Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 1:33 pm
I have 3.5 townreads and zero acumreads. This puts me so far into my wolf meta that an integer overflow error has occured and I am now IC. Hosts can confirm whenever they feel like it.
(for legal purposes, the host confirming part is a joke)
The only IC is me: take a close look at my username on MU.
Also, are you fam with Millium?
No, this is my first game with them, but I'd guess they're town.
Why guess them as town? Are you scum then?
Because their approach to me and their frustration with things like Neon defending what they see as anti-town behavior seems to be coming from a townie mindset.
I am good too. Our last two games together I've asked you about Dizzy (your read on him). I guess we have to talk about other reads this time.
I mean, we can talk about Dizzy. Pretty sure they're lock!scum though.
Definitly, Dizzy's always scum in my book.
Are you fam with most people playing this game? I don't even know most people their gender's. Help me out!
There are four people I've never played with, then a big handful of people I've played with like 3 or less times so idk if I'd say I'm familiar with them per say, but recognize their names, and them about half the players I know reasonably well, with a few I'm probably getting into the high tens in terms of games played with.
Is there anyone in particular you'd like help with?
With Nook, because I know him, and I know I can't read him; at least according to the past.
I cannot confidently say I've read one of Nook's posts yet this game, so I cannot help you there.
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:32 am
I guess I better say this before someone asks/points it out, but I actually wasn't really scum reading Pikachu that hard lol. I just wanted to push on her to get her reaction in regards to her concerns on me and see how she'd react and her reaction/posting after that was pretty townie to me so yea.
Reaction Tests ftw hehe
Holy fuck this slot needs to be shot.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:40 am
A lot of people are saying Aro/wisp one wolf there. I am trying to find out why Millium could be scum, because most are leaning there. While doing so I actually feel less sure on Alison, who changes her read so easily and quickly, just to agree with others. My first read on Millium is also being agreeable, and being very active posting.
So this is town
Also I rescind my scumread on Neon since I just realized that was probably planned prerand
Millium wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:31 am
I think SpF/Aro is unnecessary theater if that's the case, Aro smoothly transitioning from "I am wolf reading SPF" to "it was a reaction test" is pretty on par for town!Aro
/shrug
also I skimmed all 300 or so posts on mobile while in bed, seems to be a common thing to post more while I am asleep
I'm feeling Wisp/aro
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
I am scumreading Neon again, partially because I was convinced by Mac's case, and partially because I think she constantly complains about being suspected early in games and that frustration wasn't as present in her exchange with Mac, she felt more like me or SPF defending against a case than her town self
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Millium wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:26 pm
I will just never understand how people can be OK with play from someone that leads them to being mislynched so frequently, that they can bring it up as a point as if that's a good thing
Because misexeing someone frequently incorrectly is a skill issue on behalf of the people killing the person not the person being killed.
If I sat here and kept killing someone because they kept acting the same way and they kept flipping town and I ignored that even though I and all the people around me kept saying. Hey that's just town for them. Than I am the bad player.
It's a game. A game with multiple valid ways to play. There is no perfect formula. Nobody should be ashamed of their style or shamed fur it no matter how that play and how much it differs from your idea of mafia.
I die a lot wrongfully. I have not changed how I play and will not. My style works for me I win games with it a lot if I die early fir it but I'm winning when I'm given the opportunity than maybe I'm not as bad as you'd think.
Don't think this post is AI but I want to say that I think every word in it is wrong.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:06 pm
Currently at the Neon post.
Aro
Wisp
Seanzie
Neon
Rondo
My scumreads
Mac shielding Aro and Rondo
I trust Mac so take the other three as my immediate POE
Is Wisp Millium? If so, the set of you and all your scumreads is equal to the set of me and all my town reads.
Why is Wisp/Neon town?
You are probably right about at least one because I don't think they're W/W. But I don't think they are V/V either because they have both been scummy so I equally doubt I am wrong about both.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:06 pm
Currently at the Neon post.
Aro
Wisp
Seanzie
Neon
Rondo
My scumreads
Mac shielding Aro and Rondo
I trust Mac so take the other three as my immediate POE
Is Wisp Millium? If so, the set of you and all your scumreads is equal to the set of me and all my town reads.
Why is Wisp/Neon town?
