dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:05 pm
mac: thought aro was a wolf and loudly proclaimed it
mac today: it was all dya and alison
when i voted aro, nobody wanted to join me. It wasn't until other players saw how aro was playing and voted that the wagon took off. but it's somehow all my fault
mac's still probably town though. in fact I think this makes him more likely town
I'm not sure what this post means. But if Mac was looking for people treating him like a chew-toy this is it. In fact this kinda reeks of "My partner lover-ised you please shut up."
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:05 pm
[VOTE:
cham] aubergine
NAI > Follow up of previous day despite the whole Aro card tower flipping town. No re-eval when they were wrong.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:13 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:05 pm
mac: thought aro was a wolf and loudly proclaimed it
mac today: it was all dya and alison
when i voted aro, nobody wanted to join me. It wasn't until other players saw how aro was playing and voted that the wagon took off. but it's somehow all my fault
mac's still probably town though. in fact I think this makes him more likely town
I sense your attempt to influence a negative perception towards me and I am sorry I made you feel so much hate towards me that you would do this. I have nil but love for you in my heart and your hurt makes me feel sorrow. I wish you all the very best.
you must have missed the part where I called you town
I just find your process very level 0
Eh.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:23 pm
porscha feels like she's playing up the I dont want to read thing
FINALLY starting to sus Porscha. Notably this was after several people had opened the day by quoting Aro's legacy which said "KILL PORSCHA FIRST" and voted Porscha.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:28 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:23 pm
Friends this is a game of social deduction and deception. It is difficult to play it when people don't communicate. Go ahead and ask my perspective. My response will be as warm as a morning ray of sunshine and brighten your day.
Top townreads?
At this very second my mind is flux on the alignment of all.
I am more transfixed upon reasons to distrust than to trust for reasons beyond my control.
So I suppose my current behaviour is as much a self control mechanism as anything.
I think Belzy, Lilypetal, Nanook, Ender, Santygrass would be players I'd have more significant reasons to townread if pressed.
why?
I'll be generous and say NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:34 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:28 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:23 pm
Friends this is a game of social deduction and deception. It is difficult to play it when people don't communicate. Go ahead and ask my perspective. My response will be as warm as a morning ray of sunshine and brighten your day.
Top townreads?
At this very second my mind is flux on the alignment of all.
I am more transfixed upon reasons to distrust than to trust for reasons beyond my control.
So I suppose my current behaviour is as much a self control mechanism as anything.
I think Belzy, Lilypetal, Nanook, Ender, Santygrass would be players I'd have more significant reasons to townread if pressed.
why?
Do you have disagreement on anyone in particular?
I think vocalising the reasons why I read certain people certain ways often holds limited value as the way I think tends to invite needless rebuke at times. But if we have a point of disagreement, or you need to see the reasons in order to qualify whether I am not simply making things up, I can permit it.
nanook, belzy are both not townreads of mine. I wouldnt go as far to call them wolf reads but I haven't been impressed so far
This is a hilarious post if both are wolves. But NAI'ish
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:38 pm
I think Nanook is town by virtue of Alison who is scumreading, townreading him to a degree. Or moreover not suspecting him. I think beyond that Nanook has not done anything outside of what I expect town Nanook to do and his day 1 play felt like someone who was not mindful of controlling the perception others have towards them.
Belzy is the player without information. At all times when they post they spew themselves without tmi.
say the first sentence in a different way, please. Im having trouble parsing what you mean
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:30 pm
seanzie why did you do a 180 on millium yesterday? was it just for reactions?
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:48 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:30 pm
seanzie why did you do a 180 on millium yesterday? was it just for reactions?
@Seanzie
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:50 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:48 pm
did Seanzie 180 on me? I remember they had me as a town lean
they voted you at one point
NAI. Focus on Seanzie still.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:55 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:54 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:48 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:30 pm
seanzie why did you do a 180 on millium yesterday? was it just for reactions?
@Seanzie
No. Have you read everything? (it's okay if you haven't, just curious/trying to put your question in perspective)
i have but I might not be remembering something related to this. I just remember you calling out alison
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:56 pm
@dyachei assuming that you are town that pushed Arogame. How would you expect the wolves to handle the opportunity that was presented to eliminate Arogame on day 1 generally? Do you think that they are more likely to exhibit TMI and ensure they are on the right side of the miselim by voting elsewhere and opposing the chop, or do you think that it is more likely that they would capitalise on our willingness to kill someone that strong on day 1 and be part of the wagon?
If the answer is player dependent, can you take a look at the wagon and tell me who on it is of the wolf mindset to take advantage in that way?
I dont think of arogame as a mafia god so I'm not sure why I would assume mafia would go all out to elim aro. like I don't think of them as a super strong player. so the premise is off?
This is fair response.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:08 pm
mac if that were the case why wouldnt you be a prime suspect? you made a lot of noise about not wanting to come off the wagon you were on and then switched to aro anyway
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:12 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:11 pm
@dyachei
what i answered you already
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:12 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:08 pm
mac if that were the case why wouldnt you be a prime suspect? you made a lot of noise about not wanting to come off the wagon you were on and then switched to aro anyway
I plausibly should be a prime suspect if you were to only analyse my play for that reason. I think the sum of the rest of my play evidences that I was nothing more than a town that made a poor decision though.
Could you please attempt to humour my question and provide a substantive answer?
tell me who was on the wagon at EOd because i dont want to go searching for the info
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:18 pm
Day 1 votecount
Arogame (9): Lily, Seanzie, Alison, Dya, SPF, Santy, Neon, Mac, Tigarial
Millium (5): Cham, Porscha, Belzy, Arogame, Millium
Cham (2): Rondo, Ender
Alison (1): Nanook
Porscha (1): Ilario
I think seanzie, alison, neon, and tilg are most suspicious. I think tilg maybe less than the others because the pile on at that point would probably be something mafia would avoid. Seanzie's actions all game have really confused me but I think he's probably played more games with aro on TS where aro is apparently revered.
alison is good at pushing her agenda when she has one.
