Anniversary Game 4 - Staff vs AtE D4

[robyn]

@Dyslexicon epig is a god read, sheep me, I am 100% confident

[Epignosis]

@Dyslexicon epig is a god read, sheep me, I am 100% confident

"A god read?"

Man. That's impressive. You'll have to show me how to do that some time.

I'm going to have a bourbon.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

[robyn]

@Dyslexicon epig is a god read, sheep me, I am 100% confident

"A god read?"

Man. That's impressive. You'll have to show me how to do that some time.

I'm going to have a bourbon.

dizzy's seen it first hand, same with boq here

[Spacedaisy]

Because you are the person who looks most solidly town. I fully expected that you would die last night.

It seems like everyone has some combination of Rico in their solve. I'm willing to put a vote there for now, see what happens. [VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

I cleared myself (unless you believe mafia got a free kill in a JJJ designed game).

As long as there's a kill, there's no reason to ask why I'm still alive. The answer to that is that mafia picked someone else.

Yes and I want to know why.

[Dyslexicon]

Because you are the person who looks most solidly town. I fully expected that you would die last night.

It seems like everyone has some combination of Rico in their solve. I'm willing to put a vote there for now, see what happens. [VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

I cleared myself (unless you believe mafia got a free kill in a JJJ designed game).

As long as there's a kill, there's no reason to ask why I'm still alive. The answer to that is that mafia picked someone else.

The first statement here has a lot of town energy.

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslexicon epig is a god read, sheep me, I am 100% confident

No.

[robyn]

@Dyslexicon epig is a god read, sheep me, I am 100% confident

No.

hard disagree

[Epignosis]

My vote is on Ricochet because he's going through the motions. Walls of text were so 2015.

I do not have a conviction there, but I will NOT wait until the last minute this time to vote like I did last time. My vote will be informed this round.

[robyn]

yeah tbh I can't advocate for epig over rico

[Dyslexicon]

@lucy There are two things that apparently hasn't dawned on you, which I think should've if you were town.

1. I'm mech cleared by being a slank vig who killed Ruri. Because a) If I was mafia, I would never kill Ruri before I killed Violet. I have experience with Ruri, and she has always been a low poster who is mischop bait. She was also up for a chop on D1 this game. Violet, however, is a player I played in champs with and who is normally very active. If both are town, I would choose Violet every time. b) I would have no incentive to claim that I killed Ruri as mafia. I would just kill her and not say anything. c) I would not forfeit the role of a vig if I was mafia. The reason I did it was precisely because I did not want mafia to inherit it if they killed me.

2. Literally the only person I could be teamed with would be Daisy from ypov. All others are non-options. I'm not going to explain why unless you want me to.

Guess I have to do a meaningless buss vote then.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Spoiler: show

As in town on town

6-2 at best and you want to lynch town. Unbelievable.

@lucy Is this a town post?

what was rico's previous read on tsp, that might've been a slip but I'm not convinced

This is off. You literally had a big discussion with Rico about his TSP town read and him thinking TSP was definitely town from TSP saying to shoot Dolby. That was like Rico's main thing on D2. You said you reread.

However, what you do remember, is that Boq town read both you and Rico, and that is in the forefront of your mind. (Never mind that Boq actually town read everyone except TSP and Violet. So by your own logic... everyone but Violet should be more town from Boq dying.)

This is lopsided. You are picking and choosing information to fit a narrative instead of weighing the information to come to the right conclusion.

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

3 town kill powers...

You also already slipped, but you know. "Slips aren't real" etc

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

Here's my issue.

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

"No! What the fuck?" - Spectator chat.

Yes, I break the fourth wall in Mafia games.

Hi spec chat. How you doin?

[Epignosis]

I'm prepared to lose, spec chat. Regardless if what happens, Violet has never voted. Not once. So with two mafia alive likely, what I do doesn't matter today. Oh well!

[Epignosis]

Or I can't count spec chat. That might be true as well.

[Epignosis]

Spec chat, I love you, and thank you for your support. Not stop sending me letters. I've work to do.

[Epignosis]

Spec chat, I love you, and thank you for your support. Not stop sending me letters. I've work to do.

*Now stop

[Spacedaisy]

I'm prepared to lose, spec chat. Regardless if what happens, Violet has never voted. Not once. So with two mafia alive likely, what I do doesn't matter today. Oh well!

What if Violet is bad? You believe Violet is town?

[Epignosis]

I'm prepared to lose, spec chat. Regardless if what happens, Violet has never voted. Not once. So with two mafia alive likely, what I do doesn't matter today. Oh well!

