Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[MacDougall]

Not only that, but she then lied about the way she could resolve her in a way that if she didn't kill her and claim it (or at least just claim it, there's no guarantee it wasn't a different wolf that fired the shot), she would have been outed the following day and immediately chained to Porscha's corpse as we drove down the highway.

[ilario]

Is a polarized porcha really worth a slot tanking your entire towncred to save?

[ilario]

Not only that, but she then lied about the way she could resolve her in a way that if she didn't kill her and claim it (or at least just claim it, there's no guarantee it wasn't a different wolf that fired the shot), she would have been outed the following day and immediately chained to Porscha's corpse as we drove down the highway.

Yeah that’s probs the worst thing about her entire game

[MacDougall]

Is a polarized porcha really worth a slot tanking your entire towncred to save?

Valid question. The better question is "does town Lily ever have a townread on Porscha in their mafia meta that's strong enough to actually give a fuck about Porscha going over?"

[ilario]

Hmmm, also a valid question

[MacDougall]

Voters: Millium, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, EnderWiggin, ilario

Two lock wolves, a permanent memver of the POE, a top town, and a shrug slot.

Catch me on this wagon never.

Kinda wild that the entire Porscha wagon sans arogame who was the d1 chop is all still alive.

[MacDougall]

Let's scroll a bit.

[ilario]

so then lily rondo works. Either me or Sean blocked a kp on n2 and lily used it to clear herself

[MacDougall]

so then lily rondo works. Either me or Sean blocked a kp on n2 and lily used it to clear herself

Ilario if you want to have any chance of ending this session still snowing me please stop openwolfing. Just let me steer myself into a bad solve and sheep it like a smart wolf.

[ilario]

so then lily rondo works. Either me or Sean blocked a kp on n2 and lily used it to clear herself

That’s assuming ur theory is correct


You know what’s funny, lily is most definitely gonna see this tomorrow and then hard tunnel me for trying to work with you. Damned if I do, damned if I don’t lol

[ilario]

Bur yeah let’s continue, if I’m
Wrong on lily may as well figure it out now

[MacDougall]

This isn't ending with Lily. And you better be reading the thread from the point I posted and start actually analysing shit properly instead of trying to roll off of it to bring asinine mech solves like herr derr rondo is mafia.

[ilario]

so then lily rondo works. Either me or Sean blocked a kp on n2 and lily used it to clear herself

Ilario if you want to have any chance of ending this session still snowing me please stop openwolfing. Just let me steer myself into a bad solve and sheep it like a smart wolf.

thats what id like to be think id be doing if i were a wolf haha

[MacDougall]

(I appreciate the patience you are exhibiting with my hostile tone lol)

[ilario]

This isn't ending with Lily. And you better be reading the thread from the point I posted and start actually analysing shit properly instead of trying to roll off of it to bring asinine mech solves like herr derr rondo is mafia.

whycant rondo be mafia? his earlier posts today were pretty bad lol

[MacDougall]

Here's an interesting little section. We have Seanzie shrug voting Millium suddenly and SPF sheeping it. This looks like the origin story of the Millium wagon.

[MacDougall]

This isn't ending with Lily. And you better be reading the thread from the point I posted and start actually analysing shit properly instead of trying to roll off of it to bring asinine mech solves like herr derr rondo is mafia.

whycant rondo be mafia? his earlier posts today were pretty bad lol

Humouring players who are not appearing in this section of the game is disruptive to my process.

[ilario]

(I appreciate the patience you are exhibiting with my hostile tone lol)

its fine lol, koba and achro did much in finals and semis. i have to warn you though they were both collectively correct on 0 reads so maybe ur not in great company rn (im just messing...kinda)

[MacDougall]

Ok this game is now getting exciting and fun.

Who will side with who? Who will betray who heheh?

I hate this...

What's this then...

Sussy baka uwu 2 is now joining Sussy baka uwu 1 to defend Sussy baka uwu 3 from the evil Aro

[MacDougall]

(I can see now why Alison was tunneling Santy on day 2 btw)

[MacDougall]

I will also kill millium btw I believe aro/millium have the highest chances of a wolf rn

I do believe that contextually this rules out Millium/Lily most probably.

While at the same time making the likelihood they are t/w higher.

[ilario]

See this is what I mean, I bounce my vote around and every time it’s met with “omg, why does this person deserve this many votes”

i mean i checked vc and she had 5 votes

and i just looked at her iso and saw nothing bad

so im rightfully confused?

So can you explain why you believe I’m scummy then?

how about u dont vote lhf the entire game if ur town

Just because their lhf doesn’t mean their town lol

Link me why you voted Porscha. I don't want to ISO you because I want you to show thread for the record

this backs into my earlier point on lily not feeling like tmi on porcha.

lets say its w!lily w!porcha t!aro

she is essentially asking aro to broadcast to the thread why her wolfbro is scum and essentially boosting the potential towncred of popular mislim candidate aro in case hes actually able to successfully pull of the porcha wagon

[MacDougall]

(I appreciate the patience you are exhibiting with my hostile tone lol)

its fine lol, koba and achro did much in finals and semis. i have to warn you though they were both collectively correct on 0 reads so maybe ur not in great company rn (im just messing...kinda)

Yeah you know what you're right, the last person with any wim to bother trying to solve the game is possibly gonna wind up not doing so cuz Achro and Koba didn't in a different game. I should just give up.

[ilario]

Ok this game is now getting exciting and fun.

Who will side with who? Who will betray who heheh?

I hate this...

this post feels more pingy because its just fanning flames on aro even though he hasnt really said anything scummy in that post

[ilario]

(I appreciate the patience you are exhibiting with my hostile tone lol)

its fine lol, koba and achro did much in finals and semis. i have to warn you though they were both collectively correct on 0 reads so maybe ur not in great company rn (im just messing...kinda)

Yeah you know what you're right, the last person with any wim to bother trying to solve the game is possibly gonna wind up not doing so cuz Achro and Koba didn't in a different game. I should just give up.

thats not what im getting at lol, i just feel like if we are gonnna be productive and successful its best to not strongarm me into your worldview and rather just hear each other out

[MacDougall]

tbf I like the fact that SPF called out Belzy's progression on me, even if I'm a bit conf biased on the matter
and they kinda poof out of existence since last night

and Ender was definitely more thoughtful in their progression in baby mafia than what I see here

arogame123
Belzy
Cham
dyachei
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
santygrass
Seanzie
Tilgarial

Cham and day both feel up in the air at this point
Porscha has also done nothing, but I feel inclined to ask what should I expect from them lol
I think Neon's interactions with were good, and they really popped off with their last burst of posting (still kinda shrugging at the fact they twisted my words into wanting to kill a townie though, and from my POV Porshca still doesn't deserve a town lean.

arogame123
Belzy
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
santygrass
Seanzie
Tilgarial

while I can see the argument that Santy feels to confident, this to me still feels more like their finals than semi's

arogame123
Belzy
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
Seanzie
Tilgarial

this is the PoE I really want to shift through, and try to downsize it

yannoooo this post might just clear millium

interesting millium was the one you felt permitted to want to bury when I started going ape shit over all this

[ilario]

Like it feels like ur moreso trying to force your worldview onto me rather than work with me, that’s the similarity I was noting

[ilario]

tbf I like the fact that SPF called out Belzy's progression on me, even if I'm a bit conf biased on the matter
and they kinda poof out of existence since last night

and Ender was definitely more thoughtful in their progression in baby mafia than what I see here

arogame123
Belzy
Cham
dyachei
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
santygrass
Seanzie
Tilgarial

Cham and day both feel up in the air at this point
Porscha has also done nothing, but I feel inclined to ask what should I expect from them lol
I think Neon's interactions with were good, and they really popped off with their last burst of posting (still kinda shrugging at the fact they twisted my words into wanting to kill a townie though, and from my POV Porshca still doesn't deserve a town lean.

arogame123
Belzy
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
santygrass
Seanzie
Tilgarial

while I can see the argument that Santy feels to confident, this to me still feels more like their finals than semi's

arogame123
Belzy
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
Seanzie
Tilgarial

this is the PoE I really want to shift through, and try to downsize it

yannoooo this post might just clear millium

interesting millium was the one you felt permitted to want to bury when I started going ape shit over all this

Whys that clear him?

[MacDougall]

Bro wtf am I even doing here Millium is lock clear from their Porscha interactions.

[MacDougall]

Like it feels like ur moreso trying to force your worldview onto me rather than work with me, that’s the similarity I was noting

Oh no I'm so evil and forceful.

[MacDougall]

Look at me, literally solving in real time, changing my reads in front of you based on actual posts... forcing my worldview on you.

[MacDougall]

lol there we go. I'll do those now Aro. Wasn't Lumi in this game?

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Skimmed through Porscha ISO and this is fine.

make sure u vote in the poll at the top of the page as well

Aaaanyway there is more there that I am not going to spoonfeed you if you literally open Millium's ISO.

@Millium congratulations you now also have a shield and are incontrovertible town.

Town

Nanook
Millium

POE

Lilypetal
Neon
Dyachei
Ilario
Belzy

We play find the town in the POE list here and I think that is how we win this game.

[MacDougall]

Anywho we just took a short detour into Millium town. Back to page 42 lol.

[ilario]

Lmao it's too late to ping me, call it a self preservationvote, she hasn't doing anything wolfy, but she certainly isn't townie

[VOTE: Milium] aubergine

this also doesnt feel good, looks like neon is trying to end on any wagon that isnt porcha

[ilario]

lol there we go. I'll do those now Aro. Wasn't Lumi in this game?

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Skimmed through Porscha ISO and this is fine.

make sure u vote in the poll at the top of the page as well

Aaaanyway there is more there that I am not going to spoonfeed you if you literally open Millium's ISO.

@Millium congratulations you now also have a shield and are incontrovertible town.

Town

Nanook
Millium

POE

Lilypetal
Neon
Dyachei
Ilario
Belzy

We play find the town in the POE list here and I think that is how we win this game.

oh yeah i agree lmao thats good

[ilario]

make how many players do you need to clear not named illario for us to win. im happy to help u townclear slots and u can keep me in the perma-poe which might actually be pro-town to do

[ilario]

make how many players do you need to clear not named illario for us to win. im happy to help u townclear slots and u can keep me in the perma-poe which might actually be pro-town to do

mac*

[MacDougall]

Like there's a LOT a lot.

Millium voted Porscha as half self pres half "this is a meh slot" and was like entirely apathetic to it in a way that is never partnery and then when they were perfectly placed there for distancing/bussing literally self voted instead of switching to arogame. Just like... if it's mafia good on you brah.