No note about Chamo.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:20 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:19 pm
Has anyone have a confident read on Rondo?
I dont feel like studying so Im going to procastinate and try to develop some reads
idk how to read rondo in like any game ever
Fair enough this way.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:22 pm
mac are you gonna respond? im about to log off for the night
Directly interacting heavily with Mac.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:26 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:25 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:18 pm
Day 1 votecount
Arogame (9): Lily, Seanzie, Alison, Dya, SPF, Santy, Neon, Mac, Tigarial
Millium (5): Cham, Porscha, Belzy, Arogame, Millium
Cham (2): Rondo, Ender
Alison (1): Nanook
Porscha (1): Ilario
I think seanzie, alison, neon, and tilg are most suspicious. I think tilg maybe less than the others because the pile on at that point would probably be something mafia would avoid. Seanzie's actions all game have really confused me but I think he's probably played more games with aro on TS where aro is apparently revered.
alison is good at pushing her agenda when she has one.
What actions are those? Since you mention my actions with respect to Aro, I am wholeheartedly confused, so please explain.
I think the way you're approaching the game in general is less natural than what you normally do. I think you're trying to force solves when you don't normally
Still focused on Seanzie.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:28 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:27 pm
and if tilg is mafia then u always re-eval sean
re-eval how?
STill focused on Seanzie.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:32 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:31 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:26 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:25 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:18 pm
Day 1 votecount
Arogame (9): Lily, Seanzie, Alison, Dya, SPF, Santy, Neon, Mac, Tigarial
Millium (5): Cham, Porscha, Belzy, Arogame, Millium
Cham (2): Rondo, Ender
Alison (1): Nanook
Porscha (1): Ilario
I think seanzie, alison, neon, and tilg are most suspicious. I think tilg maybe less than the others because the pile on at that point would probably be something mafia would avoid. Seanzie's actions all game have really confused me but I think he's probably played more games with aro on TS where aro is apparently revered.
alison is good at pushing her agenda when she has one.
What actions are those? Since you mention my actions with respect to Aro, I am wholeheartedly confused, so please explain.
I think the way you're approaching the game in general is less natural than what you normally do. I think you're trying to force solves when you don't normally
What does this have to do with Aro's reputation on TS?
you asked about actions. That was a separate point to the pushing of the agenda if you read my post again
I think your actions on voting aro were kind of...trying to seem like you wanted something else but you didnt really
STILL focused on Seanzie.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:36 pm
i really feel seanzie isn't hitting his town notes. there was 1 point where he was arguing with me where i thought he might start but it's gone back to shit
STILL FOCUSED ON SEANZIE.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:37 pm
ilario do you get what im saying? Im having a hard time expressing what i mean but I think you might be on a similar page
Eh hm.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:42 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:39 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:37 pm
ilario do you get what im saying? Im having a hard time expressing what i mean but I think you might be on a similar page
ill be honest ive only been able to read the posts people have @ me with since i cant really concentrate rn, but i do think ur a villa and will spend time going over ur cases when i have more time
is there anyone else u feel strongly on besides sean btw?
still think cham is a wolf
Good to see that this focus hasn't gone anywhere.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:46 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:43 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:32 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:31 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:26 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:25 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:17 pm
I think seanzie, alison, neon, and tilg are most suspicious. I think tilg maybe less than the others because the pile on at that point would probably be something mafia would avoid. Seanzie's actions all game have really confused me but I think he's probably played more games with aro on TS where aro is apparently revered.
alison is good at pushing her agenda when she has one.
What actions are those? Since you mention my actions with respect to Aro, I am wholeheartedly confused, so please explain.
I think the way you're approaching the game in general is less natural than what you normally do. I think you're trying to force solves when you don't normally
What does this have to do with Aro's reputation on TS?
you asked about actions. That was a separate point to the pushing of the agenda if you read my post again
I think your actions on voting aro were kind of...trying to seem like you wanted something else but you didnt really
I asked about actions and very clearly specified I was curious you mentioning my actions with respect to Aro.
Walk me through my vote on Aro. What was going on and why might I have voted them when I did?
i dont remember your vote on aro in that much detail. Like why would i?
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:45 pm
@dyachei @Chamomile @Alison @EnderWiggin
Name me your 3 most ride or die town please.
ilario, you, and Idk maybe santy?
Interesting list.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:47 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:46 pm
I am thinking of a PoE of probs...
1 in Dyachei / Seanzie
Porscha
Belzy
Rondo
Nanook
I think I am leaving wolves out of here, but its most likely to have a highest wolf to town ratio, if it makes any sense
this is like all lhf and me/sean
LHF but also they made a comment sussing Porscha. Interesting that they don't seem inclined to push it.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:53 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:52 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:46 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:43 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:32 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:31 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:26 pm
I think the way you're approaching the game in general is less natural than what you normally do. I think you're trying to force solves when you don't normally
What does this have to do with Aro's reputation on TS?
you asked about actions. That was a separate point to the pushing of the agenda if you read my post again
I think your actions on voting aro were kind of...trying to seem like you wanted something else but you didnt really
I asked about actions and very clearly specified I was curious you mentioning my actions with respect to Aro.
Walk me through my vote on Aro. What was going on and why might I have voted them when I did?
i dont remember your vote on aro in that much detail. Like why would i?
Dya: "Seanzie's actions all game have really confused me but I think he's probably played more games with aro on TS where aro is apparently revered."
