The Syndicate

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:22 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:24 am X

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Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:25 pm**

I'm happy to hammer on my end, I'm just waiting for Kate to check in really.

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:26 pm**

And Quin to a lesser extent (want to give them chance to post if town but they've already had a heads up earlier).

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:29 pm**

Yep, same. All good either way. I think Quin has had his opportunity. No problem giving Kate a chance, at least within reason.

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:13 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:02 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:53 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:37 am @DrWilgy I'd appreciate for peace of mind if you could talk to me about your EoD1 mindset and why you voted Abigail over Lime.

And in general how your read on Lime developed over the course of D1.
Twas to mess with you and the thread. There was no other reason.

Read developed? I don't think there was much development. Falcon said he was bad, I trusted Falcon. Thread tension continued to point in the direction that was LC was bad. Counter arguments to LC being bad were strictly in the existence of a W!you and/or W!Roxy. I wasn't going to explore a W!you or W!Roxy so naturally it was between Kate and LC for me (with a minor on Quin. Kate wasn't a wagon, and LC was going over regardless of my tomfoolery (I would've moved if needed).
But in all seriousness, thanks for the response.

This makes things make a lot more sense now since I was still struggling to gauge how serious you were.

No problem!

(I just noticed that I didn't close the parenthesis around the statement regarding Quin being minor and now I'll be perpetually bothered. All my script sense is now telling that the entire universe shouldn't be working because of said open parenthesis

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:14 pm**

Oh shit. Unbelievable day. Want me to hammer? I'm fine. I'll be back tonight and it's my anniversary on top of it!

Ps. Just paid deposit for Andrew to go to college! *sob*

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:15 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:22 pm Quin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Epi / Kate / Wilgy

I suppose that’ll do as a “full” POE pool.

We have a bigger problem if the yeets make it to me mefinks.

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:15 pm**

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:14 pm Oh shit. Unbelievable day. Want me to hammer? I'm fine. I'll be back tonight and it's my anniversary on top of it!

Ps. Just paid deposit for Andrew to go to college! *sob*

Happy anniversary!

Yay college!

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:16 pm**

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:37 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:28 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:19 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:59 am Smh you really made me put my dignity on the Lime that EoD.
On the lime indeed
I couldn’t ping you with my question (i don't think I have the stars on phone) and I didn't notice your answer

Why do you town read me now?
I thought a lot about your pov over night and generally understand where you were coming from even if I don't agree with it I feel like it's just more likely to come from a towny frustrated by a push that makes no sense to them than a wolf.

I tried to like do JJJs exercise more in depth and tried to understand you better and it worked.

I wasn't frustrated by the push though. I don't get where this idea comes from.
Why you say your push didn't make sense to me? I explained my Pov more than once.
Your push if you are a wolf makes sense but when you noticed you can't in fact push me you made a step back and that also makes sense from a wolf.

If you are town the push is a wrong understanding of the concept of first wagon of 3 players contains a wolf, either the player voted or in the voters.

I think if Quin flips town you have high scum equity.

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:19 pm**

Alright, I'll move my vote onto Quin shortly then unless anybody requests more time.

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:19 pm**

I read the posts and I know I played a few games where players here just gave up as townies. Not this year because I played just a game here but in the last 2 years I noticed people try here more when they rand wolf.

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:19 pm**

My PoE is still Quin/Epi/Kate (with Wilgy if I had to add a 4th).

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:20 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:19 pm Alright, I'll move my vote onto Quin shortly then unless anybody requests more time.

Do whatsoever you want, I will not vote anyway, and I said what I wanted to say.

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:21 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:20 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:19 pm Alright, I'll move my vote onto Quin shortly then unless anybody requests more time.
Do whatever you want, I will not vote anyway, and I said what I wanted to say.

Ebwop
Autocorrect ..

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:22 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:19 pm My PoE is still Quin/Epi/Kate (with Wilgy if I had to add a 4th).

My Poe always contains Abigail

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:22 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:19 pm I read the posts and I know I played a few games where players here just gave up as townies. Not this year because I played just a game here but in the last 2 years I noticed people try here more when they rand wolf.

Yeah, you can see villagers give up sometimes but like

Wolves who know they have no hope of succeeding often just don't try because why bother to put effort into something that's fruitless?