[ilario]

team is neon rondo and todays vote on neon is just rondo trying to distance because he knows neon is never going over today

[MacDougall]

make how many players do you need to clear not named illario for us to win. im happy to help u townclear slots and u can keep me in the perma-poe which might actually be pro-town to do

Fucks me if Belzy is mafia not many. If Belzy is town... probably like, every town haha.

[EnderWiggin]

DYA CASING:

Spoiler: show

sup. trying to get caught up

NAI

think mac is town. his attitude feels more free flowing than his recent wolf games

NAI

i think this is the first game i've seen where seanzie has not overwhelmed me with his towniness

Kinda NAI but Seanzie did call this out. I'm not going to use that tho because Seanzie calls out lots of people and some are town.

i think this is the first game i've seen where seanzie has not overwhelmed me with his towniness

This is our third game together I think, both other games you were a wolf?

I might me misrecalling, but is this a real thought? It doesn't feel real.

I think we've played 4 because in at least 1 i was a villager

you'r erather subdued this game so far

NAI

also wolfy pop in from seanzie

NAI

alison whats your read on seanzie?

Singular focus, small footprint. Wolftell. (Weak because it's early.)

kind of think aro is town but I'm basing this off of turbo meta which is prob bad

NAI but noted for later changes.

k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.

so why aren't you obvtowning this game?

Focus on Seanzie. Still mostly NAI.

i like spf this game

NAI.

It's hard to catch up when there are like 20 new pages overnight when i can't post

Fair but NAI.

how come I see nanook talking on this page about voting on alison but they're on me?

Eh but NAI.

I'm not UTR, I'm just busy lol. I have to post while the baby naps

NAI.

I think ilario is hitting his town notes.

V
Mac
ilario

v lean
aro

null
everyone else

Scum lean
seanzie

NAI.

No mention of the SPF townread.

also for the record, when i was on yesterday the only time anyone interacted with me was when i said seanzie wasn't being obvtown like normal and he popped in right at that moment to not like it

Most of their posts at this point were about Seanzie or "I townread x". There's not a lot to engage with that tbh. This feels weird.

I think ilario is hitting his town notes.

V
Mac
ilario

v lean
aro

null
everyone else

Scum lean
seanzie

add spf to the v lean section

Quick enough that I'd generally call it an NAI mistake. But still noted.

I'm not UTR, I'm just busy lol. I have to post while the baby naps

I'm not saying its intentional? Mostly signaling the impact in the thread if it makes any sense.

And like, I know that Porscha being present in the thread and *doing* stuff is town indicative, so I put Porscha in wolflean because that's not happening. With you I dont have that type of insight and just observing tbh

activity isn't a tell for me, usually. I can post as wolf and villager. Activity is strictly based on availability

As someone who has the same issue I empathise with this. Also NAI.

I think ilario is hitting his town notes.

V
Mac
ilario

v lean
aro

null
everyone else

Scum lean
seanzie

Talk to me about aro?

I think he's explaining his reads better than he does when he's wolfing but my experience with him is mostly in turbos which is why it's only a lean

NAI mostly. Kinda weak but Dya admits it.

also for the record, when i was on yesterday the only time anyone interacted with me was when i said seanzie wasn't being obvtown like normal and he popped in right at that moment to not like it

Yeh, I think Seanzie kinda blatantly is on thread and doesnt seem to care about replying to most stuff but its quick to reply if there is a post relating to them.

But... I dont really know if that is AI? like, it just seemed so blatant to me that I read it as a playstyle thingy

I don't really see him solving in thread which is unusual for him

Not always but I can see this as an observation from town perspective.

@RondoDimBuckle

I'm not obv towning because I usually don't d1 and I've had limited time

I could make this wolfy but tbh there's explanations for it. (Wolfy "Why did it take so long to respond this? Possibly going back to respond because it's a teammate." but also "Catching up" and other explanations as town.)

k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.

so why aren't you obvtowning this game?

Hello dya, I hope everything is going well with your baby since our last game together.

I think I've only played with a townSean, and I surely don't often see a townSean as an obvi townSean. What are you looking for in his posting you are not seeing here?

@Belzy

I expect to see Seanzie thinking in the thread and solving. I'm not seeing that. I expect seanzie to have pretty strong opinions about wolves. I'm not really seeing that, either

Hope you're doing well

Kinda wolfy interaction with someone I think flips red here (Belzy).

But mehNAI

I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

Almost like you had a "Null" section and a "Wolf lean" section on your readslist. This is just really un-charitable to Aro.

I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

What do you think of my case on Santygrass?

I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Kinda NAI, notably a lot of Dya's focus on Seanzie's posts and thoughts.

I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

What do you think of my case on Santygrass?

I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

NAI more interaction with Seanzie.

I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

What do you think of my case on Santygrass?

I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.

I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

The narrow focus on Aro/Seanzie is my first concern in this.

Since I posted my last reads list and have done a lot of questioning and interacting and backreading my list looks more like this.

Confident town

Allison
Belzy
ilario
Lilypetal
EnderWiggen
Neon
Tilgarial

Slight town lean

dyachei
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Seanzie

Slight wolf lean

arogame123
RondoDimBuckle

Wolf lean

Millium
Porscha
santygrass
staypositivefriend

@MacDougall how did i go from wolfy to towny in your reads list?

NAI

I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.

I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

I don't really disagree, but it is something some wolves try to do, so I wanted to mention it.

About as solid of a read as your "wolfy popin" read on me.

wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game

NAI.

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.

I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

I don't really disagree, but it is something some wolves try to do, so I wanted to mention it.

About as solid of a read as your "wolfy popin" read on me.

wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game

Wolves also tend to try to change the course of discussion when one of their teammates slips or is in hot water. Kind of like you this game.

literally all you have done is talk about reads on you or reply to people when your name comes up

I've discussed with you why i don't agree with your read, I've interacted with people over their reads multiple times

I'm ALSO catching up on the thread

do you see the difference yet?

Eh but NAI

I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

I don't really disagree, but it is something some wolves try to do, so I wanted to mention it.

About as solid of a read as your "wolfy popin" read on me.

wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game

Wolves also tend to try to change the course of discussion when one of their teammates slips or is in hot water. Kind of like you this game.

literally all you have done is talk about reads on you or reply to people when your name comes up

I've discussed with you why i don't agree with your read, I've interacted with people over their reads multiple times

I'm ALSO catching up on the thread

do you see the difference yet?

All I see is an outed wolf waiting to be flipped and someone who could possibly be their partner, but I'm not super confident on that second part.

lmao im not even v reading them seanzie

NAI still.

apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

This is a really weak fire back.

I want to note heavily that Dya's spent all this time ignoring a lot of content including the start of sus on Porscha.

apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.

I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice

NAI self-meta.

apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.

I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice

I don't remember anything about your approach to your partners in either of those games.

seems like a skill issue

NAI.

so seanzie, why am I a potential partner to santy but not millium who has the same take I have?

So focused on Seanzie, but obviously aware of other parts of the thread.

apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.

I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice

I don't remember anything about your approach to your partners in either of those games.

seems like a skill issue

whenever I see your avi, I keep thinking of chilly from champs
if you're mafia and win this game, it would be highly entertaining if your reactionpost was "Oh"

I've been rocking this avi for like 5 years or something

NAI.

V
mac
ilario
millium

v lean
spf

scum lean
aro
seanzie
alison

No statement about Alison but still calling this NAI.

alison i think i've been posting enough today to have more than a shrug read on for you

This is the only reason provided. It's kinda weak.

[VOTE: aro] aubergine

Okay, HERE'S where it gets spicy. Aro wagon start when Porscha/Wisp are the wagons. Has never addressed Porscha sus, or anything about that at all. Has not even mentioned Porscha yet.

alison i think i've been posting enough today to have more than a shrug read on for you

You have I just haven't read any of it because I haven't read a bunch of posts made when I was asleep. If you want I can do an ISO and share my thoughts.

yeah

NAI

[VOTE: aro] aubergine

You had me as leaning town to now voting me? Can you explain this progression and pop in with only about 40 minutes left in EOD? Lol

I explained earlier in posts you probably didnt read. I don't like that you have me in POE but have other people that had lowposted to that point in the null pile. also shouldnt null be in poe by definition?

Dya clearly has people with no read, aka "null", but not in scumleans. Perhaps difference in terminology usage but this is such a nitpick as to WHY Aro is the wagon.

[VOTE: aro] aubergine

You had me as leaning town to now voting me? Can you explain this progression and pop in with only about 40 minutes left in EOD? Lol

I explained earlier in posts you probably didnt read. I don't like that you have me in POE but have other people that had lowposted to that point in the null pile. also shouldnt null be in poe by definition?

Well I felt uninspired when u came in so I just put u at border of poE/null. It was more so I had u in poE than having u scummy.

yes my issue isnt that you found me null. its that you put me in poe when you had a null section that wasnt in the poe. feels like a false categorization

This push is toothless. This is not a real reason to scumread someone over Millium "Selfvote" Wisp and Porscha "Wolfy" Porscha.

Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that

NAI meh.

[VOTE: aro] aubergine

You had me as leaning town to now voting me? Can you explain this progression and pop in with only about 40 minutes left in EOD? Lol

I explained earlier in posts you probably didnt read. I don't like that you have me in POE but have other people that had lowposted to that point in the null pile. also shouldnt null be in poe by definition?

Well I felt uninspired when u came in so I just put u at border of poE/null. It was more so I had u in poE than having u scummy.

yes my issue isnt that you found me null. its that you put me in poe when you had a null section that wasnt in the poe. feels like a false categorization

Oh I see, I guess it’s more so that I read some of ur content that felt kind of weak-ish in catchup hence why I had u in that poE but with others like chamile who were strict null and Nanook who I had agreed with some reads on and seanzie who seemed to get some town reads here and there. So that’s why I had the list the way I did and kind of made some solidifications there based on what I saw from my pov.


But I guess my question is, why do you vote me over ur other sr? What are ur thoughts on Seanzie since it seemed like u had some issues around his slot?

well after scum reading seanzie he actually did some work so I'm less sure on him right now

Meh.

Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that

Do you agree with the logic of the read? ie. Do you agree with me when I say that Seanzie not caring how people read him is a towntell, and that Seanzie has not cared how people read him this game?

I don't think that's a town tell for him, no.

Tries to invalidate a town's reason for townreading another town. But I'll be generous and call this NAI.

I hate policy votes tbh and millium had a similar read to me of seanzie's case

Has now addressed the Millium wagon. Still no mention of Porscha.

Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that

Do you agree with the logic of the read? ie. Do you agree with me when I say that Seanzie not caring how people read him is a towntell, and that Seanzie has not cared how people read him this game?

I don't think that's a town tell for him, no.

ok. I see you have improved your opinion on Seanzie after he started doing things as well. So perhaps you aren't treating Seanzie as poorly as I thought.

