Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[Lilypetal]

your worldview hasn't changed despite new information. I know I'm town and you keep pushing me as the solve with ilario. Nook is town, ilario is town, millium likely town from wagonomics. Doesn't leave a lot of options

there is no new information though besides me not having to tinfoil neon. I think you're likely a wolf with Ilario but I'm pushing Ilario not you lol

[Lilypetal]

like oh the person i wolf read flipped wolf and 2 people i townread flipped town

i sure do need to reevaluate my world view

??

[dyachei]

neon dying over you should be enough of a difference from what you were expecting that you should consider why neon died over you and possibly change your worldview

[dyachei]

belzy's really preoccupied with millium. really makes me think they aren't aligned

[Millium]

Wouldn't be the first time I've been voted where my iso has been ignored after I've tunneled wolves, and mislynched a day before possible mylo/lylo

[Millium]

I have no idea why Neon got killed I couldn't even comprehend what the wolves are thinking, I'd kill a claimed roleblocker

[Lilypetal]

neon dying over you should be enough of a difference from what you were expecting that you should consider why neon died over you and possibly change your worldview

why? Ilario thinks he can beat me in the dome so he killed Neon who was becoming blatantly town by eod and at eod voted him. It makes complete sense to me

[dyachei]

@Neon @ilario I think you're both town. So stop antagonising each other please. I want Ilario's perspective on the game to be logical and up to date and side questing him atm is annoying.

Wake me up when ilario comes with a real perspective on the game.

this feels like it's not w/w

[Millium]

Why don't I just drop everything after Lily's interactions with me about Porsche early day 1, I've also never hell bussed, l in sf1 I refused to buss Mera till lylo, probably didn't even need to do it there, but Aretes play and Mera's vote caught me off guard

[Lilypetal]

I have no idea why Neon got killed I couldn't even comprehend what the wolves are thinking, I'd kill a claimed roleblocker

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i am going to lose my mind

[ilario]

/vote millum for now

-sheeping nook, still odd to me that wisp who has illario sided and has spew in his favour is alive and neon who protected wolves and almost got me killed was the nk. again, it could just be lily fearkilling neon for the push but imma see how this feels

gee it's almost like the nk points towards you being a wolf

not really. it points to you more.

you literally just outlined how the nk doesn't point towards me being a wolf lol

neon at eod saw the light and voted u

wisp is on ur side

as a wolf why would I kill neon? like you said??

Neon voted me because for some reason they trd belzy, that was it. You were the slot they spent the entire day casing lol

[Millium]

I'll be home in an hour or so

[dyachei]

wisp are you reading belzy's iso?

[ilario]

Why would I not just kill you lol and then push neon who would be much easier to push. I don’t feel like ur trying to evaluate me here

[Millium]

I have no idea why Neon got killed I couldn't even comprehend what the wolves are thinking, I'd kill a claimed roleblocker

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i am going to lose my mind

You posted a perspective, but I didn't do anything over night like you, and I want to read belzy

[Millium]

Why would I not just kill you lol and then push neon who would be much easier to push. I don’t feel like ur trying to evaluate me here

You and Lily both claimed they were just town after yesterday, did you not?

[Lilypetal]

NANOOK IS NOT A WOLF

HIS HANDLING OF PORSCHA DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE OBVIOUS WOLF PLAN THAT MILLIUM WAS THE DESIGNATED ML DAY 1 NOR DID HE VOTE ARO. HIS POSTS TO ME ABOUT PORSCHA MAKE THEM LOOK VERY UNALIGNED

MILLIUM IS NOT A WOLF

IF HE WAS A WOLF I BELIEVE EOD3 WOULD'VE BEEN MUCH LESS MESSY AND CONSIDERING HE WAS SAVED BY 2 FLIPPED VILLAGERS AND MYSELF METHINKS HE'S A VILLAGER AND ALSO HES VERY OBVIOUSLY SPEWED TOWN BY BELZY'S ISO.

