Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[Funnygurl555]

why is sprityo being scumread

pls explain thanks

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I kind of thought kitsushels miller claim was weird

Tell me more!

Not a lot more to it. I found it weird they didn't know they were a miller before others started talking about it and the way it was worded. Though I realize that might just be how they post and didn't realize what the term was before.

Worth asking:

Are y'all millers explicitly *millers*, or are you something like this:

"You are a civilian. If you are investigated by an alignment checker, you will appear to be aligned with the mafia."

I realize these things are functionally equivalent.

[TonyStarkPrime]

it can stay well if people react to pressure better lol
given I should probably eat my own words

did anyone even react to my Tony vote?

@TonyStarkPrime whaddya got

oh I was gonna ask him why, he might have answered after this. I’ll catch up and see.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

why is sprityo being scumread

pls explain thanks

His hunting doesn't inspire me -- it's driven by the miller claims, and he has kept his vote plopped on Tony among them for much of the day so far. I don't know why it should be Tony, why sprityo cares, or what's going on in his head.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I kind of thought kitsushels miller claim was weird

Tell me more!

Not a lot more to it. I found it weird they didn't know they were a miller before others started talking about it and the way it was worded. Though I realize that might just be how they post and didn't realize what the term was before.

Worth asking:

Are y'all millers explicitly *millers*, or are you something like this:

"You are a civilian. If you are investigated by an alignment checker, you will appear to be aligned with the mafia."

I realize these things are functionally equivalent.

The latter ish, This makes Sabie town even though she’s presenting a bad read

[Hally]

I kind of thought kitsushels miller claim was weird

Tell me more!

Not a lot more to it. I found it weird they didn't know they were a miller before others started talking about it and the way it was worded. Though I realize that might just be how they post and didn't realize what the term was before.

to clarify, the word “miller” did not appear in my role. i was told if im coped i come up scum, but thats all. if kitsu’s role is the same, she still might not know that miller = her role if shes unfamiliar with the term

does that make sense?

[Hally]

I kind of thought kitsushels miller claim was weird

Tell me more!

Not a lot more to it. I found it weird they didn't know they were a miller before others started talking about it and the way it was worded. Though I realize that might just be how they post and didn't realize what the term was before.

to clarify, the word “miller” did not appear in my role. i was told if im coped i come up scum, but thats all. if kitsu’s role is the same, she still might not know that miller = her role if shes unfamiliar with the term

does that make sense?

[Hally]

I kind of thought kitsushels miller claim was weird

Tell me more!

Not a lot more to it. I found it weird they didn't know they were a miller before others started talking about it and the way it was worded. Though I realize that might just be how they post and didn't realize what the term was before.

Worth asking:

Are y'all millers explicitly *millers*, or are you something like this:

"You are a civilian. If you are investigated by an alignment checker, you will appear to be aligned with the mafia."

I realize these things are functionally equivalent.

for me, the latter

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The latter ish, This makes Sabie town even though she’s presenting a bad read

Agreed.

[Hally]

I kind of thought kitsushels miller claim was weird

Tell me more!

Not a lot more to it. I found it weird they didn't know they were a miller before others started talking about it and the way it was worded. Though I realize that might just be how they post and didn't realize what the term was before.

Worth asking:

Are y'all millers explicitly *millers*, or are you something like this:

"You are a civilian. If you are investigated by an alignment checker, you will appear to be aligned with the mafia."

I realize these things are functionally equivalent.

The latter ish, This makes Sabie town even though she’s presenting a bad read

why does it make her town?

[Spacedaisy]

I kind of thought kitsushels miller claim was weird

Tell me more!

Not a lot more to it. I found it weird they didn't know they were a miller before others started talking about it and the way it was worded. Though I realize that might just be how they post and didn't realize what the term was before.

to clarify, the word “miller” did not appear in my role. i was told if im coped i come up scum, but thats all. if kitsu’s role is the same, she still might not know that miller = her role if shes unfamiliar with the term

does that make sense?

This is how i understood what kits was saying and why the claim looks genuine to me

[Epignosis]

I find it hard to believe that a civilian Long Con just blows the hell up like that without even asking me any questions or anything. Straight from 0 to murder rage. I am capable of quick turns on players, but that's not something I can recall feeling before.

Alison just accused you and LC and then voted for LC while acknowledging that nobody was coming for your head.

Huh.

She seems the type to draw these kinds of associations per her digging into Hally/FG and Hally/LC. I'm not bothered. Are you bothered?

I'm mildly bothered. She operates like nutella and that bothers me.