What are your reads on Wisp, aro and Porscha?

aro is a scum lean, wisp is a v lean, and no read on porscha

"No read on Porscha". First mention and it was because Alison has forced it.

I explained earlier in posts you probably didnt read. I don't like that you have me in POE but have other people that had lowposted to that point in the null pile. also shouldnt null be in poe by definition?

Well I felt uninspired when u came in so I just put u at border of poE/null. It was more so I had u in poE than having u scummy.

yes my issue isnt that you found me null. its that you put me in poe when you had a null section that wasnt in the poe. feels like a false categorization

Oh I see, I guess it’s more so that I read some of ur content that felt kind of weak-ish in catchup hence why I had u in that poE but with others like chamile who were strict null and Nanook who I had agreed with some reads on and seanzie who seemed to get some town reads here and there. So that’s why I had the list the way I did and kind of made some solidifications there based on what I saw from my pov.


But I guess my question is, why do you vote me over ur other sr? What are ur thoughts on Seanzie since it seemed like u had some issues around his slot?

well after scum reading seanzie he actually did some work so I'm less sure on him right now

Shouldn't that be a red flag?

no. It's not a red flag because it seemed cross posted for 1 and for 2 you seemed to really believe it

NAI but still heavily focusing on Seanzie.

I hate policy votes tbh and millium had a similar read to me of seanzie's case

You can vote Millium for being scummy instead of for policy if you want.

I dont really think he's being wolfy but I dont know his meta

NAI.

aro is a scum lean, wisp is a v lean, and no read on porscha

I'd be ok with an aro vote as well. Aro and Wisp are my top two scumreads.

am voting aro currently

NAI.

@dyachei so ur telling me that my placement of u in poE in comparison to others that I’ve already explained is why you sr? I just feel like it’s odd considering how I’m tr me earlier in comparison to have that be the reason to switch to Now want to vote me today over anyone else based on ur reads.

you weren't a strong tr and i said it might be for bad reasons multiple times

STILL hyperfocused on Aro/Seanzie.

@dyachei so ur telling me that my placement of u in poE in comparison to others that I’ve already explained is why you sr? I just feel like it’s odd considering how I’m tr me earlier in comparison to have that be the reason to switch to Now want to vote me today over anyone else based on ur reads.

you weren't a strong tr and i said it might be for bad reasons multiple times

Right but still to change from a leaning town to a vote on day 1 just doesn’t sit right based on the reasoning you mentioned.

Like I even explained it to u and I feel like you dismissed it tbh.

yes i dont buy your explanation. it still seems like fake categorization.

Aro is pointing out how it feels like such a weak reason for Dya's apparent strength of read.

and like the only reason to have that fake characterization is to keep me in the POE when others were wolf reading me.

Weak response.

and like the only reason to have that fake characterization is to keep me in the POE when others were wolf reading me.

Yea but I stated my reasoning and that it’s borderline and I’m not even pushing u that hard.

I’m gonna state how I feel about my reads and place them where I feel is fit even if you feel like it’s unjustified compared to others.

and I'm allowed to make reads based on what you put into thread

NAI.

Do you feel like I was “echo-ing” people’s sr on you Dya or voicing for u to get push or throw shade onto ur slot?

I think you were throwing shade on my slot and keeping me easy to mis-elim

This is such a reach of a read god.

Do you feel like I was “echo-ing” people’s sr on you Dya or voicing for u to get push or throw shade onto ur slot?

I think you were throwing shade on my slot and keeping me easy to mis-elim

How so?

Before this convo, I never once really stated ur name as much or made a big post where I wanted u dead lol

yes, that's part of my issue with it. you threw me into POE without having discussed my posts like at all

Mrrrrrr.

Do you feel like I was “echo-ing” people’s sr on you Dya or voicing for u to get push or throw shade onto ur slot?

I think you were throwing shade on my slot and keeping me easy to mis-elim

How so?

Before this convo, I never once really stated ur name as much or made a big post where I wanted u dead lol

yes, that's part of my issue with it. you threw me into POE without having discussed my posts like at all

I mean if I’m trying to mis-elim you, I’d do more than just put ur name in poE and now I’ve discussed why I did so in comparison to the other 3.

I feel like ur changing things now at first that U were upset that I placed you in poE in comparison to the other 3 to now you disliked that i put u in poE “for attempting to push u as an easy ml.”

you misunderstand

You're keeping me in easy reach to mis-elim. you're not actively trying right this second

This would be a surprising tunnel if town.

nanook and the other name were not being consensus wolf read at the time, I was.

Mrrrr. Wolfy self-focus.

How so?

Before this convo, I never once really stated ur name as much or made a big post where I wanted u dead lol

yes, that's part of my issue with it. you threw me into POE without having discussed my posts like at all

I mean if I’m trying to mis-elim you, I’d do more than just put ur name in poE and now I’ve discussed why I did so in comparison to the other 3.

I feel like ur changing things now at first that U were upset that I placed you in poE in comparison to the other 3 to now you disliked that i put u in poE “for attempting to push u as an easy ml.”

you misunderstand

You're keeping me in easy reach to mis-elim. you're not actively trying right this second

That's how he treated me too and he complained I was spinning false narratives when I called him out on it.

But you guys are kind of putting that in my mouth and are “anticipating what I’d do” when that’s not even true lol. Like you guys are thinking that’s what’s gonna happen but it hasn’t happen. So idk why you’d think about something that “could” happen when it hasn’t.

your defense is really "but I haven't done that yet"?

you're setting up to do it so we're calling you on it

I actually am disappointed in myself as a whole about this wagon so meh but NAI for this.

I mean if I’m trying to mis-elim you, I’d do more than just put ur name in poE and now I’ve discussed why I did so in comparison to the other 3.

I feel like ur changing things now at first that U were upset that I placed you in poE in comparison to the other 3 to now you disliked that i put u in poE “for attempting to push u as an easy ml.”

you misunderstand

You're keeping me in easy reach to mis-elim. you're not actively trying right this second

That's how he treated me too and he complained I was spinning false narratives when I called him out on it.

But you guys are kind of putting that in my mouth and are “anticipating what I’d do” when that’s not even true lol. Like you guys are thinking that’s what’s gonna happen but it hasn’t happen. So idk why you’d think about something that “could” happen when it hasn’t.

your defense is really "but I haven't done that yet"?

you're setting up to do it so we're calling you on it

But that’s disengenious is my point because you’re saying I’m doing that when that’s not my intention and then you saying “I will do that” is just really unfair since it’s assuming something.

And you know what they say, assume makes an ass out of u and me.

Also, Alison explicitly stated I tried to get votes on her today which that is not true. I never once tried to get votes piled on Alison today from others.

you do understand the game of mafia relies on picking up patterns and set ups, right? Like you have to make some assumptions regarding what people are doing to make reads

This is bad. Also echoing and pushing Alison to do this is feelsbad.

So @dyachei do u think the 3 people I’ve placed in my nulls are my partners then that I didn’t put them in poE? Cause u seemed more upset about that at first of my treatment of u compared to the other 3 I had in my nulls lol.

not necessarily no. I think you're setting up easy mis-elims. That doesnt automatically make the people in the null pile your partners

talk about assumptions

Mrrrrr.

i think porscha aro are never w/w

Porscha defends aro early and then takes issue with aro when he tries to take validity away from her TR of me. The convo doesn't read like w/w at all

Otherwise Porscha feels comfy in thread and hasn't done anything offensive. I wouldn't look there today and if aro flips W I'd lock her V

@staypositivefriend

porscha and aro are already a solved difference check

What have I missed here exactly

I am very confident that arogame is mafia and you are never teammed so you're a solved difference check lol.

why not vote aro with me?

(and cham is kind of feeling teammate-y to him rn)

Heavily advocating for Aro.

mac, i have a light v read on millium rn, yeah. I think even if he is wolf, aro is more likely to be a wolf

Directing focus to the Millium wagon, once again ignoring the Porscha wagon.

mac, i have a light v read on millium rn, yeah. I think even if he is wolf, aro is more likely to be a wolf

can you articulate why you think wisp is v?

i kind of liked their thought process when i was arguing with seanzie

Defending their position.

mac, i have a light v read on millium rn, yeah. I think even if he is wolf, aro is more likely to be a wolf

can you articulate why you think wisp is v?

i kind of liked their thought process when i was arguing with seanzie

can you show me it and what you liked about it?

was a very similar thought process to mine. So it was kind of like mindmelding a bit.

More defending position.

also dyachei is trying to pull votes off millium to put them onto arogame which could be simply to get porscha's wagon closer to millium's... especially given their stated reason for townreading wisp was trash.

no, i want votes to come off porscha and onto aro. i think aro is howling rn

SECOND reference to Porscha. Again directly when it's addressed to them.

man i think cham and aro are both howling rn

Echo chambering a read Alison has.

also dyachei is trying to pull votes off millium to put them onto arogame which could be simply to get porscha's wagon closer to millium's... especially given their stated reason for townreading wisp was trash.

no, i want votes to come off porscha and onto aro. i think aro is howling rn

i think porscha aro are never w/w

Porscha defends aro early and then takes issue with aro when he tries to take validity away from her TR of me. The convo doesn't read like w/w at all

Otherwise Porscha feels comfy in thread and hasn't done anything offensive. I wouldn't look there today and if aro flips W I'd lock her V

@staypositivefriend

porscha and aro are already a solved difference check

What have I missed here exactly

I am very confident that arogame is mafia and you are never teammed so you're a solved difference check lol.

why not vote aro with me?

(and cham is kind of feeling teammate-y to him rn)

I am voting millium. You strictly asked a millium voter to unvote.

i asked why you werent voting aro after saying you were confident he was mafia. i didnt look for your vote beyond seeing you were not on aro

"I don't care about the other wagons, certainly not the one on a wolf b-baka."

like i agree with mac that cham and aro are wolfing it up but buy trying to get votes on wolves im somehow protecting them?

Pushing the wagon again.

What does BTSC mean?

behind th scenes chat

NAI

like i agree with mac that cham and aro are wolfing it up but buy trying to get votes on wolves im somehow protecting them?

seanzie pointed out that the porscha wagon is close to millium's, you asked me to unvote millium and vote aro which would have made that even closer... not sure why you're confused why I made the statement I did... calm down anyway its not as if this goes anywhere

let me repeat since you seem unable to understand. i did not know you were voting millium

I think aro and cham are more likely to flip wolf than millium, as well. I don't want a wagon on porscha. I want wagons on cham and aro but mostly aro since there's a chance he could go over

Strangely resistant to a wagon on Porscha.

seanzie also pointed that out after i asked you. and he was commenting more on someone else saying that porscha was probably mafia as a result of gamestate

Echoing the anti-Porscha-Mafia-On-Gamestate read.

Lowkey Porscha been scummy as fuck during this last cpl hours lol.