You tell me. How does this sentence make an sense if you aren't somehow considering my actions with respect to Aro? Was it just shade then, to throw in the sentence about Aro's reputation (ftr I've only played one game with Aro, so I don't actually know them as a player well)?
they're 2 thoughts in 1 sentence. I probably worded it poorly. your actions all game have confused me. You have also likely played more games with aro on TS than me. Therefore you'd think he was a bigger threat than i would think he was
Eh.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:53 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:53 pm
Idk what this aro is revered narrative is all about. I have not gotten that vibe. To me he is a good player but not a mafia god.
ask mac
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:05 pm
Sean I've you get that Mac asked me who I would be most suspicious of on the aro wagon, right? That's where aro comes into this. He asked me to assume aro was a revered player and who would try to get him killed in that instance
Here we are back at exclusively reading the game through interacting with Seanzie.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:05 pm
Alison is lean town with reservations Mac.
Notable thrown read here.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:17 am
@ilario
read seanzie for me please
things that have stood out to me today:
Seanzie is normally a very aware player. He reads the thread and comes up with good reads as a result. But today when mac was asking me to assume aro was a revered mafia player and to solve his wagon based on that, seanzie missed the very premise and only focused on his name.
STILL FOCUSED ON SEANZIE.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:17 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:02 am
I would normally tr seven for that post but I also think he’s started to pick up on the things I tr him for as was evidenced in the last game he wolfed against me where he hit some notes that I would expect town seven to hit. That being said seven still feels more like a villa than not to me atm. This is pending me reading what dya has to say about seven.
you're not gonna like my answer but it's feels based
Eh.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:18 am
it looks like everyone is w reading me today, so please make sure to not let off of seanzie when I flip
Focused on Seanzie.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:19 am
[VOTE:
seanzie] aubergine
And a vote.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:20 am
mac, i am treating you like I think you're town but i think you're wrong town. Especially since your biggest w read right now is me. im sorry you cant see it. I dont hold it against you
Mac, what was that about people coddling you?
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:21 am
i think lily needs to go off a claim or something ilario
Hm? Curious.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:22 am
my role kind of sucks, so it's not a great loss if i die
Hm.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:24 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:22 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:21 am
i think lily needs to go off a claim or something ilario
ahhh ok thanks. so that means porcha claimed something already?
i think she did but I dont remember details
on another note my ideal wagons today would probably be porscha and seanzie. I think porscha's solving today leaves a lot to be desired
SECOND mention of it in the day phase.
At this point they've been very focused on other things. Chamo is not mentioned at all. Now that Dya is under the gun the push on Porscha finally appears.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:26 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:24 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:21 am
i think lily needs to go off a claim or something ilario
You check in and catch up before without posting?
yes but I skimmed since im at work and not sure how much time I have. iread some sort of claim, maybe it was neon and not porscha
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:26 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:25 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:24 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:22 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:21 am
i think lily needs to go off a claim or something ilario
ahhh ok thanks. so that means porcha claimed something already?
i think she did but I dont remember details
on another note my ideal wagons today would probably be porscha and seanzie. I think porscha's solving today leaves a lot to be desired
I would say calling it solving is giving it too much credit.
that's kind of my point
Now adding pressure to the Porscha read.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:27 am
alison fits in a porscha/seanzie world
Alison read flips to scumread.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:32 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:29 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:26 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:24 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:21 am
i think lily needs to go off a claim or something ilario
You check in and catch up before without posting?
yes but I skimmed since im at work and not sure how much time I have. iread some sort of claim, maybe it was neon and not porscha
Neon and Lily have both claimed mechanical abilities that may be able to solve slots.
Lily says they can solve Porscha and only Porscha.
Neon says they may be able to resolve you/Seanzie.
Alison can self resolve if ppl don't vote her (so she says).
Tilgarial is outed fmpov.
Gotta say that's a lot of woofs I "shouldn't" vote for lol.
I guess the correct thing to do is kill outside all of these so I guess like Cham?
I think alison is just stalling. i'd probably prefer to vote her to cham atp. I think she fits better with seanzie wolf and I really think he's a wolf
Flip over and Chamo now no longer on the block. Note that Dya has thought Seanzie wolf a lot.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:36 am
ilario please tag me when you do read seanzie
Im honestly beginning to feel like I did in s7 finale where I have good reasons to scum read the guy and others are just glossing over it
Note again how Porscha sus falls by the wayside. It's never the focus. Always something more important.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:47 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:45 am
You know what's funny about Seanzie's iso is that it's like 50% randomly asking me questions with no follow up. It's like I'm the only person in this game he's reading.
he only follows up when his name is mentioned
More Seanzie focus.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:19 am
cham/seanzie/porscha/alison +3p?
Porscha mentioned but outside one snipe about their solving still no legit push.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:06 pm
see? even seanzie doesn't think he's been his usual self in the games. so why is alison v reading him so strongly
More push on Seanzie.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:09 pm
im not ignoring you neon i just dunno how to read you
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:14 pm
I don't think we should use the not being able to vote tilg thing to say tilg is mafia. I think if you have an independent read there, fine, but not being able to vote there is not necessarily because tilg's a wolf
Defending the unvotable.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:12 pm
why do people who think cham is town think he's town?
More pushing.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:18 pm
if I cant vote porscha, and no one will vote seanzie with me, then cham is my next option. Idk why more people arent really talking about him
Note how Dya took the "We can't vote Porscha!" thing from Lily.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:37 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:35 pm
I'll recant on Cham if Rondo is mafia
do...do you know how to read rondo?
Lmao NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:09 pm
3 hours I think
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:11 pm
[VOTE:
cham] aubergine
Back to voting Chamo.
Never voted Porscha even before Lily's Mech thing.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:26 pm
tilg I'll be honest I'm undecided on what you are. but I think pushing you for the not being to vote mechanic is bad
Kinda pocketing Tilg.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:39 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:31 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:26 pm
tilg I'll be honest I'm undecided on what you are. but I think pushing you for the not being to vote mechanic is bad
anything I did that makes you lean either way?
maybe something specific that makes it hard for you?