[dyachei]

like this spew seems to indicate ilario and wisp town. ender town. People who know nanook are calling him just town and the last few days have been better for him. literally just leaves lily and rondo

[ilario]

belzy's really preoccupied with millium. really makes me think they aren't aligned

Well you see, the thing is is rbd rondo and lily (im only outting this now because dya is sorta ending up on the same solve I had yesterday). So unless rondo or lily had a way to bypass my rb, then the team can’t be both of them. Hence why wisp is now also in my poe as well as the fact he didn’t die and that I just tr ender you and nook more

[ilario]

Why would I not just kill you lol and then push neon who would be much easier to push. I don’t feel like ur trying to evaluate me here

You and Lily both claimed they were just town after yesterday, did you not?

Yes but I also trd other slots that did not have a wolfy eod which involved trying to save an outed wolf

[Lilypetal]

the wolves are in dya/ilario/rondo

this should be clear to anyone paying any sort of attention

[Lilypetal]

and it's kind of obviously dya/ilario because rondo isn't paired with obvious wolf ilario

[dyachei]

idk how you read belzy's iso and think ilario is a wolf tbh

[dyachei]

like leave me in the poe, sure, but ilario doesn't make sense with the spew

[Lilypetal]

like leave me in the poe, sure, but ilario doesn't make sense with the spew

you are either

1) his teammate

2) not reading spew correctly

[dyachei]

belzy barely interacts with rondo at all

[dyachei]

have you ever considered you're not reading spew correctly lily?

[dyachei]

like she's on ilario all game and keeps shading and voting him

[dyachei]

ilario your thoughts on belzy spew?

[Lilypetal]

like she's on ilario all game and keeps shading and voting him

and what comes of it lol

[dyachei]

they literally vote him as one of their last votes when ilario was being pushed more

[dyachei]

where does millium voting end up?

[ilario]

ilario your thoughts on belzy spew?

I thought his early spew made wisp look town, he was just looked in on trying to get wisp killed. I asked earlier in the game if belzy was a busser but didn’t get an answering. But then on d3 I asked belzy to flesh out the read for me and it felt kinda tmi-ish. It was very nuanced compared to his other reads like his read on me

[dyachei]

ilario your thoughts on belzy spew?

I thought his early spew made wisp look town, he was just looked in on trying to get wisp killed. I asked earlier in the game if belzy was a busser but didn’t get an answering. But then on d3 I asked belzy to flesh out the read for me and it felt kinda tmi-ish. It was very nuanced compared to his other reads like his read on me

any chance you can quote what you mean?

[ilario]

belzy's really preoccupied with millium. really makes me think they aren't aligned

Well you see, the thing is is rbd rondo and lily (im only outting this now because dya is sorta ending up on the same solve I had yesterday). So unless rondo or lily had a way to bypass my rb, then the team can’t be both of them. Hence why wisp is now also in my poe as well as the fact he didn’t die and that I just tr ender you and nook more

I suppose it could also be that wisp is 3p and his items don’t really do anything. Would explain why my rb didn’t work in a world where the team actually is just lily and rondo and also explains why on posting wisp feels kinda wolfy at times but also doesn’t really fit with the wolf team at times

[ilario]

ilario your thoughts on belzy spew?

I thought his early spew made wisp look town, he was just looked in on trying to get wisp killed. I asked earlier in the game if belzy was a busser but didn’t get an answering. But then on d3 I asked belzy to flesh out the read for me and it felt kinda tmi-ish. It was very nuanced compared to his other reads like his read on me

any chance you can quote what you mean?

Yuppp will find it for ya when I get home, just in the middle of some stuff and about to start driving now

[dyachei]

if it cant be both lily and rondo i think rondo is more likely

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine

[Lilypetal]

Oh yeah btw Neon is probably almost definitely town.

I love poking players I've pocketed recently and she's fallen right into what I expect for it.

Fuck man, ender and my brain is melding so hard rn it’s kind of insane.

Gtfo lmfao

Also pocketing Aro.

Quick I'm running out of pockets.

Stop talking this way, Ender. You are either scum doing this, or I am getting paranoid over it.

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

Let's look at how Belzy treats their ender push compared to their Ilario push. Starts off with a weak vote due to Ender joking about being a wolf pocketing people. Meh

@EnderWiggin when you get caught up, Lmk ur thoughts on the game and ur pov.

