[WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia

[Jackofhearts2005]

I am a fan of early game one post reads.

I'm not a fan of your early game one post read.

i am a fan of this post

I am a fan

let me show you around. tell you how we run things around here

scotty or pyxxy will be the day 1 chop, and it will be a town flip

ok

Odds any of zenon/Alison/Seanzie/tutuu are mafia?

Odds any of zenon/Alison/Seanzie/tutuu are mafia?

It’s a 23.1% chance any of them are mafia

This is where Seanzie shows up with actual computatable odds because he’s a calculator

This sequence would feel awkward and bad to me if I had confidence in my ability to read Scotty.

[Scotty]

i think scotty might be too towny to be town he's never this towny, no?

lol I've heard of twtbw but never tttbt

Anyway, while that flip isn't ideal, at least I can put away my tinfoil on you and zenon.

I still think it's best to scout out top towncore, and you, Camilla and Roxy are firmly atop it for me.

falcon got me to jump with his pleas at end of day.

I feel like pyxxy petered out once the suspicion went off him, but maybe that's just conf bias.

Gonna do some major reassessment today

[Scotty]

i think roxy and wilgy only make sense if pyxxy is wolf too. or ... "more likely", not "only"

falcon makes sense with everyone and yet i gut townread him and yet [VOTE: falcon] aubergine shrug rly hard to find u as town

i think we might be misclearing scotty especially if pyxxy is town (which would also make roxxy and wilgy town too imo)

Don't clear me

yet

[Scotty]

i think scotty might be too towny to be town he's never this towny, no?

Err, could you explain why?

hes never towncore, he's always poe. always gets mischopped. exaggeration, but lets go with often. hes rly calm here, sensible, collected. not chaotic. archetype of players who rand mafia and suddenly start doing what they know will be liked (as opposed to town not doing what they know is wanted of them - see town rondo)

Well that's not entirely true. I've been towncore pretty often in the past year.

I can't even remember the last time I was wolf to have a reference for how I'd act, but I change up my game style from game to game anyway.

[Scotty]

but alison and camilla wont like scotty vote

but idk it just feels like he's the deep wolf to me

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Can you make a bullet point list of why Alison? I can't make the move to add her to towncore even though I have liked what she's posted. Is it the Porscha vote?

[Alison]

I think it's a valid point to say that pyxxy has coasted after being shielded D2

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: prince j] aubergine

welcome to the syndicate you little bitch

What a charming welcome

Hi Prince! What is the name of your kingdom and are you ready to be king? Like, your tax bracket probably changes SIGNIFICANTLY

The Prince of MONDAY NIGHT RAW

[tutuu]

at least I can put away my tinfoil on you and zenon.

what? you didn't tinfoil zenon. am i wrong? could you quote me where did you express concern of zenon?

[Alison]

but alison and camilla wont like scotty vote

but idk it just feels like he's the deep wolf to me

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Can you make a bullet point list of why Alison? I can't make the move to add her to towncore even though I have liked what she's posted. Is it the Porscha vote?

There was a Porscha post that felt like she was salty copium over my vote on her that I think spews me town

and she was clearly in idgaf mode the entire game so I don't think she bothered faking her spew

[Camilla]

I think it's a valid point to say that pyxxy has coasted after being shielded D2

I mean, I feel like that can go to more than just pyxxy.

Shrug.

[tutuu]

but alison and camilla wont like scotty vote

but idk it just feels like he's the deep wolf to me

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Can you make a bullet point list of why Alison? I can't make the move to add her to towncore even though I have liked what she's posted. Is it the Porscha vote?

-porscha vote, specifically sheeping me on it after townreading her before that
-just general obvtown since d1 via daytalk, cant rly explain it with words, if i couldnt it wouldnt be alignment indicative as she would emulate it as wolf

[tutuu]

could*

[Scotty]

can i ask you to go over why do you townread scotty again? @Camilla @Alison

Sorry, didn't see this. The short answer is that I think he has been townie on play. His tone has been fine, he feels kinda lonely in the thread, and I get pretty strong "just doing my own thing" vibes.

