The Syndicate

Marl tunnels me again when I'm towning. I feel deja vu all of a sudden.

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Message from: dunya

hi guys! quick note to all: i would appreciate if people kept personal insults out of the game as they sour the game for everyone (even if YOU can dish it and receive it). alison has a NO TOXIC POSTS rule in place and she isn't afraid to modkill. i don't want that to happen! be kind to each other, be respectful and keep personal attacks out of it. if you have any concerns or complaints, direct them @ me or Jay via PM or discord. thanks for reading! enjoy the game!

Comrades it's time to retire for the night.
I'll catch you all later.

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:53 pm I don't think anyone here wouldn't know that WInston Smith isn't the protagonist in 1984.
Dunno maybe I'm wrong?

I only know that because I read 1984 a couple of months ago for the first time.

Esooa says there is a Traitor in the game, is that real?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:32 am

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:53 pm I don't think anyone here wouldn't know that WInston Smith isn't the protagonist in 1984.
Dunno maybe I'm wrong?

I only know that because I read 1984 a couple of months ago for the first time.

Esooa says there is a Traitor in the game, is that real?

50/50 chance

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:32 am Marl tunnels me again when I'm towning. I feel deja vu all of a sudden.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:47 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:32 am

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:53 pm I don't think anyone here wouldn't know that WInston Smith isn't the protagonist in 1984.
Dunno maybe I'm wrong?

I only know that because I read 1984 a couple of months ago for the first time.

Esooa says there is a Traitor in the game, is that real?

50/50 chance

I know the rules, I know it's Schrödinger's Traitor and that we could all be in for a repeat of G-Man's "everyone's Town ha-ha! Ha!" game. I'm saying Esooa sounds like she's 100% on a Traitor being present.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:03 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:47 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:32 am

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:53 pm I don't think anyone here wouldn't know that WInston Smith isn't the protagonist in 1984.
Dunno maybe I'm wrong?

I only know that because I read 1984 a couple of months ago for the first time.

Esooa says there is a Traitor in the game, is that real?

50/50 chance

I know the rules, I know it's Schrödinger's Traitor and that we could all be in for a repeat of G-Man's "everyone's Town ha-ha! Ha!" game. I'm saying Esooa sounds like she's 100% on a Traitor being present.

Yeah, I saw the post I think you're talking about. I dunno, I took it as just early town bravado. If she's the Traitor, she has no incentive to make that post IMO

I don't really understand how to approach this game, I feel like I'll flip a coin on Day 3 and hope for the best. I

I need to read the rules again maybe.

So we might all be Town, and if there's a wolf then there will never be any teammate interaction analysis because they're alone. Do we yeet based on personality??

I guess everyone has to try and make accusations, and then we see who gets killed for a couple of nights, and say "oh! Jim was killed and he suspected Jane and Keith, so one of them must be the Traitor!" But then the Traitor will kill someone who doesn't suspect them, of course. If there's a Traitor.

Has this style of game been played before? If so, how did it go?

we should be voting the most suspicious players d1 and d2 even if we decide there is no traitor on d3

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:03 pm I don't really understand how to approach this game, I feel like I'll flip a coin on Day 3 and hope for the best. I

If we try to lynch traitor D1 and D2 and just vote sleep D3, our chances to win are:

1/2 x (1 - 10/11 x 8/9) + 1/2 = 59.6%

If we choose to not ever vote sleep, our chances are:

1/2 x (1 - 10/11 x 8/9 x 6/7 x 4/5) = 22.3%

So it's probably more optimal to always vote sleep D3 and try to find traitor D1 or D2 incase there is one.

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:00 am

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:41 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:43 pm using fool proof methods I created just for this game alone I can tell you with supreme confidence that seanzie is town

This isn't a particularly controversial take, yet I have no reason to think otherwise.

EBWODP: In regard to Seanzie.

I have that effect on people.