I have a feeling that you, me, or Santy is gonna die today and I’d like to hear ur thoughts on current voting as well and the people that sr u.

You/Belzy/Neon/SPF town

Rondo/Mac Town?

Lily/Nanook town but light enough that I'm not 100%

Dya/Chamo idk

Alison/Seanzie Wolfish based on meh or someone else's reads.

Santy/Wisp/Tilg kinda wolfish

Illario/Porscha heavily wolfish

We need to talk more about your scumreads.

Opens a dialogue with Ender after voting him.

@EnderWiggin when you get caught up, Lmk ur thoughts on the game and ur pov.

I have a feeling that you, me, or Santy is gonna die today and I’d like to hear ur thoughts on current voting as well and the people that sr u.

You/Belzy/Neon/SPF town

Rondo/Mac Town?

Lily/Nanook town but light enough that I'm not 100%

Dya/Chamo idk

Alison/Seanzie Wolfish based on meh or someone else's reads.

Santy/Wisp/Tilg kinda wolfish

Illario/Porscha heavily wolfish

We need to talk more about your scumreads.

Any specific questions?

You have mentioned a few scumreads I scum lean to as well, while some of them are widely townread by others, so I just want discussion on these reads. I mostly wanna know how you read Alison, Ilario and Porscha.

vote someones, then ask them their reads. There's no conviction here this vote is obviously for show to either look like their doing something or pocket ender by seeming like they're solving his alignment. I will note this does not feel like w/w to me.

@EnderWiggin @Belzy in a world where if Alison is mafia, what do u think that means for Ilario?

Ilario strongly townreads Alison, so I was more thinking about what if Ilario is scum and Alison is town, or they are both scum but different parties. I don't see Ilario townreading Alison strongly as an indication they have to be teamed; I find it way too early to make such assumptions.

Having said that:

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

without missing a beat swaps off of ender after a measly 2 posts talking to him and goes to Ilario. This vote post isn't too strange

my revised reads atm are probs something like

alison neon mac santy sean as villa

rondo wisp betsy as villa leans

ill probs have to go over tilgs wolf game at some point to see if my townlean there was justified but ngl their read on me felt pretty thoughtful and i cant recall if they matched anything like that last game

/vote ender

What makes you townreading Alison and Neon this strongly?

is there any point to your questions?

Yes, I have a hard time placing all three of you.

like belzy you have asked me a dozen questions yet ur vote still ends up on me so im just gonna assume annswering you is not an efficient use of my time

You are my 4th person I've voted so far for, so why reach to this conclusion? You are not being helpful. First, you ask me a question back instead of answering and cooperating, and then you just conclude cooperating with me is a waste of your time since my vote is currently on you.

Note the aggressiveness. When talking to Ender they're inquisitive and pretending like they're solving his slot through dialogue. For Ilario Belzy just goes straight for the throat.

I like my vote on ilario; he got a lot of easy townreads, and when I try to get more information where he is all coming from I get nothing. Millium and ilario are two people I would be willing to lynch today.

The progression from voting Ender to ender not even being in the discussion after those 2 posts is very telling that Belzy's play was indeed to pocket ender. They then float Millium who imo was the designated day 1 ML and Ilario, who is most likely their wolf buddy. Ilario is never going over day 1 so this sets up Millium as an easy vote later on.

I like my vote on ilario; he got a lot of easy townreads, and when I try to get more information where he is all coming from I get nothing. Millium and ilario are two people I would be willing to lynch today.

ive explained a bunch, you just missed them and ask me the same stuff

I will re-iso you when I got the time, and let you know how I feel about that.

is it scummy for me to not explain things?

Yes.

I like my vote on ilario; he got a lot of easy townreads, and when I try to get more information where he is all coming from I get nothing. Millium and ilario are two people I would be willing to lynch today

ive explained a bunch, you just missed them and ask me the same stuff

Really?