I'm not lock clearing him or anything but he doesn't feel like he has an agenda and I'm not gonna exe someone with fine posts when there's 3 afks

[tutuu]

at least I can put away my tinfoil on you and zenon.

what? you didn't tinfoil zenon. am i wrong? could you quote me where did you express concern of zenon?

im getting optimistic here, hopefully not for nothing, because i had iso'd scotty earlier, he had zenon as second top townread on day 1 and i didnt see any interaction or read or concern from him to her on day 2. let me check again i hope i didnt miss it

[tutuu]

scotty ur a fucking wolf u didnt tinfoil zenon u have 2 posts mentioning her on day 2, one defending her and one defending urself from someone by citing you're sheeipng her and me

[Scotty]

Actually the angleshoot that scotty had tmi on the game not being flipless is intriguing... I totally assumed it was until I saw zenons flip

It's not angleshoot if I assume what the host tells us is true.
We had no reason to believe players -weren't- being flipped with their roles imo

[tutuu]

@Scotty

[Scotty]

Do we have to consider camilla scum worlds if falcon is maf

too far ahead. If camilla is scum, she's getting to endgame and we'd have to solve her there. Not in my POE as of now

[Camilla]

but alison and camilla wont like scotty vote

but idk it just feels like he's the deep wolf to me

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Can you make a bullet point list of why Alison? I can't make the move to add her to towncore even though I have liked what she's posted. Is it the Porscha vote?

-porscha vote, specifically sheeping me on it after townreading her before that
-just general obvtown since d1 via daytalk, cant rly explain it with words, if i couldnt it wouldnt be alignment indicative as she would emulate it as wolf

To add on the bolded there's also her progression on Porscha that felt roughly complex enough alongside Porscha's reaction to Alison's vote.

Like, Alison's the player alive rn that's most clear from Porscha's flip and I wouldn't re-read her until XyLo.

[Scotty]

at least I can put away my tinfoil on you and zenon.

what? you didn't tinfoil zenon. am i wrong? could you quote me where did you express concern of zenon?

It was a passing fancy to be said in case yall both survived toward f5 or something

For the record, I think the only way tutuu or Zenon are bad is if they’re both bad. Which is quite entirely possible, but not an avenue im even going to walk down because it’s got 4 houses and it’s about to be upgraded to a hotel and I can’t afford that shit

[Camilla]

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

[Scotty]

but alison and camilla wont like scotty vote

but idk it just feels like he's the deep wolf to me

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Can you make a bullet point list of why Alison? I can't make the move to add her to towncore even though I have liked what she's posted. Is it the Porscha vote?

There was a Porscha post that felt like she was salty copium over my vote on her that I think spews me town

and she was clearly in idgaf mode the entire game so I don't think she bothered faking her spew

I don't generally catapult spew into my sphere of towny influence. IMO it's easily faked to purposefully spew. I'll take a closer look at her iso concerning you tho.

What number vote were you on her? Were you towards beginning of wagon?

[tutuu]

at least I can put away my tinfoil on you and zenon.

what? you didn't tinfoil zenon. am i wrong? could you quote me where did you express concern of zenon?

It was a passing fancy to be said in case yall both survived toward f5 or something

For the record, I think the only way tutuu or Zenon are bad is if they’re both bad. Which is quite entirely possible, but not an avenue im even going to walk down because it’s got 4 houses and it’s about to be upgraded to a hotel and I can’t afford that shit

other than noticing that she was the cop who had me peeked, how did you form the read that me and her are the same alignment?

[Scotty]

scotty ur a fucking wolf u didnt tinfoil zenon u have 2 posts mentioning her on day 2, one defending her and one defending urself from someone by citing you're sheeipng her and me

*cough*

[Scotty]

at least I can put away my tinfoil on you and zenon.

what? you didn't tinfoil zenon. am i wrong? could you quote me where did you express concern of zenon?

It was a passing fancy to be said in case yall both survived toward f5 or something

For the record, I think the only way tutuu or Zenon are bad is if they’re both bad. Which is quite entirely possible, but not an avenue im even going to walk down because it’s got 4 houses and it’s about to be upgraded to a hotel and I can’t afford that shit

other than noticing that she was the cop who had me peeked, how did you form the read that me and her are the same alignment?

