Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[santygrass]

Votecount asofrn

Alison (6) - Ender, Cham, santygrass , Mac , Nanook , Belzy
Belzy (4) - Seanzie, Neon, Alison, Lilypetal
Porscha (3) - Dyachei ,ilario, Millium
Rondo (1) - Rondo
Not Voting (3) - Tilgarial, Porscha

Edit with Belzy vote now wowee

[Alison]

Porscha is getting checked tonight so no point voting her

So it boils down to whether or not you believe Belzy's claim

I kinda think we should kill Santygrass still

[Seanzie]

So today confirms i cannot combine mafia with my job/ personal life. Did Mac already said he was confused about something? He asked me to tell you myself, namely that I never changed my claim. I never said I had multi shots, only told him 1 shot.

That aside, sorries for the low activity. I appreciate the fact only Mac got green checked but I am not. I will continue playing but lowball, very lower ball than usual. As long I am in the game my reasons are personal. I will try catchup daily, but post very limited.

If Mac was mafia, you would have died?

Yes, Mac is town. That is garantee.

Why did you choose Mac?

Did you indicate in thread yesterday who your target was going to be?

[Seanzie]

Yeah, I think Belzy is outed.

[Millium]

Yeah, I think Belzy is outed.

What's ur reasoning for this?

[Millium]

So u think it's Alison and Betzy?

[Millium]

So today confirms i cannot combine mafia with my job/ personal life. Did Mac already said he was confused about something? He asked me to tell you myself, namely that I never changed my claim. I never said I had multi shots, only told him 1 shot.

That aside, sorries for the low activity. I appreciate the fact only Mac got green checked but I am not. I will continue playing but lowball, very lower ball than usual. As long I am in the game my reasons are personal. I will try catchup daily, but post very limited.

If Mac was mafia, you would have died?

Yes, Mac is town. That is garantee.

Why did you choose Mac?

Did you indicate in thread yesterday who your target was going to be?

I'm pretty sure Mac was one of her top town reads, so that at least aligns I believe

[Millium]

Rondo clearly doesn't care, and I'm at a lose for what that means anymore

[Millium]

I see know reason to wait for a mechanical check, if Porsha is already well in her wolf meta, her earlier lean list changes nothing

[Seanzie]

So u think it's Alison and Betzy?

I am not sure on Alison.

[dyachei]

@Lilypetal feel free not to tell me but if your action is a one shot or similar, wouldnt we be better off using it on someone not as outed as porscha

[Belzy]

So today confirms i cannot combine mafia with my job/ personal life. Did Mac already said he was confused about something? He asked me to tell you myself, namely that I never changed my claim. I never said I had multi shots, only told him 1 shot.

That aside, sorries for the low activity. I appreciate the fact only Mac got green checked but I am not. I will continue playing but lowball, very lower ball than usual. As long I am in the game my reasons are personal. I will try catchup daily, but post very limited.

If Mac was mafia, you would have died?

Yes, Mac is town. That is garantee.

Why did you choose Mac?

Did you indicate in thread yesterday who your target was going to be?

Mac was my top town read. Any other option created the fear i might die.

No, i just decided during n1 what to do

[Millium]

So u think it's Alison and Betzy?

I am not sure on Alison.

So then what are u doing?

[Seanzie]

Yeah, I think Belzy is outed.

What's ur reasoning for this?

Belzy knows how to handle such roles:

(Spoilered below is a quote from a DIFFERENT game)

Spoiler: show

If I drop dead, Tang is confirmed town. Otherwise, she will drop dead instead and flip as scum, and I will be confirmed town. Stay tuned.

so the fact that her ISO does not include a clear crumb for her N1 target makes the chances of her lying extremely high...

and we can add that to the fact that scum!Belzy likes to use fakeclaims to try to clear themselves:

https://www.mafiacafe.net/forum/standar ... #post19839

(Erika is Belzy, and she was scum that game)

So a super questionable lack of crumb along with Belzy meta makes this kind of a lock IMO.

[Seanzie]

So u think it's Alison and Betzy?

I am not sure on Alison.

So then what are u doing?

What do you mean?

[Millium]

If that is the case why are u still voting Alison?

[dyachei]

Yeah, I think Belzy is outed.

What's ur reasoning for this?

