Anniversary Game 4 - Staff vs AtE D4

[Epignosis]

Not quite off work yet, but things have quieted down. Do give me a moment and I'll be with you.

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis You seem quite flippant as to who you suspect and who you're willing to vote. Are you flippant? What is going on in your head, regarding how you read every single one here?

I am not quite flippant. I am very flippant.

As to your second question, I aim to determine that this evening.

[Epignosis]

@lucy There are two things that apparently hasn't dawned on you, which I think should've if you were town.

1. I'm mech cleared by being a slank vig who killed Ruri. Because a) If I was mafia, I would never kill Ruri before I killed Violet. I have experience with Ruri, and she has always been a low poster who is mischop bait. She was also up for a chop on D1 this game. Violet, however, is a player I played in champs with and who is normally very active. If both are town, I would choose Violet every time. b) I would have no incentive to claim that I killed Ruri as mafia. I would just kill her and not say anything. c) I would not forfeit the role of a vig if I was mafia. The reason I did it was precisely because I did not want mafia to inherit it if they killed me.

2. Literally the only person I could be teamed with would be Daisy from ypov. All others are non-options. I'm not going to explain why unless you want me to.

Guess I have to do a meaningless buss vote then.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Spoiler: show

As in town on town

6-2 at best and you want to lynch town. Unbelievable.

@lucy Is this a town post?

what was rico's previous read on tsp, that might've been a slip but I'm not convinced

This is off. You literally had a big discussion with Rico about his TSP town read and him thinking TSP was definitely town from TSP saying to shoot Dolby. That was like Rico's main thing on D2. You said you reread.

However, what you do remember, is that Boq town read both you and Rico, and that is in the forefront of your mind. (Never mind that Boq actually town read everyone except TSP and Violet. So by your own logic... everyone but Violet should be more town from Boq dying.)

This is lopsided. You are picking and choosing information to fit a narrative instead of weighing the information to come to the right conclusion.

What I don't understand here is this:

1. Why does lucy need to be a civilian to understand what you are describing? Why is that something only civilians can "get?"

2. How does your kill of Ruri mechanically clear you? You say "mech," but then follow it up with stuff you would do if this or that. That isn't mechanics. That's you asking us to believe something about you.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

How's that for flippancy?

[Epignosis]

I'm not going against dizzy on this though. If dizzy is bad, oh well.

Lucy is my vote.

[Epignosis]

2. Literally the only person I could be teamed with would be Daisy from ypov. All others are non-options. I'm not going to explain why unless you want me to.

You reek of Golden from Game 1.

[Epignosis]

Fixed the tag:

2. Literally the only person I could be teamed with would be Daisy from ypov. All others are non-options. I'm not going to explain why unless you want me to.

You reek of Golden from Game 1.

[Epignosis]

also my brain reads your name as moontwink

Lucy v lol

(For legal reasons, this is a joke. Don't want that on my record when Lucy flips w)

i finally get to play with jack. yay!

TH/Jack not w/w

TH probably town anyway, but yeah.

1/4th of the way to Dolby (4)

what's your experience, read accuracy, and strengths/weaknesses as mafia and town

are u gonna lowpost?

eh i do stuff and can pretty meticulous when i want to put the effort in to be meticulous

but i don't really anymore

probably gonna lowpost tbh

I see moonwink doesn't get a question about her mafia play, she fool you recently or something?

Interesting observation. Does this tell you something, @Dolby?

And was there a particular reason you didn't ask Moontwink for his strengths as mafia, @lucy?

Who thinks TripleHaven and Moonwink are phonies right off the bat?

Not really. I just think they have light, fluffy and pink auras.

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

I'm also making the terrible decision of trusting moonwink for today after some amount of over-thinking

don't feel like I have anything else to say atm other than re-iterating my activity for D1 will be fairly low; expect practically no activity from me once it goes beyond 24 hours from now. D2+ should be much better.