You are probably right about at least one because I don't think they're W/W. But I don't think they are V/V either because they have both been scummy so I equally doubt I am wrong about both.
I'm going to take this as confirmation that Millium is Wisp. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I think Millium is town for the reasons I gave in tha tother post to Belzy (the way they wanted to figure out how to read me, pushing me for not having a lot of content felt townie, and the fruatration about getting told their reads on players doing antitown things being wrong seemed genuine.
Neon I am not super strong feeling about, but they way they argued with Millium reminded me a lot of an argument I got into with town!Neon one time, and they seem more concerned with not being out-argued/not giving up face re: if it is good or bad to townread anti-town behavior in someone's townrange than they are concerned with appeasing anyone.
@Belzy
What is the distinction between my gun to the head thoughts coming from town or a wolf?
Whether we live or die isn’t a big issue. If you focus on being alive, you develop fear. Your eyes get clouded. But if you have no such feelings… you are capable of fighting right to the end of the world.
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:32 am
I guess I better say this before someone asks/points it out, but I actually wasn't really scum reading Pikachu that hard lol. I just wanted to push on her to get her reaction in regards to her concerns on me and see how she'd react and her reaction/posting after that was pretty townie to me so yea.
Reaction Tests ftw hehe
Holy fuck this slot needs to be shot.
I think this is pretty in line with town!aro
Whether we live or die isn’t a big issue. If you focus on being alive, you develop fear. Your eyes get clouded. But if you have no such feelings… you are capable of fighting right to the end of the world.
@Belzy
Where did u come up with most people are leaning me as a wolf? I don't remember seeing that in thread, feels like u just made that up to shade me
Whether we live or die isn’t a big issue. If you focus on being alive, you develop fear. Your eyes get clouded. But if you have no such feelings… you are capable of fighting right to the end of the world.
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:32 pm
I'm going to take this as confirmation that Millium is Wisp. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I think Millium is town for the reasons I gave in tha tother post to Belzy (the way they wanted to figure out how to read me, pushing me for not having a lot of content felt townie, and the fruatration about getting told their reads on players doing antitown things being wrong seemed genuine.
Neon I am not super strong feeling about, but they way they argued with Millium reminded me a lot of an argument I got into with town!Neon one time, and they seem more concerned with not being out-argued/not giving up face re: if it is good or bad to townread anti-town behavior in someone's townrange than they are concerned with appeasing anyone.
Yeah, Millium is Wisp.
Why did Wisp's push on you feel genuine? Pointing at a player doing nothing and going, "hey, that's scummy" is very easy for either alignment to do.
For Neon, I think the "don't just vote off someone for beign anti-town" rant she had is something she holds strongly on a personal level and would express it even if she was mafia, the same way that I would strongly endorse my own views about mafia theory even if I am wolf.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:32 am
I guess I better say this before someone asks/points it out, but I actually wasn't really scum reading Pikachu that hard lol. I just wanted to push on her to get her reaction in regards to her concerns on me and see how she'd react and her reaction/posting after that was pretty townie to me so yea.
Reaction Tests ftw hehe
Holy fuck this slot needs to be shot.
I think this is pretty in line with town!aro
Why?
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:02 am
@Millium , it seems like you’re wolf rand streak has ended lol
@arogame123 can you walk me through your read on millium/wisp here? What had they made to make you think they arent in wolfrange? This read just screams to me as fake tbh
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:22 am
There’s probably one in aro/wisp
Also I vibe a lot with this take.
So far 3 pages in Alison/illario are my townreads and I'll be working with it probs
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:32 am
I guess I better say this before someone asks/points it out, but I actually wasn't really scum reading Pikachu that hard lol. I just wanted to push on her to get her reaction in regards to her concerns on me and see how she'd react and her reaction/posting after that was pretty townie to me so yea.
Reaction Tests ftw hehe
Holy fuck this slot needs to be shot.
I think this is pretty in line with town!aro
Why?
I haven't seen an aro wolf game but this kind of reaction test was quite prevalent in their town games during champs
Whether we live or die isn’t a big issue. If you focus on being alive, you develop fear. Your eyes get clouded. But if you have no such feelings… you are capable of fighting right to the end of the world.