Belzy knows how to handle such roles:

(Spoilered below is a quote from a DIFFERENT game)

Spoiler: show

If I drop dead, Tang is confirmed town. Otherwise, she will drop dead instead and flip as scum, and I will be confirmed town. Stay tuned.

so the fact that her ISO does not include a clear crumb for her N1 target makes the chances of her lying extremely high...

and we can add that to the fact that scum!Belzy likes to use fakeclaims to try to clear themselves:

https://www.mafiacafe.net/forum/standar ... #post19839

(Erika is Belzy, and she was scum that game)

So a super questionable lack of crumb along with Belzy meta makes this kind of a lock IMO.

this makes a lot more sense than some of the other things thrown around about belzy (most notably the miscommunication)

[VOTE: belzy] aubergine

[Millium]

What is that game u linked showcasing? I have no time to shift through an iso on mobile, I only have 10 mins of my.lunch left and them I'm on and off again till 30 min prior to EoD

[dyachei]

If that is the case why are u still voting Alison?

he's voting belzy that i see?

[Millium]

I swear I saw him still on Alison, maybe I'm dumb

[Seanzie]

If that is the case why are u still voting Alison?

I'm not?

[Millium]

Makes more sense now, if that's the case I'll just take that claim at face value

[Millium]

[VOTE: Betzy] aubergine
I have to head back to work

[Seanzie]

What is that game u linked showcasing? I have no time to shift through an iso on mobile, I only have 10 mins of my.lunch left and them I'm on and off again till 30 min prior to EoD

Just that one post is all I meant to convey. She gave an elaborate fakeclaim to try to clear herself and win the game (it backfired - we were wolves together and lost). This sort of thing is a common wolf trick for her.

[MacDougall]

@ilario i reckon we should not kill porscha here. thoughts?

sadly, i agree

that was a joke

[santygrass]

I think Seanzie case has merit im the sense that it doesnt seem like how you would act with an desperado type of role tbh.

Waiting to see @Belzy reply to it

[MacDougall]

"Santygrass is almost certainly one of them as he is the architect of most of the bad arguments and has been attacking me in bad faith for the entire game."

This is so inaccurate and phony that it makes me suspicious of Santygrass being partners.

It is the most accurate description of Santygrass' play this game.

No it is literally not. Any arbitrary check of Santy's iso can tell you that.

So what happens when I flip green Mac? Are you going to put your fingers in your ears and close your eyes and go "I guess Alison was trolling"? Or are you going to listen to me and vote Santy out?

Let's move the point of the conversation back to the pertinent which is you completely lying about Santy. Saying he's the architect of your wagon when he was your primary defender for the first 75% of this game and you were being touted as a poe suspect by everyone before he read your iso and changed his tune.

Let's talk about facts such as the fact that you are just making things up to push an agenda.

Let's talk about actual posts and the actual game instead of trying to manipulate me with posts like this.

eh i cant sleep cos its really hot but i dont wanna turn on the aircon so im gonna do some backreading. i probably wont see any posts directed to me in real-time so if i dont respond its not cos im ignoring u

anyways this post is hella wolfy because mac is completely evading alisons question, shifting the focus back onto her and specifically focusing the conversation on things that will make alison look bad, i dont think hes interested in solving her here, despite her being billboard town

also macs shift in handling santy today feels really off, he has fought me the entire game on my santy tr but now that santy has joined the mission to bury alison he has been santys biggest fan. this feels too co-incidental for my liking.

also the way mac attacks alisons read on seanzie is not good either. seanzie is billboaard inno child town, alison is correct. mac should know alison is correct and agree with her read instead of trying to frame it as wolfy like he does later

lol no

[MacDougall]

So today confirms i cannot combine mafia with my job/ personal life. Did Mac already said he was confused about something? He asked me to tell you myself, namely that I never changed my claim. I never said I had multi shots, only told him 1 shot.

That aside, sorries for the low activity. I appreciate the fact only Mac got green checked but I am not. I will continue playing but lowball, very lower ball than usual. As long I am in the game my reasons are personal. I will try catchup daily, but post very limited.

no that's not what I said lol.

I said I assumed you had multiple shots, you didn't correct me and you must not have noticed that I thought that even though I thought it was quite clear.

aaaanyway I most def did not say to say you only said 1 shot because you didn't say that until like 8 hrs after we originally discussed your n2 target.

[MacDougall]

@ilario i reckon we should not kill porscha here. thoughts?

sadly, i agree

that was a joke

and yet you are voting her despite saying you shouldn't

weird times in camp ilario

[Alison]

Yeah it's true if she was gonna use it on Mac she would say that Mac is red checked if she dies so we could expose him

[MacDougall]

good luck with eod team I'll be unavailable

[santygrass]

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

@Belzy

[santygrass]

Gamer move tbh

[Seanzie]

good luck with eod team I'll be unavailable

What do you think about my case on Belzy?

