The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:22 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:05 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:02 pm I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

Has this salad been observed yet? This is salad. I observe it.

It's not salad if they're all bad.

Yes it is. How do you feel about each of us here? Who is your top non-sig suspect outside of this thread?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:59 pm @speedchuck tell me about your day 3 vote.

Day 3 was my vote for Mac, yes?

Sig's slip relied on Mac being scum. It made more sense to lynch Mac first, to be sure. I've pretty consistently agreed with Dom's passionate reads on the both of them, from D2 or even earlier.

I did scumread Sig earlier, but by Day 3 Mac was just as good a lynch.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:22 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:05 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:02 pm I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

Has this salad been observed yet? This is salad. I observe it.

It's not salad if they're all bad.

Yes it is. How do you feel about each of us here? Who is your top non-sig suspect outside of this thread?

I fervently disagree. I had reasons for everyone I scumread there. The only one named who hasn't flipped yet is TH, who I still suspect. Call it piggy-backing on Dom if you will, but I'm on that. This not only does not fit the definition or template of player salad, it is accurate, provides reasons in previous posts, and caps it off by providing a direction I'm going in. Screw off with that.

Anyway.

This thread... It's easier to POE. I don't suspect G-Man or Juliets whatsoever. Michelle I hadn't hardly noticed before today, and her reaction to my posts feels like a read in bad faith. Like she's trying to look for the bad in posts that are batting a 50/50. I don't pretend to be able to read you or JJJ when I've read about 3.5% of your posts, but I'd suspect you over Jay just because I trust nutella more than you.

The above isn't going to satisfy you, because most aren't 'original thoughts.' Too bad. I've had original thoughts, accurate ones, and Michelle just finished crapping on them.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:59 pm @speedchuck tell me about your day 3 vote.

Day 3 was my vote for Mac, yes?

Sig's slip relied on Mac being scum. It made more sense to lynch Mac first, to be sure. I've pretty consistently agreed with Dom's passionate reads on the both of them, from D2 or even earlier.

I did scumread Sig earlier, but by Day 3 Mac was just as good a lynch.

Your final vote was sig.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:24 pm Juliets gives me homework to do but i didn't find her stance in this matter. I wonder why. Let's say she has good intentions but I dislike the question mixed in a post, when she usually pings to obtain answers.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:10 pm Saitama is mafia? We might as well give up now.

this post, wether is from a player who knows the original role which is NAI, or is mafia from any team who thinks mentioning a scum member may look good.

Analysing a joke post from a NAI or scum perspective. Skews negative, from a nothingburger of a post.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:47 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:47 pm I've not voted yet so I haven't seen the poll. Who is in the 4th slot on Nutella, Jack, and/or me?

Thar be scum. Bet me.

Yay! Someone else ascribes to the "fourth is scum" theory of vote trains!

The midmeld with Radishes is worrisome

Is it really though? Why? Does this seem like something a scummate would do? Am I bolstering a read? No. THis is apparently suspicious because Radish and I have similar vote analysis methods that go beyond this game.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:50 pm Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.

I take from this that he TRs Radishes ot they are buddies.

She's not too harsh here, I guess. But she doesn't say anything about it, there's no input. "Either they are scum together or he townreads MR." Yes, that is the two options. That's what the post said. Why bring it up if you're not going to do anything with it except say 'Speed could be town or scum'? Unless it's to try and get other, more present people to read the post again and associate me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:32 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pm Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

Radishes talks relaxed about scumbuddies and Speed comes with a suspicion at Sig. This can be scum theatre, but it can be nothing as well. In the context comes at -1, i don't believe in coincidences.

I don't actually know what the second sentence means, but I feel like it's skewing me negative for having a correct read because coincidences don't exist.
ok.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:35 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:32 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pm Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

1. Reason wasnt crappy
2. Was laying out my thought process.

It would be imo so much worse to instantly switch off since Jack changed his mind, especially since I didnt base my vote solely off his read and two she wasn't a civ?

Not to mention I stated a few times she wasnt my top lynch which Is why I switched off once things evened our a bit.

Some of your reasons were crappy. And you had some perfectly good reasons. Overcompensating to justify staying on nutella. Meh. Minor sus.

