Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[Lilypetal]

Neon is town. I can say this with a lot of certainty after catching up. I will remember this neon for all future games

Please don't. I don't want to have to try this hard in all my games.

uh this isn't off of effort or anything

Oh god.

idk what u took from this but I specifically have noticed the towntell that iaafr mentioned in the sabi invitational dvc that wasn't present from that game that you have now demonstrated here

What is it!?

One Piece Red

the ilario tunnel specifically and tbh her treatment of aro as well

[Tilgarial]

Think its discussion for D1 , but it was an empty sheep on an already hallow argument from spf.
You said the thing about forcing yourself to vote, and I confirmed that indeed it looked forced fmpov and I cant read that as towny

what about it was wolfy, though?
not towny =/= wolfy

agreed idc abt ur vote

what's a couple reads you'd be willing to discuss?
I have no clue where you stand right now that's probably partially because I don't think I've read very many of your posts >.>

[Tilgarial]

The best way we can honour the memories of our fallen loved ones is to maintain a pleasant environment of caring for ourselves and each other.

Deep breaths.

Trolling and insulting, even jokingly, and chaos posting will provoke irrational responses from townies. Calm lines of questioning, an open mind and kindness in all things.

This is the way.

Namaste.

Please don't approach me with anything but warmth and love or I will deny you access to my being.

I like mac
this is not a read (though I do townread him rn)

[Lilypetal]

is it common for Sean to post like this?

Yeah it is

I love how people can just respond like this with a straight face
like everything is fine

if that is the case, what am I looking for in their posts to find their alignment

I'd recommend just checking if I have a pelt on D3 or not. If I do, you'll likely be able to tell it wasn't a bus, and so I'll be soft-cleared.

in catch up btw so i'm quite far behidn but

since how is this the best way to read you

I don't know if I fully understand what you're asking, but this has always been a good way to find me. There are other good ways too, but I usually have a pelt pretty early as town, and if I don't, I'm either wolf or wrong town, so killing me isn't necessarily bad.

k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.

I kinda hate your answers but based on the 1 game you wolfed against me I don't think wolf sean make these type of responses either, so

is it common for Sean to post like this?

Yeah it is

I love how people can just respond like this with a straight face
like everything is fine

if that is the case, what am I looking for in their posts to find their alignment

can literally anyone explain to me why aro sr'd me past my read on lily

Was there any reason to not scumread you past that?

it's a BS reason to ride my ass for 25+ pages, undoubtedly without a doubt no shadow of a doubt

Could also vote Aro's mason partner.

?????

These read very w/w to me. I am pretty sure porscha is struggling to not TMI Seanzie as a wolf.

[Lilypetal]

Yeah it is

I love how people can just respond like this with a straight face
like everything is fine

if that is the case, what am I looking for in their posts to find their alignment

I'd recommend just checking if I have a pelt on D3 or not. If I do, you'll likely be able to tell it wasn't a bus, and so I'll be soft-cleared.

in catch up btw so i'm quite far behidn but

since how is this the best way to read you

I don't know if I fully understand what you're asking, but this has always been a good way to find me. There are other good ways too, but I usually have a pelt pretty early as town, and if I don't, I'm either wolf or wrong town, so killing me isn't necessarily bad.

k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.

I kinda hate your answers but based on the 1 game you wolfed against me I don't think wolf sean make these type of responses either, so

is it common for Sean to post like this?

Yeah it is

I love how people can just respond like this with a straight face
like everything is fine

if that is the case, what am I looking for in their posts to find their alignment

can literally anyone explain to me why aro sr'd me past my read on lily

Was there any reason to not scumread you past that?

it's a BS reason to ride my ass for 25+ pages, undoubtedly without a doubt no shadow of a doubt

Could also vote Aro's mason partner.

?????

These read very w/w to me. I am pretty sure porscha is struggling to not TMI Seanzie as a wolf.

fixed

[Lilypetal]

fuck i didnt fix it why is it in the QUOTES

[Lilypetal]

whatever read the shitty post and tell me the teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

[Millium]

More than 'I wasnt an obv yeet' I think it looks bad because is super -ev using a role like that on town for mafia.
Because if you are town, they are literally removing a misyeet candidate and make it more likely for another mafia to get yeeted

It's all Wifom. A public role is dangerous for mafia, cause people will try to read into

1. Either tilg is lying
2. A wolf targeted tilg
3. A Town targeted tilg of which they are not outting, and it's a pretty dangerous role
4. It might be a passive from whom tolg targeted if they targeted someone, still dangerous to not out

Honestly I think this mostly leads to a wolf holding the role than anything, whether that be tilg themselves, or someone else holding it. Because not claiming it, is -ev for town, and especially dangerous if it doesn't have restrictions.