Let me post, Jesus.

[sabie12]

I kind of thought kitsushels miller claim was weird

Tell me more!

Not a lot more to it. I found it weird they didn't know they were a miller before others started talking about it and the way it was worded. Though I realize that might just be how they post and didn't realize what the term was before.

to clarify, the word “miller” did not appear in my role. i was told if im coped i come up scum, but thats all. if kitsu’s role is the same, she still might not know that miller = her role if shes unfamiliar with the term

does that make sense?

Yeah I wasn't putting a lot of stock into that. Jay just took that little bit of my post out of context. I am not scum reading kitsu for that I was just talking about my initial reaction to it. Jay had asked about a few specific players and that was part of my response.

[Hally]

now i know tonys claim is real because he knew that about the role card before i said it

[Spacedaisy]

The latter ish, This makes Sabie town even though she’s presenting a bad read

Agreed.

I missed a step, what does Sabie have to do with this?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The latter ish, This makes Sabie town even though she’s presenting a bad read

Agreed.

I missed a step, what does Sabie have to do with this?

Hally asked too, so I'll answer both:

I think it looks like an authentic thought from sabie to wonder why a player doesn't know what a miller is while also claiming to be a miller. It's at least "weird" as sabie described it -- she still placed him as the least suspicious, so there's no opportunism there. It's just a vague concern that I can track with. It's why I followed up her comment with my question about the miller roles (which I think clear the matter up for KitsuShel's sake).

[TonyStarkPrime]

Is someone going to point out that Jay failed his game?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Kitsu knowing their role but not knowing it was called a miller is hugely town indicative

I don’t know if I can say why but it looks like people are already there

[Funnygurl555]

why is sprityo being scumread

pls explain thanks

His hunting doesn't inspire me -- it's driven by the miller claims, and he has kept his vote plopped on Tony among them for much of the day so far. I don't know why it should be Tony, why sprityo cares, or what's going on in his head.

oh ok. yeah that's a good read then

hey [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] could u give me a read on alison's?

[Spacedaisy]

The latter ish, This makes Sabie town even though she’s presenting a bad read

Agreed.

I missed a step, what does Sabie have to do with this?

Hally asked too, so I'll answer both:

I think it looks like an authentic thought from sabie to wonder why a player doesn't know what a miller is while also claiming to be a miller. It's at least "weird" as sabie described it -- she still placed him as the least suspicious, so there's no opportunism there. It's just a vague concern that I can track with. It's why I followed up her comment with my question about the miller roles (which I think clear the matter up for KitsuShel's sake).

gotcha, thanks

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is someone going to point out that Jay failed his game?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ngl I kinda hate that other people said it before I did I’m supposed to be the resident angle shooter wtf

[sabie12]

The latter ish, This makes Sabie town even though she’s presenting a bad read

Agreed.

I missed a step, what does Sabie have to do with this?

Hally asked too, so I'll answer both:

I think it looks like an authentic thought from sabie to wonder why a player doesn't know what a miller is while also claiming to be a miller. It's at least "weird" as sabie described it -- she still placed him as the least suspicious, so there's no opportunism there. It's just a vague concern that I can track with. It's why I followed up her comment with my question about the miller roles (which I think clear the matter up for KitsuShel's sake).

Right you asked about reads on a few specific people and with kitsushel that was the one thing that kind of stood out but after some clarification it makes more sense now.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Kitsu knowing their role but not knowing it was called a miller is hugely town indicative

I don’t know if I can say why but it looks like people are already there

To be honest this was sort of my first thought but there are ways around this. But I do agree, substantially >rand town

[Long Con]

What does it mean, Jay failed his game?

[Hally]

The latter ish, This makes Sabie town even though she’s presenting a bad read

Agreed.

I missed a step, what does Sabie have to do with this?

Hally asked too, so I'll answer both:

I think it looks like an authentic thought from sabie to wonder why a player doesn't know what a miller is while also claiming to be a miller. It's at least "weird" as sabie described it -- she still placed him as the least suspicious, so there's no opportunism there. It's just a vague concern that I can track with. It's why I followed up her comment with my question about the miller roles (which I think clear the matter up for KitsuShel's sake).

oh ok, i thought tony was referring to like... a role specific thing or something that locked sabie town

i agree with her being a town read though

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ngl I kinda hate that other people said it before I did I’m supposed to be the resident angle shooter wtf

I expect Jack gave the mafia all the information they need anyway so whatEVAR

[Long Con]

I kind of thought kitsushels miller claim was weird

Tell me more!