Well this is boring.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:01 pm Well this is boring.

I know

Wished another mafia game started. It's kind of boring when I only have a game in which half the players aren't even playing.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:40 am

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Message from: dunya

hi guys! quick note to all: i would appreciate if people kept personal insults out of the game as they sour the game for everyone (even if YOU can dish it and receive it). alison has a NO TOXIC POSTS rule in place and she isn't afraid to modkill. i don't want that to happen! be kind to each other, be respectful and keep personal attacks out of it. if you have any concerns or complaints, direct them @ me or Jay via PM or discord. thanks for reading! enjoy the game!

Spoiler: show

@Made
@MacDougall
@Marluxion
@falcon45ca
@Long Con
@CRichard
@Gavial
@lost monkey
@Creature
@Esooa
@Seanzie

wow what's this announcement template?

Maybe the trick is is to determine what optimal baddie strats are and make that play as hard as possible. I don't think it makes sense to town lead here from scum perspective. What should scum be doing right now?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:28 pm Wished another mafia game started. It's kind of boring when I only have a game in which half the players aren't even playing.

I will asplode at some point today I just wanted some content first so my fake reads weren't so transparent

knowing Alison, there's a way to play this optimally, or else she wouldn't of made the game

A traitor would be more cautious that town, so conservative players should be who we target, not necessarily quiet players, but players who aren't risking it all. I feel like the lack of familiarity with the format would make traitor more risk adverse.

Made wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:48 pm knowing Alison, there's a way to play this optimally, or else she wouldn't of made the game

Optimal Play is to vote the scummiest person d1 and d2
and then decide whether or not you think there is even a wolf d3, basically win or lose the game on a coinflip

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:47 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:40 am

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Message from: dunya

hi guys! quick note to all: i would appreciate if people kept personal insults out of the game as they sour the game for everyone (even if YOU can dish it and receive it). alison has a NO TOXIC POSTS rule in place and she isn't afraid to modkill. i don't want that to happen! be kind to each other, be respectful and keep personal attacks out of it. if you have any concerns or complaints, direct them @ me or Jay via PM or discord. thanks for reading! enjoy the game!

Spoiler: show

@Made
@MacDougall
@Marluxion
@falcon45ca
@Long Con
@CRichard
@Gavial
@lost monkey
@Creature
@Esooa
@Seanzie

wow what's this announcement template?

Oops I guess

Made wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:47 pm Maybe the trick is is to determine what optimal baddie strats are and make that play as hard as possible. I don't think it makes sense to town lead here from scum perspective. What should scum be doing right now?

Like... blending? Tryharding? Should we cut the lowest posters? If you just look at this page of posts, who is the wolfiest?

Made wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:51 pm A traitor would be more cautious that town, so conservative players should be who we target, not necessarily quiet players, but players who aren't risking it all. I feel like the lack of familiarity with the format would make traitor more risk adverse.

Risking what all though??

Made wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:48 pm knowing Alison, there's a way to play this optimally, or else she wouldn't of made the game

I suppose. The point is we try to townread each other and eliminate the two most likely candidates for traitor if there is one. If none of them are traitor, then it's most optimal to sleep D3.

Hence we should treat D1 and D2 as if those are our only days to find the traitor.

Ok. I'll say Creature is town.

Though, we can gamble on a lynch D3 and if game doesn't end there we'll know there's a traitor.

Marluxion wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:51 pm

Made wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:48 pm knowing Alison, there's a way to play this optimally, or else she wouldn't of made the game

Optimal Play is to vote the scummiest person d1 and d2
and then decide whether or not you think there is even a wolf d3, basically win or lose the game on a coinflip

Yeah, D3 will be pretty much a coinflip. Though one flip will win us the game and other not necessarily.

Made wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:51 pm A traitor would be more cautious that town, so conservative players should be who we target, not necessarily quiet players, but players who aren't risking it all. I feel like the lack of familiarity with the format would make traitor more risk adverse.