What did you over-think over Moonwink about?

well last/only time I played with them I was hesitant on town reading them but was correct when I did

thing is large part of what I town-read them for back then, they're kinda doing a fair amount this game as if its just natural to them regardless of alignment

but I found something new that I feel points to town, and I'm not going to elaborate on my thoughts beyond that for now

Pretty sure I like this post decently well.

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I expected a lot more content actually.

@lucy, what's my experience, read accuracy, and strengths/weaknesses as mafia and town? And how are you going to approach me based on that?

If I throw out vibes reads I'd lean town on the following: Moon, Martin and TH. If you are town, let's be friends, okeee?

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine Shallow questions or something I don't know

The dual "I'm interacting with Dolby and lucy" thing here without interacting with them is fun.

Immediately after, TripleHaven and Moonwink have "fluffy pink auras." That's the extent of my reaction from Dys. Sounds like Dys knows these two are not mafia but likewise knows that one or two of the previously mentioned are.

[Spacedaisy]

Morning. RIP TSP & Boq.

I've been on road yesterday, which synced well with the Night phase, and have a concert tonight and returning home tomorrow, which syncs less well with the Day phase. Will drop when I can today and more towards EOD tomorrow.

The TSP mislynch didn't clear stuff for me, since my reads were at lucy wagon wolf with Dolby, Violet backbench wolf, and maybe Dizzy sheeping us (whilst also wagon wolf with Dolby) or Boquise sheeping us hard. With Boquise kill, that leaves lucy / violet / dizzy.

Epig town, by virtue of his D2 action.
To which, my only small question mark would be that I am very confused as to why Moonwink's role flip seems identical to Epig's (or rather to how Epig's vig shot unfolded D2). Two policy killers in one game? Or some sort of copycat mechanism?

A central mechanism for the game is that roles can be inherited. Both me and Epig has chosen to inherit the role of the one we killed. Which makes it so that our original role is the one revealed.

I'm thinking this might be a derp for you maybe, as I think mafia would probably know this? Cause I'm pretty sure they also get the choice to inherit a role with kills they make.

Wait you killed someone? Who did you kill?

[Spacedaisy]

Why lucy?

Well, why not you?

You wouldn't like that.

I'm not voting me.

That's obvious.

There's Ricochet and Violet and Dys left.

So I'm going to turn this back around on you: RIcochet, Violet or Dyslexicon?

Its not you and it's not me. So at least two mafia in the following four:

Who does lucy suspect?
Epi and Dizzy

Who does Dizzy suspect?
lucy, rico, or violet

Who does Rico suspect?
Judging from yesterday lucy and violet

Who does violet suspect?
Rico and Dizzy


But I think it's like there is distancing now. Also wolves will want to keep as many from removed from the PoE as possible. So Dizzy with three people in their suspect list gives me a little warning bell.
Rico shows up in two suspect lists, as does Dizzy. Lucy is in three. But does wolf lucy try and make Epi of all people look bad? That seems like a stretch to me, town reading Epi is a better move for a wolf there. it won't look like TMI, but it also will make you look town-sided.

I think looking at those that if lucy is town, looking at this list of who is listing who in their PoE, I lean Rico and Dizzy. But it is really based on what I think the most likely play from a wolf is, it's not based on fact.

Let me ask you this. If it is lucy, who is most likely the teammate in your opinion?

I don't really understand what you're saying in this post. Can you rephrase, or tell me how much this weighs for you?

Who is independently the most wolfy to you?

Also, are there pairings you think are unlikely?

^Questions for everyone btw

I don't know who is most wolfy because they have all flipped civ so far so I don't trust my reads on individuals.

Least likely pairing looking at that list in my mind is Rico and violet. They both list each other, and that limits the wolves ability to wriggle out of reads and naturally appear to move on to other susicions. I trust people who list more suspects less, because wolves need to keep as much suspicion around as they can. PoE is not their friend. That would be you and Rico, both now having three suspects listed.

[Spacedaisy]

I have read every post in this game and yet somehow I am still apparently missing major points that have happened. I got it now, Dizzy is claiming to have killed Ruri. And is saying that when you kill someone, if you take on their role then your discarded role is revealed as theirs. Man, this took me a long time to catch on to.