Thread presence and honestly? Yall kept using the 'obvtown' argument which is very convincing if used a bunch, which it was.

A phalanx, you two. Sounds like a towncore to me and 2 deep wolves that I didn't want to go towards.

[Scotty]

Anyway, I take responsibility for largely turning the thread away from falcon because I was feeling cute.

I'm all for letting anyone else take the lede here.

As long as it isn't me today, because that helps very little.

[tutuu]

sigh ok

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

if falcon flips town and i survive im going kim jong un mode

[Scotty]

Ok looked at Alison/porscha interactions.

Porscha only really talks about Alison like 'she'd love this post' and then responding to alison's vote as a 'reaction test' but wasnt worried.

Alison starts by hard defending Porscha that Porscha isn't in her wolf range, then when provided with conjecture to the contrary, does a 180 and votes there. Looks like it was the 3rd vote there...maybe? Maybe 2nd? Can't tell. But she has chances to change, and doesn't. Even townreads pyxxy, the most convincing counterwagon.

I dunno, gut says don't clear Alison but she didn't give herself many options to jump ship unless she was just fine with bussing porscha with like half a day left.


Looking closer at end of day, nothing has been done to dissuade me of seeing pyxxy as suspect. He even votes Zenon weirdly in the last 30 minutes before finally saving himself, which he had said he wasn't going to do. Hence my thought that the Roleblocker would do so in that batch.

Falcon is back in my POE as well as Prince Jack (the second of his name).

Wilgy is a ??? but agreed with others that he has been paying attention. The lowest of my townleans.

[Scotty]

sigh ok

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

if falcon flips town and i survive im going kim jong un mode

k

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

[Scotty]

look at that runaway wagon.

last time I saw this much of a runaway wagon, we ran straight into the Laramie River and Pa died of dysentery

I think it's fine tho

[Alison]

but alison and camilla wont like scotty vote

but idk it just feels like he's the deep wolf to me

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Can you make a bullet point list of why Alison? I can't make the move to add her to towncore even though I have liked what she's posted. Is it the Porscha vote?

There was a Porscha post that felt like she was salty copium over my vote on her that I think spews me town

and she was clearly in idgaf mode the entire game so I don't think she bothered faking her spew

I don't generally catapult spew into my sphere of towny influence. IMO it's easily faked to purposefully spew. I'll take a closer look at her iso concerning you tho.

What number vote were you on her? Were you towards beginning of wagon?

I was one of the first votes on her, I can't remember the exact number but it was pretty close to the start of the game, soon after tutuu told me about her meta.

[Alison]

at least I can put away my tinfoil on you and zenon.

what? you didn't tinfoil zenon. am i wrong? could you quote me where did you express concern of zenon?

It was a passing fancy to be said in case yall both survived toward f5 or something

For the record, I think the only way tutuu or Zenon are bad is if they’re both bad. Which is quite entirely possible, but not an avenue im even going to walk down because it’s got 4 houses and it’s about to be upgraded to a hotel and I can’t afford that shit

other than noticing that she was the cop who had me peeked, how did you form the read that me and her are the same alignment?

Thread presence and honestly? Yall kept using the 'obvtown' argument which is very convincing if used a bunch, which it was.

A phalanx, you two. Sounds like a towncore to me and 2 deep wolves that I didn't want to go towards.

Why can't it be that one of them is a wolf who had the other pocketed? Why must they be V/V or W/W?

[Scotty]

at least I can put away my tinfoil on you and zenon.

what? you didn't tinfoil zenon. am i wrong? could you quote me where did you express concern of zenon?

It was a passing fancy to be said in case yall both survived toward f5 or something

For the record, I think the only way tutuu or Zenon are bad is if they’re both bad. Which is quite entirely possible, but not an avenue im even going to walk down because it’s got 4 houses and it’s about to be upgraded to a hotel and I can’t afford that shit

other than noticing that she was the cop who had me peeked, how did you form the read that me and her are the same alignment?

Thread presence and honestly? Yall kept using the 'obvtown' argument which is very convincing if used a bunch, which it was.

A phalanx, you two. Sounds like a towncore to me and 2 deep wolves that I didn't want to go towards.