I think you're playing in a way that's harder to take fault with or call good solving. feels very middle of the road and I dont have meta with you to look at
what do you think of your play this game?
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:40 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:36 pm
So I wrote this with the viewpoint that it would be read after I flip green when I thought EOD was in 2 hours and I was locked in as the exe. If you currently don't believe I'll flip green then that's fine, you can save this for if/when I get voted off and read it then. Or treat it as a hypothetical. Up to you.
I have an extremely good track record at obtaining multiple pelts when I am voted off because I am good at identifying the people on my wagon who are there for genuine reasons and the people who are mafia. So you should sheep me. If you don't sheep me then I'm not responsible for the consequences.
The people on my wagon are as follows: EnderWiggin, Chamomile, santygrass, Neon, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
It is absolutely guaranteed that there are 2+ mafia on this list. I am a claimed PR and the arguments against me are bad but the players voting me aren't trolls which means that there is malicious intent here.
Santygrass is almost certainly one of them as he is the architect of most of the bad arguments and has been attacking me in bad faith for the entire game. I have too much respect for his play to consider the possibility that he might be wrong town and he wasn't even this bad in Spiritfarer so I have no choice but to deduce that he is pretending to be Spiritfarer Santy in order to justify his openwolfing.
EnderWiggin has done absolutely nothing that is townie but Aro shielded him so I guess he can live for a while more. But he has a pretty bad track record reads wise so I'd say he's on thin ice and should be made to do townie things.
Chamomile is playing exactly as I would expect a 3P to play. Assuming they are not 3P my first instinct would be that they are town and not mafia because of the lack of self preservation instinct along with the fact that they are setting up to park on me and do nothing but haven't done so. I don't really understand what their agenda is if they are mafia which suggests they don't have a mafia agenda.
I'll sheep Illario on Neon and say she is mafia especially since she has weird mech question marks surrounding her.
Nanook is an interesting case. Overall I think he has actually been playing like town Nanook but it hasn't escaped my notice that he is playing in a very scum sided way (roleblocking me D1 and vote parking me D2 with no explanation given). There are reasons and justifications and it's why I haven't gone after him harder. My honest suggestion is to pick off the obvious mafia (outlined above) first and then policy Nanook for scumsiding if he's still alive after that. If he has a way to clear himself he would have used it by then. Or be killed for it.
-
Next we will examine the rest of the game. Tilgarial and Porscha are top suspects for reasons I have already explained. Lilypetal and Macdougall have both been playing obscenely closely to their town meta and are either snowing me or just town. I will presume the latter since I have seen no evidence they are snowing me. Macdougall is shielding Belzy so let's assume he's right about her.
Illario is perhaps the most likely to be actually snowing me but I find it hard to disagree with his reads and solve. That is to say either he is town or I am inting. If you follow this legacy and it becomes clear that I am not inting then you can probably give Illario the thumbs up until endgame. dyachei has been playing in a mostly unobjectionable way. I actually think there is a chance they are wolf skating by but the correct way to deal with this possibility is simply to catch their teammates and follow the trail back to them. This averts the possibility that they are simply town because it is very unlikely that they will be a prime target for being falsely spewed as mafia partners with a wolf. So if you find the trail you know it's real, if you don't then you can let it rest for a bit. Let's hope that dyachei's partners aren't good at anti spew if they are maf.
Rondo and Millium are two players that I policy every game so perhaps someone who is not me will have a more objective eye on what to do with them. I'll be lazy and make them someone else's problem to sort.
Seanzie is obscenely town. I am just going to take him as lock town, if he is town then I am right. If he is wolf then I don't mind getting snowed and will update my read on him in the future to avoid it happening again. Let's see how that goes.
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I am pretty confident that following this blueprint will take you at least 80-90% of the way to winning the game if not 100% of the way. I am content if I die today because I believe that enough mafia will have outed themselves in order to push my death that we can win the game off that. The important thing is to not let them go because they have good tone or whatever nonsense and to simply hold the people who wrongfully killed me accountable. Town cannot lose if we play in a manner to maximize accountability and good order.
the read on me feels like a copout and I expect better from you
This is Dya's reaction every time.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:47 pm
Alison what's your legacy?
she had a post earlier with that I think
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:25 pm
idk i think this franticness I'm seeing from mac is more his town game even if I don't agree with him about what makes you suspicious, alison
if you flip green, i'll consider santy
Pocketing Mac.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm
do you think it's worth voting her when we could have mech tomorrow?
Preventing push going towards Porscha.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:25 pm
idk i think this franticness I'm seeing from mac is more his town game even if I don't agree with him about what makes you suspicious, alison
if you flip green, i'll consider santy
what don't you agree with?
the things you're pulling out to call alison lock scum seem reachy and frantic. not well thought out
alison might be a wolf, but i think it's more for her claim
Undermining Mac's reads constantly while calling him town.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:28 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:27 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm
do you think it's worth voting her when we could have mech tomorrow?
Whats the potential mech on her?
someone has claimed they can solve her overnight with mech
I feel like Dya never questioned this and pushed it hard. But I went along with it too so I'll give it NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:32 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:30 pm
And yeah fine I guess leaving her is fine enough probably, id prefer just to kill her and have whomever direct that mech somewhere else but
I don't think Porscha is the most ideal cop target in the game so I'm assuming that Lily has restrictions on who she can use her power on (especially since she doesn't have a N1 result).
lily has said in thread there are restrictions and she's limited to porscha
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:08 pm
mac the AtE from you this game is disgusting. I disagree with your reads, that doesn't mean I'm treating you like a moron. How about instead of mocking me, you play the game?