Whether we live or die isn’t a big issue. If you focus on being alive, you develop fear. Your eyes get clouded. But if you have no such feelings… you are capable of fighting right to the end of the world.
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:06 am
Yup yup, I already have a good feeling about this game!
Also, since pikachu has outted already… thank you!
[VOTE:
staypositivefriend] aubergine
Why do you have a good feeling already?
I believe some of the players that have entered the game so far when they are town, are really good and can help win the game.
And so far, I have a couple of leaning tr on some slots that I view as +EV for town if they are actually town. So I feel like the direction of this game will be in good hands.
Illario - entrance and way he was approaching Alison to question town reads to get a better understanding in what seemed like he was trying to "begin forming a town core"
Mac - Has been confrontential with the players so far in a good way to form reads and has engaged in my conversation with Illario through defending me using past experiences to analyze my responses which is a good look for Mac.
Wisp - Made a quick town read on Alison that I feel like Wisp would be more reserved with esp early in the game when I have seen him as Mafia. As mafia, he seemed to deflect/question certain player's actions and be quick to call several players mafia right out the gate. All be it, it's the lightest one but yea.
Ah here is the explanation. Yeh, heavily disagree with it.
Also dont like much the reason to townread mac, and the tr on the player that was expressing a dichotomy into you/townread of yours also is a little bit weird there.
I was expecting to vibe more with aro reads , Skill Issue tbh
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:32 am
I guess I better say this before someone asks/points it out, but I actually wasn't really scum reading Pikachu that hard lol. I just wanted to push on her to get her reaction in regards to her concerns on me and see how she'd react and her reaction/posting after that was pretty townie to me so yea.
Reaction Tests ftw hehe
Holy fuck this slot needs to be shot.
I think this is pretty in line with town!aro
Why?
I haven't seen an aro wolf game but this kind of reaction test was quite prevalent in their town games during champs
I have. I think it's wolfy. I don't think the fact that he reaction tested is wolfy, I think the way he acted around it is.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:36 am
naook illario and alison are all town
lilypetal and aro contains one mafia
gn
Okay, spf has the same townreads as me LOL. Probs town.
@staypositivefriend walk me through your read on Lily. I was leaning town on them tbhtbh. Other than that I feel like Im totally vibing with your no explanation reads *dab*
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:02 am
my concern about lily is that her posts so far have awkward energy and the TR on aro felt unnatural
I disagree with this ? If anything I'd say that lily having so few posts when they came in is what pings me a little, but the contents of their posts as it is didnt strike me as unnatural for lily to me
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:32 am
I guess I better say this before someone asks/points it out, but I actually wasn't really scum reading Pikachu that hard lol. I just wanted to push on her to get her reaction in regards to her concerns on me and see how she'd react and her reaction/posting after that was pretty townie to me so yea.
Reaction Tests ftw hehe
Holy fuck this slot needs to be shot.
I think this is pretty in line with town!aro
Why?
I haven't seen an aro wolf game but this kind of reaction test was quite prevalent in their town games during champs
I have. I think it's wolfy. I don't think the fact that he reaction tested is wolfy, I think the way he acted around it is.
What do you mean?
Whether we live or die isn’t a big issue. If you focus on being alive, you develop fear. Your eyes get clouded. But if you have no such feelings… you are capable of fighting right to the end of the world.
Also, Ender posting in page 6-7 while I was skimming I liked. It seemed like a freeflowing type of thoughts that I vibed with from a townie mindset? Im bad at words but townlean.
Also at this point I might as well just [VOTE:
Arogame123] aubergine
I domt understand how people are so sure that Mac is town at this point tbh. Like, Im not sussing there and I think that if they are town thy will indeed obvtown later or be killed, but to say it with the post they had until that point... Idk.
Not saying names cuz I only remember spf putting them as strongest town and Im townreading spf, but I saw more people confident in Mac being town and Im just shaking my head smh
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:32 pm
I'm going to take this as confirmation that Millium is Wisp. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I think Millium is town for the reasons I gave in tha tother post to Belzy (the way they wanted to figure out how to read me, pushing me for not having a lot of content felt townie, and the fruatration about getting told their reads on players doing antitown things being wrong seemed genuine.