@staypositivefriend pikachu, what do u think of the confidence of my read on your slot?

some mix of feeling like you are townclearing me too easily when i am definitely still within both of my ranges but that i also find it plausible that you would feel feel confident about your ability to find me as town

i actually remember that you townread me fairly confidently too in the anni mash a few months ago when i was W and you were T, so i dont think that you strongly townreading me is wolf indicative at least. i am planning to read you by other metrics this game

unfortunately im not really here rn, just staying caught up with the game so that i dont have an overwhelming amount of content to catch up with when i wake up tomorrow

Btw I think it’s townie of u to bring up anni lol, cause it kind of makes my “confident read” on you seem worse based on the fact I was “wrong on you before.” Granted, that was our second game and I hadn’t really played with u much then.

But now it’s just so much different and all the recency from our games. Additionally, I feel like we can both agree that we have similar play styles, hence we’re able to have a better feeling of one another through analysing intent/content of our posts.

But besides that point, how are u feeling about the game and where is ur head at? Current reads list is fine.

hmmm well

i think that mac is town

i think that rondo and seanzie are both towny enough for me to not want to go after either of them today (though if one of them is mafia it's probably seanzie and not rondo)

lilypetal and santygrass both calling neon obvious town makes me think that neon is town who is being correctly townread by them or TMI'd as town

...i actually feel similarly about porscha calling lily locktown and think that it increases lily's odds of being town regardless of porscha's alignment, though i think lily has been posting fairly well over the last few hours, at least to the extent where i am probably not willing to go after her today either

there have been various points throughout this game where i have called nook/alison/illario/tilg towny but i dont stand by my townreads on any of them anymore

if you are town then i think alison's mafia equity rises slightly

nook has been posting fine but i might have cleared him a little hastily

tilg's posts "look good" but i cant really verbalize any reasons to townread him and it's not implausible to me that he could just be a wolf who did a good job at blending in with the consensus in the early phases of the game

illario is playing closer to his typical town meta than his wolf meta but he hasn't done the main thing that i usually TR him for yet so im dropping him back to null until he does

dont have any strong reasons to townread belzy but they have enough defenders today that make me think i could just be getting pinged by their playstyle

i actually perhaps find dya's content so far maybe a little bit wolf indicative but i like dya and am kind of deliberately giving them space since they are busy and since i know if they are town they will make probably make it obvious pretty soon

i dont have any reason to townread santy and generally agree with the feeling that his reads might be coming from a place of TMI

dont have any reason to townread porscha

so if i had to shotgun a list of names that contain some mafia, it would look like alison/dya/santy/porscha/ender/tilg but this is a GTH list and not something im thinking very carefully about

lol spf is just a wolf

/vote spf

oh no watch me get sussed by random slots for not explaining myself despite the fact that they themselves just ask a bunch of useless questions that go nowhere or they just shitpost and just expect everyone else to do their work for them

So you keep saying not to explain stuff, then I ask you for stuff and you say you do explain stuff and that I miss it. What game are you playing?

my revised reads atm are probs something like

alison neon mac santy sean as villa

rondo wisp betsy as villa leans

ill probs have to go over tilgs wolf game at some point to see if my townlean there was justified but ngl their read on me felt pretty thoughtful and i cant recall if they matched anything like that last game

/vote ender

So neon is a townread of yours, and you never explained why (same goes with other reads of yours), nor did you explain your vote on neon.

Illario also has been doing this weird sheep thing which feels off for their normal town play.

When have I sheeped Aside for macs vote on neon that I left for the blink of an eye?

Regardless, I do sheep a fair bit as town

Only saying that you just sheep vote there.

Milium town Seanzie town.

I think ur probably town but can you explain these two reads ?

Your very first post is already giving a townread, and you gave so many townreads but you keep refusing explaining them, and you even dare denying that to me!

Give me one good reason why we should not lynch ilario.

All of these recent red bolded lines are so confident. Belzy isn't even trying to pretend like they're solving Ilario, they're just going at him for kind of no reason. There isn't like a notable progression up to this point in their iso. This is distancing and trying to look busy, plain and simple.

Give me one good reason why we should not lynch ilario.

How many times have you played with Ilario in the past?

How many times have you played with mafia Ilario?

What percentage of the posts in this game have you read?

How likely do you think we are to chop Ilario on day 1 with this playerlist?