Why can't it be that one of them is a wolf who had the other pocketed? Why must they be V/V or W/W?

While anythingispossible.jpg, their heads were of the same mind at times.

I get you’re trying to figure out if I had TMI on their alignment, and that’s certainly a theory, but really I’m just that good.

[tutuu]

I get you’re trying to figure out if I had TMI on their alignment

porscha post-mortem copium

[Scotty]

I get you’re trying to figure out if I had TMI on their alignment

porscha post-mortem copium

I don’t know what this means

[DrWilgy]

Ok looked at Alison/porscha interactions.

Porscha only really talks about Alison like 'she'd love this post' and then responding to alison's vote as a 'reaction test' but wasnt worried.

Alison starts by hard defending Porscha that Porscha isn't in her wolf range, then when provided with conjecture to the contrary, does a 180 and votes there. Looks like it was the 3rd vote there...maybe? Maybe 2nd? Can't tell. But she has chances to change, and doesn't. Even townreads pyxxy, the most convincing counterwagon.

I dunno, gut says don't clear Alison but she didn't give herself many options to jump ship unless she was just fine with bussing porscha with like half a day left.


Looking closer at end of day, nothing has been done to dissuade me of seeing pyxxy as suspect. He even votes Zenon weirdly in the last 30 minutes before finally saving himself, which he had said he wasn't going to do. Hence my thought that the Roleblocker would do so in that batch.

Falcon is back in my POE as well as Prince Jack (the second of his name).

Wilgy is a ??? but agreed with others that he has been paying attention. The lowest of my townleans.

Coward.

[Alison]

While anythingispossible.jpg, their heads were of the same mind at times.

I get you’re trying to figure out if I had TMI on their alignment, and that’s certainly a theory, but really I’m just that good.

Why does their heads being of the same mind indicate that they probably aren't W/V?

I can see why two villas would mindmeld and why two wolves would push the same agenda, but it's not too uncommon for a wolf to mindmeld with a pocketed villa. To me it doesn't necessarily rule out W/V.

[Scotty]

While anythingispossible.jpg, their heads were of the same mind at times.

I get you’re trying to figure out if I had TMI on their alignment, and that’s certainly a theory, but really I’m just that good.

Why does their heads being of the same mind indicate that they probably aren't W/V?

I can see why two villas would mindmeld and why two wolves would push the same agenda, but it's not too uncommon for a wolf to mindmeld with a pocketed villa. To me it doesn't necessarily rule out W/V.

Sometimes logic is subjective.

[Scotty]

Ok looked at Alison/porscha interactions.

Porscha only really talks about Alison like 'she'd love this post' and then responding to alison's vote as a 'reaction test' but wasnt worried.

Alison starts by hard defending Porscha that Porscha isn't in her wolf range, then when provided with conjecture to the contrary, does a 180 and votes there. Looks like it was the 3rd vote there...maybe? Maybe 2nd? Can't tell. But she has chances to change, and doesn't. Even townreads pyxxy, the most convincing counterwagon.

I dunno, gut says don't clear Alison but she didn't give herself many options to jump ship unless she was just fine with bussing porscha with like half a day left.


Looking closer at end of day, nothing has been done to dissuade me of seeing pyxxy as suspect. He even votes Zenon weirdly in the last 30 minutes before finally saving himself, which he had said he wasn't going to do. Hence my thought that the Roleblocker would do so in that batch.

Falcon is back in my POE as well as Prince Jack (the second of his name).

Wilgy is a ??? but agreed with others that he has been paying attention. The lowest of my townleans.

Coward.

Am I the Golden to your GMan now?

So be it.

Let's play some Chicka Chicka Boom.

[Scotty]

No but Wilgy, what reads ya got?

[Scotty]

Reread Prince J's ISO, and....

...I dunno, I'm like.....................not feeling like that's a hit.

I just feel like going down that path is like swatting a piñata expecting there to be candy and instead it's filled with toothbrushes

Does that make sense?