Did you check her ISO when she first claimed to see if she crumbed?

[santygrass]

@Alison can you explain why you wanted me dead or sussed me before I made my case on you?

Other than sheeping aro I dont remember much reasonings from you. And you were sussing me since D1

[MacDougall]

good luck with eod team I'll be unavailable

What do you think about my case on Belzy?

Did you check her ISO when she first claimed to see if she crumbed?

it's fine

yes I did...

hence pressuring belzy to explain in chat and eventually outing them when their explanation wasn't da best

I don't think belzy is more than a coinflip

[dyachei]

I am pretty sure Mac is town and we are together voting for Millium, and Mac even have had a read list calling ilario scum too. Likey, likey.

this is also the only post where she calls mac town so...

ideal usage of the role is as a peek, not necessarily as a neighborhood. It's better to possibly clear someone who is in the POE or die to finding a wolf because a 1 to 1 exchange is always worth it to catch a wolf

[EnderWiggin]

I got what I wanted out of pushing Alison.

I'm back to my regularly scheduled programming.

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

y u back on alison instead of belsy who u were trying to convince me was wolf earlier?

When was I trying to convince you Belzy was wolf????

P sure I've mostly townread em

[EnderWiggin]

random question for my sanity

this is mostly directed at people who probably know mac the longest

@Alison @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @EnderWiggin

is there any possibility mac is still in wolfrange? he feels super towny but i do know that he has the ability to go super saiyan mode and have some insanely towny wolf games like the hydra game last year. is he 100% never a wolf? im a little wary because he kinda did help with the aro bury yesterday and today is burying alison but i really think alison is town but like w!mac would def prioritize getting aro/alison/spf out of the picture etc

95% town. I wanna put it higher but always give Mac the 5%.

The neighbourizer claim is probably the most important and depending how that resolved maybe revisit.

Outside Mech he has been more in town than in wolf ranges

[EnderWiggin]

He's good enough to snow me into this if wolf I guess but obviously I don't think he is rn

[EnderWiggin]

if mac is a wolf then the people he got emotional towards are more likely to be wolves btw

like mac LOVESS to do over the top theatre with his wolf buds. if mac or dya flips wolf then i can see the other being a wolf too

For what it's worth if Mac does flip wolf I agree with this meta

[MacDougall]

*taps the undertitle*

[MacDougall]

if belzy is town mac is green
if belzy is wolf mac is green for killing a wolf for no actual reason in the weirdest way
mac is townie anyway

mac is... wolf?

cmonnnnn

[MacDougall]

y'all are going to lose to wolf mac and like it

[MacDougall]

@EnderWiggin what scenario does the hood stuff play out in which mac is a wolf? for humour purposes

[EnderWiggin]

Eh, hard disagree. No one really has a skill issue. Everyone can be good if the game is in a style that engages them. Everyone is always bullshitting in a game of Mafia. Some people just put on a veneer thats shiner than others and claim they are good.

There are definitely players who are better or worse at a game of mafia and most people who deny this are trying to feel better about themselves

Sure, but you claim the gulf is massive (Hyperbole). I am claiming the gulf is imaginary and we're all just people who do better or worse some games or others.

There are people I see reliably put better performances in, and people I prefer playing alongside. There is difference in skill and things you can learn that improve your play.

[Millium]

Mac is always a wolf /s

[Seanzie]

if belzy is town mac is green
if belzy is wolf mac is green for killing a wolf for no actual reason in the weirdest way
mac is townie anyway

mac is... wolf?

cmonnnnn

I am quite enjoying play with my tinfoil sailboat that I made after considering the possibility that wolf!Belzy more-or-less gave up in wolf chat and wolf!you decided to capitalize on it with a fps weird-ass bussy thingy.

[Millium]

Still not certain what Betsy is even lying about
Never moved my vote to Betsy when I posted it in thread
Woops

[Millium]

if belzy is town mac is green
if belzy is wolf mac is green for killing a wolf for no actual reason in the weirdest way
mac is townie anyway

mac is... wolf?

cmonnnnn

I am quite enjoying play with my tinfoil sailboat that I made after considering the possibility that wolf!Belzy more-or-less gave up in wolf chat and wolf!you decided to capitalize on it with a fps weird-ass bussy thingy.

Has belzy ever given up before?