ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:38 am
you are literally crying for me to let you do your thing while i do mine which is literally what i was doing
i outed reads, i didnt hardpush you, i didnt try to attack anyone townreading you, hell i didnt even vote you myself
wtf are you having a massive cry about
you write, "attack anyone town reading you"
as if like I attacked Mac for town reading Rondo
we both keep our votes close to our chests, so its rather irrelevant to say "I didnt even vote you"
you very rarely hard push from what I've seen of both Semi's and finals, especially not this early, unless im just dumb
I mean yes we have both outted reads
tbh it should be as clear as day what I want
yes, i dont hard push early, because i want to give people space
Millium wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 1:36 am
who in this game is not a regular on this site?
I dont see how that is the towniest post because he really evaluated a read based on meta, a read that I still have no idea why it existed in the first place
I am not a regular. You and many others are new to me.
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:38 am
you are literally crying for me to let you do your thing while i do mine which is literally what i was doing
i outed reads, i didnt hardpush you, i didnt try to attack anyone townreading you, hell i didnt even vote you myself
wtf are you having a massive cry about
you write, "attack anyone town reading you"
as if like I attacked Mac for town reading Rondo
we both keep our votes close to our chests, so its rather irrelevant to say "I didnt even vote you"
you very rarely hard push from what I've seen of both Semi's and finals, especially not this early, unless im just dumb
I mean yes we have both outted reads
tbh it should be as clear as day what I want
yes, i dont hard push early, because i want to give people space
whats your read on me?
I don't know, Im not one that particular tries to find wolves in players like you
nor do I even think I could read you
I dont think you are stilted enough to be wolf!illario, is my best guess
Whether we live or die isn’t a big issue. If you focus on being alive, you develop fear. Your eyes get clouded. But if you have no such feelings… you are capable of fighting right to the end of the world.
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:38 am
you are literally crying for me to let you do your thing while i do mine which is literally what i was doing
i outed reads, i didnt hardpush you, i didnt try to attack anyone townreading you, hell i didnt even vote you myself
wtf are you having a massive cry about
you write, "attack anyone town reading you"
as if like I attacked Mac for town reading Rondo
we both keep our votes close to our chests, so its rather irrelevant to say "I didnt even vote you"
you very rarely hard push from what I've seen of both Semi's and finals, especially not this early, unless im just dumb
I mean yes we have both outted reads
tbh it should be as clear as day what I want
yes, i dont hard push early, because i want to give people space
whats your read on me?
I don't know, Im not one that particular tries to find wolves in players like you
nor do I even think I could read you
I dont think you are stilted enough to be wolf!illario, is my best guess
thats fair,
who do you feel more comfortable in trying to read in this PL?
do you have a take on any of tilgs posts so far?
A. i remember that he claimed in the game where we wolfed together that he finds it easy to make posts as a wolf but struggles with posting more fluidly as a villager because he second guesses himself. he was posting very fluidly and very casually but not really doing anything that i perceived as scumhunting or solving. it seemed like he was posting for the sake of posting, which is roughly how i expect aro to enter the game if he is mafia
B. he told alison that he likes being scumread when he's mafia but this seems to be ....untrue. it is possible i am misremembering but i can't think of a single time during our wolfgame where he enjoyed being pushed on. it seemed like something he said to try to talk alison down from the push and not something that was actually based in truth.
it's all convoluted meta that you probably shouldn't care about unless you are exactly arogame, but figured i would explain anyway.
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:38 am
you are literally crying for me to let you do your thing while i do mine which is literally what i was doing
i outed reads, i didnt hardpush you, i didnt try to attack anyone townreading you, hell i didnt even vote you myself
wtf are you having a massive cry about
you write, "attack anyone town reading you"
as if like I attacked Mac for town reading Rondo
we both keep our votes close to our chests, so its rather irrelevant to say "I didnt even vote you"
you very rarely hard push from what I've seen of both Semi's and finals, especially not this early, unless im just dumb
I mean yes we have both outted reads
tbh it should be as clear as day what I want
yes, i dont hard push early, because i want to give people space
whats your read on me?