[Lilypetal]

Think its discussion for D1 , but it was an empty sheep on an already hallow argument from spf.
You said the thing about forcing yourself to vote, and I confirmed that indeed it looked forced fmpov and I cant read that as towny

what about it was wolfy, though?
not towny =/= wolfy

agreed idc abt ur vote

what's a couple reads you'd be willing to discuss?
I have no clue where you stand right now that's probably partially because I don't think I've read very many of your posts >.>

as of rn in order

TOWN

Santy / Mac / Neon / Ilario / Chamomile / Millium

Town lean

Rondo

Scum

Seanzie / Porscha

Alison mby scum but not fully sold yet.

[Millium]

Where is it implied that Alison's role is strong, other than by their own words, which should mean very little.

[Millium]

Back to work I go

[Seanzie]

whatever read the shitty post and tell me the teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

The teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

[Lilypetal]

whatever read the shitty post and tell me the teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

The teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

oh wow that sure clears it up

[Tilgarial]

Spoiler: show

Yeah it is

I love how people can just respond like this with a straight face
like everything is fine

if that is the case, what am I looking for in their posts to find their alignment

I'd recommend just checking if I have a pelt on D3 or not. If I do, you'll likely be able to tell it wasn't a bus, and so I'll be soft-cleared.

in catch up btw so i'm quite far behidn but

since how is this the best way to read you

I don't know if I fully understand what you're asking, but this has always been a good way to find me. There are other good ways too, but I usually have a pelt pretty early as town, and if I don't, I'm either wolf or wrong town, so killing me isn't necessarily bad.

k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.

I kinda hate your answers but based on the 1 game you wolfed against me I don't think wolf sean make these type of responses either, so

is it common for Sean to post like this?

Yeah it is

I love how people can just respond like this with a straight face
like everything is fine

if that is the case, what am I looking for in their posts to find their alignment

can literally anyone explain to me why aro sr'd me past my read on lily

Was there any reason to not scumread you past that?

it's a BS reason to ride my ass for 25+ pages, undoubtedly without a doubt no shadow of a doubt

Could also vote Aro's mason partner.

?????

These read very w/w to me. I am pretty sure porscha is struggling to not TMI Seanzie as a wolf.

I was gonna say, this is almost exclusively porscha -> sean
especially the second one seems off to me, tbh
not sure how much that actually implicates sean, though.
I'm kinda townreading him off of the perspective on the santy case from EOD
I can prolly quote that, gimme a sec

[Seanzie]

whatever read the shitty post and tell me the teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

The teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

oh wow that sure clears it up

Hey, I'm just doing what you asked.

But yeah, since you are specifically talking about Porscha's words, I don't have much to say other than that I know they aren't w/w. If you want to talk about it, I am here, but I have little to say if your only reason to wolfread me is because of someone else's words, there isn't anything for me to engage with and clear up there.

[Tilgarial]

whatever read the shitty post and tell me the teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

The teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

what do you think about porscha in general/in those quotes?

[Chamomile]

Neon is town. I can say this with a lot of certainty after catching up. I will remember this neon for all future games

Please don't. I don't want to have to try this hard in all my games.

uh this isn't off of effort or anything

Oh god.

idk what u took from this but I specifically have noticed the towntell that iaafr mentioned in the sabi invitational dvc that wasn't present from that game that you have now demonstrated here

What is it!?

One Piece Red

the ilario tunnel specifically and tbh her treatment of aro as well

Can you elaborate on the tell and the context you were made aware of it? Was she aware that iaafr used this tell?

!!!

[Lilypetal]

whatever read the shitty post and tell me the teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

The teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

oh wow that sure clears it up

Hey, I'm just doing what you asked.

But yeah, since you are specifically talking about Porscha's words, I don't have much to say other than that I know they aren't w/w. If you want to talk about it, I am here, but I have little to say if your only reason to wolfread me is because of someone else's words, there isn't anything for me to engage with and clear up there.

