Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[ilario]

i think i have and i think ive played with u as town and wolf and trd u as my top town for the exact same reason. ill be completely honest, if it werent for dyas read on u and the fact i respect dyas reads highly u would probably be in my top towns currently.

What game have you seen me wolf?

I don't think you have.

were u wolf in last anni?

Never done a mash.

The one place it could have been was smiley mafia or whatever it was called, but that doesn't count. I like 5-posted and was too busy to even try so I just told my wolfmates to bus me d1 since I was going to be a potato.

that game rings a bell! was it jack who bussed u?

Oh yes you were in Smiley mafia. We got Seanzie D1 and then I threw the game by hard-tunnelling town!Nook

was meant to quote this post in my other post

[EnderWiggin]

Understandable have a bad day Ender smh

I'm at the end of a bad day does that count?

[santygrass]

Also I just have been rereading the Santy stuff and my concern comes from how nuanced the one specific progression is compared to the kinda pockety feel of how Santy has approached other slots.

I hold the right to change this back to a townread whenever my emotions decide to do this.

Maybe is related to the fact that Alison is the first player I did a ISO and just reevaled? Idk.
The 'pockety feeling' its how I always play mafia /shrug . You not knowing still is a Skill Issue on your part tbh

[santygrass]

Understandable have a bad day Ender smh

I'm at the end of a bad day does that count?

Your actions in the future affect the past. Zero Escape taught my that.

So yeah, it counts

[ilario]

hahahahah i remember that, was rondo in that game? i think he was bcus i remember a rondo game where he was hard tunneled at start but felt obv villa to me. this game he feels like a wolf who cant make towny posts and is relying on the fact people will give him a pass the first few days

Yes.

Rondo is given a pass by me because this is still in his townrange.

If he wants to do that as mafia sure but I'll catch him because he knows he can't keep that going longer than a few days without me grilling him.

But he'll also do this as town when either busy or just not caring. And he's started to get an interest in surviving late and turning the heat on later which probably plays into it.

i might start doing that too. game feels more enjoyable and achievable to solve later on

[EnderWiggin]

Also I just have been rereading the Santy stuff and my concern comes from how nuanced the one specific progression is compared to the kinda pockety feel of how Santy has approached other slots.

I hold the right to change this back to a townread whenever my emotions decide to do this.

Maybe is related to the fact that Alison is the first player I did a ISO and just reevaled? Idk.
The 'pockety feeling' its how I always play mafia /shrug . You not knowing still is a Skill Issue on your part tbh

If you think my reads on you are a skill issue you haven't seen me go full idiot.

[Seanzie]

hahahahah i remember that, was rondo in that game? i think he was bcus i remember a rondo game where he was hard tunneled at start but felt obv villa to me. this game he feels like a wolf who cant make towny posts and is relying on the fact people will give him a pass the first few days

I don't remember because I spent like 20 minutes active time on that game.

[Millium]

this site is wonderful

I generally find this site very amazing. Good community all around.

But like also yeah I do think some of this is going a bit too far

I'll keep my thoughts to myself on that matter, maybe I'll talk about it post game, maybe I won't

Glad to see that response from Mac either way

[EnderWiggin]

Understandable have a bad day Ender smh

I'm at the end of a bad day does that count?

Your actions in the future affect the past. Zero Escape taught my that.

So yeah, it counts

Excellent.

Quest finished: Have a bad day.

[ilario]

watching sevens older posts to try to bait me because he thinks im outed is pretty funny and probs not how he plays as a wolf. i agree with the assessment hes either town or 3p

[EnderWiggin]

this site is wonderful

I generally find this site very amazing. Good community all around.

But like also yeah I do think some of this is going a bit too far

I'll keep my thoughts to myself on that matter, maybe I'll talk about it post game, maybe I won't

Glad to see that response from Mac either way

Hey Wisp. Can I get you to look at my reads list and talk about how stupid I am?

I need more than Santy doing it, doesn't feel big enough.