1 time

0 times, only 3p ilario who sided with town

I hope a very high %, I try to catchup everytime and sometimes iso people

At this rate not likely

and did u not learn anyhting from that game? yall literally won the game because of the 3ps hard townsiding

I don't see how that is relevant here.

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Oh so all that conviction ends in Belzy just dropping it completely as if it didn't matter and voting Millium? There's not even the attempt to try and look like their progressing on Ilario's slot. They attacked Ilario and then moved off Ilario onto the day 1 ML target, Millium. These two pushes are very obviously w/v and then w/w. Belzy cares what Ender thinks and wants ender to feel like they're solving. Belzy does not give a fuck what Ilario thinks because why should they? they're partners lol. This push was never real. It's theatre.

[Lilypetal]

I also want to mention that Belzy almost never talks about or to Dya, as they mentioned how Belzy doesn't talk about Rondo.

[dyachei]

belzy talks to me on multiple times. And all of those times were softballs, which is why if you have me in your poe after reading belzy spew i understand. but belzy interacts even less with rondo

[dyachei]

i think the push on millium and the push on ilario are pretty similar so i dont agree with your case

[Lilypetal]

not really? belzy says hi to you which they do to like most players they know in the game and then doesn't really talk to you at all until responding to a question day (4)?

[dyachei]

no they ask me questions about my seanzie read

[Millium]

NANOOK IS NOT A WOLF

HIS HANDLING OF PORSCHA DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE OBVIOUS WOLF PLAN THAT MILLIUM WAS THE DESIGNATED ML DAY 1 NOR DID HE VOTE ARO. HIS POSTS TO ME ABOUT PORSCHA MAKE THEM LOOK VERY UNALIGNED

MILLIUM IS NOT A WOLF

IF HE WAS A WOLF I BELIEVE EOD3 WOULD'VE BEEN MUCH LESS MESSY AND CONSIDERING HE WAS SAVED BY 2 FLIPPED VILLAGERS AND MYSELF METHINKS HE'S A VILLAGER AND ALSO HES VERY OBVIOUSLY SPEWED TOWN BY BELZY'S ISO.

I think he is a 3p, so I'm ignoring him, but he was correct on wolves, but wrong on me, so it's a bit of a debacle

[Millium]

Also it's not scummy for illario explain things, idk why people think other wise

[ilario]

if it cant be both lily and rondo i think rondo is more likely

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine

i wouldnt say never, since its pr madness

what makes u think rondo is more likely?

[ilario]

Oh yeah btw Neon is probably almost definitely town.

I love poking players I've pocketed recently and she's fallen right into what I expect for it.

Fuck man, ender and my brain is melding so hard rn it’s kind of insane.

Gtfo lmfao

Also pocketing Aro.

Quick I'm running out of pockets.

Stop talking this way, Ender. You are either scum doing this, or I am getting paranoid over it.

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

Let's look at how Belzy treats their ender push compared to their Ilario push. Starts off with a weak vote due to Ender joking about being a wolf pocketing people. Meh

@EnderWiggin when you get caught up, Lmk ur thoughts on the game and ur pov.

I have a feeling that you, me, or Santy is gonna die today and I’d like to hear ur thoughts on current voting as well and the people that sr u.

You/Belzy/Neon/SPF town

Rondo/Mac Town?

Lily/Nanook town but light enough that I'm not 100%

Dya/Chamo idk

Alison/Seanzie Wolfish based on meh or someone else's reads.

Santy/Wisp/Tilg kinda wolfish

Illario/Porscha heavily wolfish

We need to talk more about your scumreads.

Opens a dialogue with Ender after voting him.

@EnderWiggin when you get caught up, Lmk ur thoughts on the game and ur pov.

I have a feeling that you, me, or Santy is gonna die today and I’d like to hear ur thoughts on current voting as well and the people that sr u.

You/Belzy/Neon/SPF town

Rondo/Mac Town?

Lily/Nanook town but light enough that I'm not 100%

Dya/Chamo idk

Alison/Seanzie Wolfish based on meh or someone else's reads.

Santy/Wisp/Tilg kinda wolfish

Illario/Porscha heavily wolfish

We need to talk more about your scumreads.

Any specific questions?