I just wanted to do some work prior to knowing Porscha's alignment. When we have more info there will be more to do but I found it odd looking at her iso and wanted to point it out

[Tilgarial]

@Seanzie How do you feel about me?

Standing Emoji

One part of me wants to just ignore Seanzie, but Im too much of a nice guy and totally dismiss their read on me would be rude methinks

Well, I'm not. So Skill Issue there

Like, I can explain or go into more detail my Neon tr , or why I vibed with spf/ilario takes but I feel like its kinda clear in my ISO?
Like, usually I can kinda understand why people scumread me, but I kinda feel that I have been obvtowning kinda hard this game. I have made my statements clear and see people give the lazy 'feels TMI' read when they have played with me before as town and know this is a shit take tbh.

Lik cmon @Lilypetal you said that I couldnt townread you off of 5 posts, when the reason I expressed I thought you were town is because two of my scumreads were voting you, when you were in a lhf position? Ffs if anyone seriously think thats a tmi type of read they have to check their skill issue right now

The read on Neon is kinda super clear too why I gave it. Like, a strong meld on the takes, and the way Neon preseted those takes (irt to aro and Tilga) to the thread was super obvtown? Like, not wanting to show 'I have these reads' , but rather implying them at the start and being lowkey about it in the midst of their fluff posting, its just super towny to me.

And like, I only have 2 games with Neon . The Misplay one and the Mash. @MacDougall was in both, so cmparing those two , I think its kinda obvious why I would see this style of posting more towny of Neon? Like, Im not calling Neon polarized because I clearly lack meta, but its and indicator + the melding + the approach in how they take the game irt their read was just super towny.

@staypositivefriend also should know that I mostly base my reads on how I think a player is approaching the game, and that usually leads me to giving confident reads, specially townreads that are usually right (not always. But thats why reassessing exists. ). Like spf you were spectating finale, and one lf the reasons specchat tunneled me was the confidence I had in against tje consensus reads that they were right (aka my Ephemera tow read, which was confident from early and was right. Wowee! ) .


So I think the 'zzanty with reads that feel like TMI' is Lazy and reeking Skill Issue tbh. And something a wolf can easily hop in to boost.

With the latter I am thinking of @arogame123 which mentioned me as possible mafia while doing no effort in trying to interact with me imo , and I was personally expecting more effort in their part in regards to my slot because we are both One Piece Fans tbhtbh

What is your read on me? How do you think I'm approaching the game?

The way you treated your vote / approach feels natural atm, but its not something I can do much atm

To reply more to the approach part.

Feel like an approach that doesnt care to *explain* much why they think some stuff? And a kinda bold but not loud one.

I mostly refer to this with being kinda lurking and be obvious about it, how you vote but not make much of a push, and it feels *natural* because it is in lin with how you just put the colored list and also dont care to give explanations about ut.

So looking at the string of posts I see how the approach adds up and feels good, but not so much of how many is alignment indicative.

Like, the way you said 'I would vote santy rn' without voting me felt pretty based. And then you ended voting me. That felt kinda towny to me, but at the same time could be a misread and that just being your playstyle. Because at the end you are voting towm there /shrug

Read these posts and tell me this person does not know I'm town.

They are bending over backwards to find a way to cast my approach as "natural" without ever considering for a second that I'm a wolf trying to make them wolfprey.

"part of me just wants to ignore Seanzie" aka they do not consider my push on them possibly coming from a wolf, instead they just want to dismiss an incorrect townie.

"skill issue there" they do not consider that I could be purposefully reading them mafia to get them to flip, they only consider that I might be a wrong townie with a skill issue.

The final post I quote, almost every sentence is "Seanzie is townie, but I don't want to say that out loud".

They clearly know I'm town, and the fact that they do not include me in their towreads makes it so this is TMI.

@Lilypetal here. the perspective is quite comprehensive & to my eyes it looks like they actually believe this, so I'd be interested in what you think about this

also while scrolling through the ISO I saw them shielding Belzy. didn't read enough to figure out why/if it's still a thing, but it might interest you

[Lilypetal]

Please don't. I don't want to have to try this hard in all my games.

uh this isn't off of effort or anything

Oh god.

idk what u took from this but I specifically have noticed the towntell that iaafr mentioned in the sabi invitational dvc that wasn't present from that game that you have now demonstrated here

What is it!?