Lowkey kinda agree but also Chamo howling makes me not care about that for now.

yeah but like does chamo and arogame being supremely scummy atm truly indicate that wisp is a hit like...

do they both just out themselves to save wisp who is 100% going over here?

@dyachei do you think porscha is scummier than wisp?

porscha is always a weird read for me. so yes because they are null. i just dont think they are the best wagon for today

"I'm not defending my partner honest."

Just go aro then he's mafia in every world.

are you trying to get porscha elimmed?

"Haha look at me post about limming my partner."

Someone give me a gun tonight and I'll reward you by shooting mafia.

you would shoot yourself?

NAI but actually funny.

Just go aro then he's mafia in every world.

are you trying to get porscha elimmed?

tbf I said mac was being silly when he accused you of that

was a joke

NAI

I will be flipping town so once again, please do not be discouraged if you are town and are on my wagon. It happens, don’t worry about it.

Just promise me you’ll win the game and follow my legacy

we still have 2 and a half hours of the dayphase left and you are nearly tied with another wagon so idk why youre throwing in the towel so early. it seems quite possible for you to survive dont u think?

hour 30 i think isnt it?

NAI

Kk Nanook is considered Outed then and I will do my utmost to absolute murderize them

Alison has claimed stuff like this before and was only telling half truths. I kind of get why nanook doesnt trust her. I don't think nook is outed at all

This mildly might be pairing with Nanook lol.

I'm also not sure what to think about the thread suddenly going silent after everything boiled over into the aro wagon, I was kind of expecting there to be more energy around

am still here. just had to feed the baby momentarily

NAI

I'm also not sure what to think about the thread suddenly going silent after everything boiled over into the aro wagon, I was kind of expecting there to be more energy around

am still here. just had to feed the baby momentarily

Yeah, people are still here
But the wagon movements/considerations are dead

i think aro is outed so im not really concerned

also would be ok with a chamomile wagon

NAI.

Honestly, with 10 votes and no competitive wagon, I can't really do much but provide my legacy.

I am not worried cause I know my town got this in the bag hehe

you've had like an hour to provide it and I see nothing

NAI. Still pushing on Aro.

Honestly, with 10 votes and no competitive wagon, I can't really do much but provide my legacy.

I am not worried cause I know my town got this in the bag hehe

you've had like an hour to provide it and I see nothing

I was busy lol and was watching football.

But I have provided my reads/legacies in depth quite a bunch and it's pretty clear where I stand.

summarize

NAI.

I'm also not sure what to think about the thread suddenly going silent after everything boiled over into the aro wagon, I was kind of expecting there to be more energy around

am still here. just had to feed the baby momentarily

Yeah, people are still here
But the wagon movements/considerations are dead

i think aro is outed so im not really concerned

also would be ok with a chamomile wagon

I don't understand how you think I am outted when I have never claimed mafia or anything but have continued to give reads throughout the day.

Just know you may be victorious rn but the town will come for u upon my death, so I do not worry hehe

giving reads is not alignment indicative. I think your pushes have been wolfy

But also Dya sussed for exactly reads and not the pushes made.

am still here. just had to feed the baby momentarily

Yeah, people are still here
But the wagon movements/considerations are dead

i think aro is outed so im not really concerned

also would be ok with a chamomile wagon

I don't understand how you think I am outted when I have never claimed mafia or anything but have continued to give reads throughout the day.

Just know you may be victorious rn but the town will come for u upon my death, so I do not worry hehe

giving reads is not alignment indicative. I think your pushes have been wolfy

I am pushing on Porscha who u null read what?

I tr Wisp who u tr as well?

Which of my pushes have been wolfy?

And if u say urs then it's just blatantly false lmfao

its mroe the way you've been pushing them. but i dont think porscha has been as bad as you claim and I didnt like your take on their wagon being stale because they had like 6 votes at the time

Ew.

i think aro is outed so im not really concerned

also would be ok with a chamomile wagon

I don't understand how you think I am outted when I have never claimed mafia or anything but have continued to give reads throughout the day.

Just know you may be victorious rn but the town will come for u upon my death, so I do not worry hehe

giving reads is not alignment indicative. I think your pushes have been wolfy

I am pushing on Porscha who u null read what?

I tr Wisp who u tr as well?

Which of my pushes have been wolfy?

And if u say urs then it's just blatantly false lmfao

its mroe the way you've been pushing them. but i dont think porscha has been as bad as you claim and I didnt like your take on their wagon being stale because they had like 6 votes at the time

And they all redirected to Wisp/me lol.

And the way I've been pushing them? Can you elaborate further bc that's pretty vague

i mean, it feels like you've been opportunistic with your reads and vote all day

"It's not your reads but it's your reads."

So, for town, we have mac/Ilario/Nanook/ender/Rondo/Lily

Don’t kill in there and we should be fine.

Below that, we have spf/neon/wisp where they need some attention but def not on high radar rn. Spf pushing me isn’t a good look but it’s fine, I trust her if she’s town to turn it around.

Alison mentioned she can inno herself so if she can’t do that, you just insta kill her, that simple.

Then we have the kill list:

You guys should kill Porscha, Tilg, Dya, Santy, Cham, and Seanzie.

You should always start with Porscha after me and go from there and evaluate, thanks!

Ah here it is! This is my legacy arigato

you really think me/seanzie was w/w theater?

Lol.

giving reads is not alignment indicative. I think your pushes have been wolfy

I am pushing on Porscha who u null read what?

I tr Wisp who u tr as well?

Which of my pushes have been wolfy?

And if u say urs then it's just blatantly false lmfao

its mroe the way you've been pushing them. but i dont think porscha has been as bad as you claim and I didnt like your take on their wagon being stale because they had like 6 votes at the time

And they all redirected to Wisp/me lol.

And the way I've been pushing them? Can you elaborate further bc that's pretty vague

i mean, it feels like you've been opportunistic with your reads and vote all day

How so? Every vote I made was on someone who I was either pushing to get a read on or sr?

You can't say it's opportunistic when I also voted on Neon at a time when she had no votes lol.

I also mentioned my issues on Porscha prior to her wagon growing. If I was opportunistic, I'd hop on the Wisp bandwagon and keep my lips sealed.

then we'll agree to disagree. because i think your vote on porscha was opportunistic

"I have no read on this person but you voting there was opportunistic."

its mroe the way you've been pushing them. but i dont think porscha has been as bad as you claim and I didnt like your take on their wagon being stale because they had like 6 votes at the time

And they all redirected to Wisp/me lol.

And the way I've been pushing them? Can you elaborate further bc that's pretty vague

i mean, it feels like you've been opportunistic with your reads and vote all day

How so? Every vote I made was on someone who I was either pushing to get a read on or sr?

You can't say it's opportunistic when I also voted on Neon at a time when she had no votes lol.

I also mentioned my issues on Porscha prior to her wagon growing. If I was opportunistic, I'd hop on the Wisp bandwagon and keep my lips sealed.

then we'll agree to disagree. because i think your vote on porscha was opportunistic

lol, we've clearly been in an agree to disagree this whole game esp when I clarified my stances on you but you refused to listen.

Like even with this convo, what are u getting out of it?

I am going to die regardless, like if ur town, you should be discussing with me about my reads, not to continue to "attempt" burrying me lol

you literally asked. I asked you for your legacy, remember?

NAI. I'll give it NAI.

what do i get out of it by continuing to go at you if I'm a wolf?

Focus and a lack of requirement to read anyone else today.

i mean, it feels like you've been opportunistic with your reads and vote all day

How so? Every vote I made was on someone who I was either pushing to get a read on or sr?

You can't say it's opportunistic when I also voted on Neon at a time when she had no votes lol.

I also mentioned my issues on Porscha prior to her wagon growing. If I was opportunistic, I'd hop on the Wisp bandwagon and keep my lips sealed.

then we'll agree to disagree. because i think your vote on porscha was opportunistic

lol, we've clearly been in an agree to disagree this whole game esp when I clarified my stances on you but you refused to listen.

Like even with this convo, what are u getting out of it?

I am going to die regardless, like if ur town, you should be discussing with me about my reads, not to continue to "attempt" burrying me lol

you literally asked. I asked you for your legacy, remember?

And I provided it

not before bitching about it being in the thread first

NAI.

then we'll agree to disagree. because i think your vote on porscha was opportunistic

lol, we've clearly been in an agree to disagree this whole game esp when I clarified my stances on you but you refused to listen.

Like even with this convo, what are u getting out of it?

I am going to die regardless, like if ur town, you should be discussing with me about my reads, not to continue to "attempt" burrying me lol

you literally asked. I asked you for your legacy, remember?

And I provided it

not before bitching about it being in the thread first

? You didn't respond to my reads/legacy lol

idk why ur getting upset dya.

not upset at all

just responding to your points in thread

NAI.

END OF DAY ONE:
Summary:
Focused entirely on Aro/Seanzie. Provided almost no content that wasn't a throwaway "I townread x" outside pushing them. Weak reasons and changing goalposts. Slight add of Chamo pushing. All 3 were town.

Tl;dr
1. Narrow focus on Seanzie/Aro on Early D1.
2. Starts the Aro counterwagon to Porscha having NEVER interacted, mentioned, or even addressed anything about Porscha. Doesn't mention or address Porscha/Porscha wagon until Alison forces them to.
3. Sussed Aro for reads and then claimed reads aren't the reason and that it was pushes. Look through Dya's ISO and work out which push.
4. EVEN when Dya finally admits to sussing Porscha on D2, never commits to primary wagon them and pushes Seanzie/Chamo/Alison over them until Lily rescinds Mech defense and asks people to wagon. The moment the Mech defense appears it swaps over again.
5. Constantly undermines Mac's reads while calling him town. (Pocketing due to loverised with teammate.) This is INSTANT on D2, where from the start of it Dya engages with Mac as "Wrong towny" from their first set of posts.

[VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

(Post was too long so I'm splitting it in 2.)

[MacDougall]

team is neon rondo and todays vote on neon is just rondo trying to distance because he knows neon is never going over today

I really do not think that it is Rondo but we shall see what comes of this current process. Stop pushing Rondo and get back on page 42 with me biatch.

[EnderWiggin]

Spoiler: show

mac: thought aro was a wolf and loudly proclaimed it

mac today: it was all dya and alison

when i voted aro, nobody wanted to join me. It wasn't until other players saw how aro was playing and voted that the wagon took off. but it's somehow all my fault

mac's still probably town though. in fact I think this makes him more likely town

I'm not sure what this post means. But if Mac was looking for people treating him like a chew-toy this is it. In fact this kinda reeks of "My partner lover-ised you please shut up."