Once again undermining Mac.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:09 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:08 pm
mac the AtE from you this game is disgusting.
citation needed
telling me that I'm treating you like a moron is AtE and I'm not impressed
done talking to you now
Again.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:18 pm
i told alison I would look into santy as mafia more if she flips villa. She's not lying about it
Santy is conveniently a trail that can be followed that's not Porscha.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:20 pm
calling your offense on alison reachy and frantic is not an insult, it's not treating you like a moron, it's making a read.
then you tried to make me feel guilty off of it. That's the definition of AtE.
Eh I'm not making a comment here this is into ATE territory.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:20 pm
gonna repeat, mac is in his town meta. I think he's just wrong on his reads this game
Broken watch going again.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:26 pm
I have determined that further conversation is likely to be unproductive so I'm going to go watch a movie and wait for other people to come in that I can talk to that aren't the person I am hard pushing, Macdougall, or Wisp.
Any recommendations? I'm watching this with someone I'm close to and he's really into Disney. We have Netflix.
dragon prince is fun
I agree.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:32 pm
wait, why is belzy mafia here?
I've seen this reaction about Porscha before......
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:33 pm
The longer this goes on the less likely that the town that are not following closely will really understand what's happening but to summarise for those who are only loosely paying attention or engaged in your own heated dialogue.
Alison made a legacy post. In it Alison claimed that Santy was pursuing her all game with bad faith arguments.
Unequivocal facts can show that Santy had townread Alison the entirety of day 1 and then significantly into day 2. So Alison was incorrect.
When I pointed that out, Alison pursued a line of defense that was a series of misrepresentations, trying to modify the crux of my issue with Alison to improve Alison's ability to reason. For example by saying I was townreading Santygrass for trying to kill town etc and by trying to imply that the idea of townreading a town who is egregiously wrong is weird for me (or anyone). I refuted this by pointing out that Alison is not pursuing Dyachei with any vigour despite Dyachei being the primary exponent of the Arogame wagon on day 1. I also pointed out that between Dya and Santy if either of them were to be scumread for pushing town it would make more sense for Dya to be as Dya has better reads accuracy than Santy and Santy has a history of hard pushing onto town. This was stepped around.
Alison then made a comment that only the wolves and honorary wolves didn't think Santy's case was illogical and bad. When asked to name people Alison named Nanook, Dya and Lily.
Neither Nanook or Dya were able to verify that they ever said this, though both did attempt to defend Alison.
I believe the above makes Alison near confirmed mafia.
I do not think it reflects well on Nanook and Dya either, but I doubt Alison buries them both this way in self defense. I think Dyachei is much more likely to be mafia than Nanook.
Consider the above my final comment on the previous events.
you expecting me to have super accurate reads on people I havent played many long games with is nice, but not reality
Undermining MAc.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:41 pm
my push on aro convinced no one to move their vote. it wasnt until aro started posting badly towards the end of day that people started to move. I had been there much earlier. I think it's disingenuous to say that I killed aro. There were multiple people pushing aro and I was probably listened to the least
This is just ehhhh. Hard pushed and is part of the reason other people reached Aro.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:42 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:41 pm
my push on aro convinced no one to move their vote. it wasnt until aro started posting badly towards the end of day that people started to move. I had been there much earlier. I think it's disingenuous to say that I killed aro. There were multiple people pushing aro and I was probably listened to the least
I think it's disingenuous to say that Santy killed Alison too tbh.
probably true. you're pushing her more than he is
Undermining Mac.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:43 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:38 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:37 pm
@dyachei that's fair. I am not actually saying that you should tbh. I am merely pointing out that if there is an argument between who is more likely to be mafia who brutally killed town between:
Dyachei who buried Arogame and in the process saved Porscha who appears to be outed wolf
or
Santygrass who buried Alison who has not even flipped yet and seems to be an outed wolf
I think you profile as more likely.
And yet Alison is making the argument that Santy is more guilty for "ruthlessly killing townies" than you are.
He is, dya never pushed aro as hard as Santy pushed me, dya's reasons were much less BS. I would say I killed aro more than dya did, and if you wanna scumread me off that I'm fine with it.
Santy only started casing you after being persuaded to reevaluate by others. You are giving dyachei benefit of the doubt you aren't applying to Santy.
You still have yet to actually argue against any of the specific points that he made. You are just playing the whole series of posts off like they're moronic and the whole world should agree when realistically everyone in the game either actually agrees with Santy or never actually read his posts.
so why does that make us partners instead of alison trying to pocket me?
Eh.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:55 pm
Alisons's legacy summarised - Since Alison is off to watch a movie we can have a chat about this without running the risk of being accused of misunderstanding her meta or whatever lol.
Santygrass is mafia because "
he is the architect of most of the bad arguments and has been attacking me in bad faith for the entire game". Alison has too much respect for Santy to let him get away with it.
EnderWiggin has done absolutely nothing that is townie but
Aro shielded him so I guess he can live for a while more. But he has a pretty bad track record reads wise so I'd say he's on thin ice and should be made to do townie things.
Chamomile is playing exactly as I would expect a 3P to play. Because they are playing weird without self pres instinct which isn't scummy so must be 3p.
I'll sheep Illario on
Neon and say she is mafia especially since she has weird mech question marks surrounding her.
Nanook has been
playing in a very scum sided way. But it's justified and so pick off obvious mafia (Neon, Santy etc.) before you resolve this.
Rest of solve
Tilg/Porscha top sus - Doesn't elaborate just says reasons already explained
Mac/Lily top town - playing obscenely close to our town meta. I'm shielding Belzy so
Belzy must be town.
Illario is maybe snowing
but is probably just town because his reads and solves are great. dyachei has been townie because agreeable but "chance they are wolf skating by but the correct way to deal with this possibility is simply to catch their teammates" - Same way they asked us to handle Nanook.