One Piece Red

the ilario tunnel specifically and tbh her treatment of aro as well

Can you elaborate on the tell and the context you were made aware of it? Was she aware that iaafr used this tell?

!!!

I just finished a game against w!neon who I was snowed by. In retrospect she wasn't solving alignments quite like how v!neon should. I am not sure how aware she was of her tells but the game ended like 2 days ago and was ongoing when this game began so I think it's safe to say she prolly isn't that aware.

Basically just read her interactions with Ilario and come to your own conclusion. Neon as town tunnels really hard @santygrass can agree from recent experience, and imo that's how neon went about her Ilario reads and interactions. Having seen her wonderful scum game right next to this game it's very easy for me to see how much more towny she is here.

[Alison]

Where is it implied that Alison's role is strong, other than by their own words, which should mean very little.

I think it's a fairly strong role. Others might disagree. It's not clear-cut.

But also this is an extremely silly question. I soft claim a role, you ask how we know the role is strong other than by my words... my words are the only thing you have to go off with regards to your beliefs about the role. You wouldn't even know about the vote gimmick if not for me claiming it. It's like a cop saying "I have a red check on Wisp" and you going "where is it implied that the red check exists, other than by the cop's own words, which should mean very little".

[Lilypetal]

Spoiler: show

@Seanzie How do you feel about me?

Standing Emoji

One part of me wants to just ignore Seanzie, but Im too much of a nice guy and totally dismiss their read on me would be rude methinks

Well, I'm not. So Skill Issue there

Like, I can explain or go into more detail my Neon tr , or why I vibed with spf/ilario takes but I feel like its kinda clear in my ISO?
Like, usually I can kinda understand why people scumread me, but I kinda feel that I have been obvtowning kinda hard this game. I have made my statements clear and see people give the lazy 'feels TMI' read when they have played with me before as town and know this is a shit take tbh.

Lik cmon @Lilypetal you said that I couldnt townread you off of 5 posts, when the reason I expressed I thought you were town is because two of my scumreads were voting you, when you were in a lhf position? Ffs if anyone seriously think thats a tmi type of read they have to check their skill issue right now

The read on Neon is kinda super clear too why I gave it. Like, a strong meld on the takes, and the way Neon preseted those takes (irt to aro and Tilga) to the thread was super obvtown? Like, not wanting to show 'I have these reads' , but rather implying them at the start and being lowkey about it in the midst of their fluff posting, its just super towny to me.

And like, I only have 2 games with Neon . The Misplay one and the Mash. @MacDougall was in both, so cmparing those two , I think its kinda obvious why I would see this style of posting more towny of Neon? Like, Im not calling Neon polarized because I clearly lack meta, but its and indicator + the melding + the approach in how they take the game irt their read was just super towny.

@staypositivefriend also should know that I mostly base my reads on how I think a player is approaching the game, and that usually leads me to giving confident reads, specially townreads that are usually right (not always. But thats why reassessing exists. ). Like spf you were spectating finale, and one lf the reasons specchat tunneled me was the confidence I had in against tje consensus reads that they were right (aka my Ephemera tow read, which was confident from early and was right. Wowee! ) .


So I think the 'zzanty with reads that feel like TMI' is Lazy and reeking Skill Issue tbh. And something a wolf can easily hop in to boost.

With the latter I am thinking of @arogame123 which mentioned me as possible mafia while doing no effort in trying to interact with me imo , and I was personally expecting more effort in their part in regards to my slot because we are both One Piece Fans tbhtbh

What is your read on me? How do you think I'm approaching the game?

The way you treated your vote / approach feels natural atm, but its not something I can do much atm

To reply more to the approach part.

Feel like an approach that doesnt care to *explain* much why they think some stuff? And a kinda bold but not loud one.

I mostly refer to this with being kinda lurking and be obvious about it, how you vote but not make much of a push, and it feels *natural* because it is in lin with how you just put the colored list and also dont care to give explanations about ut.

So looking at the string of posts I see how the approach adds up and feels good, but not so much of how many is alignment indicative.

