tonight

@CRichard what's your read on me/creature/dunya

You town
Creature town
Dunya town.

Could you elaborate on dunya

I would imagine a world where lucy, dunya, and creature are all town is a world where one of them dies last night.

Which one do you think is mostly likely bad in that case?

I have no idea I'm basically working 100% of meta and personal experiences with them. They're all incredibly strong players who absolutely can take over a game and a savvy wolf team would be aware of that. I am absolutely not accusing any of them specifically of being a wolf. I am very specifically saying a world where they're all town I'd expect them to die very early.

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:49 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:38 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:25 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:21 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:14 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:10 pm

Ahem I voted Jack before EOD1 and am voting them now. That should make it pretty obvious Jack is in my PoE.

Yes, but why? Your vote for him now seems to be based off "Let's get the CW to green flip"...and I'm just wondering if there's actually something behind your SR of Jack beyond that.





I thought he was fairly towny last RD

Is that right? Are you claiming info on Jack that clears them?

And now he's fishing for roles




[VOTE: CR] aubergine

That has to be the worst reason to vote me by far.
Did you catch the FoL townplay virus by chance?

You have been discrediting a lot of people suspicions on you like this. I remember you said someone claiming you were TMI'ing someone town and you said it was a bad reason because we didn't have a chance to use night abilities yet, which completely ignored that mafia knows who is town. I find it alarming how you try to shut down people's suspicions instead of at least trying to explain yourself

Ahem I have explained myself. It's your problem if you refuse to read my explanations.

i mean regardless, mafia always have tmi. You can't really dimiss that lmfao. Actually not true if your a traitor that doesn't know your teammates. but whatevs

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:51 pm And I've made it 100% clear where I'm at that TMI accusations D1 are completely meaningless with no flips.
TMI can only be seen in hindsight after flip/s, not before flip/s.

almost certian u have no idea what tmi is cr LOL

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:51 pm And I've made it 100% clear where I'm at that TMI accusations D1 are completely meaningless with no flips.
TMI can only be seen in hindsight after flip/s, not before flip/s.

So I think I see where you're coming from with this. You're saying the claims can only come after because they don't know if the person you could be TMI'ing is town or not, so the claim has to come after. The problem I have with that is that if the way you claim to townread someone is bogus, or the reason you defend someone is bogus, then it still is suspicious because your reasoning does not equal the effort you put in.

For example, in my first game, lawyers guns and money, I had TMI because I had a green peek on someone who was the top wagon, and I wasn't allowed to infodump or roleclaim. I defended them pretty valiantly on the basis that 'I'm not gonna let someone I think is town get voted without a fight', and the majority of people realized and called me out that I had TMI before the flip. Which got me suspicion after they flipped green, because it looked like I did that so after they flipped I would look good.

The point is, the town flip only confirms, or furthers suspicions. The flip should not be necessary for suspicions to at least be valid.

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:34 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:32 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm jack should always flip here and i think he might've tmi'ed sig town as creature or someone implied and had my general worldview be incorrect, either way i'm gonna do more town leadery stuff this cycle

i'm gonna reread d1 tonight

@CRichard what's your read on me/creature/dunya

You town
Creature town
Dunya town.

Could you elaborate on dunya

I would imagine a world where lucy, dunya, and creature are all town is a world where one of them dies last night.

Which one do you think is mostly likely bad in that case?

can everyone answer this, thanks

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:14 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:34 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:32 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm jack should always flip here and i think he might've tmi'ed sig town as creature or someone implied and had my general worldview be incorrect, either way i'm gonna do more town leadery stuff this cycle

i'm gonna reread d1 tonight

@CRichard what's your read on me/creature/dunya

You town
Creature town
Dunya town.

Could you elaborate on dunya

I would imagine a world where lucy, dunya, and creature are all town is a world where one of them dies last night.

Which one do you think is mostly likely bad in that case?

can everyone answer this, thanks

if i had to pick out of those 3 who looks bad, its prob you.

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:14 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:34 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:32 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm jack should always flip here and i think he might've tmi'ed sig town as creature or someone implied and had my general worldview be incorrect, either way i'm gonna do more town leadery stuff this cycle

i'm gonna reread d1 tonight

@CRichard what's your read on me/creature/dunya

You town
Creature town
Dunya town.

Could you elaborate on dunya

I would imagine a world where lucy, dunya, and creature are all town is a world where one of them dies last night.

Which one do you think is mostly likely bad in that case?

can everyone answer this, thanks

I probably kill in the order you -> dunya -> creature

You, because you have been pretty out of your town meta so far. Not leading like normal. But you said you would try this day so I'm looking out for that

Dunya next because she showed up, planted her vote and then I don't think came back. I never was online with her or had an interaction but she still voted me on 'he hasn't lived up to what I expected'

Creature is just the last remaining person tbh I haven't seen anything funky from him

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:48 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:30 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:58 am Roxy is town.

W Roxy would've bit their fangs into me easily.

Good one down.