You have mentioned a few scumreads I scum lean to as well, while some of them are widely townread by others, so I just want discussion on these reads. I mostly wanna know how you read Alison, Ilario and Porscha.

vote someones, then ask them their reads. There's no conviction here this vote is obviously for show to either look like their doing something or pocket ender by seeming like they're solving his alignment. I will note this does not feel like w/w to me.

@EnderWiggin @Belzy in a world where if Alison is mafia, what do u think that means for Ilario?

Ilario strongly townreads Alison, so I was more thinking about what if Ilario is scum and Alison is town, or they are both scum but different parties. I don't see Ilario townreading Alison strongly as an indication they have to be teamed; I find it way too early to make such assumptions.

Having said that:

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

without missing a beat swaps off of ender after a measly 2 posts talking to him and goes to Ilario. This vote post isn't too strange

my revised reads atm are probs something like

alison neon mac santy sean as villa

rondo wisp betsy as villa leans

ill probs have to go over tilgs wolf game at some point to see if my townlean there was justified but ngl their read on me felt pretty thoughtful and i cant recall if they matched anything like that last game

/vote ender

What makes you townreading Alison and Neon this strongly?

is there any point to your questions?

Yes, I have a hard time placing all three of you.

like belzy you have asked me a dozen questions yet ur vote still ends up on me so im just gonna assume annswering you is not an efficient use of my time

You are my 4th person I've voted so far for, so why reach to this conclusion? You are not being helpful. First, you ask me a question back instead of answering and cooperating, and then you just conclude cooperating with me is a waste of your time since my vote is currently on you.

Note the aggressiveness. When talking to Ender they're inquisitive and pretending like they're solving his slot through dialogue. For Ilario Belzy just goes straight for the throat.

I like my vote on ilario; he got a lot of easy townreads, and when I try to get more information where he is all coming from I get nothing. Millium and ilario are two people I would be willing to lynch today.

The progression from voting Ender to ender not even being in the discussion after those 2 posts is very telling that Belzy's play was indeed to pocket ender. They then float Millium who imo was the designated day 1 ML and Ilario, who is most likely their wolf buddy. Ilario is never going over day 1 so this sets up Millium as an easy vote later on.

I like my vote on ilario; he got a lot of easy townreads, and when I try to get more information where he is all coming from I get nothing. Millium and ilario are two people I would be willing to lynch today.

ive explained a bunch, you just missed them and ask me the same stuff

I will re-iso you when I got the time, and let you know how I feel about that.

is it scummy for me to not explain things?

Yes.

I like my vote on ilario; he got a lot of easy townreads, and when I try to get more information where he is all coming from I get nothing. Millium and ilario are two people I would be willing to lynch today

ive explained a bunch, you just missed them and ask me the same stuff

Really?

some mix of feeling like you are townclearing me too easily when i am definitely still within both of my ranges but that i also find it plausible that you would feel feel confident about your ability to find me as town

i actually remember that you townread me fairly confidently too in the anni mash a few months ago when i was W and you were T, so i dont think that you strongly townreading me is wolf indicative at least. i am planning to read you by other metrics this game

unfortunately im not really here rn, just staying caught up with the game so that i dont have an overwhelming amount of content to catch up with when i wake up tomorrow

Btw I think it’s townie of u to bring up anni lol, cause it kind of makes my “confident read” on you seem worse based on the fact I was “wrong on you before.” Granted, that was our second game and I hadn’t really played with u much then.

But now it’s just so much different and all the recency from our games. Additionally, I feel like we can both agree that we have similar play styles, hence we’re able to have a better feeling of one another through analysing intent/content of our posts.