This chain is suspicious and may very well be a scum team interaction, to not receive a further "they didn't interact itt". The only good thing is Speed voted for Sig but i don't remember when and the poll positions don't reflect the order of the votes iirc

I don't overthink playing as scum this much. And I don't bus my teammates for no reason. Using the fact that I replied to Sig at one point to say I'm trying to make sure interactions exist is just assuming the world.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

Expand on this, mr chuck

I got weird vibes from Ted D1, and then he appeared reluctant to address Dizzy's 'scumslip' on him. It wasn't the slip itself that bothered me, but his forced nonchalance about it? Something like that. Lol at her flipping votes, though.

The Mac read is nothing special. I agree with what Jay said about his Dom post, and a few other sentiments expressed in the past two pages.

Dizzy and Dom both seemed like fairly stable, level heads in the thread D1. I like town dizzy and town dom.

Bonus: I don't care to lynch G-man.

Maybe is Speed speciality but this post is more a word salad, no offense.. Maybe is just me who don't understand it's meaning.

In context, this post makes sense. I don't have anything else to say about the response.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:55 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:44 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

I actually wanna hear this

There's not much to hear, yo. You give me vibes. Even with this post you give me vibes.

"Someone suspects me!? I LAUGH! Tell me of this inconsequential suspicion, fellow townie, and we'll work it out over tea." It's, just, it doesn't feel genuine.

It comes more from a PoV of me having a civ role and transparently laying out my thoughts, which would make me believe I'm obvious town (I never filter my thoughts) and me never being mislynched in one year of mafia is also contributing towards this. I'd rarely been suspected as town so I have high expectation when such claims occur.

Ok, I got lynched once but that was when I was on a holiday at the sea and I didn't care enough to stress myself

Too calculated a response. Bad.

I mean, if you're seriously genuine here, then you have an ego the size of a train and self-analysis out the butt. It doesn't read like transparently laying out thoughts.

So hey, if you never get mislynched, and we lynch you today, then you must be scum, right? Otherwise you wouldn't get lynched.

voted Ted just after but after, asked by Nanook, he switched to voting Mac.
My understanding on Ted's play (playing with him since summer) is that he has strong beliefs and shares them itt. Sometimes he is wrong but as villager he is like a rock. His posts are not scummy for me. Scum would not be so relaxed i think. But Speed finds him wolfy, and is more like it's a whim to vote him because he dislikes the playstyle without trying to have a real read. Is convenient to vote a player with not known meta.

This is just assuming my motives based on nothing. I find it suspicious when people overreact to brush off suspicions.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:02 pm I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

Rubs me the wrong way. Mafia is like 1/3 emotion. Villagers have an emotional force while wolves can have fear, anguish or delightful joy depending of the player's preferences. This post looks like NAI but doesn't help town.

Disagree. I've seen emotion ruin so many almost-won town games.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:10 pm So we can start with him.

But I have a hit list, and I'm considering putting you on it.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

If Speed is mafia he is aligned with the Radishes team imo. A tinfoilable slot.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:36 pmYour final vote was sig.

Was it? I flip flopped a bit. I recall something about sig possibly having less votes because of a vote power, but I thought that was before the...


That's what you get when you try to make me remember things without thread access.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:24 pm <snip>

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:10 pm Saitama is mafia? We might as well give up now.

this post, wether is from a player who knows the original role which is NAI, or is mafia from any team who thinks mentioning a scum member may look good.

Michelle earlier you said you didn't have any game related thoughts about this post, it just made you chuckle. My read of this post is that he is talking about the character Saitama in whatever anime/cartoon/other Saitama is in, just joking around like everyone was in the beginning. I don't get what the point would be of posting it as scum.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:47 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:47 pm I've not voted yet so I haven't seen the poll. Who is in the 4th slot on Nutella, Jack, and/or me?

Thar be scum. Bet me.

Yay! Someone else ascribes to the "fourth is scum" theory of vote trains!

The midmeld with Radishes is worrisome

Maybe I don't use the word "mind-meld" the same way everyone else does but I think of it as several thoughts where two or more players see someone's posts the same way. This agreement on the positioning of voters didn't cause me any concern, though I disagree with what they are saying.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:50 pm Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.

I take from this that he TRs Radishes ot they are buddies.

I think he definitely town reads him at this point but several of us did. Does this mean they were on the same team? I guess it could but it could also just be a town read.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:32 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pm Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

Radishes talks relaxed about scumbuddies and Speed comes with a suspicion at Sig. This can be scum theatre, but it can be nothing as well. In the context comes at -1, i don't believe in coincidences.

