The Syndicate

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:30 pm Nighthowlers aren't wolves, they're toxic flowers making predators go savage.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

Logic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

From what I remember of the movie, with the exception of one, the cops are just kinda incompetent.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:14 pmPardon me, what does that even mean?? Win without parity?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:29 pm I'm fine with a Kyle lynch or a Jinrou lynch as of right now. I realize there's another day available.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:35 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:14 pmPardon me, what does that even mean?? Win without parity?

That mafia can win without overtaking the town by numbers. It's in the OP.
Also in the OP is that town needs to get rid of mafia.
I was half expecting that we had to form a protest against the mods - "We resist this oppressive system! Predators and preys are mere labels bestowed upon us for you to control us all, while we fight our petty war among ourselves. No more, I say! No more!"

Logic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

From what I remember of the movie, with the exception of one, the cops are just kinda incompetent.

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:38 pmYeah, I read it in the OP and didn't know what it meant then either. LOL Thank you for explaining. I had just never heard that term before.

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:37 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:29 pm I'm fine with a Kyle lynch or a Jinrou lynch as of right now. I realize there's another day available.

Ditto. I feel a bit more comfortable voting Jinrou (which feels weird to say after he copped green, but hey, bastards is as bastards do), but this Day Phase is going to be my phase of trust and cooperation. Paranoia hasn't worked yet, so I'm going to try the opposite. It's Bizarro Indi day! So, if everyone else that I trust feels more comfortable voting Kylemii, I'll go there too, no hesitation.

I also mentioned earlier that the kooky night kills make sense coming from a kooky Kylemii. Or, it could be that just as our alignment checks are untrustworthy, perhaps they have something wonky going on with their nightkills.

Another also is that he seemed to have trouble remembering who he copped each night. And trust me, I know exactly who I targeted each night with absolutely no problem, because I've been basing my entire game play on those checks.


As an aside to those who now know they were alignment checked - did anything weird happen to you on the nights you were targeted?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:42 pm If any of the cop claims are untrue, I think it would be Kyle's. That whole getting random messages could definitely be made up. Why would Kyle be the only one getting custom messages. I just got town every time, and it seems that was the experience that Bob, Logic and indiglo had too. I can easily see Kyle make up this shit to make it sound believable and specific. I think. Maybe. Right?

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:48 pm I want us to pause and consider Kylemii's messages he claimed he got.

If he did not get them, it meant he made them up.

Do you believe he made them up?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:48 pm I want us to pause and consider Kylemii's messages he claimed he got.

If he did not get them, it meant he made them up.

Do you believe he made them up?

He could? He seems rather creative and smart.
Do you think he would? You probably know him better than me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:01 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:56 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:51 pm I'm not "hitting my stride" because I'm just not that into mafia right now I guess, I've been playing this game whole-ly from my phone. I took a break for a reason.

I know that feeling.

Can you point to anywhere you did something cop-like?

(Hopefully you understand why I'm not taking further cop claims at face value)

I can't. I'm 99% sure a bastard cop. Instead of results I've been getting responses like "you totally meant to do that but instead you got distracted with a phone app" or "you were definitely gonna do that but you got distracted by donuts" last night I didn't get a message like that but was just told "no results" implying something else happened.

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:02 am That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:02 am That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:05 am

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:02 am That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.

Of course he could. Scum can be blocked you know.

Anyway.

What's the case on Jinrou?
Also Owner is not a cop?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:05 am

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:02 am That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.

Of course he could. Scum can be blocked you know.

Anyway.

What's the case on Jinrou?
Also Owner is not a cop?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:04 am Huh. I don't know. I will sleep now. I'll probably just end up sheeping indiglo tbh

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:55 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:01 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:56 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:51 pm I'm not "hitting my stride" because I'm just not that into mafia right now I guess, I've been playing this game whole-ly from my phone. I took a break for a reason.

I know that feeling.

Can you point to anywhere you did something cop-like?

(Hopefully you understand why I'm not taking further cop claims at face value)

I can't. I'm 99% sure a bastard cop. Instead of results I've been getting responses like "you totally meant to do that but instead you got distracted with a phone app" or "you were definitely gonna do that but you got distracted by donuts" last night I didn't get a message like that but was just told "no results" implying something else happened.

Here's the post. I want people to discuss this before hanging him.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:32 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:55 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:01 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:56 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:51 pm I'm not "hitting my stride" because I'm just not that into mafia right now I guess, I've been playing this game whole-ly from my phone. I took a break for a reason.

I know that feeling.

Can you point to anywhere you did something cop-like?

(Hopefully you understand why I'm not taking further cop claims at face value)

I can't. I'm 99% sure a bastard cop. Instead of results I've been getting responses like "you totally meant to do that but instead you got distracted with a phone app" or "you were definitely gonna do that but you got distracted by donuts" last night I didn't get a message like that but was just told "no results" implying something else happened.