What if Violet is bad? You believe Violet is town?

That was posted when I couldn't count. I can count now. Maybe.

[Spacedaisy]

[Epignosis]

I'm not going against dizzy on this though. If dizzy is bad, oh well.

Lucy is my vote.

[Spacedaisy]

Why lucy?

[Epignosis]

Why lucy?

Well, why not you?

You wouldn't like that.

I'm not voting me.

That's obvious.

There's Ricochet and Violet and Dys left.

So I'm going to turn this back around on you: RIcochet, Violet or Dyslexicon?

[Epignosis]

Or if you prefer, why NOT lucy?

[Epignosis]

And to answer your question, I'm hitching my wagon to Dys this time.

[Spacedaisy]

Why lucy?

Well, why not you?

You wouldn't like that.

I'm not voting me.

That's obvious.

There's Ricochet and Violet and Dys left.

So I'm going to turn this back around on you: RIcochet, Violet or Dyslexicon?

Its not you and it's not me. So at least two mafia in the following four:

Who does lucy suspect?
Epi and Dizzy

Who does Dizzy suspect?
lucy, rico, or violet

Who does Rico suspect?
Judging from yesterday lucy and violet

Who does violet suspect?
Rico and Dizzy


But I think it's like there is distancing now. Also wolves will want to keep as many from removed from the PoE as possible. So Dizzy with three people in their suspect list gives me a little warning bell.
Rico shows up in two suspect lists, as does Dizzy. Lucy is in three. But does wolf lucy try and make Epi of all people look bad? That seems like a stretch to me, town reading Epi is a better move for a wolf there. it won't look like TMI, but it also will make you look town-sided.

I think looking at those that if lucy is town, looking at this list of who is listing who in their PoE, I lean Rico and Dizzy. But it is really based on what I think the most likely play from a wolf is, it's not based on fact.

Let me ask you this. If it is lucy, who is most likely the teammate in your opinion?

[Spacedaisy]

Or if you prefer, why NOT lucy?

I don't think it makes sense for a wolf to come after you. I don't see the benefit in it.

[Ricochet]

Morning. RIP TSP & Boq.

I've been on road yesterday, which synced well with the Night phase, and have a concert tonight and returning home tomorrow, which syncs less well with the Day phase. Will drop when I can today and more towards EOD tomorrow.

The TSP mislynch didn't clear stuff for me, since my reads were at lucy wagon wolf with Dolby, Violet backbench wolf, and maybe Dizzy sheeping us (whilst also wagon wolf with Dolby) or Boquise sheeping us hard. With Boquise kill, that leaves lucy / violet / dizzy.

Epig town, by virtue of his D2 action.
To which, my only small question mark would be that I am very confused as to why Moonwink's role flip seems identical to Epig's (or rather to how Epig's vig shot unfolded D2). Two policy killers in one game? Or some sort of copycat mechanism?

Daisy town, but no lock on it.

Guess I have to do a meaningless buss vote then.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Spoiler: show

As in town on town

6-2 at best and you want to lynch town. Unbelievable.

This post is just outing. I haven't seen anything scummier since DigitalDude from this year's champs.

I reacted to the text put in spoilers (why you placed it in spoilers being a question in itself).

You ended EOD voting someone you believed was town. Of course I found it gross.

And you could be grinning at us in doing all of this.

I believe Daisy is town and I believe Epig is town. I believe Daisy has found Epig as town.

I think Rico is pretty much always mafia. The partner is either Violet or Lucy. It's iiinteresting that I was loverized with Violet, and didn't wake up dead.

I'm actually pretty confident in this solve. But that doesn't mean I won't have an open mind.

What do you mean, "pretty much always"?

Some call me the loverizer. They are mistaken, as I am much more like a hostage taker. I pair myself with a player I suspect is a wolf and if wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own. If I used my powers succesfully that is.

Currently I think Rico and Dizzy are the likeliest wolves. Boq started to trouble me a bit after TSP's flip, but that slot doesn't require solving any longer.

Host's ruled that no roles are alignment-proof, so my issue is that this vig claim reads much too failproof as town powers go.

Epig's vig was conditioned by being voted, so he could attract town or wolf alike - as proven, it turned out a town casualty.
Jack's vig was sacrificial.

Your vig power is the least "bastard", as stated.

Could just kill Violet first.

As in lynch? Or vig kill? Do you still have bullets? I thought you said during D2 that, after Ruri, you don't.

Lucy
daisy

violet

epig
trebuchet
twink

How did you progress from "me being TR by boq" to putting me last bottom?