Offers no read on Millium or Rondo cuz Alison thinks they are policy or whatever.
Seanzie is obscenely town.
she updated her reads from this though
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:30 pm
ilario are you gonna try to catch up?
i feel like im going crazy and you're my top town
Hm.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:31 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:30 pm
I’m ngl if lily comes in tomorrow with a green on porcha I might just vote out lily if I’m still alive… because if porcha is v then what in the world is this game rn
lily wanted us to vote porscha if she didnt show up in 1.5 hrs....about that long ago i think?
Hm.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:37 pm
Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:36 pm
How many mafs in a game this size?
! Monkey d Luffy can’t swim in one piece
prob 4 maf +1 3p
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:41 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:39 pm
Hey Mac if I am a wolf I must have partners right? Why don't you go talk about those? Everyone and their mother has heard your case on me already.
he's talked about how I'm partnered with you a lot today
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:57 pm
stop pinging me
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:00 pm
Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:59 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:57 pm
stop pinging me
read my post
!
who says i didn't. i read all the posts. you dont need to ping me unless you're expecting a response
it makes me cranky
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:01 pm
[VOTE:
porscha] aubergine
Finally votes Porscha when it looks like the "Mech" defense isn't going to do anything.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:07 pm
idk what executioner does and Im too tired to care rn
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:08 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:08 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:03 pm
i do kind of think porscha might be in antispew because her role is good and i am playing into her hand a bit
but idk
yes or no
do you have mechanical info that 100% makes Betzy a wolf because of their claim?
I think Porscha just isn't posting, why does it have to be anti-spew, anti-spew themselves by posting, is that what u mean?
Confused why ur making this assumption
doesnt porscha have a volume tell?
First time they mentioned this.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:11 pm
Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:10 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:07 pm
idk what executioner does and Im too tired to care rn
Executioner is given a person at the beginning of the game that they have to eliminate. What are your thoughts on Alison's thought process given that?
!
i think it's a stretch for sure
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:15 pm
Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:14 pm
Illario's recent posts are very suss to me. I think there are 3-4 wolves in Alison, Ilario, Nook, and Wisp.
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:30 pm
I’m ngl if lily comes in tomorrow with a green on porcha I might just vote out lily if I’m still alive… because if porcha is v then what in the world is this game rn
This post is
super scummy.
!
i really don't agree
i think porscha fits into most wolf worlds
Really now? Then why was it so hard to get you to push there?
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:16 pm
Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:15 pm
Ilario hard red from that post honestly.
!
why are people v reading this guy?
Back to pushing Chamo.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:17 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:16 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:16 pm
Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:15 pm
Ilario hard red from that post honestly.
!
why are people v reading this guy?
fwiw i dont think his take on me is scummy for him
it's a terrible take
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:24 pm
how do you know your wolf reads are accurate cham? I haven't seen any of those players flip
Eh.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:29 pm
Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:28 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:24 pm
how do you know your wolf reads are accurate cham? I haven't seen any of those players flip
Well there's a simple way to fix that now ain't there!
porscha more likely to flip wolf lets flip her first
I'm noticing this now because the defense is gone, Porscha suddenly is a priority to flip. Gain cred because Porscha's dead anyway.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:34 pm
Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:33 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:29 pm
Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:28 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:24 pm
how do you know your wolf reads are accurate cham? I haven't seen any of those players flip
Well there's a simple way to fix that now ain't there!
porscha more likely to flip wolf lets flip her first
porsha's gonna be solved through mech so that's objectively a bad play. scum pushing hard for porsha ever since Alison became a wagon (see Ilario's post trying to dissuade lily fro relying on mech to solve porsha)
!
the person with mech said to vote her if she didnt post in 1.5 hrs nd its been past that time but thanks for playing
Lol.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:41 pm
i'd prefer to vote out a wolf today, idk about you guys
Blatantly grabbing Cred here.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:45 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:44 pm
I agree with Seven.
Porscha as a wolf would likely be always outed even if they arent the yeet today. W!Porscha isn even posting rn.
I think any team would see as the better yeet now if Porscha/Alison is w/w f.e.
what if alison is town?
TMIing Alison town and directly undermining other town.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:47 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:47 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:45 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:44 pm
I agree with Seven.
Porscha as a wolf would likely be always outed even if they arent the yeet today. W!Porscha isn even posting rn.
I think any team would see as the better yeet now if Porscha/Alison is w/w f.e.
what if alison is town?
They arent.
If they flip green totally murderize me
no, i want to hear your solve if you're wrong town
This is probably the towniest part of this stretch.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:48 pm
Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:47 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:45 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:44 pm
I agree with Seven.
Porscha as a wolf would likely be always outed even if they arent the yeet today. W!Porscha isn even posting rn.
I think any team would see as the better yeet now if Porscha/Alison is w/w f.e.
what if alison is town?
Read the post I pinged you in, please?
if not for me then for one piece!
quote it for me
Eh.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:48 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:47 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:47 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:45 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:44 pm
I agree with Seven.
Porscha as a wolf would likely be always outed even if they arent the yeet today. W!Porscha isn even posting rn.
I think any team would see as the better yeet now if Porscha/Alison is w/w f.e.
what if alison is town?
They arent.
If they flip green totally murderize me
no, i want to hear your solve if you're wrong town
ew
You know, I've thought that about some of your posts today
Whats wrong with wanting santy's thoughts on the solve if alison flips v?
It's part of how I'm trying to solve him
Eh.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:50 pm
Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:49 pm
Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:55 pm
Alison's Made Up Logic for Why I am Town Summarized
Alison thinks I am 3P. Alison doesn't think I am mafia.
I came into today hard on Alison. I was hard on Ender yesterday.
Alison thinks specifically I am an executioner.