But besides that point, how are u feeling about the game and where is ur head at? Current reads list is fine.

hmmm well

i think that mac is town

i think that rondo and seanzie are both towny enough for me to not want to go after either of them today (though if one of them is mafia it's probably seanzie and not rondo)

lilypetal and santygrass both calling neon obvious town makes me think that neon is town who is being correctly townread by them or TMI'd as town

...i actually feel similarly about porscha calling lily locktown and think that it increases lily's odds of being town regardless of porscha's alignment, though i think lily has been posting fairly well over the last few hours, at least to the extent where i am probably not willing to go after her today either

there have been various points throughout this game where i have called nook/alison/illario/tilg towny but i dont stand by my townreads on any of them anymore

if you are town then i think alison's mafia equity rises slightly

nook has been posting fine but i might have cleared him a little hastily

tilg's posts "look good" but i cant really verbalize any reasons to townread him and it's not implausible to me that he could just be a wolf who did a good job at blending in with the consensus in the early phases of the game

illario is playing closer to his typical town meta than his wolf meta but he hasn't done the main thing that i usually TR him for yet so im dropping him back to null until he does

dont have any strong reasons to townread belzy but they have enough defenders today that make me think i could just be getting pinged by their playstyle

i actually perhaps find dya's content so far maybe a little bit wolf indicative but i like dya and am kind of deliberately giving them space since they are busy and since i know if they are town they will make probably make it obvious pretty soon

i dont have any reason to townread santy and generally agree with the feeling that his reads might be coming from a place of TMI

dont have any reason to townread porscha

so if i had to shotgun a list of names that contain some mafia, it would look like alison/dya/santy/porscha/ender/tilg but this is a GTH list and not something im thinking very carefully about

lol spf is just a wolf

/vote spf

oh no watch me get sussed by random slots for not explaining myself despite the fact that they themselves just ask a bunch of useless questions that go nowhere or they just shitpost and just expect everyone else to do their work for them

So you keep saying not to explain stuff, then I ask you for stuff and you say you do explain stuff and that I miss it. What game are you playing?

my revised reads atm are probs something like

alison neon mac santy sean as villa

rondo wisp betsy as villa leans

ill probs have to go over tilgs wolf game at some point to see if my townlean there was justified but ngl their read on me felt pretty thoughtful and i cant recall if they matched anything like that last game

/vote ender

So neon is a townread of yours, and you never explained why (same goes with other reads of yours), nor did you explain your vote on neon.

Illario also has been doing this weird sheep thing which feels off for their normal town play.

When have I sheeped Aside for macs vote on neon that I left for the blink of an eye?

Regardless, I do sheep a fair bit as town

Only saying that you just sheep vote there.

Milium town Seanzie town.

I think ur probably town but can you explain these two reads ?

Your very first post is already giving a townread, and you gave so many townreads but you keep refusing explaining them, and you even dare denying that to me!

Give me one good reason why we should not lynch ilario.

All of these recent red bolded lines are so confident. Belzy isn't even trying to pretend like they're solving Ilario, they're just going at him for kind of no reason. There isn't like a notable progression up to this point in their iso. This is distancing and trying to look busy, plain and simple.

Give me one good reason why we should not lynch ilario.

How many times have you played with Ilario in the past?

How many times have you played with mafia Ilario?

What percentage of the posts in this game have you read?

How likely do you think we are to chop Ilario on day 1 with this playerlist?

1 time

0 times, only 3p ilario who sided with town

I hope a very high %, I try to catchup everytime and sometimes iso people

At this rate not likely

and did u not learn anyhting from that game? yall literally won the game because of the 3ps hard townsiding

I don't see how that is relevant here.

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Oh so all that conviction ends in Belzy just dropping it completely as if it didn't matter and voting Millium? There's not even the attempt to try and look like their progressing on Ilario's slot. They attacked Ilario and then moved off Ilario onto the day 1 ML target, Millium. These two pushes are very obviously w/v and then w/w. Belzy cares what Ender thinks and wants ender to feel like they're solving. Belzy does not give a fuck what Ilario thinks because why should they? they're partners lol. This push was never real. It's theatre.

u should probably read my d2 and then tell me your read on me

[dyachei]

i think both are likely but belzy seems to be on lily's case for low posting and interacts with rondo a whopping 1 time

I also think he isn't using his power effectively

[Lilypetal]

A lot of people are saying Aro/wisp one wolf there. I am trying to find out why Millium could be scum, because most are leaning there. While doing so I actually feel less sure on Alison, who changes her read so easily and quickly, just to agree with others. My first read on Millium is also being agreeable, and being very active posting.

so the millium "push" begins with sheeping consensus unlike their ilario push

How sure are people on Millium aka wisp?

wants more consensus

Millium

This deserve more attention.