Are you saying here that this could be speed throwing sig under the bus (he voted for him later)? I guess that's possible but I don't see it as strong evidence. What does the -1 mean?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:35 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:32 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pm Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

1. Reason wasnt crappy
2. Was laying out my thought process.

It would be imo so much worse to instantly switch off since Jack changed his mind, especially since I didnt base my vote solely off his read and two she wasn't a civ?

Not to mention I stated a few times she wasnt my top lynch which Is why I switched off once things evened our a bit.

Some of your reasons were crappy. And you had some perfectly good reasons. Overcompensating to justify staying on nutella. Meh. Minor sus.

This chain is suspicious and may very well be a scum team interaction, to not receive a further "they didn't interact itt". The only good thing is Speed voted for Sig but i don't remember when and the poll positions don't reflect the order of the votes iirc

Yes, it could be a scum team interaction but I don't have enough evidence to call it one. I don't know when this happened in relation to the major suspicion of sig. If it happened early on I wouldn't tend to see it as a scum interaction. sig was an almost universal town read early in the game so there would be no reason for a teammate to throw shade his way. If it happened later then maybe.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

Expand on this, mr chuck

I got weird vibes from Ted D1, and then he appeared reluctant to address Dizzy's 'scumslip' on him. It wasn't the slip itself that bothered me, but his forced nonchalance about it? Something like that. Lol at her flipping votes, though.

The Mac read is nothing special. I agree with what Jay said about his Dom post, and a few other sentiments expressed in the past two pages.

Dizzy and Dom both seemed like fairly stable, level heads in the thread D1. I like town dizzy and town dom.

Bonus: I don't care to lynch G-man.

Maybe is Speed speciality but this post is more a word salad, no offense.. Maybe is just me who don't understand it's meaning.

For me it's hard to understand because I can't see the underlying posts he is talking about. I have no idea what ted said about Dizzy without looking back. Same with what Jay said about Mac's Dom post. So I don't have an understanding of what he's trying to say.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:55 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:44 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

I actually wanna hear this

There's not much to hear, yo. You give me vibes. Even with this post you give me vibes.

"Someone suspects me!? I LAUGH! Tell me of this inconsequential suspicion, fellow townie, and we'll work it out over tea." It's, just, it doesn't feel genuine.

It comes more from a PoV of me having a civ role and transparently laying out my thoughts, which would make me believe I'm obvious town (I never filter my thoughts) and me never being mislynched in one year of mafia is also contributing towards this. I'd rarely been suspected as town so I have high expectation when such claims occur.

Ok, I got lynched once but that was when I was on a holiday at the sea and I didn't care enough to stress myself

Too calculated a response. Bad.

I mean, if you're seriously genuine here, then you have an ego the size of a train and self-analysis out the butt. It doesn't read like transparently laying out thoughts.

So hey, if you never get mislynched, and we lynch you today, then you must be scum, right? Otherwise you wouldn't get lynched.

voted Ted just after but after, asked by Nanook, he switched to voting Mac.
My understanding on Ted's play (playing with him since summer) is that he has strong beliefs and shares them itt. Sometimes he is wrong but as villager he is like a rock. His posts are not scummy for me. Scum would not be so relaxed i think. But Speed finds him wolfy, and is more like it's a whim to vote him because he dislikes the playstyle without trying to have a real read. Is convenient to vote a player with not known meta.

Michelle, how do you remember that he voted Ted just after that but then was asked by Nanook to change? I can't remember anything that detailed from the thread. I agree about ted having strong beliefs and sharing them. I think what your saying here is you disagree with his read on ted and think it was scummy of him to vote ted when ted has no known meta (to speed I guess). I don't know ted that well but I see your point that maybe he's reading him based on play style. I would want to look at anything else he had to say about ted though to make a determination that it's scummy.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:02 pm I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

Rubs me the wrong way. Mafia is like 1/3 emotion. Villagers have an emotional force while wolves can have fear, anguish or delightful joy depending of the player's preferences. This post looks like NAI but doesn't help town.

We have had some high emotion in this game and I have to agree I don't care for it. Some of it was downright uncomfortable. I think when we get too emotional we sometimes don't reason as well and facts are forgotten or misconstrued. I know I have been guilty of that.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:10 pm So we can start with him.

But I have a hit list, and I'm considering putting you on it.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

If Speed is mafia he is aligned with the Radishes team imo. A tinfoilable slot.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:36 pmYour final vote was sig.