[Epignosis]

Dyslexicon is mafia.

[Spacedaisy]

Why are you so sure of it?

[Epignosis]

Why are you so sure of it?

Post 1103

[Epignosis]

I have read every post in this game and yet somehow I am still apparently missing major points that have happened. I got it now, Dizzy is claiming to have killed Ruri. And is saying that when you kill someone, if you take on their role then your discarded role is revealed as theirs. Man, this took me a long time to catch on to.

You're dizzy's teammate.

[Epignosis]

@lucy @Violet @Ricochet

Please vote.

[Spacedaisy]

I have read every post in this game and yet somehow I am still apparently missing major points that have happened. I got it now, Dizzy is claiming to have killed Ruri. And is saying that when you kill someone, if you take on their role then your discarded role is revealed as theirs. Man, this took me a long time to catch on to.

You're dizzy's teammate.

Only if Dizzy is Town.

[Epignosis]

I have read every post in this game and yet somehow I am still apparently missing major points that have happened. I got it now, Dizzy is claiming to have killed Ruri. And is saying that when you kill someone, if you take on their role then your discarded role is revealed as theirs. Man, this took me a long time to catch on to.

You're dizzy's teammate.

Only if Dizzy is Town.

If.

[Epignosis]

Spacedaisy is Dys' mafia partner because she thinks I'm good but won't consider Dys as bad. There's no room for that thinking.

I'm sorry if I'm too late for this, but that's how it goes.

[Epignosis]

People I'm probably not gonna look at the rest of today because I (genuinely) think they could be town: Lucy, Boquise.

I have Moonwink's role. So I won't vote Lucy.

[Epignosis]

The mafia is Dyslexicon and Spacedaisy.

[Spacedaisy]

Why are you so sure of it?

Post 1103

two questions for you:

1. Has anyone disputed that Dizzy killed Ruri?
2. Do you see a wolf reason for Dizzy to have given up the role Ruri was flipped? Or to have refused it?

[Spacedaisy]

Spacedaisy is Dys' mafia partner because she thinks I'm good but won't consider Dys as bad. There's no room for that thinking.

I'm sorry if I'm too late for this, but that's how it goes.

When have I said I won't consider Dizzy bad? This is not what any of my most recent posts have said. I specifically said that Dizzy listing three suspects looked shady because PoE is not a wolf's friend.

Me asking questions and trying to understand what Dizzy is saying and consider if there is any merit to it is not the same as me thinking Dizzy is good.

[Epignosis]

Why are you so sure of it?

Post 1103

two questions for you:

1. Has anyone disputed that Dizzy killed Ruri?
2. Do you see a wolf reason for Dizzy to have given up the role Ruri was flipped? Or to have refused it?

You're not hunting. You're bad.

[Epignosis]

Spacedaisy is Dys' mafia partner because she thinks I'm good but won't consider Dys as bad. There's no room for that thinking.

I'm sorry if I'm too late for this, but that's how it goes.

When have I said I won't consider Dizzy bad? This is not what any of my most recent posts have said. I specifically said that Dizzy listing three suspects looked shady because PoE is not a wolf's friend.

Me asking questions and trying to understand what Dizzy is saying and consider if there is any merit to it is not the same as me thinking Dizzy is good.

You're not hunting. You're bad.

[Epignosis]

Spacedaisy is my friend and I love her:

But she isn't hunting- she is bad.

[Spacedaisy]

You are wrong about me and being entirely unhelpful at this point. So carry on thinking what you want.

[Epignosis]

You are wrong about me and being entirely unhelpful at this point. So carry on thinking what you want.

I will.

[Epignosis]

Look, I'm voting Dys before you. Dys is mafia.

[Epignosis]

Won't you vote Dys with me?

[Spacedaisy]

I would like to see where Rico votes before I consider moving.

[Epignosis]

I would like to see where Rico votes before I consider moving.

What does Rico's vote have to do with yours?