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

naked votes probably for "pressure"

Millium

This deserve more attention.

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

what makes you feel that Millium is scummy? And what pinged you out specifically?

That's what I am trying to find out. The other options mentioned in the same breath as Millium look townier to me than Millium does, and lately posting (the thread) went to another direction while I am still wondering about this spot. Millium keeps saying he should not post and such, that does ping me.

Ignore last post. Quotes got messed up there.

has no stated reason to scumread millium lol

Well, if it's the case of others being townie of Mill from ur pov, I would wait and see how he continues to post and give him space as the game goes on. I know that as mafia, he is capable of posting his way out of trouble and isn't the type to resort to "not posting."

Which other names were mixed in with Mill that you tr over him?

I wish you quoted the fixed one. Hopefully I can fix it now and here.

Your name, mostly. Millium actually posts a lot, and he seems like someone who will keep doing that, but the content including saying he should not post pings me for some reason. Like he is present but could be more present content wise. If that makes sense. I do look forward to his contribution when he returns.

I apologize for that lol, I wish I did as well.

So with posting a lot, do you feel that he is just posting to post without much content behind the posts? Do you dislike the fact that he keeps saying he does not want to post while he keeps posting?

That is my theory, yes. Once Millium returns and posts again, I will have a stronger answer to that and I think pressuring him will help.

so yes this is just a "pressure" vote

I also slightly agree with ur tinfoil on Mac, and I would prefer more votes on Rondo

There are no votes on them, and they aren't townie, just not wolfy, and I would be against people voting them. This isn't about them, cry more

Lol. Cry more. What are we 12 year olds.

You seem awfully angry that I gave a town read to someone and backed up after being asked about it.

I mean people town read bad play, it's not all that uncommon. You backed it up with they are vibing, hoe hard is it to note vibe as a wolf, unlike you I don't have the meta, but I also don't think they are a wolf, so I really don't care honestly

I want rondo dead

You seem to really want Rondo dead. How confident are you Rondo's scum and why are you so confident?

asks questions! just like when talking to ender : )

I also slightly agree with ur tinfoil on Mac, and I would prefer more votes on Rondo

There are no votes on them, and they aren't townie, just not wolfy, and I would be against people voting them. This isn't about them, cry more

Lol. Cry more. What are we 12 year olds.

You seem awfully angry that I gave a town read to someone and backed up after being asked about it.

I mean people town read bad play, it's not all that uncommon. You backed it up with they are vibing, hoe hard is it to note vibe as a wolf, unlike you I don't have the meta, but I also don't think they are a wolf, so I really don't care honestly

I want rondo dead

You seem to really want Rondo dead. How confident are you Rondo's scum and why are you so confident?

Define confident, I just think between their entrance and their constant question asking it just reeks, whether that's the case or not, I don't know, it's just what I'm most confident in right now

You are either a towny that just post every thought they are having, or scum who busy bee's.

hedgy reply because again belzy doesnt really have a reason to SR millium

3 town leans and half s town lean to be exact, but I don't really know what differentiates betzy from the rest. I don't know if I have any problems with betzy outside the fact that I think their handling of my slot feels forced, since I don't believe as many people have but wolf reading as they seem to think is the case

Why are you so obsessed with me voting you?

none of this reads as w/w, belzy is just trying to paint Millium in a bad light even though they went from "pressuring" to pushing with 0 reason. There's no conviction to this push

@Belzy can you please give ur takes on wisp and Seanzie when u get the chance please!

I give wisp a fairly chance of being scum, and Seanzie I am less sure about placing him.

that's the last post about millium before Belzy pushes ender -> ilario. this push had no substance and was very clearly trying to capitalize on momentum towards Millium. This push and the ender push are very similar except one is a pocket and one is pushing lhf for 0 reason

[ilario]

Wouldn't be the first time I've been voted where my iso has been ignored after I've tunneled wolves, and mislynched a day before possible mylo/lylo

haha welcome to my life

fk it lets just kill rondo and move on with our lives. if hes town well this game probably was unwinnable to begin with