Was it? I flip flopped a bit. I recall something about sig possibly having less votes because of a vote power, but I thought that was before the...


That's what you get when you try to make me remember things without thread access.

One reason I asked about your vote was that I thought it’d be the easiest thing to remember.

If I recall correctly (I acknowledge that memory alone comes with limitations), when I reviewed your handling of Mac I could not clearly discern why you viewed him as suspicious. On Day 3 you alternated votes between sig and Mac, twice each. You spoke a good amount about sig and the merits of the TMI case. When you talked Mac though it was purely mechanical — one or the other was “better” to lynch first.

Why did you suspect Mac, and why did you decide in the end that sig was the best choice?

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:17 pm @JaggedJimmyJay you voted speedchuck early on but I didn't see your reasoning. Is it because of the back and forth voting between Mac and sig or is there more there?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:33 pm My sig suspicion, on the other hand, was partly my own, and partly based on a Mac flip / dizzy slip thing.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:33 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:17 pm @JaggedJimmyJay you voted speedchuck early on but I didn't see your reasoning. Is it because of the back and forth voting between Mac and sig or is there more there?

When I reviewed people's treatment of Mac in the original thread, I felt speedchuck was a decent teammate prospect. The primary driver of that interpretation was Day 3, which I have touched on a bit in this thread. speedchuck shuffled his vote between sig and Mac before ending the day on sig (I believe the order was Mac - sig - Mac - sig). Combining that motion with the bland mechanistic basis for chuck's explanations for his votes left a crummy product.

His answers to these points in this thread are leaving me feeling nothing.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:33 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:17 pm @JaggedJimmyJay you voted speedchuck early on but I didn't see your reasoning. Is it because of the back and forth voting between Mac and sig or is there more there?

When I reviewed people's treatment of Mac in the original thread, I felt speedchuck was a decent teammate prospect. The primary driver of that interpretation was Day 3, which I have touched on a bit in this thread. speedchuck shuffled his vote between sig and Mac before ending the day on sig (I believe the order was Mac - sig - Mac - sig). Combining that motion with the bland mechanistic basis for chuck's explanations for his votes left a crummy product.

His answers to these points in this thread are leaving me feeling nothing.

How did speedchuck look in relation to radishes/sabie/sig? My radishes research revealed absolutely nothing. I never looked at sabie.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:33 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:17 pm @JaggedJimmyJay you voted speedchuck early on but I didn't see your reasoning. Is it because of the back and forth voting between Mac and sig or is there more there?

When I reviewed people's treatment of Mac in the original thread, I felt speedchuck was a decent teammate prospect. The primary driver of that interpretation was Day 3, which I have touched on a bit in this thread. speedchuck shuffled his vote between sig and Mac before ending the day on sig (I believe the order was Mac - sig - Mac - sig). Combining that motion with the bland mechanistic basis for chuck's explanations for his votes left a crummy product.

His answers to these points in this thread are leaving me feeling nothing.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:33 pm
<snip>

I suspected both, and it was increasingly likely they were both scum, so I went by mechanical merit. Lynching Mac first to confirm sigslip was apparently not as important as removing a possible -2 vote scumman early. I didn't care all that much between the two, as their scumminess pointed to each other.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:05 pm I'd like to see @Michelle respond to that. I'd also like it if she could tell us why she specifically had all those speedchuck posts saved and ready to go.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:44 pm morning at 4 :40 am, I will try to answer at pings

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:05 pm I'd like to see @Michelle respond to that. I'd also like it if she could tell us why she specifically had all those speedchuck posts saved and ready to go.

I said I wanted to Iso him and I had them saved in a notebook app on phone . I wanted to reread day 1 interactions after the first wolf flips and that joke post rang a bell. and made me Iso Speee.I didn't finish the Iso but I posted them here as a piece of the thread we can't see now. My view can be wrong because I don't know him but who played with him can see what I can't.

I didn't have the Iso ready to go. I had just these posts. I know Speed posted a lot after.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:10 pm @Michelle I'm going through these posts to give you my thoughts in blue.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:24 pm

Spoiler: show

<snip>

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:10 pm Saitama is mafia? We might as well give up now.

this post, wether is from a player who knows the original role which is NAI, or is mafia from any team who thinks mentioning a scum member may look good.