[ilario]

hahahahah i remember that, was rondo in that game? i think he was bcus i remember a rondo game where he was hard tunneled at start but felt obv villa to me. this game he feels like a wolf who cant make towny posts and is relying on the fact people will give him a pass the first few days

I don't remember because I spent like 20 minutes active time on that game.

oh yeah that was at ender

[Millium]

I think Santy is tunneled regardless of Alison's alignment if that makes any sense

@santygrass
Idk what ur above statement has to do either Seanzie being a wolf. Unless it's like based on ur PoE

[Millium]

this site is wonderful

I generally find this site very amazing. Good community all around.

But like also yeah I do think some of this is going a bit too far

I'll keep my thoughts to myself on that matter, maybe I'll talk about it post game, maybe I won't

Glad to see that response from Mac either way

Hey Wisp. Can I get you to look at my reads list and talk about how stupid I am?

I need more than Santy doing it, doesn't feel big enough.

I'm on mobile and at work toll EoD, quote it for me

[ilario]

watching sevens older posts to try to bait me because he thinks im outed is pretty funny and probs not how he plays as a wolf. i agree with the assessment hes either town or 3p

be seven
be annoyed at people who always sr him every game
betrays illario for correctly finding him every game despite figuring out the key to reading me in semis and then forgetting it after

@Chamomile

[Millium]

SO betzy only responded in the neighbor chat? I'd rather not leave porscha to w/e this mechanic is but I trust Lily enough, to hope this isn't a half true, meaning it's not as strong as she is playing it off to be.

There is a possibility of Alison being with Betzy, she had this weird vote on Alison that felt forced

[ilario]

also, I had a sudden bout of regret for not doing it when I thought day was ending soon, so lets do it!

premise:
mafia chose to take away your choice to vote me.
this is likely for reasons people have said and that I think sound reasonable!
you don't like that. I don't like that either.
so let's do a little thing:
I wanna make myself a focus for the day by force!

let's divide thread into two sides.
Team Let's-Ml-Tilg-D3
and Team Let's-Not-Do-That

fun thing?
you can't exe me today anyways, so it doesn't matter too much which side you choose.
this is about reasoning & making yourself readable, and about not letting mafia choose what town does or doesn't get to do.

so to that effect, what I want from you is:

- Pick a side. either is fine.

- Explain why you picked the side you did. am I sus, why? am I not sus enough, why? am I town, why?

- Don't forget that you'll have to vote somebody out in 28 hours. you're welcome to use this and people's reasoning for that, but keep in mind it's not about which side people chose, it's about the reasoning they provide. town can be wrong, and mafia can be right!

- let's have fun. I'll be honest, I kinda enjoy this situation, even though this is most likely a super ego play right here. And regardless of what side you're on, we're currently playing a game together, so I hope you all are having fun too!

i will pick ur side and make a concerted effort to engage and solve u d3 if im alive and if u vote belzy with me today

[Seanzie]

speaking of santy, where did they go? I thought they were gearing up for a fight, but now they're just gone! (I know, there is this thing called real life that people sometimes incorrectly prioritize over mafia). I was looking forward to seeing where they would take their push on me.

[Millium]

Still sure Nanook is either mafia or 3rd party
/shrug

But I don't think he I'd a wolf is Alison is a wolf

[santygrass]

@Millium my point mostly in regards to Seanzie is somthing like that:

*If you read their D1, they pushed me quite a bit and seemed to be convinced I was a wolf .

*They hop in thread and see that Alison is both a wagon and that is retaliatory pushing me. (He claims to not have seen the spat but I think we were loud enough and poll with votes make it obvious anyways).

*Seanzie seeing that not caring to try to form an opinion on that discussion and picking to talk and 'prioritize' solving Belzy claim/alignment I think is a bad look if Belzy is town. And like a hard approach to the game to believe for me.

Because he claims missing the spat and stuff, but he picked on the dya/him difference check and its usually attentive to the things related to them. So I find their approach / line of thought this game hard to believe.