How on earth is Epig bad in your view?

My vote is on Ricochet because he's going through the motions. Walls of text were so 2015.

I do not have a conviction there, but I will NOT wait until the last minute this time to vote like I did last time. My vote will be informed this round.

Don't get what you mean by going through motions. And I am indeed ancient and antiquated.

How do my Day performances read to you?

===

Think that's about it, for now.

[Spacedaisy]

Rico, who is in your PoE right now

[Ricochet]

lucy / violet / dizzy

[Dyslexicon]

@TonyStarkPrime flips TOWN:

**Dirty Angleshooter**

You're a filthy angleshooter. Yuck! Once per game, at night, you may submit a "dirty" read on one player to the host (it's up to you to defend why it's a dirty read). You will receive an alignment check on that player. The only parts of this role you can claim are the name and the alignment check.

You are town

Night actions due in about 22 hours. Event winner will be notified shortly.

Spoiler: show

@ Boquise
@ Dyslexicon
@ Epignosis
@ lucy
@ Ricochet
@ Spacedaisy
@ Violet

TSP's role was basically a cop. He did say:

I did not submit an action successfully whoops

Which means, unless he was lying, his action failed. Maybe he didn't submit a read that was "dirty" enough. Or maybe me and Rico's unknown action towards him fucked it up (whoops), or maybe he just forgot.

angleshoot attempt failed

This does again seem to confirm that his action failed. Since his action had angleshoot flavour.

ok now that moonwink is dead my new lock-in is that daisy is a wolf (sorry daisy)

Then I was wondering if he had red checked Daisy, because of his strong read there and how he worded it.

@TonyStarkPrime Your vote is bad and on a player who is never going to get chopped today.

Do you have a preference between the following: Lucy, Rico and Violet?

I’m going to read this as mech but I am pretty confident and not being mysterious on this one. Read daisy posts et
(Preference is not Rico)

Like this. Not being mysterious about it.

And I think he’s been spewed town by Daisy

And assuming Daisy mafia.

Thanks, I hate it. So I think Daisy is town. The strong read there is weird and comes from nowhere. I wish TSP was around later in the day to make himself clearer when he was in the vote lead.

I do think the earlier evidence shows that TSP actually did miss his action. Which would make Daisy not red checked.

I would hope that if TSP actually did have a valid red check, he would just say so.

I would hope. Reviewing this, I think it's just that TSP missed his action and I proceed with that world view in which I believe Daisy is town.

Can someone check my logic on this, regarding TSP's role?

[Dyslexicon]

Why lucy?

Well, why not you?

You wouldn't like that.

I'm not voting me.

That's obvious.

There's Ricochet and Violet and Dys left.

So I'm going to turn this back around on you: RIcochet, Violet or Dyslexicon?

Its not you and it's not me. So at least two mafia in the following four:

Who does lucy suspect?
Epi and Dizzy

Who does Dizzy suspect?
lucy, rico, or violet

Who does Rico suspect?
Judging from yesterday lucy and violet

Who does violet suspect?
Rico and Dizzy


But I think it's like there is distancing now. Also wolves will want to keep as many from removed from the PoE as possible. So Dizzy with three people in their suspect list gives me a little warning bell.
Rico shows up in two suspect lists, as does Dizzy. Lucy is in three. But does wolf lucy try and make Epi of all people look bad? That seems like a stretch to me, town reading Epi is a better move for a wolf there. it won't look like TMI, but it also will make you look town-sided.

I think looking at those that if lucy is town, looking at this list of who is listing who in their PoE, I lean Rico and Dizzy. But it is really based on what I think the most likely play from a wolf is, it's not based on fact.

Let me ask you this. If it is lucy, who is most likely the teammate in your opinion?

I don't really understand what you're saying in this post. Can you rephrase, or tell me how much this weighs for you?

Who is independently the most wolfy to you?

Also, are there pairings you think are unlikely?

^Questions for everyone btw

[Dyslexicon]

Morning. RIP TSP & Boq.

I've been on road yesterday, which synced well with the Night phase, and have a concert tonight and returning home tomorrow, which syncs less well with the Day phase. Will drop when I can today and more towards EOD tomorrow.

The TSP mislynch didn't clear stuff for me, since my reads were at lucy wagon wolf with Dolby, Violet backbench wolf, and maybe Dizzy sheeping us (whilst also wagon wolf with Dolby) or Boquise sheeping us hard. With Boquise kill, that leaves lucy / violet / dizzy.