I would rather we try to find each other town. It's way easier to find town this game and we really need to narrow down he traitor pool.

so I just read the rules

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:05 pm so I just read the rules

Congratulations

What is this post, some kind of derp attempt?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:02 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:55 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:51 pm Hmm I don't think Sean's, Mac's and Made's entrances come from traitor.

Hi, nice to meet you!

Why is "first" not an entrance a traitor would make?

I think there's a kind of "First!" I don't see traitor making

Ugh, I wanted to vote Gavial really bad, but now I want to vote you really bad, and I don't know what to do... I hope people don't think we're teammates since I'm being so waffly here.

Seanzie's in the bad pile.

Wondering if we should risk a lynch D3 and if we're wrong at least none of us wins here lol

I could see that post coming from a mafia pov

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:07 pm What is this post, some kind of derp attempt?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:02 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:55 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:51 pm Hmm I don't think Sean's, Mac's and Made's entrances come from traitor.

Hi, nice to meet you!

Why is "first" not an entrance a traitor would make?

I think there's a kind of "First!" I don't see traitor making

Ugh, I wanted to vote Gavial really bad, but now I want to vote you really bad, and I don't know what to do... I hope people don't think we're teammates since I'm being so waffly here.

Seanzie's in the bad pile.

Lol, let me know once you've gotten caught up and have some real thoughts.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:01 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:07 pm What is this post, some kind of derp attempt?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:02 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:55 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:51 pm Hmm I don't think Sean's, Mac's and Made's entrances come from traitor.

Hi, nice to meet you!

Why is "first" not an entrance a traitor would make?

I think there's a kind of "First!" I don't see traitor making

Ugh, I wanted to vote Gavial really bad, but now I want to vote you really bad, and I don't know what to do... I hope people don't think we're teammates since I'm being so waffly here.

Seanzie's in the bad pile.

Lol, let me know once you've gotten caught up and have some real thoughts.

Actually, by the looks of it, you already were caught up. Not a good look my friend, not a good look at all.

Marluxion wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:44 am I think Esooa is town and creature i'm not sold on being scum

why do you think I'm town lmao

falcon is also town

I am gonna go with we are in traitorless

For some reason this game has been put into the "active mafia games" section of the forum, but I call shenanigans!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:00 pm For some reason this game has been put into the "active mafia games" section of the forum, but I call shenanigans!

Yeah it's weird that this game isn't showing more activity.
Has this game been forgotten or what?

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:00 pm For some reason this game has been put into the "active mafia games" section of the forum, but I call shenanigans!

Yeah it's weird that this game isn't showing more activity.
Has this game been forgotten or what?

Apparently so. One person hasn't shown up yet, and many others just aren't posting. I'm a chronic low poster, and I am flabbergasted that I have the second highest post count right now.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:42 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:00 pm For some reason this game has been put into the "active mafia games" section of the forum, but I call shenanigans!

Yeah it's weird that this game isn't showing more activity.
Has this game been forgotten or what?

Apparently so. One person hasn't shown up yet, and many others just aren't posting. I'm a chronic low poster, and I am flabbergasted that I have the second highest post count right now.

It's also surprising I'm one of the top three posters so far.
I think I can count the number of games I was top poster on one hand.

I honestly don't remember Marl ever correctly town reading me at the start of game when I'm town.
That happens when Marl is town as well.

all this omg why is the game not active is very funny

Two games where Marl tunnels townies when they are town.
Unimeko and Things Joy Flavor.
Both of these games are on my home site.
https://forum.throneoflies.com/t/thing- ... wins/86704
https://forum.throneoflies.com/t/uminek ... /86554/294

So if the pattern is correct. Marl can't be our traitor.
Plusgood feelings.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:57 pm all this omg why is the game not active is very funny

Just complain about the thread being inactive 4Head.
That will make it active again.