Michelle earlier you said you didn't have any game related thoughts about this post, it just made you chuckle. My read of this post is that he is talking about the character Saitama in whatever anime/cartoon/other Saitama is in, just joking around like everyone was in the beginning. I don't get what the point would be of posting it as scum.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:47 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:47 pm I've not voted yet so I haven't seen the poll. Who is in the 4th slot on Nutella, Jack, and/or me?

Thar be scum. Bet me.

Yay! Someone else ascribes to the "fourth is scum" theory of vote trains!

The midmeld with Radishes is worrisome

Maybe I don't use the word "mind-meld" the same way everyone else does but I think of it as several thoughts where two or more players see someone's posts the same way. This agreement on the positioning of voters didn't cause me any concern, though I disagree with what they are saying.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:50 pm Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.

I take from this that he TRs Radishes ot they are buddies.

I think he definitely town reads him at this point but several of us did. Does this mean they were on the same team? I guess it could but it could also just be a town read.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:32 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pm Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

Radishes talks relaxed about scumbuddies and Speed comes with a suspicion at Sig. This can be scum theatre, but it can be nothing as well. In the context comes at -1, i don't believe in coincidences.

Are you saying here that this could be speed throwing sig under the bus (he voted for him later)? I guess that's possible but I don't see it as strong evidence. What does the -1 mean?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:35 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:32 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pm Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

1. Reason wasnt crappy
2. Was laying out my thought process.

It would be imo so much worse to instantly switch off since Jack changed his mind, especially since I didnt base my vote solely off his read and two she wasn't a civ?

Not to mention I stated a few times she wasnt my top lynch which Is why I switched off once things evened our a bit.

Some of your reasons were crappy. And you had some perfectly good reasons. Overcompensating to justify staying on nutella. Meh. Minor sus.

This chain is suspicious and may very well be a scum team interaction, to not receive a further "they didn't interact itt". The only good thing is Speed voted for Sig but i don't remember when and the poll positions don't reflect the order of the votes iirc

Yes, it could be a scum team interaction but I don't have enough evidence to call it one. I don't know when this happened in relation to the major suspicion of sig. If it happened early on I wouldn't tend to see it as a scum interaction. sig was an almost universal town read early in the game so there would be no reason for a teammate to throw shade his way. If it happened later then maybe.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

Expand on this, mr chuck

I got weird vibes from Ted D1, and then he appeared reluctant to address Dizzy's 'scumslip' on him. It wasn't the slip itself that bothered me, but his forced nonchalance about it? Something like that. Lol at her flipping votes, though.

The Mac read is nothing special. I agree with what Jay said about his Dom post, and a few other sentiments expressed in the past two pages.

Dizzy and Dom both seemed like fairly stable, level heads in the thread D1. I like town dizzy and town dom.

Bonus: I don't care to lynch G-man.

Maybe is Speed speciality but this post is more a word salad, no offense.. Maybe is just me who don't understand it's meaning.

For me it's hard to understand because I can't see the underlying posts he is talking about. I have no idea what ted said about Dizzy without looking back. Same with what Jay said about Mac's Dom post. So I don't have an understanding of what he's trying to say.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:55 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:44 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

I actually wanna hear this

There's not much to hear, yo. You give me vibes. Even with this post you give me vibes.

"Someone suspects me!? I LAUGH! Tell me of this inconsequential suspicion, fellow townie, and we'll work it out over tea." It's, just, it doesn't feel genuine.

It comes more from a PoV of me having a civ role and transparently laying out my thoughts, which would make me believe I'm obvious town (I never filter my thoughts) and me never being mislynched in one year of mafia is also contributing towards this. I'd rarely been suspected as town so I have high expectation when such claims occur.

Ok, I got lynched once but that was when I was on a holiday at the sea and I didn't care enough to stress myself

Too calculated a response. Bad.

I mean, if you're seriously genuine here, then you have an ego the size of a train and self-analysis out the butt. It doesn't read like transparently laying out thoughts.

So hey, if you never get mislynched, and we lynch you today, then you must be scum, right? Otherwise you wouldn't get lynched.

voted Ted just after but after, asked by Nanook, he switched to voting Mac.
My understanding on Ted's play (playing with him since summer) is that he has strong beliefs and shares them itt. Sometimes he is wrong but as villager he is like a rock. His posts are not scummy for me. Scum would not be so relaxed i think. But Speed finds him wolfy, and is more like it's a whim to vote him because he dislikes the playstyle without trying to have a real read. Is convenient to vote a player with not known meta.