Like, the way you said 'I would vote santy rn' without voting me felt pretty based. And then you ended voting me. That felt kinda towny to me, but at the same time could be a misread and that just being your playstyle. Because at the end you are voting towm there /shrug

Read these posts and tell me this person does not know I'm town.

They are bending over backwards to find a way to cast my approach as "natural" without ever considering for a second that I'm a wolf trying to make them wolfprey.

"part of me just wants to ignore Seanzie" aka they do not consider my push on them possibly coming from a wolf, instead they just want to dismiss an incorrect townie.

"skill issue there" they do not consider that I could be purposefully reading them mafia to get them to flip, they only consider that I might be a wrong townie with a skill issue.

The final post I quote, almost every sentence is "Seanzie is townie, but I don't want to say that out loud".

They clearly know I'm town, and the fact that they do not include me in their towreads makes it so this is TMI.

@Lilypetal here. the perspective is quite comprehensive & to my eyes it looks like they actually believe this, so I'd be interested in what you think about this

also while scrolling through the ISO I saw them shielding Belzy. didn't read enough to figure out why/if it's still a thing, but it might interest you
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It's interesting for sure. I'll keep this in mind ty

[Lilypetal]

oh oops i didnt spoiler it all properly im messing up bad today with formatting

[Alison]

You are hard bussing Tilg who can not be yeeted and your Push on Porscha is close to non existent

I am currently the only person voting Porscha.

Why aren't you voting her?

If I'm scum bussing her then she flips red.

If you're wrong and I'm town then I'm probably correct about her.

Answer: because Porscha is your teammate and you want my green flip and not her red flip.

[Alison]

1) Because you have to. There's no other viable nightkill.

2) You did nothing to influence the votes.

There's a lot of players here, and I'm not good at NKA/planning NK's, but I'd actually say it's relatively easy to come up with alternatives
you, for one, since you claim selfresolvable. mac, since they seem to be keeping the thread together somewhat and are townread enough. lily maybe, depending on how the thread actually reads that slot rn. pretty sure your current solve includes none of those? I dunno actually, but I hope your solve doesn't include yourself
and this is just what I can think of off of the top of my head, so meh

I'd say I voted aro at a pivotal point tbh. like yeah it was the wrong one, but I still very much claim responsibility for causing that cascade of votes there. had I voted porscha or millium there, both options that very much stood open to me - actually, if I were wolf!tilg, maybe even more than the aro vote - I could have put some more thread pressure on those wagons, and at the very least things would have developed very differently. Wolf!tilg would have also been in a position to defend aro there, actually, so I'd very much say that a wolf!tilg here directly chose to off both SPF and aro, which from my PoV doesn't make sense in part due to the very thing you bring up

(sorry for making wallposts)

It is silly to suggest Lily would be nightkilled over SPF unless there was mech in play. Mac and myself are possibilities but we had just spearheaded the aro exe while SPF did not. So she is strictly superior to us as an NK considering we all had similar reads.

I don't think your vote on aro was pivotal at all.

[Alison]

Flipping Porscha is a win win because she has the most entertaining reactions when she is wrongfully killed for no reason so even if she is town we get some value out of it.

OTOH we should vote the guy that is actually mafia if we want to win.

This is a lowkey shield on Porscha fwiw

I expect Porscha to catch at least 2 wolves by D3 if we let her live.

Voters: Millium, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, EnderWiggin, ilario

Two lock wolves, a permanent memver of the POE, a top town, and a shrug slot.

Catch me on this wagon never.

Okay I am turning a new leaf

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

this should solidify town santy tbh he went from alison lock town to alison lock wolf in like 16 hours and had genuine progression

"Mafia are never opportunistic" - Lilypetal

[Alison]

see? even seanzie doesn't think he's been his usual self in the games. so why is alison v reading him so strongly

He is just polarized and I am good at reading him.

[Alison]

see? even seanzie doesn't think he's been his usual self in the games. so why is alison v reading him so strongly

I mean, I wouldn't really say I'm being unusual, instead just different than the games I've played with you. If you compare me to what I've looked like since I got my new job, you might see that your meta on me is just outdated.

But yeah, Alison's strong townread of me has started to weird me out as well. She does tend to be good at reading me, but I don't see a lot of evidence that she has actually read me at this point.

This is exactly what you said to Mac in KOTH when he read you correctly.