Also I agree that I am not rescinding the Alison scumread prob never at this point. Who would've thought that misrepping a hard push and try to gaslight could be towny wowee

[santygrass]

speaking of santy, where did they go? I thought they were gearing up for a fight, but now they're just gone! (I know, there is this thing called real life that people sometimes incorrectly prioritize over mafia). I was looking forward to seeing where they would take their push on me.

Nice x-post. I was showering!

[EnderWiggin]

Lock Town:
MacDougall

Lock Town with an Asterisk:
Neon
ilario


I kinda townread them:
Lilypetal
Seanzie
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Shrug townread:
Millium
Belzy
RondoDimBuckle

I have changed my mind a few times and can resolve this later:
dyachei

I kinda wolfread them:
Allison
Chamomile
santygrass

I think this is wolf but so does everyone so I have doubts:
Porscha
Tilgarial

@Millium

[santygrass]

@ilario vote Alison with me. I think Alison is correct that yeeting one of us ir correct today, because otherwise this show will get into D3 as well. And I dont think is good for threadstate if it makes any sense .

Like, you are putting Alison as town despite their blatant Wolfsiding D1 , and their counterback push when called about it 'being tunneled' to excuse the inclusion of blatant lies and misreps on it?
Like for Alison who is a player that wants to murder towns who are a liability doesnt feel like their town game at all tbh

[santygrass]

Also @Seanzie what happened to your read on Dya? Since people started calling it a diff check it seemed like your scumread there rescinded

[Seanzie]

@Millium my point mostly in regards to Seanzie is somthing like that:

*If you read their D1, they pushed me quite a bit and seemed to be convinced I was a wolf .

*They hop in thread and see that Alison is both a wagon and that is retaliatory pushing me. (He claims to not have seen the spat but I think we were loud enough and poll with votes make it obvious anyways).

*Seanzie seeing that not caring to try to form an opinion on that discussion and picking to talk and 'prioritize' solving Belzy claim/alignment I think is a bad look if Belzy is town. And like a hard approach to the game to believe for me.

Because he claims missing the spat and stuff, but he picked on the dya/him difference check and its usually attentive to the things related to them. So I find their approach / line of thought this game hard to believe.

Also I agree that I am not rescinding the Alison scumread prob never at this point. Who would've thought that misrepping a hard push and try to gaslight could be towny wowee

Never read back, never surrender!

(said in the voice of Tim Allen from Galaxy Quest, but also in a parallel universe where Tim Allen stayed the Tim Allen from my childhood, and didn't become the more modern version of Tim Allen)

[santygrass]

@ilario vote Alison with me. I think Alison is correct that yeeting one of us ir correct today, because otherwise this show will get into D3 as well. And I dont think is good for threadstate if it makes any sense .

Like, you are putting Alison as town despite their blatant Wolfsiding D1 , and their counterback push when called about it 'being tunneled' to excuse the inclusion of blatant lies and misreps on it?
Like for Alison who is a player that wants to murder towns who are a liability doesnt feel like their town game at all tbh

@Lilypetal @Neon Same applies tbhtbh

[Seanzie]

Also @Seanzie what happened to your read on Dya? Since people started calling it a diff check it seemed like your scumread there rescinded

Yeah, I realized that the "difference check" was reasonably likely wolf propaganda. Dya's read on me is reasonable based on how they've seen me play, and so once I realized that and once I saw how often "difference check" was being echoed in regards to us, I though it was more likely tvt with wolves standing at the sidelines trying to get a double town chop.

[santygrass]

@Millium my point mostly in regards to Seanzie is somthing like that:

*If you read their D1, they pushed me quite a bit and seemed to be convinced I was a wolf .

*They hop in thread and see that Alison is both a wagon and that is retaliatory pushing me. (He claims to not have seen the spat but I think we were loud enough and poll with votes make it obvious anyways).