Probably unpairs Roxy/Wilgy. It's doubtful Wilgy if mafia outs a read on their partner like this, especially unprompted.

Probs yeah

is this a meta thing? cause why can't this be something that constitues mafia vs mafia

Why would maf wigly say that about maf roxy? that's the point crich is trying to make here.

no, it's not a meta thing specific to wigly it's a meta thing specific to the game of mafia, if one of them flips this is the type of post that then points back to the other one and can lead town to runner runner wolf chops.

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:51 pm And I've made it 100% clear where I'm at that TMI accusations D1 are completely meaningless with no flips.
TMI can only be seen in hindsight after flip/s, not before flip/s.

I strongly disagree with that assertion mostly because I've been caught and chopped for D1 TMI before. It's about how the player approaches the other slot(s) in question, not about the flips

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:09 pm Another reason to vote out Jack, is that we can probably clear their voters in the world they are mafia.
If Jack otoh is town, then the odds are 1 wolf voted on Jack, another on Seanzie and the rest were off both wagons.

That's an awfully big, and detailed, assumption to make. How are you so specific? And do you think he's bad and you want to solve him or just the latter. I'm not a huge fan of eliminating people just "for their solve."

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:21 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:48 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:30 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:58 am Roxy is town.

W Roxy would've bit their fangs into me easily.

Good one down.

Probably unpairs Roxy/Wilgy. It's doubtful Wilgy if mafia outs a read on their partner like this, especially unprompted.

Probs yeah

is this a meta thing? cause why can't this be something that constitues mafia vs mafia

Why would maf wigly say that about maf roxy? that's the point crich is trying to make here.

no, it's not a meta thing specific to wigly it's a meta thing specific to the game of mafia, if one of them flips this is the type of post that then points back to the other one and can lead town to runner runner wolf chops.

ehh ill def keep this in mind, but i wouldnt trust a read like that in f3

It's an educated assumption, based on how mafia tends to react with town/town or town/mafia wagons. Which we won't know either way without flipping Jack.
I had a game offsite, in which flipping the counterwagon to mafia even though they were town would have probably resulted in a town win.

for the record dennis is obvs town

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:22 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:51 pm And I've made it 100% clear where I'm at that TMI accusations D1 are completely meaningless with no flips.
TMI can only be seen in hindsight after flip/s, not before flip/s.

I strongly disagree with that assertion mostly because I've been caught and chopped for D1 TMI before. It's about how the player approaches the other slot(s) in question, not about the flips

Clearly we don't have the same experience with TMI here.
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of times I've been accused of TMi, is when I'm town.

@Dennis what's ur mom read

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:23 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:21 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:48 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:30 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:58 am Roxy is town.

W Roxy would've bit their fangs into me easily.

Good one down.

Probably unpairs Roxy/Wilgy. It's doubtful Wilgy if mafia outs a read on their partner like this, especially unprompted.

Probs yeah

is this a meta thing? cause why can't this be something that constitues mafia vs mafia

Why would maf wigly say that about maf roxy? that's the point crich is trying to make here.

no, it's not a meta thing specific to wigly it's a meta thing specific to the game of mafia, if one of them flips this is the type of post that then points back to the other one and can lead town to runner runner wolf chops.

ehh ill def keep this in mind, but i wouldnt trust a read like that in f3

throw out all your reads in F3 and start over. My point here is it's a weird post for wolf wigly to make regarding his wolf partner roxy. It doesn't hard unpair them for me like it does crich but it does make me stop and think that there's likely only one baddie between the two of them, if there is one at all.

regardless it's not a place I'd want to look at the moment anyways.

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:26 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:22 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:51 pm And I've made it 100% clear where I'm at that TMI accusations D1 are completely meaningless with no flips.
TMI can only be seen in hindsight after flip/s, not before flip/s.

I strongly disagree with that assertion mostly because I've been caught and chopped for D1 TMI before. It's about how the player approaches the other slot(s) in question, not about the flips

Clearly we don't have the same experience with TMI here.
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of times I've been accused of TMi, is when I'm town.

by other townies or by baddies?

just ftr i have an ic mechanic which has great risk but clears me

also jdizz locktown since he'd get wolves to chop me n1

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:14 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:34 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:32 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:13 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm jack should always flip here and i think he might've tmi'ed sig town as creature or someone implied and had my general worldview be incorrect, either way i'm gonna do more town leadery stuff this cycle

i'm gonna reread d1 tonight

@CRichard what's your read on me/creature/dunya

You town
Creature town
Dunya town.

Could you elaborate on dunya

I would imagine a world where lucy, dunya, and creature are all town is a world where one of them dies last night.

Which one do you think is mostly likely bad in that case?

can everyone answer this, thanks

GTH I'd say Dunya. Mainly because my reasons to have Dunya as town are the weakest out of you three.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:28 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:26 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:22 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:51 pm And I've made it 100% clear where I'm at that TMI accusations D1 are completely meaningless with no flips.
TMI can only be seen in hindsight after flip/s, not before flip/s.