I sheep Illario on the Rodo vote thinking day ended today.
Alison thinks that Rodo is my execution target.
Alison thinks that execution target isn't mafia. Therefore if Rodo flips town, I am town.
I want everyone to read this!!! It. Is. Not. Real. If Alison really thought I was an executioner, she wouldn't think my target was for sure some rando player I sheep voted on. So strongly believe that, that if that person flipped town, her suspicion of me being executioner would dissolve. Especially because there are more viable targets of a cham!Executioner, say the people I've actually been going hard on to eliminate: Alison & Ender!
@MacDougall @ilario @EnderWiggin @dyachei @Tilgarial @Belzy
i already answered this!
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:52 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:48 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:47 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:47 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:45 pm
what if alison is town?
They arent.
If they flip green totally murderize me
no, i want to hear your solve if you're wrong town
ew
You know, I've thought that about some of your posts today
Whats wrong with wanting santy's thoughts on the solve if alison flips v?
It's part of how I'm trying to solve him
yeah you would dislike my posts today given you're blatantly a wolf with alison so that tracks
asking a tunneling town (rightly or wrongly) to theorycraft worlds outside their immediate purview the way that you just did is hilariously asinine... it's like asking an astronomer to argue that the earth is flat in the middle of them debating against a flat earther... it's disingenuous
just stop talking to me if you're gonna be like this. I can't believe alison said earlier you can take people disagreeing with oyu because I havent seen it this game
More undermining Mac.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:55 pm
im trying to read santy on something other than tunneling. god forbid. might as well vote me now
NAI sass.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:55 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:52 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:48 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:47 pm
no, i want to hear your solve if you're wrong town
ew
You know, I've thought that about some of your posts today
Whats wrong with wanting santy's thoughts on the solve if alison flips v?
It's part of how I'm trying to solve him
yeah you would dislike my posts today given you're blatantly a wolf with alison so that tracks
asking a tunneling town (rightly or wrongly) to theorycraft worlds outside their immediate purview the way that you just did is hilariously asinine... it's like asking an astronomer to argue that the earth is flat in the middle of them debating against a flat earther... it's disingenuous
just stop talking to me if you're gonna be like this. I can't believe alison said earlier you can take people disagreeing with oyu because I havent seen it this game
i have like, hardly pushed you all game cuz every time i even remotely do so you resort to posts like this
and then you accuse me of things you're guilty of
you're hilarious
you've been pushing me all day. liar
Undermining Mac.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:56 pm
and i complained that you were making me feel like you think im dumb and instead of apologising or showing base level empathy you accused me of ate
crazy times folks
gaslighting at its finest. good show
Undermining Mac.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:59 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:58 pm
Dya fwiw for Mac levels, he wasnt pushing you. Sometimes with Mac you have to be more forgiving and understand that the way they play the game is a more aggro one? Idk
just because he hasn't been tunneling me doesnt mean he hasnt been pushing me all day. I'm well aware how aggro he is I just wish he were hoenst with himself instead of blaming me because I'm honestly tired of the bullshit
Undermining Mac.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:15 pm
I've asked you repeatedly to stop talking to me but you persist.
AtE is also not calling you emotional. Please stop implying that's what I did. Ate means your appealing to my emotions
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:23 pm
I find it offensive to be told that I've been issuing decrees expecting obedience here.
To be fair I don't think Dya has.
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:48 pm
My reads areas they are in thread. Probably not coming back to the thread for at least 48 hrs
I'm gonna say NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:47 am
i still think mac is town. I just disagree with his reads.
Undermining Mac.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:51 am
i think we're being lead astray here as we keep arguing over which low poster is more likely a wolf. I've got some discomfort about it so I'm just voicing it here
STarts to undermine the Porscha push.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:39 am
ilario im kind of confused how I could realistically be in a world where mac is wolf. Like yeah mac may like that kind of theater but I do not and would not partake.
also like...you haven't really read a lot of my posts so these pronouncements seem strange to me
Eh.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:41 am
low key kind of want to push santy more because he's the loudest voice trying to get Alison out and I don't think she's as wolfy as people are making her out to be. That's not really a defense of alison as I think she can act pretty towny as a wolf, but I have concerns about the push on her
"Starts defending a towny being pushed instead of dealing with Porscha. AGAIN."
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:43 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:42 am
How many wolves? 18/4=4.5?
probably 4 because we know we have at least 1 3p
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:48 am
i dont really think that's a fair assessment but I'm biased. I think it's because ilario and I know you better than santy knows you
I wonder if this is pocketing ilario.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:53 am
but the thing is alison, I don't have you as a strong town read or anything. I have you as maybe town but I'm concerned about your range
Hmmmmmmm.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:34 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:33 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:39 am
ilario im kind of confused how I could realistically be in a world where mac is wolf. Like yeah mac may like that kind of theater but I do not and would not partake.
also like...you haven't really read a lot of my posts so these pronouncements seem strange to me
okay actually yeah maybe u wouldnt partake
hmmmm its just harder for me to imagine the conversation occuring earlier in a w!mac t!you world which is kinda why i assumed its theatre....idk i just really dont like macs handling of alison but i struggle to form teams around mac
i suppose mac can be a wolf with u as town...hmmm that makes it harder for me to build teams around though
really think he's town. And i think he's being paranoid of alison and trying to find reasons that fit that paranoia tbh
Dya seems intent on ensuring Mac is townread.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:38 am
ilario could ender fit in that world?
Dya knows ilario keeps scumreading me, tries to tilt him that way.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:42 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:40 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:38 am
ilario could ender fit in that world?
hmmm i suppose? i keep oscillating in my read on ender ngl
he just seems like a reasonable voice but I don;'t really see him doing a lot with it and it's making me nervous. idk maybe I'm just paranoid of him and I dont have a great track record reading him
"I'm not scumreading him, but YOU could scumread him."