[VOTE: cham] aubergine

NAI > Follow up of previous day despite the whole Aro card tower flipping town. No re-eval when they were wrong.

mac: thought aro was a wolf and loudly proclaimed it

mac today: it was all dya and alison

when i voted aro, nobody wanted to join me. It wasn't until other players saw how aro was playing and voted that the wagon took off. but it's somehow all my fault

mac's still probably town though. in fact I think this makes him more likely town

I sense your attempt to influence a negative perception towards me and I am sorry I made you feel so much hate towards me that you would do this. I have nil but love for you in my heart and your hurt makes me feel sorrow. I wish you all the very best.

you must have missed the part where I called you town

I just find your process very level 0

Eh.

porscha feels like she's playing up the I dont want to read thing

FINALLY starting to sus Porscha. Notably this was after several people had opened the day by quoting Aro's legacy which said "KILL PORSCHA FIRST" and voted Porscha.

Friends this is a game of social deduction and deception. It is difficult to play it when people don't communicate. Go ahead and ask my perspective. My response will be as warm as a morning ray of sunshine and brighten your day.

Top townreads?

At this very second my mind is flux on the alignment of all.

I am more transfixed upon reasons to distrust than to trust for reasons beyond my control.

So I suppose my current behaviour is as much a self control mechanism as anything.

I think Belzy, Lilypetal, Nanook, Ender, Santygrass would be players I'd have more significant reasons to townread if pressed.

why?

I'll be generous and say NAI.

Friends this is a game of social deduction and deception. It is difficult to play it when people don't communicate. Go ahead and ask my perspective. My response will be as warm as a morning ray of sunshine and brighten your day.

Top townreads?

At this very second my mind is flux on the alignment of all.

I am more transfixed upon reasons to distrust than to trust for reasons beyond my control.

So I suppose my current behaviour is as much a self control mechanism as anything.

I think Belzy, Lilypetal, Nanook, Ender, Santygrass would be players I'd have more significant reasons to townread if pressed.

why?

Do you have disagreement on anyone in particular?

I think vocalising the reasons why I read certain people certain ways often holds limited value as the way I think tends to invite needless rebuke at times. But if we have a point of disagreement, or you need to see the reasons in order to qualify whether I am not simply making things up, I can permit it.

nanook, belzy are both not townreads of mine. I wouldnt go as far to call them wolf reads but I haven't been impressed so far

This is a hilarious post if both are wolves. But NAI'ish

I think Nanook is town by virtue of Alison who is scumreading, townreading him to a degree. Or moreover not suspecting him. I think beyond that Nanook has not done anything outside of what I expect town Nanook to do and his day 1 play felt like someone who was not mindful of controlling the perception others have towards them.

Belzy is the player without information. At all times when they post they spew themselves without tmi.

say the first sentence in a different way, please. Im having trouble parsing what you mean

NAI.

seanzie why did you do a 180 on millium yesterday? was it just for reactions?

seanzie why did you do a 180 on millium yesterday? was it just for reactions?

@Seanzie

NAI.

did Seanzie 180 on me? I remember they had me as a town lean

they voted you at one point

NAI. Focus on Seanzie still.

seanzie why did you do a 180 on millium yesterday? was it just for reactions?

@Seanzie

No. Have you read everything? (it's okay if you haven't, just curious/trying to put your question in perspective)

i have but I might not be remembering something related to this. I just remember you calling out alison

NAI.

@dyachei assuming that you are town that pushed Arogame. How would you expect the wolves to handle the opportunity that was presented to eliminate Arogame on day 1 generally? Do you think that they are more likely to exhibit TMI and ensure they are on the right side of the miselim by voting elsewhere and opposing the chop, or do you think that it is more likely that they would capitalise on our willingness to kill someone that strong on day 1 and be part of the wagon?

If the answer is player dependent, can you take a look at the wagon and tell me who on it is of the wolf mindset to take advantage in that way?

I dont think of arogame as a mafia god so I'm not sure why I would assume mafia would go all out to elim aro. like I don't think of them as a super strong player. so the premise is off?

This is fair response.

mac if that were the case why wouldnt you be a prime suspect? you made a lot of noise about not wanting to come off the wagon you were on and then switched to aro anyway

NAI.

@dyachei

what i answered you already

NAI.

mac if that were the case why wouldnt you be a prime suspect? you made a lot of noise about not wanting to come off the wagon you were on and then switched to aro anyway

I plausibly should be a prime suspect if you were to only analyse my play for that reason. I think the sum of the rest of my play evidences that I was nothing more than a town that made a poor decision though.

Could you please attempt to humour my question and provide a substantive answer?

tell me who was on the wagon at EOd because i dont want to go searching for the info

NAI.

Day 1 votecount

Arogame (9): Lily, Seanzie, Alison, Dya, SPF, Santy, Neon, Mac, Tigarial
Millium (5): Cham, Porscha, Belzy, Arogame, Millium
Cham (2): Rondo, Ender
Alison (1): Nanook
Porscha (1): Ilario

I think seanzie, alison, neon, and tilg are most suspicious. I think tilg maybe less than the others because the pile on at that point would probably be something mafia would avoid. Seanzie's actions all game have really confused me but I think he's probably played more games with aro on TS where aro is apparently revered.

alison is good at pushing her agenda when she has one.

No note about Chamo.

Has anyone have a confident read on Rondo?

I dont feel like studying so Im going to procastinate and try to develop some reads

idk how to read rondo in like any game ever

Fair enough this way.

mac are you gonna respond? im about to log off for the night

Directly interacting heavily with Mac.

Day 1 votecount

Arogame (9): Lily, Seanzie, Alison, Dya, SPF, Santy, Neon, Mac, Tigarial
Millium (5): Cham, Porscha, Belzy, Arogame, Millium
Cham (2): Rondo, Ender
Alison (1): Nanook
Porscha (1): Ilario

I think seanzie, alison, neon, and tilg are most suspicious. I think tilg maybe less than the others because the pile on at that point would probably be something mafia would avoid. Seanzie's actions all game have really confused me but I think he's probably played more games with aro on TS where aro is apparently revered.

alison is good at pushing her agenda when she has one.

What actions are those? Since you mention my actions with respect to Aro, I am wholeheartedly confused, so please explain.

I think the way you're approaching the game in general is less natural than what you normally do. I think you're trying to force solves when you don't normally

Still focused on Seanzie.

and if tilg is mafia then u always re-eval sean

re-eval how?

STill focused on Seanzie.

Day 1 votecount

Arogame (9): Lily, Seanzie, Alison, Dya, SPF, Santy, Neon, Mac, Tigarial
Millium (5): Cham, Porscha, Belzy, Arogame, Millium
Cham (2): Rondo, Ender
Alison (1): Nanook
Porscha (1): Ilario

I think seanzie, alison, neon, and tilg are most suspicious. I think tilg maybe less than the others because the pile on at that point would probably be something mafia would avoid. Seanzie's actions all game have really confused me but I think he's probably played more games with aro on TS where aro is apparently revered.

alison is good at pushing her agenda when she has one.

What actions are those? Since you mention my actions with respect to Aro, I am wholeheartedly confused, so please explain.

I think the way you're approaching the game in general is less natural than what you normally do. I think you're trying to force solves when you don't normally

What does this have to do with Aro's reputation on TS?

you asked about actions. That was a separate point to the pushing of the agenda if you read my post again

I think your actions on voting aro were kind of...trying to seem like you wanted something else but you didnt really

STILL focused on Seanzie.

i really feel seanzie isn't hitting his town notes. there was 1 point where he was arguing with me where i thought he might start but it's gone back to shit

STILL FOCUSED ON SEANZIE.

ilario do you get what im saying? Im having a hard time expressing what i mean but I think you might be on a similar page

Eh hm.

ilario do you get what im saying? Im having a hard time expressing what i mean but I think you might be on a similar page

ill be honest ive only been able to read the posts people have @ me with since i cant really concentrate rn, but i do think ur a villa and will spend time going over ur cases when i have more time

is there anyone else u feel strongly on besides sean btw?

still think cham is a wolf

Good to see that this focus hasn't gone anywhere.

I think seanzie, alison, neon, and tilg are most suspicious. I think tilg maybe less than the others because the pile on at that point would probably be something mafia would avoid. Seanzie's actions all game have really confused me but I think he's probably played more games with aro on TS where aro is apparently revered.

alison is good at pushing her agenda when she has one.

What actions are those? Since you mention my actions with respect to Aro, I am wholeheartedly confused, so please explain.

I think the way you're approaching the game in general is less natural than what you normally do. I think you're trying to force solves when you don't normally

What does this have to do with Aro's reputation on TS?

you asked about actions. That was a separate point to the pushing of the agenda if you read my post again

I think your actions on voting aro were kind of...trying to seem like you wanted something else but you didnt really

I asked about actions and very clearly specified I was curious you mentioning my actions with respect to Aro.

Walk me through my vote on Aro. What was going on and why might I have voted them when I did?

i dont remember your vote on aro in that much detail. Like why would i?

NAI.

@dyachei @Chamomile @Alison @EnderWiggin

Name me your 3 most ride or die town please.

ilario, you, and Idk maybe santy?

Interesting list.

I am thinking of a PoE of probs...

1 in Dyachei / Seanzie
Porscha
Belzy
Rondo
Nanook

I think I am leaving wolves out of here, but its most likely to have a highest wolf to town ratio, if it makes any sense

this is like all lhf and me/sean

LHF but also they made a comment sussing Porscha. Interesting that they don't seem inclined to push it.

I think the way you're approaching the game in general is less natural than what you normally do. I think you're trying to force solves when you don't normally

What does this have to do with Aro's reputation on TS?

you asked about actions. That was a separate point to the pushing of the agenda if you read my post again

I think your actions on voting aro were kind of...trying to seem like you wanted something else but you didnt really

I asked about actions and very clearly specified I was curious you mentioning my actions with respect to Aro.

Walk me through my vote on Aro. What was going on and why might I have voted them when I did?

i dont remember your vote on aro in that much detail. Like why would i?

Dya: "Seanzie's actions all game have really confused me but I think he's probably played more games with aro on TS where aro is apparently revered."

You tell me. How does this sentence make an sense if you aren't somehow considering my actions with respect to Aro? Was it just shade then, to throw in the sentence about Aro's reputation (ftr I've only played one game with Aro, so I don't actually know them as a player well)?

they're 2 thoughts in 1 sentence. I probably worded it poorly. your actions all game have confused me. You have also likely played more games with aro on TS than me. Therefore you'd think he was a bigger threat than i would think he was

Eh.

Idk what this aro is revered narrative is all about. I have not gotten that vibe. To me he is a good player but not a mafia god.

ask mac

NAI.

Sean I've you get that Mac asked me who I would be most suspicious of on the aro wagon, right? That's where aro comes into this. He asked me to assume aro was a revered player and who would try to get him killed in that instance

Here we are back at exclusively reading the game through interacting with Seanzie.