[Alison]

I don't think we should use the not being able to vote tilg thing to say tilg is mafia. I think if you have an independent read there, fine, but not being able to vote there is not necessarily because tilg's a wolf

I think it is >>rand wolf because I think the poll ghoster would have claimed by now if they were town and mafia is way more likely to use their action on a scumbuddy.

But I have a scumread on Tilg independent of that anyway.

[Chamomile]

/Rodo

I wont be here for deadline so I'm going to sheep Ilario. Also I'm going to be out of town the 9th - 13th so wont be active during that period!

Ilario ping me if your vote changes!

[Lilypetal]

Flipping Porscha is a win win because she has the most entertaining reactions when she is wrongfully killed for no reason so even if she is town we get some value out of it.

OTOH we should vote the guy that is actually mafia if we want to win.

This is a lowkey shield on Porscha fwiw

I expect Porscha to catch at least 2 wolves by D3 if we let her live.

Voters: Millium, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, EnderWiggin, ilario

Two lock wolves, a permanent memver of the POE, a top town, and a shrug slot.

Catch me on this wagon never.

Okay I am turning a new leaf

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

this should solidify town santy tbh he went from alison lock town to alison lock wolf in like 16 hours and had genuine progression

"Mafia are never opportunistic" - Lilypetal

this is a very santy specific read but yeah i totally said that

[santygrass]

You are hard bussing Tilg who can not be yeeted and your Push on Porscha is close to non existent

I am currently the only person voting Porscha.

Why aren't you voting her?

If I'm scum bussing her then she flips red.

If you're wrong and I'm town then I'm probably correct about her.

Answer: because Porscha is your teammate and you want my green flip and not her red flip.

I was voting her for most of this day. But you didn even care about it to remember because you are not caring in pushing Porscha. You have your vote there parked like dead weight.

I moved it because Lily claimed that she could solve Porscha alignment and its better to leave Porscha to Lily

[Alison]

Oh, there's mech on Porscha, is there?

Well, Tilgarial can't be voted, Porscha gets resolved, so I guess I'll move to my third most confident scumread.

[VOTE: Santygrass] aubergine

[Seanzie]

whatever read the shitty post and tell me the teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

The teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

what do you think about porscha in general/in those quotes?

Porscha is south-of-null for me, but I don't feel so strongly about it that I'mma start canvasing for her elim.

I felt weird about the Porscha wagon as EoD was getting close yesterday and felt a bit better about Millium, but kind of think that if Millium is town, Porscha's wolf equity grows a lot.

As for those posts, I didn't think much about the at the time, but now I kind of think perhaps it could be wolf!Porscha trying not to draw my suspicion. She has usually had a good read on me in the past, being one of the few people who really caught me (and died for it) in my last wolf game, and usually finding me town, so it is possible she is bending over backwards to townread me there in order to not make me wonder why she is reading me wrong this game. If I put my confbias glasses on, the "????" kinda reeks of a wolf who is caught up via wolfchat (so no mention of masons in wolf chat -> surprised about me mentioning masons because they didn't read EoD1). I don't remember the other teal olored post and I am phone posting so meh no comment there.

So yeah, bad feelz about the Porscha wagon and general bad feelz about how EoD1 happened gives me pause, but on play Porscha doesn't look good. Still think solving Millium is the single thing that will do the most good though.

[Seanzie]

whatever read the shitty post and tell me the teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

The teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

what do you think about porscha in general/in those quotes?

Porscha is south-of-null for me, but I don't feel so strongly about it that I'mma start canvasing for her elim.

I felt weird about the Porscha wagon as EoD was getting close yesterday and felt a bit better about Millium, but kind of think that if Millium is town, Porscha's wolf equity grows a lot.

As for those posts, I didn't think much about the at the time, but now I kind of think perhaps it could be wolf!Porscha trying not to draw my suspicion. She has usually had a good read on me in the past, being one of the few people who really caught me (and died for it) in my last wolf game, and usually finding me town, so it is possible she is bending over backwards to townread me there in order to not make me wonder why she is reading me wrong this game. If I put my confbias glasses on, the "????" kinda reeks of a wolf who is caught up via wolfchat (so no mention of masons in wolf chat -> surprised about me mentioning masons because they didn't read EoD1). I don't remember the other teal olored post and I am phone posting so meh no comment there.