Neon I am not super strong feeling about, but they way they argued with Millium reminded me a lot of an argument I got into with town!Neon one time, and they seem more concerned with not being out-argued/not giving up face re: if it is good or bad to townread anti-town behavior in someone's townrange than they are concerned with appeasing anyone.
Yeah, Millium is Wisp.
Why did Wisp's push on you feel genuine? Pointing at a player doing nothing and going, "hey, that's scummy" is very easy for either alignment to do.
For Neon, I think the "don't just vote off someone for beign anti-town" rant she had is something she holds strongly on a personal level and would express it even if she was mafia, the same way that I would strongly endorse my own views about mafia theory even if I am wolf.
Millium felt like they genuinely wanted a way to sort me rather than like they wanted to mischop me.
As for Neon, sure they might express similar thoughts as either alignment, however it isn't the argument itself, but again the fact that they seemed more concerned with arguing their point and not conceding/saving face than they did about pleasing others.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:07 am
@ilario why do I feel like you are not treating me the way town ilario usually treats me? What about my play here is causing this unusual response?
probably because i havent confidently found you yet if ur villa, ur recent posts have been better but my dilemma is that i can say that about a bunch of slots. i do like the way u switched ur rondo read and ur push on neon though
Towncore material, yesyes. Mac having skill issue on the Neon read too tbhtbh
@Alison why do you trust Mac so much? I think Neon is one of my most confident townreads atm, and I would very much prefer if you vote aro with me tbh .
@ilario I think spf is town, I am reading them as villa, and I read the aro/spf interaction like W!aro fanning the flames and trying to make a distance between you and spf. (like the partnery tinfoil just seemed extremely fake to me). I might be confbiased on that read, but I feel good about spf being town, and you too. Would appreciate it if you try to work together for this phase at least tbhtbh
Prob will be holding off to lean Millium/Wisp as any alignment til we get some flips. Also I notice tha I dont have much of a read in the people I dont know from other games but it is what it is. Prob if I realtime with them I'll get a better read or something.
But its D1 I dont want to put too much effort /shrug
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:21 pm
@Alison why do you trust Mac so much? I think Neon is one of my most confident townreads atm, and I would very much prefer if you vote aro with me tbh .
@ilario I think spf is town, I am reading them as villa, and I read the aro/spf interaction like W!aro fanning the flames and trying to make a distance between you and spf. (like the partnery tinfoil just seemed extremely fake to me). I might be confbiased on that read, but I feel good about spf being town, and you too. Would appreciate it if you try to work together for this phase at least tbhtbh
Aro is scummy as fuck and I would be happy to see him killed today even despite the Mac shield. I am not going to vote him because of my role (see page 1).
I think trusting Mac D1 is often a smart idea unless he is being seriously scummy. He is a popular night 1 kill so if enough people say he's town for no reason and he really is town then the wolves will just kill him. And if they leave him alive then they have to deal with him catching them. On the other hand if he is scum he will probably play in a more self-sacrificial way (see Misplay Mafia) because he knows that he will be outed if enough days go by without a pelt. So if he is scum he is probably gonna die anyway.
On an object level I have not had serious issues with his posting and have vibed with a couple of his reads. I think he is wrong on Aro and Illario but that's not exactly outing.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Fwiw I think the vote of aro into Lily is almost outing in the level of wolfyness. Its super lazy and how they got there doesnt feel villagery at all.
Like, I expect the player who was interacting with the most slots have more.. spice for a vote or something? And not jump on a easy vote like I feel Lily is? And there was 0 intent in aro to interact with Lily so it just screams W!aro to me
Oh I forgot about your vote thingy, all good then.
And yeah I can agree with your take on Mac, which is why Im not interested in sussing them rn tbh. Just feeling that we are not agreeing on reads atm. Which isnt wolfy perse for my Mac read (Spiritfarer wowee) , but holds me back dont seeing a towny push or read from them, what makes me think that its likely that someone tr'ing Mac rn is prob a wolf regardless of alignment. But not too married to this read as in to search who are or try pushing there wowee
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME do you have any reads rn? Are you willing to sheep me?
@MacDougall your vote on Neon is peepeepoopoo . Neon is town. If you dont think that me/Neon are both mafia, then get your vote off there cuz rn Neon is my most confident townread
if you say so.
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