Epig town, by virtue of his D2 action.
To which, my only small question mark would be that I am very confused as to why Moonwink's role flip seems identical to Epig's (or rather to how Epig's vig shot unfolded D2). Two policy killers in one game? Or some sort of copycat mechanism?

A central mechanism for the game is that roles can be inherited. Both me and Epig has chosen to inherit the role of the one we killed. Which makes it so that our original role is the one revealed.

I'm thinking this might be a derp for you maybe, as I think mafia would probably know this? Cause I'm pretty sure they also get the choice to inherit a role with kills they make.

Guess I have to do a meaningless buss vote then.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Spoiler: show

As in town on town

6-2 at best and you want to lynch town. Unbelievable.

This post is just outing. I haven't seen anything scummier since DigitalDude from this year's champs.

I reacted to the text put in spoilers (why you placed it in spoilers being a question in itself).

You ended EOD voting someone you believed was town. Of course I found it gross.

And you could be grinning at us in doing all of this.

Ok. Well, my vote didn't matter at all, TSP was getting chopped anyway. I said what I said to see what reactions I got/I just did it.

Sometimes I feel like you take things quite literally and seriously, will you say that is fair?

I believe Daisy is town and I believe Epig is town. I believe Daisy has found Epig as town.

I think Rico is pretty much always mafia. The partner is either Violet or Lucy. It's iiinteresting that I was loverized with Violet, and didn't wake up dead.

I'm actually pretty confident in this solve. But that doesn't mean I won't have an open mind.

What do you mean, "pretty much always"?

I meant, in most scenarios I see as likely. However, I'm not sure anymore. If you are town, we better work some things out. We can't afford to misread each other if that is the case.

Some call me the loverizer. They are mistaken, as I am much more like a hostage taker. I pair myself with a player I suspect is a wolf and if wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own. If I used my powers succesfully that is.

Currently I think Rico and Dizzy are the likeliest wolves. Boq started to trouble me a bit after TSP's flip, but that slot doesn't require solving any longer.

Host's ruled that no roles are alignment-proof, so my issue is that this vig claim reads much too failproof as town powers go.

Epig's vig was conditioned by being voted, so he could attract town or wolf alike - as proven, it turned out a town casualty.
Jack's vig was sacrificial.

Your vig power is the least "bastard", as stated.

My role was not one shot like the other two.

You would have to believe that the hosts gave a role that could always kill a low or high poster in addition to their regular night kill every night to believe I'm mafia. It is very common on syndicate that several posters have more than 150 posts per day, especially in the beginning (see the other anniversary games.)

In addition you have to believe that I used it to get rid of a low poster that I know is mischop bait, that I claimed the role (which I didn't have to) and that I gave it up as well.

Everyone who has me in their PoE needs to connect these dots. @Violet @lucy @Spacedaisy

There are not many players left. This is the simplest way to know I'm town if you don't want to. I have yet to see anyone give a single reason why I'm possible mafia here. That's whatever, but please take into account that my role has actually cleared me.

Could just kill Violet first.

As in lynch? Or vig kill? Do you still have bullets? I thought you said during D2 that, after Ruri, you don't.

Yes. I meant kill by chop. And yes, I have a completely different role now. I only had the vig on N1 and chose to inherit Ruri's instead because I didn't want mafia to potentially get mine, cause I think it would be bad in mafia hands, as I've said a few times now already.

Also, for anyone having me and Violet in PoE, you should probably argue that we are the best chop. Cause that is two in one, if you believe at least one of us is mafia. I've already shown quite extensively why it does not make sense to believe I'm mafia.

[Dyslexicon]

Rico might just be town from not knowing how inheriting roles work. That changes the PoE for me.

[Dyslexicon]

@Epignosis You seem quite flippant as to who you suspect and who you're willing to vote. Are you flippant? What is going on in your head, regarding how you read every single one here?

[Dyslexicon]

@Violet You have 13 posts in the game. You apparently suspected me enough to loverize with me for "insurance", yet you said or answered nothing of value in our chat to figure me out. You have had me in PoE for "range". Are you just not interested in the game or is there something going on? I expect so much more from you, tbh. Not meant as a dig. But I haven't felt you trying to figure out my alignment at all.

[Ricochet]

Both me and Epig has chosen to inherit the role of the one we killed. Which makes it so that our original role is the one revealed.

I may indeed miss full implication of the inheritance mechanics.

I understand the first part and indeed have understood that Epignosis has inherited Moonwink's role after he killed her.

Yet Epignosis also stated his Policy Kill is his original role, not an inherited one.

The second part, I do not understand it as well.