*Seanzie seeing that not caring to try to form an opinion on that discussion and picking to talk and 'prioritize' solving Belzy claim/alignment I think is a bad look if Belzy is town. And like a hard approach to the game to believe for me.

Because he claims missing the spat and stuff, but he picked on the dya/him difference check and its usually attentive to the things related to them. So I find their approach / line of thought this game hard to believe.

Also I agree that I am not rescinding the Alison scumread prob never at this point. Who would've thought that misrepping a hard push and try to gaslight could be towny wowee

Never read back, never surrender!

(said in the voice of Tim Allen from Galaxy Quest, but also in a parallel universe where Tim Allen stayed the Tim Allen from my childhood, and didn't become the more modern version of Tim Allen)

When I refer to approach not making sense, I am taking into account a 'never read back' stuff.

Seeing Alison votes I expect you to ask about it / feels who is th woof between me and Alison or something along those lines. But you not showing care there and picking on Belzy is what is pingy and super wolfy in a scenario where Porscha/Alison are mafia and Belzy is town

[santygrass]

Also @Seanzie what happened to your read on Dya? Since people started calling it a diff check it seemed like your scumread there rescinded

Yeah, I realized that the "difference check" was reasonably likely wolf propaganda. Dya's read on me is reasonable based on how they've seen me play, and so once I realized that and once I saw how often "difference check" was being echoed in regards to us, I though it was more likely tvt with wolves standing at the sidelines trying to get a double town chop.

I think both me and Mac were the people who echoed it more. And we are kinda obvtowns (at least Mac, and if you dont see me as obvtown Skill Issue) . Apart from us two, you recall someone else trying to push that narrative that pinged you?

[Seanzie]

@Millium my point mostly in regards to Seanzie is somthing like that:

*If you read their D1, they pushed me quite a bit and seemed to be convinced I was a wolf .

*They hop in thread and see that Alison is both a wagon and that is retaliatory pushing me. (He claims to not have seen the spat but I think we were loud enough and poll with votes make it obvious anyways).

*Seanzie seeing that not caring to try to form an opinion on that discussion and picking to talk and 'prioritize' solving Belzy claim/alignment I think is a bad look if Belzy is town. And like a hard approach to the game to believe for me.

Because he claims missing the spat and stuff, but he picked on the dya/him difference check and its usually attentive to the things related to them. So I find their approach / line of thought this game hard to believe.

Also I agree that I am not rescinding the Alison scumread prob never at this point. Who would've thought that misrepping a hard push and try to gaslight could be towny wowee

Never read back, never surrender!

(said in the voice of Tim Allen from Galaxy Quest, but also in a parallel universe where Tim Allen stayed the Tim Allen from my childhood, and didn't become the more modern version of Tim Allen)

When I refer to approach not making sense, I am taking into account a 'never read back' stuff.

Seeing Alison votes I expect you to ask about it / feels who is th woof between me and Alison or something along those lines. But you not showing care there and picking on Belzy is what is pingy and super wolfy in a scenario where Porscha/Alison are mafia and Belzy is town

Yeah, and your actions now are super wolfy in a scenerio where Seanzie is town and Belzy is a wolf.

See? Anyone can add a bunch of unverified assumptions and make a player look bad.

[EnderWiggin]

I hate difference check as a read and most of the time it's so incorrect.

[santygrass]

I said that is pingy regardless of Belzy alignment.
In V!Belzy is straight up wolfy.

I dont think my questioning of you is wolfy no matter what alignment you or Belzy are

[santygrass]

I think the diff check as a read most of the times is misused but using gamestate and PoE it can be a GOATED read tbh.

Blindly seeing two players argue and calling it a diff check is bad.

But if you have a reduced PoE and two players are unpaired, more often than not the diff check read there will be accurate

[Seanzie]

Also @Seanzie what happened to your read on Dya? Since people started calling it a diff check it seemed like your scumread there rescinded

Yeah, I realized that the "difference check" was reasonably likely wolf propaganda. Dya's read on me is reasonable based on how they've seen me play, and so once I realized that and once I saw how often "difference check" was being echoed in regards to us, I though it was more likely tvt with wolves standing at the sidelines trying to get a double town chop.