Alison is lean town with reservations Mac.

Notable thrown read here.

@ilario

read seanzie for me please

things that have stood out to me today:

Seanzie is normally a very aware player. He reads the thread and comes up with good reads as a result. But today when mac was asking me to assume aro was a revered mafia player and to solve his wagon based on that, seanzie missed the very premise and only focused on his name.

STILL FOCUSED ON SEANZIE.

I would normally tr seven for that post but I also think he’s started to pick up on the things I tr him for as was evidenced in the last game he wolfed against me where he hit some notes that I would expect town seven to hit. That being said seven still feels more like a villa than not to me atm. This is pending me reading what dya has to say about seven.

you're not gonna like my answer but it's feels based

Eh.

it looks like everyone is w reading me today, so please make sure to not let off of seanzie when I flip

Focused on Seanzie.

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

And a vote.

mac, i am treating you like I think you're town but i think you're wrong town. Especially since your biggest w read right now is me. im sorry you cant see it. I dont hold it against you

Mac, what was that about people coddling you?

i think lily needs to go off a claim or something ilario

Hm? Curious.

my role kind of sucks, so it's not a great loss if i die

Hm.

i think lily needs to go off a claim or something ilario

ahhh ok thanks. so that means porcha claimed something already?

i think she did but I dont remember details

on another note my ideal wagons today would probably be porscha and seanzie. I think porscha's solving today leaves a lot to be desired

SECOND mention of it in the day phase.

At this point they've been very focused on other things. Chamo is not mentioned at all. Now that Dya is under the gun the push on Porscha finally appears.

i think lily needs to go off a claim or something ilario

You check in and catch up before without posting?

yes but I skimmed since im at work and not sure how much time I have. iread some sort of claim, maybe it was neon and not porscha

NAI.

i think lily needs to go off a claim or something ilario

ahhh ok thanks. so that means porcha claimed something already?

i think she did but I dont remember details

on another note my ideal wagons today would probably be porscha and seanzie. I think porscha's solving today leaves a lot to be desired

I would say calling it solving is giving it too much credit.

that's kind of my point

Now adding pressure to the Porscha read.

alison fits in a porscha/seanzie world

Alison read flips to scumread.

i think lily needs to go off a claim or something ilario

You check in and catch up before without posting?

yes but I skimmed since im at work and not sure how much time I have. iread some sort of claim, maybe it was neon and not porscha

Neon and Lily have both claimed mechanical abilities that may be able to solve slots.

Lily says they can solve Porscha and only Porscha.

Neon says they may be able to resolve you/Seanzie.

Alison can self resolve if ppl don't vote her (so she says).

Tilgarial is outed fmpov.

Gotta say that's a lot of woofs I "shouldn't" vote for lol.

I guess the correct thing to do is kill outside all of these so I guess like Cham?

I think alison is just stalling. i'd probably prefer to vote her to cham atp. I think she fits better with seanzie wolf and I really think he's a wolf

Flip over and Chamo now no longer on the block. Note that Dya has thought Seanzie wolf a lot.

ilario please tag me when you do read seanzie

Im honestly beginning to feel like I did in s7 finale where I have good reasons to scum read the guy and others are just glossing over it

Note again how Porscha sus falls by the wayside. It's never the focus. Always something more important.

You know what's funny about Seanzie's iso is that it's like 50% randomly asking me questions with no follow up. It's like I'm the only person in this game he's reading.

he only follows up when his name is mentioned

More Seanzie focus.

cham/seanzie/porscha/alison +3p?

Porscha mentioned but outside one snipe about their solving still no legit push.

see? even seanzie doesn't think he's been his usual self in the games. so why is alison v reading him so strongly

More push on Seanzie.

im not ignoring you neon i just dunno how to read you

NAI.

I don't think we should use the not being able to vote tilg thing to say tilg is mafia. I think if you have an independent read there, fine, but not being able to vote there is not necessarily because tilg's a wolf

Defending the unvotable.

why do people who think cham is town think he's town?

More pushing.

if I cant vote porscha, and no one will vote seanzie with me, then cham is my next option. Idk why more people arent really talking about him

Note how Dya took the "We can't vote Porscha!" thing from Lily.

I'll recant on Cham if Rondo is mafia

do...do you know how to read rondo?

Lmao NAI.

3 hours I think

NAI.

[VOTE: cham] aubergine

Back to voting Chamo.

Never voted Porscha even before Lily's Mech thing.

tilg I'll be honest I'm undecided on what you are. but I think pushing you for the not being to vote mechanic is bad

Kinda pocketing Tilg.

tilg I'll be honest I'm undecided on what you are. but I think pushing you for the not being to vote mechanic is bad

anything I did that makes you lean either way?
maybe something specific that makes it hard for you?

I think you're playing in a way that's harder to take fault with or call good solving. feels very middle of the road and I dont have meta with you to look at

what do you think of your play this game?

NAI.

So I wrote this with the viewpoint that it would be read after I flip green when I thought EOD was in 2 hours and I was locked in as the exe. If you currently don't believe I'll flip green then that's fine, you can save this for if/when I get voted off and read it then. Or treat it as a hypothetical. Up to you.

I have an extremely good track record at obtaining multiple pelts when I am voted off because I am good at identifying the people on my wagon who are there for genuine reasons and the people who are mafia. So you should sheep me. If you don't sheep me then I'm not responsible for the consequences.

The people on my wagon are as follows: EnderWiggin, Chamomile, santygrass, Neon, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

It is absolutely guaranteed that there are 2+ mafia on this list. I am a claimed PR and the arguments against me are bad but the players voting me aren't trolls which means that there is malicious intent here.

Santygrass is almost certainly one of them as he is the architect of most of the bad arguments and has been attacking me in bad faith for the entire game. I have too much respect for his play to consider the possibility that he might be wrong town and he wasn't even this bad in Spiritfarer so I have no choice but to deduce that he is pretending to be Spiritfarer Santy in order to justify his openwolfing.

EnderWiggin has done absolutely nothing that is townie but Aro shielded him so I guess he can live for a while more. But he has a pretty bad track record reads wise so I'd say he's on thin ice and should be made to do townie things.

Chamomile is playing exactly as I would expect a 3P to play. Assuming they are not 3P my first instinct would be that they are town and not mafia because of the lack of self preservation instinct along with the fact that they are setting up to park on me and do nothing but haven't done so. I don't really understand what their agenda is if they are mafia which suggests they don't have a mafia agenda.

I'll sheep Illario on Neon and say she is mafia especially since she has weird mech question marks surrounding her.

Nanook is an interesting case. Overall I think he has actually been playing like town Nanook but it hasn't escaped my notice that he is playing in a very scum sided way (roleblocking me D1 and vote parking me D2 with no explanation given). There are reasons and justifications and it's why I haven't gone after him harder. My honest suggestion is to pick off the obvious mafia (outlined above) first and then policy Nanook for scumsiding if he's still alive after that. If he has a way to clear himself he would have used it by then. Or be killed for it.

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Next we will examine the rest of the game. Tilgarial and Porscha are top suspects for reasons I have already explained. Lilypetal and Macdougall have both been playing obscenely closely to their town meta and are either snowing me or just town. I will presume the latter since I have seen no evidence they are snowing me. Macdougall is shielding Belzy so let's assume he's right about her.

Illario is perhaps the most likely to be actually snowing me but I find it hard to disagree with his reads and solve. That is to say either he is town or I am inting. If you follow this legacy and it becomes clear that I am not inting then you can probably give Illario the thumbs up until endgame. dyachei has been playing in a mostly unobjectionable way. I actually think there is a chance they are wolf skating by but the correct way to deal with this possibility is simply to catch their teammates and follow the trail back to them. This averts the possibility that they are simply town because it is very unlikely that they will be a prime target for being falsely spewed as mafia partners with a wolf. So if you find the trail you know it's real, if you don't then you can let it rest for a bit. Let's hope that dyachei's partners aren't good at anti spew if they are maf.

Rondo and Millium are two players that I policy every game so perhaps someone who is not me will have a more objective eye on what to do with them. I'll be lazy and make them someone else's problem to sort.

Seanzie is obscenely town. I am just going to take him as lock town, if he is town then I am right. If he is wolf then I don't mind getting snowed and will update my read on him in the future to avoid it happening again. Let's see how that goes.

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I am pretty confident that following this blueprint will take you at least 80-90% of the way to winning the game if not 100% of the way. I am content if I die today because I believe that enough mafia will have outed themselves in order to push my death that we can win the game off that. The important thing is to not let them go because they have good tone or whatever nonsense and to simply hold the people who wrongfully killed me accountable. Town cannot lose if we play in a manner to maximize accountability and good order.

the read on me feels like a copout and I expect better from you

This is Dya's reaction every time.

Alison what's your legacy?

she had a post earlier with that I think

NAI.

idk i think this franticness I'm seeing from mac is more his town game even if I don't agree with him about what makes you suspicious, alison

if you flip green, i'll consider santy

Pocketing Mac.

I still think porscha is lowkey outed tbh

do you think it's worth voting her when we could have mech tomorrow?

Preventing push going towards Porscha.

idk i think this franticness I'm seeing from mac is more his town game even if I don't agree with him about what makes you suspicious, alison

if you flip green, i'll consider santy

what don't you agree with?

the things you're pulling out to call alison lock scum seem reachy and frantic. not well thought out

alison might be a wolf, but i think it's more for her claim

Undermining Mac's reads constantly while calling him town.

I still think porscha is lowkey outed tbh

do you think it's worth voting her when we could have mech tomorrow?

Whats the potential mech on her?

someone has claimed they can solve her overnight with mech

I feel like Dya never questioned this and pushed it hard. But I went along with it too so I'll give it NAI.

And yeah fine I guess leaving her is fine enough probably, id prefer just to kill her and have whomever direct that mech somewhere else but

I don't think Porscha is the most ideal cop target in the game so I'm assuming that Lily has restrictions on who she can use her power on (especially since she doesn't have a N1 result).

lily has said in thread there are restrictions and she's limited to porscha

NAI.

mac the AtE from you this game is disgusting. I disagree with your reads, that doesn't mean I'm treating you like a moron. How about instead of mocking me, you play the game?

Once again undermining Mac.

mac the AtE from you this game is disgusting.

citation needed

telling me that I'm treating you like a moron is AtE and I'm not impressed

done talking to you now

Again.

i told alison I would look into santy as mafia more if she flips villa. She's not lying about it

Santy is conveniently a trail that can be followed that's not Porscha.

calling your offense on alison reachy and frantic is not an insult, it's not treating you like a moron, it's making a read.

then you tried to make me feel guilty off of it. That's the definition of AtE.

Eh I'm not making a comment here this is into ATE territory.

gonna repeat, mac is in his town meta. I think he's just wrong on his reads this game

Broken watch going again.