So yeah, bad feelz about the Porscha wagon and general bad feelz about how EoD1 happened gives me pause, but on play Porscha doesn't look good. Still think solving Millium is the single thing that will do the most good though.

[Lilypetal]

damn tilg said i was a possible nk

what an honor

is that straight from wolfchat?

[Alison]

Flipping Porscha is a win win because she has the most entertaining reactions when she is wrongfully killed for no reason so even if she is town we get some value out of it.

OTOH we should vote the guy that is actually mafia if we want to win.

This is a lowkey shield on Porscha fwiw

I expect Porscha to catch at least 2 wolves by D3 if we let her live.

Voters: Millium, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, EnderWiggin, ilario

Two lock wolves, a permanent memver of the POE, a top town, and a shrug slot.

Catch me on this wagon never.

Okay I am turning a new leaf

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

this should solidify town santy tbh he went from alison lock town to alison lock wolf in like 16 hours and had genuine progression

"Mafia are never opportunistic" - Lilypetal

this is a very santy specific read but yeah i totally said that

Let's say I flip green. Your read on Santy is?

[santygrass]

The fact that you are trying to shade me more than what you have talked about Porscha is a super bad look Alison imo.

You tend to respect the good players opinion too and I am being widely townread. But you are ignoring that too.

Last EoD you made a lot of shieldy post to Porscha while pushing aro/wisp that is likely V/V . I cased that.

There is no way that you see that and think that my analysis is loudly wrong. You were the one who was loudly wrong.

Like, the 'catch me never' commentary on the porscha wagon? Please Allison if you really think Tilg/Porscha is W/W you were howling from your own PoV D1 and be able to see my casing on you as fair /shrug

[Lilypetal]

Flipping Porscha is a win win because she has the most entertaining reactions when she is wrongfully killed for no reason so even if she is town we get some value out of it.

OTOH we should vote the guy that is actually mafia if we want to win.

This is a lowkey shield on Porscha fwiw

I expect Porscha to catch at least 2 wolves by D3 if we let her live.

Voters: Millium, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, EnderWiggin, ilario

Two lock wolves, a permanent memver of the POE, a top town, and a shrug slot.

Catch me on this wagon never.

Okay I am turning a new leaf

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

this should solidify town santy tbh he went from alison lock town to alison lock wolf in like 16 hours and had genuine progression

"Mafia are never opportunistic" - Lilypetal

this is a very santy specific read but yeah i totally said that

Let's say I flip green. Your read on Santy is?

Prolly still villager. I also don't think you should be flipped although analyzing your wagon comp is pretty good info

[Seanzie]

see? even seanzie doesn't think he's been his usual self in the games. so why is alison v reading him so strongly

I mean, I wouldn't really say I'm being unusual, instead just different than the games I've played with you. If you compare me to what I've looked like since I got my new job, you might see that your meta on me is just outdated.

But yeah, Alison's strong townread of me has started to weird me out as well. She does tend to be good at reading me, but I don't see a lot of evidence that she has actually read me at this point.

This is exactly what you said to Mac in KOTH when he read you correctly.

Are you making implications off this, or just passively observing something that I'm not going to bother to check?

[Alison]

The fact that you are trying to shade me more than what you have talked about Porscha is a super bad look Alison imo.

You tend to respect the good players opinion too and I am being widely townread. But you are ignoring that too.

Last EoD you made a lot of shieldy post to Porscha while pushing aro/wisp that is likely V/V . I cased that.

There is no way that you see that and think that my analysis is loudly wrong. You were the one who was loudly wrong.

Like, the 'catch me never' commentary on the porscha wagon? Please Allison if you really think Tilg/Porscha is W/W you were howling from your own PoV D1 and be able to see my casing on you as fair /shrug

I don't see why I should talk more about Porscha. I've already explained why she's mafia. Now I am trying to explain why you are.

I have a different view now than I did EOD 1, and you are specifically ignoring that fact in order to try to misinterpret my actions.

I don't care that you're widely townread because to me you've already outed as mafia. I have seen no good player casing you town, if I have missed it then feel free to quote it.