Lime Coke had low WIM this game, wouldn't surprise me remotely if the other wolf did and the wolves just didn't feel like they could win.

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:23 pm**

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:14 pm Oh shit. Unbelievable day. Want me to hammer? I'm fine. I'll be back tonight and it's my anniversary on top of it!

Ps. Just paid deposit for Andrew to go to college! *sob*

Happy anniversary!

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:24 pm**

Sure, let's do it

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:24 pm**

Just don't get complacent if this flips town and etc etc etc

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:25 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:22 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:19 pm I read the posts and I know I played a few games where players here just gave up as townies. Not this year because I played just a game here but in the last 2 years I noticed people try here more when they rand wolf.
Yeah, you can see villagers give up sometimes but like

Wolves who know they have no hope of succeeding often just don't try because why bother to put effort into something that's fruitless?

Lime Coke had low WIM this game, wouldn't surprise me remotely if the other wolf did and the wolves just didn't feel like they could win.

You gave this reasoning already and I don't agree with it.
I think Brad would try more if he would have an inactive mate.

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:25 pm**

Make sure even people in the towncore have to maintain a high standard of posting

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:26 pm**

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:14 pm Oh shit. Unbelievable day. Want me to hammer? I'm fine. I'll be back tonight and it's my anniversary on top of it!

Ps. Just paid deposit for Andrew to go to college! *sob*

Happy Anniversary Kate!

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:26 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:25 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:22 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:19 pm I read the posts and I know I played a few games where players here just gave up as townies. Not this year because I played just a game here but in the last 2 years I noticed people try here more when they rand wolf.
Yeah, you can see villagers give up sometimes but like

Wolves who know they have no hope of succeeding often just don't try because why bother to put effort into something that's fruitless?

Lime Coke had low WIM this game, wouldn't surprise me remotely if the other wolf did and the wolves just didn't feel like they could win.
You gave this reasoning already and I don't agree with it.
I think Brad would try more if he would have an inactive mate.

The guy hates wolfing and has wolfing WIM issues in general, I'm doubtful of that.

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:26 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:19 pm I read the posts and I know I played a few games where players here just gave up as townies. Not this year because I played just a game here but in the last 2 years I noticed people try here more when they rand wolf.

agree to absolutely disagree.

But this does ping me. Hopefully this elim will end my ping.

vote Quin

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:27 pm**

He does often try as a wolf but he much prefers town

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:28 pm**

Alright, that's the hammer

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:28 pm**

I hammered and Michelle not gonna vote - why???????????

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:29 pm**

@Syn (if somebody on PC could screenshot the poll as requested in the first post that would probsbly be helpful)

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:29 pm**

Spoiler: show

I had these quotes I kept but I didn't have time to say anything about them

Hope Quin flips wolf and you are right and is game over

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:30 pm**

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:28 pm I hammered and Michelle not gonna vote - why???????????

Because I don't have to

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:30 pm**

ewww JJJ did not vote for Quin??

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:32 pm**

Hammer reached. Thread locked.

(will be 10-20 minutes for me to post flip + poll, waiting on groceries rn)

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:40 pm**

Day 2 poll

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:44 pm**

All the bugs spent their day preparing a Quin-sized shoe. It was a foregone conclusion. What other bug could be squashed if not Quin?

After all the guts have been wiped off from the sole of the shoe, what is left to do?

With Quin's flip, the game is...

...

...

...

...

... not over.

Spoiler: show

Quin was a villager.

N2 has started. D3 will begin in 24 hours on Saturday, August 5 at 2:00 PM PST / 11:00 PM CET.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:57 pm**

After a night of quiet reflection, all the bugs gathered once more. Or, well, all but one.

JaggedJimmyJay's insectoid body is laid in ruin, almost unrecognizable. Who could do this to a bug so sweet?

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay was a villager.

Day 3 begins. You have 48 hours to squash your next bug. How exciting! Poll and thread close on Monday, August 7 at 2:00 PM PST / 11:00 PM CET.

Hammer is at 4.

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:58 pm**

Gg JJJ

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:58 pm**

Please don't quickhammer overnight, going to try to put some time aside to deep dive stuff today.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:59 pm**

(By "overnight" I mean over the next 12 hours or so while I'm asleep)

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:03 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:22 pm Quin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Epi / Kate / Wilgy

I suppose that’ll do as a “full” POE pool.