I have determined that further conversation is likely to be unproductive so I'm going to go watch a movie and wait for other people to come in that I can talk to that aren't the person I am hard pushing, Macdougall, or Wisp.

Any recommendations? I'm watching this with someone I'm close to and he's really into Disney. We have Netflix.

dragon prince is fun

I agree.

wait, why is belzy mafia here?

I've seen this reaction about Porscha before......

The longer this goes on the less likely that the town that are not following closely will really understand what's happening but to summarise for those who are only loosely paying attention or engaged in your own heated dialogue.

Alison made a legacy post. In it Alison claimed that Santy was pursuing her all game with bad faith arguments.

Unequivocal facts can show that Santy had townread Alison the entirety of day 1 and then significantly into day 2. So Alison was incorrect.

When I pointed that out, Alison pursued a line of defense that was a series of misrepresentations, trying to modify the crux of my issue with Alison to improve Alison's ability to reason. For example by saying I was townreading Santygrass for trying to kill town etc and by trying to imply that the idea of townreading a town who is egregiously wrong is weird for me (or anyone). I refuted this by pointing out that Alison is not pursuing Dyachei with any vigour despite Dyachei being the primary exponent of the Arogame wagon on day 1. I also pointed out that between Dya and Santy if either of them were to be scumread for pushing town it would make more sense for Dya to be as Dya has better reads accuracy than Santy and Santy has a history of hard pushing onto town. This was stepped around.

Alison then made a comment that only the wolves and honorary wolves didn't think Santy's case was illogical and bad. When asked to name people Alison named Nanook, Dya and Lily.

Neither Nanook or Dya were able to verify that they ever said this, though both did attempt to defend Alison.

I believe the above makes Alison near confirmed mafia.

I do not think it reflects well on Nanook and Dya either, but I doubt Alison buries them both this way in self defense. I think Dyachei is much more likely to be mafia than Nanook.

Consider the above my final comment on the previous events.

you expecting me to have super accurate reads on people I havent played many long games with is nice, but not reality

Undermining MAc.

my push on aro convinced no one to move their vote. it wasnt until aro started posting badly towards the end of day that people started to move. I had been there much earlier. I think it's disingenuous to say that I killed aro. There were multiple people pushing aro and I was probably listened to the least

This is just ehhhh. Hard pushed and is part of the reason other people reached Aro.

my push on aro convinced no one to move their vote. it wasnt until aro started posting badly towards the end of day that people started to move. I had been there much earlier. I think it's disingenuous to say that I killed aro. There were multiple people pushing aro and I was probably listened to the least

I think it's disingenuous to say that Santy killed Alison too tbh.

probably true. you're pushing her more than he is

Undermining Mac.

@dyachei that's fair. I am not actually saying that you should tbh. I am merely pointing out that if there is an argument between who is more likely to be mafia who brutally killed town between:

Dyachei who buried Arogame and in the process saved Porscha who appears to be outed wolf
or
Santygrass who buried Alison who has not even flipped yet and seems to be an outed wolf

I think you profile as more likely.

And yet Alison is making the argument that Santy is more guilty for "ruthlessly killing townies" than you are.

He is, dya never pushed aro as hard as Santy pushed me, dya's reasons were much less BS. I would say I killed aro more than dya did, and if you wanna scumread me off that I'm fine with it.

Santy only started casing you after being persuaded to reevaluate by others. You are giving dyachei benefit of the doubt you aren't applying to Santy.

You still have yet to actually argue against any of the specific points that he made. You are just playing the whole series of posts off like they're moronic and the whole world should agree when realistically everyone in the game either actually agrees with Santy or never actually read his posts.

so why does that make us partners instead of alison trying to pocket me?

Eh.

Alisons's legacy summarised - Since Alison is off to watch a movie we can have a chat about this without running the risk of being accused of misunderstanding her meta or whatever lol.

Santygrass is mafia because "he is the architect of most of the bad arguments and has been attacking me in bad faith for the entire game". Alison has too much respect for Santy to let him get away with it.

EnderWiggin has done absolutely nothing that is townie but Aro shielded him so I guess he can live for a while more. But he has a pretty bad track record reads wise so I'd say he's on thin ice and should be made to do townie things.

Chamomile is playing exactly as I would expect a 3P to play. Because they are playing weird without self pres instinct which isn't scummy so must be 3p.

I'll sheep Illario on Neon and say she is mafia especially since she has weird mech question marks surrounding her.

Nanook has been playing in a very scum sided way. But it's justified and so pick off obvious mafia (Neon, Santy etc.) before you resolve this.

Rest of solve

Tilg/Porscha top sus - Doesn't elaborate just says reasons already explained

Mac/Lily top town - playing obscenely close to our town meta. I'm shielding Belzy so Belzy must be town.

Illario is maybe snowing but is probably just town because his reads and solves are great. dyachei has been townie because agreeable but "chance they are wolf skating by but the correct way to deal with this possibility is simply to catch their teammates" - Same way they asked us to handle Nanook.

Offers no read on Millium or Rondo cuz Alison thinks they are policy or whatever.

Seanzie is obscenely town.

she updated her reads from this though

NAI.

ilario are you gonna try to catch up?

i feel like im going crazy and you're my top town

Hm.

I’m ngl if lily comes in tomorrow with a green on porcha I might just vote out lily if I’m still alive… because if porcha is v then what in the world is this game rn

lily wanted us to vote porscha if she didnt show up in 1.5 hrs....about that long ago i think?

Hm.

How many mafs in a game this size?

! Monkey d Luffy can’t swim in one piece

prob 4 maf +1 3p

NAI.

Hey Mac if I am a wolf I must have partners right? Why don't you go talk about those? Everyone and their mother has heard your case on me already.

he's talked about how I'm partnered with you a lot today

NAI.

stop pinging me

NAI.

stop pinging me

read my post

!

who says i didn't. i read all the posts. you dont need to ping me unless you're expecting a response

it makes me cranky

NAI.

[VOTE: porscha] aubergine

Finally votes Porscha when it looks like the "Mech" defense isn't going to do anything.

idk what executioner does and Im too tired to care rn

NAI.

i do kind of think porscha might be in antispew because her role is good and i am playing into her hand a bit

but idk

yes or no
do you have mechanical info that 100% makes Betzy a wolf because of their claim?
I think Porscha just isn't posting, why does it have to be anti-spew, anti-spew themselves by posting, is that what u mean?
Confused why ur making this assumption

doesnt porscha have a volume tell?

First time they mentioned this.

idk what executioner does and Im too tired to care rn

Executioner is given a person at the beginning of the game that they have to eliminate. What are your thoughts on Alison's thought process given that?

!

i think it's a stretch for sure

NAI.

Illario's recent posts are very suss to me. I think there are 3-4 wolves in Alison, Ilario, Nook, and Wisp.

I’m ngl if lily comes in tomorrow with a green on porcha I might just vote out lily if I’m still alive… because if porcha is v then what in the world is this game rn

This post is super scummy.

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i really don't agree

i think porscha fits into most wolf worlds

Really now? Then why was it so hard to get you to push there?

Ilario hard red from that post honestly.

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why are people v reading this guy?

Back to pushing Chamo.

Ilario hard red from that post honestly.

!

why are people v reading this guy?

fwiw i dont think his take on me is scummy for him

it's a terrible take

NAI.

how do you know your wolf reads are accurate cham? I haven't seen any of those players flip

Eh.

how do you know your wolf reads are accurate cham? I haven't seen any of those players flip

Well there's a simple way to fix that now ain't there!

porscha more likely to flip wolf lets flip her first

I'm noticing this now because the defense is gone, Porscha suddenly is a priority to flip. Gain cred because Porscha's dead anyway.

how do you know your wolf reads are accurate cham? I haven't seen any of those players flip

Well there's a simple way to fix that now ain't there!

porscha more likely to flip wolf lets flip her first

porsha's gonna be solved through mech so that's objectively a bad play. scum pushing hard for porsha ever since Alison became a wagon (see Ilario's post trying to dissuade lily fro relying on mech to solve porsha)

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the person with mech said to vote her if she didnt post in 1.5 hrs nd its been past that time but thanks for playing

Lol.

i'd prefer to vote out a wolf today, idk about you guys

Blatantly grabbing Cred here.

I agree with Seven.
Porscha as a wolf would likely be always outed even if they arent the yeet today. W!Porscha isn even posting rn.

I think any team would see as the better yeet now if Porscha/Alison is w/w f.e.

what if alison is town?

TMIing Alison town and directly undermining other town.

I agree with Seven.
Porscha as a wolf would likely be always outed even if they arent the yeet today. W!Porscha isn even posting rn.

I think any team would see as the better yeet now if Porscha/Alison is w/w f.e.

what if alison is town?

They arent.

If they flip green totally murderize me

no, i want to hear your solve if you're wrong town

This is probably the towniest part of this stretch.

I agree with Seven.
Porscha as a wolf would likely be always outed even if they arent the yeet today. W!Porscha isn even posting rn.

I think any team would see as the better yeet now if Porscha/Alison is w/w f.e.

what if alison is town?

Read the post I pinged you in, please?

if not for me then for one piece!

quote it for me

Eh.

I agree with Seven.
Porscha as a wolf would likely be always outed even if they arent the yeet today. W!Porscha isn even posting rn.

I think any team would see as the better yeet now if Porscha/Alison is w/w f.e.

what if alison is town?

They arent.

If they flip green totally murderize me

no, i want to hear your solve if you're wrong town

ew

You know, I've thought that about some of your posts today

Whats wrong with wanting santy's thoughts on the solve if alison flips v?

It's part of how I'm trying to solve him

Eh.

Alison's Made Up Logic for Why I am Town Summarized

Alison thinks I am 3P. Alison doesn't think I am mafia.
I came into today hard on Alison. I was hard on Ender yesterday.
Alison thinks specifically I am an executioner.
I sheep Illario on the Rodo vote thinking day ended today.
Alison thinks that Rodo is my execution target.
Alison thinks that execution target isn't mafia. Therefore if Rodo flips town, I am town.

I want everyone to read this!!! It. Is. Not. Real. If Alison really thought I was an executioner, she wouldn't think my target was for sure some rando player I sheep voted on. So strongly believe that, that if that person flipped town, her suspicion of me being executioner would dissolve. Especially because there are more viable targets of a cham!Executioner, say the people I've actually been going hard on to eliminate: Alison & Ender!

@MacDougall @ilario @EnderWiggin @dyachei @Tilgarial @Belzy

i already answered this!

NAI.

what if alison is town?

They arent.

If they flip green totally murderize me

no, i want to hear your solve if you're wrong town

ew

You know, I've thought that about some of your posts today

Whats wrong with wanting santy's thoughts on the solve if alison flips v?