But personally I don't care to convince you that you are mafia and putting in wrong information in the thread because I will never do so. I am intentionally trying to extend our argument as long as possible so that people remember that Alison was at odds with Santy for most of D2 after I flip and will put you under a microscope for the rest of the game and never let you wriggle out of the POE. That to me is my goal in this conversation and I feel I have achieved it. Good luck wriggling out of that one. Maybe you'll convince them that you just have a skill issue and totally aren't mafia this time.

[Alison]

see? even seanzie doesn't think he's been his usual self in the games. so why is alison v reading him so strongly

I mean, I wouldn't really say I'm being unusual, instead just different than the games I've played with you. If you compare me to what I've looked like since I got my new job, you might see that your meta on me is just outdated.

But yeah, Alison's strong townread of me has started to weird me out as well. She does tend to be good at reading me, but I don't see a lot of evidence that she has actually read me at this point.

This is exactly what you said to Mac in KOTH when he read you correctly.

Are you making implications off this, or just passively observing something that I'm not going to bother to check?

I'm implying that you underestimate how easy it is to read you and therefore get surprised or concerned when people read you more easily than you feel they should.

[Alison]

Prolly still villager. I also don't think you should be flipped although analyzing your wagon comp is pretty good info

Just to be clear, if you flip me and see my green flip, you should always kill Santygrass because he has spent the entirety of D2 trying to get me killed with bad arguments. I'm not going to try to strongarm you because you are obstinate and prefer to play by your own rules out of personal pride. I can't stop you from doing that. I am merely informing you as to his alignment and giving you free information, and if you refuse to accept it then that is on you.

[Lilypetal]

Prolly still villager. I also don't think you should be flipped although analyzing your wagon comp is pretty good info

Just to be clear, if you flip me and see my green flip, you should always kill Santygrass because he has spent the entirety of D2 trying to get me killed with bad arguments. I'm not going to try to strongarm you because you are obstinate and prefer to play by your own rules out of personal pride. I can't stop you from doing that. I am merely informing you as to his alignment and giving you free information, and if you refuse to accept it then that is on you.

yeah thats fine

[Alison]

Santygrass is probably the optimal exe today, but if I go over that isn't too bad. I believe that enough mafia have outed themselves trying to kill me that the rest of the game will be a breeze if you follow my legacy. And if you don't follow my legacy then well, I've done everything I can and you guys decided to lose. So that's on you.

I think it is amusing that I am top wagon and Santy's wagon is basically vanity but I feel more optimistic about the gamestate than he does.

[Seanzie]

see? even seanzie doesn't think he's been his usual self in the games. so why is alison v reading him so strongly

I mean, I wouldn't really say I'm being unusual, instead just different than the games I've played with you. If you compare me to what I've looked like since I got my new job, you might see that your meta on me is just outdated.

But yeah, Alison's strong townread of me has started to weird me out as well. She does tend to be good at reading me, but I don't see a lot of evidence that she has actually read me at this point.

This is exactly what you said to Mac in KOTH when he read you correctly.

Are you making implications off this, or just passively observing something that I'm not going to bother to check?

I'm implying that you underestimate how easy it is to read you and therefore get surprised or concerned when people read you more easily than you feel they should.

And I would rebut that I am less concerned with how surprised I am and more concerned with using how others read me to read them. You're kind of a prime candidate for this sort of read since I have faithfully asked you in pretty much every game why you townread me (when you townread me) and IF you explain, I often can find you, for better or worse. You not explaining, even if you think it is easy, makes it harder for me to find you, which I can only look at negatively.

[Alison]

And I would rebut that I am less concerned with how surprised I am and more concerned with using how others read me to read them. You're kind of a prime candidate for this sort of read since I have faithfully asked you in pretty much every game why you townread me (when you townread me) and IF you explain, I often can find you, for better or worse. You not explaining, even if you think it is easy, makes it harder for me to find you, which I can only look at negatively.

I already explained it. You don't care about how you're perceived this game. That's your towntell. It's as simple as that.

If you still cannot find me then feel free to vote me and let the hosts reveal my alignment for you.

[dyachei]

why do people who think cham is town think he's town?

[Alison]

why do people who think cham is town think he's town?

I actually am wondering why Cham was 100% convinced I was mafia earlier on in the day and then abruptly stopped and has shown zero interest or mention of me ever since.

[dyachei]

if I cant vote porscha, and no one will vote seanzie with me, then cham is my next option. Idk why more people arent really talking about him