I strongly disagree with that assertion mostly because I've been caught and chopped for D1 TMI before. It's about how the player approaches the other slot(s) in question, not about the flips

Clearly we don't have the same experience with TMI here.
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of times I've been accused of TMi, is when I'm town.

by other townies or by baddies?

By other townies. Mafia almost never accuse people of TMI from experience.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:39 am

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:33 am Well it's bed time for me.
In seriousness, Seanzie not being towny to my knowledge and yet isn't the top wagon is noteworthy.
It doesn't mean lol!Lock mafia, yet it's nagl as the kids would say.

you and creature sussing seanzie for not lock towning himself immediately a few hours into d1 has been noted

if this post didn't exist I'd be voting dunya but it does so I'm not. it's hands down the most townie thing she's said the entire game.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:19 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:34 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:07 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:06 pm What an event. Also im honestly surprised thgere wasnt some kind of protection on seanzie.

I'm sorry what?

seanzie felt town by the end of d1? or was that just me?

I didn't think so but neon seemed more town toward the end.

Hi Kate I'm not sure we've ever played before except maybe GOC this year. What's your hottest of hot takes? Got anything spicy you want to say but don't have the opportunity, here you go

Well hello there! Yes I believe our only game was GOC!

Yesterday my biggest sus was Neon but she seemed to turn on the civviness toward EOD. I'm still iffy on her.

I also asked people looking to lay off Dennis bc he seemed civ and quiet to me and I know him irl really well lol. But I want to see more of him today. Pretty much same with Rox. She's not a high poster but she can do more than this.

I don't see the suspish on Jack really at all and got a definite civ vibe from him yesterday.

Right now crichard has my eye the most and I'm wondering how and why he could pinpoint wolf activity based on a theoretical townie flip. The idea of working out this plan doesn't seem town favorable.

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:04 pm Seanzie's flip as town is disappointing. Unless anyone has an objection, Jack's flip will give us the most info on what the mafia were doing at EoD1.

Seanzies flip town was the most obvious flip coming in any game ever and you all killing them was bad.

But it's okay cause you're still a wolf.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:30 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:19 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:34 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:07 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:06 pm What an event. Also im honestly surprised thgere wasnt some kind of protection on seanzie.

I'm sorry what?

seanzie felt town by the end of d1? or was that just me?

I didn't think so but neon seemed more town toward the end.

Hi Kate I'm not sure we've ever played before except maybe GOC this year. What's your hottest of hot takes? Got anything spicy you want to say but don't have the opportunity, here you go

Well hello there! Yes I believe our only game was GOC!

Yesterday my biggest sus was Neon but she seemed to turn on the civviness toward EOD. I'm still iffy on her.

I also asked people looking to lay off Dennis bc he seemed civ and quiet to me and I know him irl really well lol. But I want to see more of him today. Pretty much same with Rox. She's not a high poster but she can do more than this.

I don't see the suspish on Jack really at all and got a definite civ vibe from him yesterday.

Right now crichard has my eye the most and I'm wondering how and why he could pinpoint wolf activity based on a theoretical townie flip. The idea of working out this plan doesn't seem town favorable.

what felt townie/good about neon during EOD? I haven't read much of the game beyond the last couple of posts of EOD and Dunyas ISO. Speaking of EOD I think the sus on Jack is that he hard pushed seanzie who flipped town and never wavered as the timer ticked down. I can see how people can interpret that as a railroad type chop as opposed to a hard wolf read. Crich makes me nervous based on that and the way he's playing "lets talk more about mafia theory than individual players" but that's also something he just kinda does some times.

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:33 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:04 pm Seanzie's flip as town is disappointing. Unless anyone has an objection, Jack's flip will give us the most info on what the mafia were doing at EoD1.

Seanzies flip town was the most obvious flip coming in any game ever and you all killing them was bad.

But it's okay cause you're still a wolf.

we always flip jack first and i'm not confident on cr being a wolf

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:33 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:04 pm Seanzie's flip as town is disappointing. Unless anyone has an objection, Jack's flip will give us the most info on what the mafia were doing at EoD1.

Seanzies flip town was the most obvious flip coming in any game ever and you all killing them was bad.

But it's okay cause you're still a wolf.

neon baby talk to me what's up gimme the straight skinny on who's a baddie here.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:34 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:07 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:06 pm What an event. Also im honestly surprised thgere wasnt some kind of protection on seanzie.

I'm sorry what?

seanzie felt town by the end of d1? or was that just me?

I didn't think so but neon seemed more town toward the end.

Seanzie was obv town in their towniest town meta... like I said... despite them tunneling me.

cause I kinda wanna kill dunya and I think someone should talk me off the cliff there. Or join me I guess that's fine too.

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:35 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:34 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:07 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:06 pm What an event. Also im honestly surprised thgere wasnt some kind of protection on seanzie.

I'm sorry what?

seanzie felt town by the end of d1? or was that just me?

I didn't think so but neon seemed more town toward the end.

Seanzie was obv town in their towniest town meta... like I said... despite them tunneling me.

Anyone with experience with Sean should have realized that frankly.