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:54 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:48 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:46 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:45 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:43 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:42 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:41 am
probs not, whats the Q?
I cant remember them, there in my ISO though.
ah okay if u vote porcha eod ill find them and answer for u tmrw if im alive
Mate, I already wouldnt give you a reads list because you wouldnt answer my questions. What makes you think Ill let you control my vote before answering them? lol
true, well if u quote me ur questions ill answer them
Mate, that only incentivises you to ignore my questions in future games. No
...how?
he's literally asking you to repeat so he can answer them? I just don't understand this logic
People unsure how to deal with Rondo is NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:05 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:03 pm
Anyone around right now. Who is someone you would never point the finger at right now and say they are a wolf? And then same question but instead who do you think the consensus is even if you disagree with it?
there's no one I would "never" say they are a wolf because I believe in re-evaluation but probably lilypetal because of her treatment of porscha, ilario and mac are also up there
i think the consensus is pointing to alison/belzy and I'm not sure either are wolves. Belzy in particular tends to do her own thing in the game I played with her and not match player expectations.
Soft defense of Belzy.
Uses Alison as a shield for that defense.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:10 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:09 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:51 am
i think we're being lead astray here as we keep arguing over which low poster is more likely a wolf. I've got some discomfort about it so I'm just voicing it here
Porscha belzy and I are arguably the only low posters so im...not sure this really makes sense
it just feels like we're being lead down a path and I'm not sure it makes sense.
Undermining Porscha wagon is what they're doing. Yes.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:23 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:11 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:10 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:09 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:51 am
i think we're being lead astray here as we keep arguing over which low poster is more likely a wolf. I've got some discomfort about it so I'm just voicing it here
Porscha belzy and I are arguably the only low posters so im...not sure this really makes sense
it just feels like we're being lead down a path and I'm not sure it makes sense.
Ok
What path and who is leading us?
santy, ender, mac, alison, ilario, and there's probably 1 other Im forgetting the name of right now
It's the path to thinking porscha and belzy are wolves together and i feel like they might be but there's more confidence about it than I would believe. There's also been a lot of pushing me into the the world's being built like I can't be a villager and I think i'm pretty firmly in my village meta, so it's kind of surprising from a few players that know me
Town. Me who is town. Probably town. Town. And Probably town?
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:26 pm
i think voting belzy is a bad plan. i dont think she's outed at all
Anti-Belzy wagon.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:03 pm
@Lilypetal feel free not to tell me but if your action is a one shot or similar, wouldnt we be better off using it on someone not as outed as porscha
Hm.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:16 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:10 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:56 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:49 pm
Yeah, I think Belzy is outed.
What's ur reasoning for this?
Belzy knows how to handle such roles:
(Spoilered below is a quote from a DIFFERENT game)
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:58 pm
If I drop dead, Tang is confirmed town. Otherwise, she will drop dead instead and flip as scum, and I will be confirmed town. Stay tuned.
so the fact that her ISO does not include a clear crumb for her N1 target makes the chances of her lying extremely high...
and we can add that to the fact that scum!Belzy likes to use fakeclaims to try to clear themselves:
https://www.mafiacafe.net/forum/standar ... #post19839
(Erika is Belzy, and she was scum that game)
So a super questionable lack of crumb along with Belzy meta makes this kind of a lock IMO.
this makes a lot more sense than some of the other things thrown around about belzy (most notably the miscommunication)
[VOTE:
belzy] aubergine
THIS IS WHERE:
1. I remind you Seanzie is one of Dya's scumreads.
2. Dya was defending Belzy and now that there's strong proof of the fakeclaiming strat they reverse the read because they expect it to go badly for Belzy.
Also taking out Mac with Belzy seems fine.tm.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:17 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:13 pm
If that is the case why are u still voting Alison?
he's voting belzy that i see?
NAI.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:42 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:25 pm
I am pretty sure Mac is town and we are together voting for Millium, and Mac even have had a read list calling ilario scum too. Likey, likey.
this is also the only post where she calls mac town so...
ideal usage of the role is as a peek, not necessarily as a neighborhood. It's better to possibly clear someone who is in the POE or die to finding a wolf because a 1 to 1 exchange is always worth it to catch a wolf
Turning around on previous stance.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:50 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:49 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:23 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:20 pm
So today confirms i cannot combine mafia with my job/ personal life. Did Mac already said he was confused about something? He asked me to tell you myself, namely that I never changed my claim. I never said I had multi shots, only told him 1 shot.
That aside, sorries for the low activity. I appreciate the fact only Mac got green checked but I am not. I will continue playing but lowball, very lower ball than usual. As long I am in the game my reasons are personal. I will try catchup daily, but post very limited.
If Mac was mafia, you would have died?
Yes, Mac is town. That is garantee.
Everyone put the god damn tinfoil away ty
is it tinfoil to expect her to use her role for a peek or to at least crumb who she was gonna invite in case she died? idrts
Kinda weird how sharp that turn was.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:30 pm
i dont think belzy and alison are incompatible as partners though
Ooops, Porscha not there, just Alison.
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:39 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:32 pm
@dyachei how likely in % you think that Alison is wolf? And % for Belzy?
i hate using percentages
I think alison is slightly villagery in some ways but I have really big concerns about her role claim. I dont think the things that some people are pushing her for are really all that AI. I'm not opposed to her being a wagon but I'd rather vote somewhere else
I think belzy is pretty likely to be a wolf. I think she should have crumbed her role at minimum and not doing so as a villager could potentially lose us a peek. If I am wrong on her, we get the added value of a lock clear villager
Very sharp.
END OF DAY 2.
Day 3 starts with Dya turning around on Santy and defending Belzy but I can't be assed quoting it all. Continues to defend Mac but call him wrong.