It's part of how I'm trying to solve him

yeah you would dislike my posts today given you're blatantly a wolf with alison so that tracks

asking a tunneling town (rightly or wrongly) to theorycraft worlds outside their immediate purview the way that you just did is hilariously asinine... it's like asking an astronomer to argue that the earth is flat in the middle of them debating against a flat earther... it's disingenuous

just stop talking to me if you're gonna be like this. I can't believe alison said earlier you can take people disagreeing with oyu because I havent seen it this game

More undermining Mac.

im trying to read santy on something other than tunneling. god forbid. might as well vote me now

NAI sass.

no, i want to hear your solve if you're wrong town

ew

You know, I've thought that about some of your posts today

Whats wrong with wanting santy's thoughts on the solve if alison flips v?

It's part of how I'm trying to solve him

yeah you would dislike my posts today given you're blatantly a wolf with alison so that tracks

asking a tunneling town (rightly or wrongly) to theorycraft worlds outside their immediate purview the way that you just did is hilariously asinine... it's like asking an astronomer to argue that the earth is flat in the middle of them debating against a flat earther... it's disingenuous

just stop talking to me if you're gonna be like this. I can't believe alison said earlier you can take people disagreeing with oyu because I havent seen it this game

i have like, hardly pushed you all game cuz every time i even remotely do so you resort to posts like this

and then you accuse me of things you're guilty of

you're hilarious

you've been pushing me all day. liar

Undermining Mac.

and i complained that you were making me feel like you think im dumb and instead of apologising or showing base level empathy you accused me of ate

crazy times folks

gaslighting at its finest. good show

Undermining Mac.

Dya fwiw for Mac levels, he wasnt pushing you. Sometimes with Mac you have to be more forgiving and understand that the way they play the game is a more aggro one? Idk

just because he hasn't been tunneling me doesnt mean he hasnt been pushing me all day. I'm well aware how aggro he is I just wish he were hoenst with himself instead of blaming me because I'm honestly tired of the bullshit

Undermining Mac.

I've asked you repeatedly to stop talking to me but you persist.

AtE is also not calling you emotional. Please stop implying that's what I did. Ate means your appealing to my emotions

I find it offensive to be told that I've been issuing decrees expecting obedience here.

To be fair I don't think Dya has.

My reads areas they are in thread. Probably not coming back to the thread for at least 48 hrs

I'm gonna say NAI.

i still think mac is town. I just disagree with his reads.

Undermining Mac.

i think we're being lead astray here as we keep arguing over which low poster is more likely a wolf. I've got some discomfort about it so I'm just voicing it here

STarts to undermine the Porscha push.

ilario im kind of confused how I could realistically be in a world where mac is wolf. Like yeah mac may like that kind of theater but I do not and would not partake.

also like...you haven't really read a lot of my posts so these pronouncements seem strange to me

Eh.

low key kind of want to push santy more because he's the loudest voice trying to get Alison out and I don't think she's as wolfy as people are making her out to be. That's not really a defense of alison as I think she can act pretty towny as a wolf, but I have concerns about the push on her

"Starts defending a towny being pushed instead of dealing with Porscha. AGAIN."

How many wolves? 18/4=4.5?

probably 4 because we know we have at least 1 3p

NAI.

i dont really think that's a fair assessment but I'm biased. I think it's because ilario and I know you better than santy knows you

I wonder if this is pocketing ilario.

but the thing is alison, I don't have you as a strong town read or anything. I have you as maybe town but I'm concerned about your range

Hmmmmmmm.

ilario im kind of confused how I could realistically be in a world where mac is wolf. Like yeah mac may like that kind of theater but I do not and would not partake.

also like...you haven't really read a lot of my posts so these pronouncements seem strange to me

okay actually yeah maybe u wouldnt partake

hmmmm its just harder for me to imagine the conversation occuring earlier in a w!mac t!you world which is kinda why i assumed its theatre....idk i just really dont like macs handling of alison but i struggle to form teams around mac

i suppose mac can be a wolf with u as town...hmmm that makes it harder for me to build teams around though

really think he's town. And i think he's being paranoid of alison and trying to find reasons that fit that paranoia tbh

Dya seems intent on ensuring Mac is townread.

ilario could ender fit in that world?

Dya knows ilario keeps scumreading me, tries to tilt him that way.

ilario could ender fit in that world?

hmmm i suppose? i keep oscillating in my read on ender ngl

he just seems like a reasonable voice but I don;'t really see him doing a lot with it and it's making me nervous. idk maybe I'm just paranoid of him and I dont have a great track record reading him

"I'm not scumreading him, but YOU could scumread him."

probs not, whats the Q?

I cant remember them, there in my ISO though.

ah okay if u vote porcha eod ill find them and answer for u tmrw if im alive

Mate, I already wouldnt give you a reads list because you wouldnt answer my questions. What makes you think Ill let you control my vote before answering them? lol

true, well if u quote me ur questions ill answer them

Mate, that only incentivises you to ignore my questions in future games. No

...how?

he's literally asking you to repeat so he can answer them? I just don't understand this logic

People unsure how to deal with Rondo is NAI.

Anyone around right now. Who is someone you would never point the finger at right now and say they are a wolf? And then same question but instead who do you think the consensus is even if you disagree with it?

there's no one I would "never" say they are a wolf because I believe in re-evaluation but probably lilypetal because of her treatment of porscha, ilario and mac are also up there

i think the consensus is pointing to alison/belzy and I'm not sure either are wolves. Belzy in particular tends to do her own thing in the game I played with her and not match player expectations.

Soft defense of Belzy.

Uses Alison as a shield for that defense.

i think we're being lead astray here as we keep arguing over which low poster is more likely a wolf. I've got some discomfort about it so I'm just voicing it here

Porscha belzy and I are arguably the only low posters so im...not sure this really makes sense

it just feels like we're being lead down a path and I'm not sure it makes sense.

Undermining Porscha wagon is what they're doing. Yes.

i think we're being lead astray here as we keep arguing over which low poster is more likely a wolf. I've got some discomfort about it so I'm just voicing it here

Porscha belzy and I are arguably the only low posters so im...not sure this really makes sense

it just feels like we're being lead down a path and I'm not sure it makes sense.

Ok

What path and who is leading us?

santy, ender, mac, alison, ilario, and there's probably 1 other Im forgetting the name of right now

It's the path to thinking porscha and belzy are wolves together and i feel like they might be but there's more confidence about it than I would believe. There's also been a lot of pushing me into the the world's being built like I can't be a villager and I think i'm pretty firmly in my village meta, so it's kind of surprising from a few players that know me

Town. Me who is town. Probably town. Town. And Probably town?

i think voting belzy is a bad plan. i dont think she's outed at all

Anti-Belzy wagon.

@Lilypetal feel free not to tell me but if your action is a one shot or similar, wouldnt we be better off using it on someone not as outed as porscha

Hm.

Yeah, I think Belzy is outed.

What's ur reasoning for this?

Belzy knows how to handle such roles:

(Spoilered below is a quote from a DIFFERENT game)

Spoiler: show

If I drop dead, Tang is confirmed town. Otherwise, she will drop dead instead and flip as scum, and I will be confirmed town. Stay tuned.

so the fact that her ISO does not include a clear crumb for her N1 target makes the chances of her lying extremely high...

and we can add that to the fact that scum!Belzy likes to use fakeclaims to try to clear themselves:

https://www.mafiacafe.net/forum/standar ... #post19839

(Erika is Belzy, and she was scum that game)

So a super questionable lack of crumb along with Belzy meta makes this kind of a lock IMO.

this makes a lot more sense than some of the other things thrown around about belzy (most notably the miscommunication)

[VOTE: belzy] aubergine

THIS IS WHERE:

1. I remind you Seanzie is one of Dya's scumreads.

2. Dya was defending Belzy and now that there's strong proof of the fakeclaiming strat they reverse the read because they expect it to go badly for Belzy.

Also taking out Mac with Belzy seems fine.tm.

If that is the case why are u still voting Alison?

he's voting belzy that i see?

NAI.

I am pretty sure Mac is town and we are together voting for Millium, and Mac even have had a read list calling ilario scum too. Likey, likey.

this is also the only post where she calls mac town so...

ideal usage of the role is as a peek, not necessarily as a neighborhood. It's better to possibly clear someone who is in the POE or die to finding a wolf because a 1 to 1 exchange is always worth it to catch a wolf

Turning around on previous stance.

So today confirms i cannot combine mafia with my job/ personal life. Did Mac already said he was confused about something? He asked me to tell you myself, namely that I never changed my claim. I never said I had multi shots, only told him 1 shot.

That aside, sorries for the low activity. I appreciate the fact only Mac got green checked but I am not. I will continue playing but lowball, very lower ball than usual. As long I am in the game my reasons are personal. I will try catchup daily, but post very limited.

If Mac was mafia, you would have died?

Yes, Mac is town. That is garantee.

Everyone put the god damn tinfoil away ty

is it tinfoil to expect her to use her role for a peek or to at least crumb who she was gonna invite in case she died? idrts

Kinda weird how sharp that turn was.

i dont think belzy and alison are incompatible as partners though

Ooops, Porscha not there, just Alison.

@dyachei how likely in % you think that Alison is wolf? And % for Belzy?

i hate using percentages

I think alison is slightly villagery in some ways but I have really big concerns about her role claim. I dont think the things that some people are pushing her for are really all that AI. I'm not opposed to her being a wagon but I'd rather vote somewhere else

I think belzy is pretty likely to be a wolf. I think she should have crumbed her role at minimum and not doing so as a villager could potentially lose us a peek. If I am wrong on her, we get the added value of a lock clear villager

Very sharp.

END OF DAY 2.

Day 3 starts with Dya turning around on Santy and defending Belzy but I can't be assed quoting it all. Continues to defend Mac but call him wrong.

Day 2 and on

[ilario]

Wisp is obv town lol. Votes on him are very poor votes.

plus cham and aro feel good. if everyone is wrong then so be it

[MacDougall]

I will also kill millium btw I believe aro/millium have the highest chances of a wolf rn

Contextually, this post is now outing.

[ilario]

make how many players do you need to clear not named illario for us to win. im happy to help u townclear slots and u can keep me in the perma-poe which might actually be pro-town to do

Fucks me if Belzy is mafia not many. If Belzy is town... probably like, every town haha.

i wouldnt bother considering the game from a t!belzy pov. imma just peace out if they are

[EnderWiggin]

I could see Lily as wolf.

But I think Dya is just wolf.

[EnderWiggin]

Mac, Illario, join me on Dyachei for greater glory.

[EnderWiggin]

Rondo could be wolf too, idk.

[EnderWiggin]

I think 2 things are really important if my read is right:

1. Mac is town.

2. Belzy is mafia.

Because that makes sense of Dya's play around Mac D2 start and on.