Are you not here to vote out mafia members?

[Spacedaisy]

If the spread stays this way, I will definitely move though, because a tie is not an option here. I would move to either Dizzy or Lucy at this point. A vote on you is just completely baffling to me. I don't know what the deal is with lucy's vote.

[Epignosis]

I'm going to bed.

Vote Dys out.

That is mafia.

[Spacedaisy]

I would like to see where Rico votes before I consider moving.

What does Rico's vote have to do with yours?

Are you not here to vote out mafia members?

Because I think seeing connections and interactions matter. It could help inform my decision of where my vote ends up.

[robyn]

@lucy @Violet @Ricochet

Please vote.

hi

[robyn]

. I don't know what the deal is with lucy's vote.

was just testing something, dizzy should've followed me, since she didn't it's very suspicious

[robyn]

The mafia is Dyslexicon and Spacedaisy.

yeah a dizzy vote is actually someone I wanna do

[robyn]

1/4th of the way to Dolby (4)

what's your experience, read accuracy, and strengths/weaknesses as mafia and town

are u gonna lowpost?

eh i do stuff and can pretty meticulous when i want to put the effort in to be meticulous

but i don't really anymore

probably gonna lowpost tbh

I see moonwink doesn't get a question about her mafia play, she fool you recently or something?

NO, WTF. ;-; You're banned from #TeamMoonwink

Is it weird that I’m wondering how to not have my first post be scummy when I’m not even scum? =p

You're a PR then? ;D

Yes. Killing me N2 would probably be ideal.

whose the dedicated n1 kill?

Also me, but it will fail.

[robyn]

dizzy teasing a n1 nk (ergo proclaiming themselves the best player in the game (which is true imo))
since she's still alive without a single successful Lynch I am very inclined to policy her

[robyn]

If the spread stays this way, I will definitely move though, because a tie is not an option here. I would move to either Dizzy or Lucy at this point. A vote on you is just completely baffling to me. I don't know what the deal is with lucy's vote.

it's ridiculous right?
last time I had a 100% confidence read I was right on dizzy and she won a game as mafia
I expected her to follow me because of this fact
because she didn't my conclusion is that she's too agenda'ed to actually bend to my will, ergo mafia

[Spacedaisy]

If the spread stays this way, I will definitely move though, because a tie is not an option here. I would move to either Dizzy or Lucy at this point. A vote on you is just completely baffling to me. I don't know what the deal is with lucy's vote.

it's ridiculous right?
last time I had a 100% confidence read I was right on dizzy and she won a game as mafia
I expected her to follow me because of this fact
because she didn't my conclusion is that she's too agenda'ed to actually bend to my will, ergo mafia

So you are saying your vote on Epi was an attempt to test Dizzy. Ok. I don't know what i think of that, but it's at least an explanation.

[robyn]

@Spacedaisy I think team is dizzy/violet or dizzy rico, either way dizzy clearing rico suddenly is disgusting, she was almost certainly setting up to push me instead of violet and pocketing rico in the process if he's town. and implicitly avoiding any votes on violet because they're lovers and dizzy or violet would die. hard to judge because it's lylo

[robyn]

either way I'll real time with u now

[Spacedaisy]

Real time with me?

[robyn]

Real time with me?

like talk to you in the moment, instead of a few messages between hours when the other person isn't directly online

[Spacedaisy]

I have a hard time reconciling Dizzy's behavior with wolf, especially yesterday unless they are protecting someone. Also, seeing their explanation of mech things I missed, gives me pause. I don't quite understand why it doesn't give anyone else pause.

I would rather see us voting Rico today, frankly. I'll move if I have to though.

[robyn]

you can talk to me in real time

[Spacedaisy]

I get that.

Have you read Dizzy's case for them being "mech cleared"? I don't think they are actually mech cleared, because as Epi pointed out, it requires believing they did what they say, however, I can't see a mafia reason to have passed on the role the Ruri flipped.

[Spacedaisy]

That's my reason to pause on Dizzy atm.