Second in the queue.

What fun to spend Day 3 convincing these dung beetles that I'm not it.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:10 pm**

At least I can put away all my JJJ paranoia now.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:10 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:58 pm Please don't quickhammer overnight, going to try to put some time aside to deep dive stuff today.

Why did you push for the hammer yday?

I have no intention to vote, nor do I know who I suspect more.

and I have no mental possibility to think much at mafia in the next 24 hours

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:13 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:03 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:22 pm Quin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Epi / Kate / Wilgy

I suppose that’ll do as a “full” POE pool.
Second in the queue.

What fun to spend Day 3 convincing these dung beetles that I'm not it.

Spoiler: show

From my PoV I am convinced.
What's your solve?

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:13 pm**

@DrWilgy I know you previously mentioned that you thought that Roxy wouldn't treat a wolf teammate like she treated Lime Coke. What's your confidence level on that? Is it something that you'd bet the game on?

@Kate I know you're busy but I'd still appreciate your up to date takes on Roxy / Abigail if you're free this day phase since they're people I expect you to have a lot of useful insight on if you're town (and anybody else you have a good read on).

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:15 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:13 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:03 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:22 pm Quin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Epi / Kate / Wilgy

I suppose that’ll do as a “full” POE pool.
Second in the queue.

What fun to spend Day 3 convincing these dung beetles that I'm not it.

Spoiler: show

From my PoV I am convinced.
What's your solve?

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:18 pm**

You are bad with Lime Coke. What do you do?

1. Create chaos in thread
2. Have Lime Coke lynch you over clever "slip up"
3. Protect Lime Coke to get through Day 1 whole
4. Try to get JJJ lynched for fun
5. Any or all of the above
6. Squander first time being bad with Lime Coke

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:20 pm**

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 2:14 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:22 pm I try to understand why would Quin give up as villager (because his last post looks like giving up)
And why would he give up as mafia?
The Syndicate has a history of not caring villagers I witnesed in past games and Quin is one of the veteran Syndicalists.
well you are wrong about the history. IMO. Most players I have played over a decade with on this site and others that are now defunct. Quinn is not one of them. But they have been awhile that is for sure.

The older players will fight for their lives as a towny. It is bc original site rules were you had to be alive at the end to win. Not the everyone gets a trophy phase we do today.

So him not fighting *if* they are town is not surprising at all. And sad at the same time bc town could lose just bc he would not fight. Now I am fence riding this elim even tho the case seems solid and several have the same thoughts including me.

ffs some days playing this game is too hard.

I don't remember to answer at this post.
Things changed, look how Quin didn't even try to post a legacy.
You were on the fence, yet you hammered. Can I know why?

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:21 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:10 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:58 pm Please don't quickhammer overnight, going to try to put some time aside to deep dive stuff today.
Why did you push for the hammer yday?

I have no intention to vote, nor do I know who I suspect more.

and I have no mental possibility to think much at mafia in the next 24 hours

On a personal level: I was too busy to do much more in depth solving + had low WIM due to threadstate (top scumread inactive is bleh) + thought the game was reasonably likely to end with Quin.

On a group level: basically everyone had supported the hammer and in stagnant situations like this not hammering often has a long term impact on thread WIM. (Technically you can argue that hammering early deprives solving time and is bad but in practice people lose energy and often don't regain that energy at critical moments later so better to trim time that isn't being used and us just draining morale).

I was also an advocate of not hammering for as long as I felt that people were going to use the time effectively but since people didn't seem to be needing that time I considered ~24 hours to be long enough and stated that I was happy to hammer if others were.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:22 pm**

I think hammering or not is completely NAI.

We'd pretty much agreed on it like 2 hours into the day phase lol.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:23 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:18 pm You are bad with Lime Coke. What do you do?

1. Create chaos in thread
2. Have Lime Coke lynch you over clever "slip up"
3. Protect Lime Coke to get through Day 1 whole
4. Try to get JJJ lynched for fun
5. Any or all of the above
6. Squander first time being bad with Lime Coke

Spoiler: show

6. Bus the hell out of my friend Brad, skating all game on the town credit

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:24 pm**

Fwuw Epi I also don't think you're wolfing.

But I need to think over things some more.

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