Michelle, how do you remember that he voted Ted just after that but then was asked by Nanook to change? I can't remember anything that detailed from the thread. I agree about ted having strong beliefs and sharing them. I think what your saying here is you disagree with his read on ted and think it was scummy of him to vote ted when ted has no known meta (to speed I guess). I don't know ted that well but I see your point that maybe he's reading him based on play style. I would want to look at anything else he had to say about ted though to make a determination that it's scummy.
I's not that I remember, i made a note on this because for me early votes matters

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:02 pm I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

Rubs me the wrong way. Mafia is like 1/3 emotion. Villagers have an emotional force while wolves can have fear, anguish or delightful joy depending of the player's preferences. This post looks like NAI but doesn't help town.

We have had some high emotion in this game and I have to agree I don't care for it. Some of it was downright uncomfortable. I think when we get too emotional we sometimes don't reason as well and facts are forgotten or misconstrued. I know I have been guilty of that.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:10 pm So we can start with him.

But I have a hit list, and I'm considering putting you on it.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

If Speed is mafia he is aligned with the Radishes team imo. A tinfoilable slot.

Ok so this would mean he bussed sig which is possible.

I guess what makes me a little queasy about doing this analysis is speed had more posts in the game so we're taking a piece of what he said and trying to make a determination based on a piece. Maybe that's unavoidable given our circumstances. Michelle, what was the criteria you used to select these posts of his? Are they part of a full ISO of him and this was all you saved?

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:50 pm G-Man, sorry if you answered this in the main thread, I just don't remember it. What made you change your vote toward the end of EOD from sig to Mac?

Speed wrote:Overall, this post says a lot of nothing, while skewing a bunch of the posts I've made negative to be picked apart. Going over it, it's not egregious I guess. It's just fluffy and tosses shade in my direction while being very hands-off.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:50 pm G-Man, sorry if you answered this in the main thread, I just don't remember it. What made you change your vote toward the end of EOD from sig to Mac?

On Day 3, everyone piled on Mac right away. That led Mac to amplify his griping. He made a lot of hot noise (which, in retrospect, helped provide cover for his teammates) but then the sig thing dropped. I went with Dyslexicon’s from-the-grave case against sig because I had a sharp turnaround on Dys early Day 2.

In the end, I switched back to Mac to keep things spicy at EoD and because I really didn’t want to hear Mac rant against the world for another day.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:03 pm Oddball thought process time- if lynching someone kicks them up a level, should we really try to keep our baddie suspect trapped here in dream land? Maybe the Inception hosts can speak to that. The hamster in my brain is running wild about this structure right now.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:43 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:33 pm
<snip>

I suspected both, and it was increasingly likely they were both scum, so I went by mechanical merit. Lynching Mac first to confirm sigslip was apparently not as important as removing a possible -2 vote scumman early. I didn't care all that much between the two, as their scumminess pointed to each other.

speed, what does the last sentence mean, "their scumminess pointed to each other"?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:40 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:33 pm My sig suspicion, on the other hand, was partly my own, and partly based on a Mac flip / dizzy slip thing.

What was the suspicion you had of sig that was your own?

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:08 pm

Speed wrote:Overall, this post says a lot of nothing, while skewing a bunch of the posts I've made negative to be picked apart. Going over it, it's not egregious I guess. It's just fluffy and tosses shade in my direction while being very hands-off.

You say I am wrong and shady. If I would be shady I wouldn't post all the naked Iso without my oppinion first, I would go directly with comments.
Juliets asked and I put my ideas, and you as hater of emotions should react more cool at it and explain why am I wrong
But you made it a tennis mafia and the ball is in your court again.
speedchuck

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:29 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:03 pm Oddball thought process time- if lynching someone kicks them up a level, should we really try to keep our baddie suspect trapped here in dream land? Maybe the Inception hosts can speak to that. The hamster in my brain is running wild about this structure right now.

I'm not sure I understand the question. But in Inception, kicking people back to the top level exposed them to the chance of being kill off for real in the main thread, and prevented them from submerging into deeper dream levels. The mafia team wanted needed to submerge all the way to limbo and survive there to claim their reward, so a successful lynch by the civilians on the lower levels would lessen their chances of achieving that.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:08 pm

Speed wrote:Overall, this post says a lot of nothing, while skewing a bunch of the posts I've made negative to be picked apart. Going over it, it's not egregious I guess. It's just fluffy and tosses shade in my direction while being very hands-off.