Here's the post. I want people to discuss this before hanging him.

Those are both believable things that Clawhauser (a character from the movie) would do. I'm not sure whether it bothers me that the third was "no results" - either he ran out of stuff to make up, the hosts ran out of creative ways to say stuff, or something different actually happened.

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:02 am That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:05 am Also Owner is not a cop?

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:46 pm I didn't even get a complete sentence. It was just the word Result, a colon :, and then the word Town. Every time the same.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:04 am Get your filthy votes off Kylemii.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:21 am

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:46 pm I didn't even get a complete sentence. It was just the word Result, a colon :, and then the word Town. Every time the same.

It is with a heavy heart that I must inform you that @indiglo has been fired. She was Officer Trunkaby (Town/Prey).

The purpose of the "no quoting messages from the host" rule is so that the wording of a pm may not be used to confirm a town player that knows how the host words things or to out a scum player who does not. Spelling out the wording of a pm without literally quoting it still has the same negative effect. I believe Indiglo has been confirmed town by the post quoted above.

This action is not intended to shame Indiglo, who Juliets and I have both enjoyed having in our game. I apologize to her for not making this rule more clear. Nevertheless, her removal from the game is necessary to ensure fairness to the scum team.

Please do not attempt to use the specific wording of pms from the hosts in order to read players or self confirm.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:32 amThose are both believable things that Clawhauser (a character from the movie) would do. I'm not sure whether it bothers me that the third was "no results" - either he ran out of stuff to make up, the hosts ran out of creative ways to say stuff, or something different actually happened.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:57 pm The first thing I notice is that Kylemii says he got messages "like" this or that.

The third item breaks the trend.

I'm inclined to believe that.

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:37 pmI also mentioned earlier that the kooky night kills make sense coming from a kooky Kylemii. Or, it could be that just as our alignment checks are untrustworthy, perhaps they have something wonky going on with their nightkills.

Another also is that he seemed to have trouble remembering who he copped each night. And trust me, I know exactly who I targeted each night with absolutely no problem, because I've been basing my entire game play on those checks.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:42 pm If any of the cop claims are untrue, I think it would be Kyle's. That whole getting random messages could definitely be made up. Why would Kyle be the only one getting custom messages. I just got town every time, and it seems that was the experience that Bob, Logic and indiglo had too. I can easily see Kyle make up this shit to make it sound believable and specific. I think. Maybe. Right?

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:13 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

that's actually wrong. saying zootopia over and over and generally being a memelord was an active choice i made to make sure I survived long enough to cop someone. i went a different direction once I realized that at the very least my role likely wasn't a perfect cop, but also that there was probably at least one other cop in the game due to the presence of a miller before I got tired/busy

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:10 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:13 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

that's actually wrong. saying zootopia over and over and generally being a memelord was an active choice i made to make sure I survived long enough to cop someone. i went a different direction once I realized that at the very least my role likely wasn't a perfect cop, but also that there was probably at least one other cop in the game due to the presence of a miller before I got tired/busy

Ok, this is more convincing to me.

[VOTE: jinrou] aubergine

Jinrou wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:29 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:10 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:13 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

that's actually wrong. saying zootopia over and over and generally being a memelord was an active choice i made to make sure I survived long enough to cop someone. i went a different direction once I realized that at the very least my role likely wasn't a perfect cop, but also that there was probably at least one other cop in the game due to the presence of a miller before I got tired/busy

Ok, this is more convincing to me.

[VOTE: jinrou] aubergine

he didnt cop me or is lying

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:13 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

that's actually wrong. saying zootopia over and over and generally being a memelord was an active choice i made to make sure I survived long enough to cop someone. i went a different direction once I realized that at the very least my role likely wasn't a perfect cop, but also that there was probably at least one other cop in the game due to the presence of a miller before I got tired/busy

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:01 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:56 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:51 pm I'm not "hitting my stride" because I'm just not that into mafia right now I guess, I've been playing this game whole-ly from my phone. I took a break for a reason.

I know that feeling.

Can you point to anywhere you did something cop-like?

(Hopefully you understand why I'm not taking further cop claims at face value)

I can't. I'm 99% sure a bastard cop. Instead of results I've been getting responses like "you totally meant to do that but instead you got distracted with a phone app" or "you were definitely gonna do that but you got distracted by donuts" last night I didn't get a message like that but was just told "no results" implying something else happened.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:41 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:17 pm @Kyle who did you target each night so far?


I don't know how anyone phone mafias. It is the worst!!

Speedchuck, epignosis, then I think.... Long con?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:19 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:32 amThose are both believable things that Clawhauser (a character from the movie) would do. I'm not sure whether it bothers me that the third was "no results" - either he ran out of stuff to make up, the hosts ran out of creative ways to say stuff, or something different actually happened.

the message I received said that my failure wasn't my fault this time, which implies to me that either I was blocked or that the player I targeted is untargetable somehow.