MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:20 pm
top 2 town and top 2 mafia?
Currently?
Nanook and Lily.
Belzy and Dya. Maybe Neon instead of Dya.
Actually Wisp and Lily.
I forgot how towny votecount on D1 is for Wisp.
Lilypetal is pretty convinced that if there's a wolf that's trying to snow me here that it's Ilario.
Do you really think that we'd be in this gamestate if the solve was 3 of Belzy/Dya/Neon/Porscha without Ilario playing the way that he has intentionally to support them? If I think of that mafia team, I struggle to see how Ilario would have had to have accidentally wolfsided to the degree that he would have to make it viable.
I have mentioned at times that I think illario is possible wolf.
I am however focusing on my Dya read. Not going to bother with thinking about anything else until this is done.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:23 pm
Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.
The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.
yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that
Do you agree with the logic of the read? ie. Do you agree with me when I say that Seanzie not caring how people read him is a towntell, and that Seanzie has not cared how people read him this game?
I don't think that's a town tell for him, no.
ok. I see you have improved your opinion on Seanzie after he started doing things as well. So perhaps you aren't treating Seanzie as poorly as I thought.
What are your reads on Wisp, aro and Porscha?
aro is a scum lean, wisp is a v lean, and no read on porscha
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:22 am
Esp if we hit a wolf I can just rb belzy plus one other person
And then say a kp goes through the night then the other person might be clear
Mac you should seriously consider this if you think I’m town and can trust me
It is going to heavily depend on who's getting chopped instead.
@MacDougall let me ask you something
take flips out of the game. take out the fact on perceived player skill. whose been right. whose been wrong. remove all that and focus purely on posting. take out the idea of how you would expect certain slots to play if theyre mafia or town, pretend these are all strangers to you. take out spew as well.
tell me who are the 2 most scummiest slots/2 least towny slots to you
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:22 am
Esp if we hit a wolf I can just rb belzy plus one other person
And then say a kp goes through the night then the other person might be clear
Mac you should seriously consider this if you think I’m town and can trust me
It is going to heavily depend on who's getting chopped instead.
@MacDougall let me ask you something
take flips out of the game. take out the fact on perceived player skill. whose been right. whose been wrong. remove all that and focus purely on posting. take out the idea of how you would expect certain slots to play if theyre mafia or town, pretend these are all strangers to you. take out spew as well.
tell me who are the 2 most scummiest slots/2 least towny slots to you
Bro I just think you're mafia you're just ignoring all the stacks of evidence against actual wolves and pushing randoms. Dyachei, Lilypetal and Millium all hard threw themselves into saving Porscha. If there are no wolves in that group what the fuck were the mafia even doing?
Dyachei's day 1 was entirely comprised of antagonising townies (mostly Seanzie). Literally townreads Aro until EOD and comes in throws a random vote on him and then starts representing it like it was a godread.
Lilypetal was pretty much openwolfing to shield Porscha at times and pushing townies.
Millium straight up refused to self preservation vote Porscha, his wagon before it fell apart has nothing but dead town on it.
If there are no wolves in three three we deserve to lose.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:03 am
Bro I just think you're mafia you're just ignoring all the stacks of evidence against actual wolves and pushing randoms. Dyachei, Lilypetal and Millium all hard threw themselves into saving Porscha. If there are no wolves in that group what the fuck were the mafia even doing?
Dyachei's day 1 was entirely comprised of antagonising townies (mostly Seanzie). Literally townreads Aro until EOD and comes in throws a random vote on him and then starts representing it like it was a godread.
Lilypetal was pretty much openwolfing to shield Porscha at times and pushing townies.
Millium straight up refused to self preservation vote Porscha, his wagon before it fell apart has nothing but dead town on it.
If there are no wolves in three three we deserve to lose.
And you're operating entirely around all of them.
If you aren't mafia then Lilypetal is almost always mafia for trying to convince me that you're the mafia instead of going after someone in this group (ie. Dyachei mainly).
I think there's probably a single town inside Lilypetal/Ilario/Dyachei/Millium. It's either Lilypetal or you I think.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:03 am
Bro I just think you're mafia you're just ignoring all the stacks of evidence against actual wolves and pushing randoms. Dyachei, Lilypetal and Millium all hard threw themselves into saving Porscha. If there are no wolves in that group what the fuck were the mafia even doing?
Dyachei's day 1 was entirely comprised of antagonising townies (mostly Seanzie). Literally townreads Aro until EOD and comes in throws a random vote on him and then starts representing it like it was a godread.
Lilypetal was pretty much openwolfing to shield Porscha at times and pushing townies.
Millium straight up refused to self preservation vote Porscha, his wagon before it fell apart has nothing but dead town on it.
If there are no wolves in three three we deserve to lose.
millums decision to give the gift to me doesnt make sense, he said our reads aligned but i was pushing him and seven at eod whilst he was calling it a tvt wagon. i think belzy has had tmi on millums slot, there was a lot of nuance to his push on wisp i think porcha saying "eh idc" when voting wisp on d1 can also be partnery since a wolf voting a town would probably try to come up with something better than that. spf was calling out wisps handling of belzys push d1 too.
rondos d1 is howling and wisp kinda struggles with tmi. i remember the reason i trd him in finals was because he was the only other person that was sus of lumi and tilg with me that game. i dont think wisp would be overly enthused to rand wolf in a team of porcha/belzy/rondo considering he doesnt know any of them and after so many wolf rands i can see him just asking them to bus him on d1.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:10 am
Ilario, have you read the day 1 back since it occurred?
i am in the process of doing that. i started it previously on another day but got busy and stopped. i started again fresh not long ago with belzy and now ur alignment confirmed in mind
How the fuck are you gonna sit here and watch dyachei go through an entire mafia game burying town and low flying and completely disregard the possibility they are mafia the entire time?
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:17 am
How the fuck are you gonna sit here and watch dyachei go through an entire mafia game burying town and low flying and completely disregard the possibility they are mafia the entire time?
i have regarded the fact that they may just be pocketing me but i need a better argument than them burying town because i think other villagers have buried more town
I know you agree you already said he was. So that's great. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you have been upgraded to incontrovertible town by all participants. You will now be getting night killed in this game because you are a green check.
Or at least let's agree that this, and this alone, puts Lilypetal into the firm POE for us to continue to look for reasons to resolve. Can we agree on that?
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:27 am
Or at least let's agree that this, and this alone, puts Lilypetal into the firm POE for us to continue to look for reasons to resolve. Can we agree on that?
im happy to put her into the look into pile if you feel strongly enough about it
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:39 pm
See this is what I mean, I bounce my vote around and every time it’s met with “omg, why does this person deserve this many votes”
i mean i checked vc and she had 5 votes
and i just looked at her iso and saw nothing bad
so im rightfully confused?
So can you explain why you believe I’m scummy then?
how about u dont vote lhf the entire game if ur town
Not only is Lily absolutely fiercely defensive of Porscha (who was straight up in her obvious wolf meta)...
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:30 am
Do you really think that Lilypetal does not have the skill as a mafia player to fake that post?
If it were just a singular post in an otherwise bad iso then I would be more bothered. I am keeping in mind her posts earlier to me a few hours ago that felt really towny
Yes Lilypetal has been townie since, ergo I am not going to tunnel her but wolfy players do towny shit. They also do wolfy shit. The towny shit doesn't undo the fact that Lilypetal pretty much outed to save Porscha, someone who is polarised.