Not a lot more to it. I found it weird they didn't know they were a miller before others started talking about it and the way it was worded. Though I realize that might just be how they post and didn't realize what the term was before.

Worth asking:

Are y'all millers explicitly *millers*, or are you something like this:

"You are a civilian. If you are investigated by an alignment checker, you will appear to be aligned with the mafia."

I realize these things are functionally equivalent.

WHAT?? I was way off...

[TonyStarkPrime]

While we’re on the not angleshooty thing I have a follow up addition to the town mindset thing from Jay — I assume wolves have a fake role with the miller ability. Sabie would know this and have access to that role. She wouldn’t make an argument like that knowing it’ll be shot down in a way that gives town credit to others.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What does it mean, Jay failed his game?

You had the most "good" reads by proportion. I had the most by raw count.

[TonyStarkPrime]

The latter ish, This makes Sabie town even though she’s presenting a bad read

Agreed.

I missed a step, what does Sabie have to do with this?

Hally asked too, so I'll answer both:

I think it looks like an authentic thought from sabie to wonder why a player doesn't know what a miller is while also claiming to be a miller. It's at least "weird" as sabie described it -- she still placed him as the least suspicious, so there's no opportunism there. It's just a vague concern that I can track with. It's why I followed up her comment with my question about the miller roles (which I think clear the matter up for KitsuShel's sake).

oh ok, i thought tony was referring to like... a role specific thing or something that locked sabie town

i agree with her being a town read though

See my followup

[TonyStarkPrime]

Unless... it’s exactly Hally/Sabie and I interrupted their scheme

[TonyStarkPrime]

paranoia time

[Hally]

im highly skeptical that all this miller stuff means anything though

surely jack knows putting so many millers in the game can lead to a lot of pseudo confirmed town? whats scum’s recourse for that?

like, if we take this all at face value, we have me, tony and kitsu all pseudo IC’s already on D1

can that be real? idk

[JaggedJimmyJay]

paranoia time

nah

[Spacedaisy]

LOL, I just realized I have until tomorrow to vote. I was all worried I was about to miss it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

im highly skeptical that all this miller stuff means anything though

surely jack knows putting so many millers in the game can lead to a lot of pseudo confirmed town? whats scum’s recourse for that?

like, if we take this all at face value, we have me, tony and kitsu all pseudo IC’s already on D1

can that be real? idk

I assume Jack implemented some kind of measure to account for this, yes. He and I have talked before about civilians failing in games because they tried to solve the host instead of solving each other. So for the most part I am not concerning myself with these claims, at least not on their own terms. The way they're presented is meaningful to me.

[Hally]

i do tr tony and kitsu even apart from the claims i think? and i know mine is real

idk its just very weird if its all as it appears though

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Kitsu knowing their role but not knowing it was called a miller is hugely town indicative

I don’t know if I can say why but it looks like people are already there

To be honest this was sort of my first thought but there are ways around this. But I do agree, substantially >rand town

Yeah, you could call it a...

Soft lock

[Hally]

didnt alison also seriously claim miller?

and was fg’s serious?

how can these all be real?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

didnt alison also seriously claim miller?

and was fg’s serious?

how can these all be real?

hee ho

[Hally]

this game is already a mindfuck i did not realize what i was signing up for but i cant hate it hee ho!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My role is irrefutable trolling, so I don't struggle to believe macro-level trolling in the setup.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t extend the read to anyone outside kitsu fwiw

Also the preponderance of millers in this games means that hally’s claim being first holds little to no weight

They’re independently townie tho

[sabie12]

I must sleep. I look forward to trying to read through 500 more posts in the morning haha.

[Epignosis]

Voted [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine cuz they cute.

Could vote Alison. A song is stuck in my head and it's all their fault.

more words please

I only promise to try. Whether those words are of value is another subject.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

Mafia hav fake roles. Those have Miller powers. They know they exist, they claim Miller. It’s not hard.

[TonyStarkPrime]

It'd be neat and swell and stuff if some folks could give me a quick ranking (least-to-most suspicious/worthy of chopping) of the four players <20 posts:

KitsuShel
sprityo
DrWilgy
ColinIsCool

Kitsu
———randish
Colin
Wilgy
Sprit

[Funnygurl555]

i'm a miller though. dw, scum me doesn't like to fake claim even when it's advantageous. i think the miller claims are for the most part real

[Funnygurl555]

also daisy pls give me that read on alison when u get the chance

gotta figure out how to read daisy