You say I am wrong and shady. If I would be shady I wouldn't post all the naked Iso without my oppinion first, I would go directly with comments.
Juliets asked and I put my ideas, and you as hater of emotions should react more cool at it and explain why am I wrong
But you made it a tennis mafia and the ball is in your court again.
speedchuck

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:13 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:29 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:03 pm Oddball thought process time- if lynching someone kicks them up a level, should we really try to keep our baddie suspect trapped here in dream land? Maybe the Inception hosts can speak to that. The hamster in my brain is running wild about this structure right now.

I'm not sure I understand the question. But in Inception, kicking people back to the top level exposed them to the chance of being kill off for real in the main thread, and prevented them from submerging into deeper dream levels. The mafia team wanted needed to submerge all the way to limbo and survive there to claim their reward, so a successful lynch by the civilians on the lower levels would lessen their chances of achieving that.

I'm pretty sure we've just been split into threads for the day. Anything more than that would derail the game, giving undue weight to Inception over most themes.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:38 am speedchuck hit 10k posts but it was all a dream

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:16 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:08 pm

Speed wrote:Overall, this post says a lot of nothing, while skewing a bunch of the posts I've made negative to be picked apart. Going over it, it's not egregious I guess. It's just fluffy and tosses shade in my direction while being very hands-off.

You say I am wrong and shady. If I would be shady I wouldn't post all the naked Iso without my oppinion first, I would go directly with comments.
Juliets asked and I put my ideas, and you as hater of emotions should react more cool at it and explain why am I wrong
But you made it a tennis mafia and the ball is in your court again.
speedchuck

I'm going to [VOTE: michelle] aubergine. This response does not address my grievances.

If I understand it correctly, it says "Why u mad? Let's play NO U tennis."

(again, this isn't me being emotional, I'm just sarcastic. It helps make my points.)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:49 pm @Michelle were there other people you were ISOing during the night, or was speed your only target?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:49 am In short my answer explained you (this was my intention anyway) that my post wasn't a shade.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:12 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:08 pm

Speed wrote:Overall, this post says a lot of nothing, while skewing a bunch of the posts I've made negative to be picked apart. Going over it, it's not egregious I guess. It's just fluffy and tosses shade in my direction while being very hands-off.

You say I am wrong and shady. If I would be shady I wouldn't post all the naked Iso without my oppinion first, I would go directly with comments.
Juliets asked and I put my ideas, and you as hater of emotions should react more cool at it and explain why am I wrong
But you made it a tennis mafia and the ball is in your court again.
speedchuck

Did you sense any anger in my post? I'm cool.

I didn't say you were wrong. You haven't stated an opinion or a read that CAN really be wrong. That's the problem. You've posted a bunch of might posts and said 'This could be bad, right? Heh? Heeeeh?'

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:02 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:49 am In short my answer explained you (this was my intention anyway) that my post wasn't a shade.

I want to visit this assertion, that your post "wasn't a shade". I reviewed each of the comments you made about speedchuck's posts and reduced them to quick phrases or blurbs, with color coding to indicate the feelings you conveyed as I interpret them:

- NAI or mafia
- "worrisome" -- seems negative
- NAI "town read" from speed or mafia
- NAI "nothing" or mafia, "-1 in context"
- "suspicious chain" -- clearly negative
- "word salad" -- not positive at best
- speed's vote is "convenient" -- seems negative
- "rubs me the wrong way" / NAI
- if mafia, aligned with Radish -- I won't color this one since it's conditional

How is this not shade?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:02 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:49 am In short my answer explained you (this was my intention anyway) that my post wasn't a shade.

I want to visit this assertion, that your post "wasn't a shade". I reviewed each of the comments you made about speedchuck's posts and reduced them to quick phrases or blurbs, with color coding to indicate the feelings you conveyed as I interpret them:

- NAI or mafia
- "worrisome" -- seems negative
- NAI "town read" from speed or mafia
- NAI "nothing" or mafia, "-1 in context"
- "suspicious chain" -- clearly negative
- "word salad" -- not positive at best
- speed's vote is "convenient" -- seems negative
- "rubs me the wrong way" / NAI
- if mafia, aligned with Radish -- I won't color this one since it's conditional

How is this not shade?

What if is a suspicion?