I think both me and Mac were the people who echoed it more. And we are kinda obvtowns (at least Mac, and if you dont see me as obvtown Skill Issue) . Apart from us two, you recall someone else trying to push that narrative that pinged you?

I'd recommend changing you vernacular. "skill issue" is kind of insulting IMO.

I think Mac is probably town, but saying he is obvtown is silly, dude's one of the best mafiosos ever. He's been a bit easier to spot in, say, the last year, but if you don't think he has the potential to snow still, skill issue.

As for you, meh. I have no thoughts yet.

A lot of other people have been echoing the difference check. Ilario is one that has been on my mind personally.

[Seanzie]

I said that is pingy regardless of Belzy alignment.
In V!Belzy is straight up wolfy.

I dont think my questioning of you is wolfy no matter what alignment you or Belzy are

I don't think my interest in Belzy is wolfy no matter what alignment anyone is, so we are again at an impasse.

[EnderWiggin]

I think the diff check as a read most of the times is misused but using gamestate and PoE it can be a GOATED read tbh.

Blindly seeing two players argue and calling it a diff check is bad.

But if you have a reduced PoE and two players are unpaired, more often than not the diff check read there will be accurate

I'm going to cite Nanook in saying most gamestate reads are kinda shite.

Also sure I'll agree with that diff check but also that doesn't apply here so meh

[EnderWiggin]

Seanzie, Mac is town because desperado neighbouriser claim

[EnderWiggin]

Which isn't w/w

[EnderWiggin]

Either Belzy is town and telling the truth, or wolf and has no reason to do that to a partner

[EnderWiggin]

Has zero to do with Mac's skill

[ilario]

I got what I wanted out of pushing Alison.

I'm back to my regularly scheduled programming.

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

y u back on alison instead of belsy who u were trying to convince me was wolf earlier?

[ilario]

i think alison is very villa the more i read her posts but i dont wanna piss off people who think otherwise but i still feel that it needs to be said

[Seanzie]

Seanzie, Mac is town because desperado neighbouriser claim

It's actually weak neighborizer, but yeah, I suppose you're likely right. I'd like to actually hear from Belzy, but sure.

[ilario]

random question for my sanity

this is mostly directed at people who probably know mac the longest

@Alison @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @EnderWiggin

is there any possibility mac is still in wolfrange? he feels super towny but i do know that he has the ability to go super saiyan mode and have some insanely towny wolf games like the hydra game last year. is he 100% never a wolf? im a little wary because he kinda did help with the aro bury yesterday and today is burying alison but i really think alison is town but like w!mac would def prioritize getting aro/alison/spf out of the picture etc

[ilario]

oh but then if betsy is wolf mac probs isnt wolf?

[Seanzie]

Ehh.. I think these worlds are very unlikely, but two possibilities to explain Mac/Belzy in a wolf!Mac world would be

1. Town!Belzy said something in a weird phrasing that wolf!Mac twisted to say Town!Belzy is a weak neighborizer when she isn't and Mac is trying to exploit that.

2. wolf!Belzy has given up and wolf!Mac is capitalizing on that by doing a fps bus.

Neither particularly likely, but it was a fun academic exercise.

[ilario]

and mac has kinda tried to push me at times but usually u need atleast 3-4 villas hard inting or someone like an achro inting with the force of 3-4 villas to get traction on me

[ilario]

if mac is a wolf then the people he got emotional towards are more likely to be wolves btw

[ilario]

fuck man i need more time to solve this

@santygrass can u pls pay me some respect and not go for alison today.

[ilario]

if mac is a wolf then the people he got emotional towards are more likely to be wolves btw

like mac LOVESS to do over the top theatre with his wolf buds. if mac or dya flips wolf then i can see the other being a wolf too