Can you bring more clarity to why Moonwink's flip is shown as the Policy Kill role itself?

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[Ricochet]

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Ok. Well, my vote didn't matter at all, TSP was getting chopped anyway. I said what I said to see what reactions I got/I just did it.

Sometimes I feel like you take things quite literally and seriously, will you say that is fair?

In an incorrigible way.

My problem is that you doubted or disputed the TSP lynch would flip mafia. If you were fine with lynching and getting a flip answer out of TSP, I feel you probably could have phrased it better.

[Dyslexicon]

Both me and Epig has chosen to inherit the role of the one we killed. Which makes it so that our original role is the one revealed.

I may indeed miss full implication of the inheritance mechanics.

I understand the first part and indeed have understood that Epignosis has inherited Moonwink's role after he killed her.

Yet Epignosis also stated his Policy Kill is his original role, not an inherited one.

The second part, I do not understand it as well.

Can you bring more clarity to why Moonwink's flip is shown as the Policy Kill role itself?

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Because apparently the one you inherit the role from will flip as the role you had to start with. Moon flipped as Epig's original role.

So the role Ruri flipped, which is shown in the start of D2 post, is my original role.

I didn't realise this either, until I saw Ruri flip

[Ricochet]

Ah. That clarifies it indeed. I was scratching my scalp to the bone around that flip reveal.

Cheers.

[Dyslexicon]

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Ok. Well, my vote didn't matter at all, TSP was getting chopped anyway. I said what I said to see what reactions I got/I just did it.

Sometimes I feel like you take things quite literally and seriously, will you say that is fair?

In an incorrigible way.

My problem is that you doubted or disputed the TSP lynch would flip mafia. If you were fine with lynching and getting a flip answer out of TSP, I feel you probably could have phrased it better.

I mean, my thoughts towards TSP were not very binary. I actually did think he was likely town. You will noticed I suggested both you and Violet as possible chops over him. However, me voting very last minute, had no effect on the outcome. It was more of a gimmick if anything. Me saying he is town (apart from being "weird", which is one of my go to states when I'm confused or things aren't going the way I wish, kind of like how Moon acted, just I'm not doing it all the time lol) also egotistically serves me in that either I'm right that he's town, or mafia is flipped, so both kind of wins. Not that "being right" really is a win if I didn't push it or do something about it. I don't know if this makes sense to you.

[Dyslexicon]

Ah. That clarifies it indeed. I was scratching my scalp to the bone around that flip reveal.

Cheers.

[robyn]

Rico might just be town from not knowing how inheriting roles work. That changes the PoE for me.

something something do u believe that epig/violet is viable?
(i still suspect u but u die with violet so lol)

also i’m depressed and i’m not gonna be on much today

[robyn]

sorry

[robyn]

my vote stays on epig

[robyn]

he’s a wolf, i am confident

[Dyslexicon]

Rico might just be town from not knowing how inheriting roles work. That changes the PoE for me.

something something do u believe that epig/violet is viable?
(i still suspect u but u die with violet so lol)

also i’m depressed and i’m not gonna be on much today

Sorry for the depressed feeling.

It's literally not possible that I'm mafia with my claim. I've outlined why, and I feel like you should be able to get it.

I will indeed want to talk to Epig. It would help if you could express exactly why you are confident there.

[Violet]

@Violet I know you're a finalist and all but how competent are you and what's your read accuracy like

I have lost six champs games in a row now despite being finalist. I am better at finding town than I am finding wolves though.

[Violet]

Me and Violet had a loverized chat for N3. I need to know if anyone had the power to make that. I asked @Violet if he made it, but he didn't answer that and was barely present with no game content. Violet, if you're ever town here, you got to show it like never before.

@lucy Last day you said you had the intuition (or whatever) that there was mafia between me and Rico. You're probably right about that, as I said. I need you to explain where this view comes from. And I very much need you to explain why you chose to not vote Rico with your whole spiel about me catching mafia or being mafia. What thoughts on your mind took precedence enough to make you vote TSP?

I think I made the same mistake not killing into you/rico, however I think due to 3 ML's in a row and the boq nk where he TR rico, you might be scum lmao

although bc I am educated on mafia theory directly accusing you is worthless, so I will not directly argue or anything, but you're my current suspicion

also I am really dead inside because of my outrageous blunder earlier and I have to reread thread, and it's kinda hard to focus

@Dyslexicon @Violet question: why did boq die over daisy and epig and me

I think you raise a valid point.

I don't think you'd raise this point as a wolf.

Of those two I would say Epig is more likely wolf than Daisy.