He shrugs off the Zenon/tutuu push and even says falcon can burn. That seems pro-town tbh

[Scotty]

Current reads:

Tutuu

Roxy
Camilla
Wilgy

Alison
Prince Jack
pyxxy
falcon


I think it's just pyxxy and falcon atm
I have Alison in there as a weird potential partner to pyxxy. Feelin cute. I....don't feel confident in many other pairings atm.
Jack can help his cause by shining his pretty domed town head in the right direction, though it's still in the POE.
Camilla is my pick for deepwolf, but I doubt her partner is anyone not named falcon/pyxxy and we can go there if we get there. Not in any rush. Haven't looked too far into that looking glass so don't @ me

[Scotty]

I provide for you a Wolfy 4th vote on Porscha. Good day.

Probably one in Scotty, Zenon, Tutuu, Pyxxy.
Probably one in Rondo, Falcon.
Probably just Rondo because I don't see wolf Falcon.

Did Porscha have any resistance towards voting Pyxxy?

Ho well. Y'all sort it for me...

Good night.

S Tier posts imo

Nearing EoD it seems.

[VOTE: Prince J] aubergine but would prefer in Rondo/Pyxxy.

Falcon is unlikely wolf I think.

Prince J is unlikely wolf as well. I think Porscha forgot about them when they pushed for the lhf options, which is odd of a teammate. Prince J is a better PoE removal than Falcon 100% of the time though.

Has your read changed at all since this post yesterday?

[Scotty]

Since Wilgy would appear to be falcon's biggest cheerleader left in the game that isn't the turkey vulture himself

[Alison]

Kind of think the wilgy "wolfy 4th vote on porscha" post is townie for being reverse self aware

Like if porscha flipped town that post would look scummy because it feels like hes too aware hes killing a townie with that post. But porscha is mafia so now it feels like he legit didnt know if she would flip scum or not and was being self deprecating if she flipped town and he looked bad off it

[Camilla]

Jack has been fairly uninspiring, tbh.

[Scotty]

Kind of think the wilgy "wolfy 4th vote on porscha" post is townie for being reverse self aware

Like if porscha flipped town that post would look scummy because it feels like hes too aware hes killing a townie with that post. But porscha is mafia so now it feels like he legit didnt know if she would flip scum or not and was being self deprecating if she flipped town and he looked bad off it

yeah that’s my favorite post of Wilgy’s and also think it holds a lot of weight for me regarding my Townlean label

Could even bump him into towncore, with all 12 of his posts

[pyxxy]

.......hi there.......

.......airport..............heading home..............5am..............time.......to catch up.......I guess.......

[pyxxy]

.......summary.......instead.......of.......clogging.......with quotes.......

.......annoyed.......with.......rondo.......chop..............no.......need..............
.......zenon............................................................................................................................ ..rip.......
.......agree with.......camilla.......tutuu.......town.......
.......agree with.......nka.......PR.......hunt.......

.......scotty.......falcon.......team.......saves.......porscha.......imo.....................scotty.......manages.......something.......anything.......eod D1?.......
.......does.......scotty.......tr.......zenon.......this.......hard.......only.......to.....................nk? - https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 4#p1050784
...................................the way.......falcon..............breaks meta..............≠..............the way..............Porscha..............breaks meta.......

.......scotty town.......imo.......or w/e.......tbtbtbwbwwwwwbwbbbwttttbtbttbwbwbtbtbtwbtb.......ya feel.......

.....................I've...................................absolutely.......coasted.......but.......I've.......also.......slept.......14hours.......in the last.......three days.......(own volition).......

..............c'est la vie..............

...................................lede me, readmour.......
.......my.......greatest.......defense.......remains.....................as scum..............if.......I.......serious.......let.......that.......eod D1.......manifest............................tutuu.......tell them..............my scum range.......again.......pls and ty.......

..............when wolfing.......with.......Porsch-dawg..............I..............lolcatted..............I would.......never.......repeat that..............consecutive..............ergo..............eod D1.......wagons.......would.......never.......happen............................fin.......
.......for.......legal.......reasons............................pyxxy's.......ego.......is.......involved.......here.......

.......wilgy.......been.......town.......to.......me.......for.....................a.......while.......now.......

so............................by.......logical.......inference.......wouldn't.......vote.......today.......scotty, tutuu, wilgy..............likely.......also.......not vote.......roxy.......

.......fading.......ttyl

[Alison]

Who are your suspicions?