I don't know, Im not one that particular tries to find wolves in players like you
nor do I even think I could read you
I dont think you are stilted enough to be wolf!illario, is my best guess
thats fair,
who do you feel more comfortable in trying to read in this PL?
do you have a take on any of tilgs posts so far?
Idk a decent chunk of people in this game honestly
and reversing this question, from the games I have physically been in or read
you and Tilg are the least comfortable in trying to read this early
everyone else is pretty fair game unless someone wants to tell me otherwise
Whether we live or die isn’t a big issue. If you focus on being alive, you develop fear. Your eyes get clouded. But if you have no such feelings… you are capable of fighting right to the end of the world.
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:38 am
you are literally crying for me to let you do your thing while i do mine which is literally what i was doing
i outed reads, i didnt hardpush you, i didnt try to attack anyone townreading you, hell i didnt even vote you myself
wtf are you having a massive cry about
you write, "attack anyone town reading you"
as if like I attacked Mac for town reading Rondo
we both keep our votes close to our chests, so its rather irrelevant to say "I didnt even vote you"
you very rarely hard push from what I've seen of both Semi's and finals, especially not this early, unless im just dumb
I mean yes we have both outted reads
tbh it should be as clear as day what I want
yes, i dont hard push early, because i want to give people space
whats your read on me?
I don't know, Im not one that particular tries to find wolves in players like you
nor do I even think I could read you
I dont think you are stilted enough to be wolf!illario, is my best guess
thats fair,
who do you feel more comfortable in trying to read in this PL?
do you have a take on any of tilgs posts so far?
Idk a decent chunk of people in this game honestly
and reversing this question, from the games I have physically been in or read
you and Tilg are the least comfortable in trying to read this early
everyone else is pretty fair game unless someone wants to tell me otherwise
but also from what im seeing so far, in terms of a people who haven't posted, and some of the lower posters
I dont really know what kind of read im gonna get on them day 1 at this rate
ok its now 3am
Whether we live or die isn’t a big issue. If you focus on being alive, you develop fear. Your eyes get clouded. But if you have no such feelings… you are capable of fighting right to the end of the world.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:02 am
my concern about lily is that her posts so far have awkward energy and the TR on aro felt unnatural
yeh, I mostly agree with this (after being prodded to go specifically looking for it by your vote), so have some townpoints
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:41 pm
Milium town Seanzie town.
I think ur probably town but can you explain these two reads ?
See above for Seanzie.
Milium is town because they are a completely fresh face in the middle of an extremely insular playerlist that all know each other and have lots of experience with each other and still come off as the most relaxed and comfortable person in the thread.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:02 am
i think ilario is town for calling aro mafia
i think alison is town for the way she engaged with seanzie on page 1
i think nook is town because idk i just feel like it
no other reads that i feel like talking about yet
I don't have a good record reading Nook. What could help reading Nook?
nanook is perhaps the only player in the history of forum mafia that is best read through vibes
if his vibes are off then he's probably mafia and if his vibes are good then he's probably town
more specifically, he tends to play in a way that comes off as confusing to others as both alignments but when he's town he usually forms attachments to specific views or reads that bleed through the rest of his posting. that's proly the only concrete advice i can give
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:02 am
i think ilario is town for calling aro mafia
i think alison is town for the way she engaged with seanzie on page 1
i think nook is town because idk i just feel like it
no other reads that i feel like talking about yet
I don't have a good record reading Nook. What could help reading Nook?
nanook is perhaps the only player in the history of forum mafia that is best read through vibes
if his vibes are off then he's probably mafia and if his vibes are good then he's probably town
more specifically, he tends to play in a way that comes off as confusing to others as both alignments but when he's town he usually forms attachments to specific views or reads that bleed through the rest of his posting. that's proly the only concrete advice i can give
I hope this helps. Maybe I could translate past vibes/reads into off vs good vibes. Thanks.
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:06 am
Yup yup, I already have a good feeling about this game!
Also, since pikachu has outted already… thank you!
[VOTE:
staypositivefriend] aubergine
Why do you have a good feeling already?
I believe some of the players that have entered the game so far when they are town, are really good and can help win the game.
And so far, I have a couple of leaning tr on some slots that I view as +EV for town if they are actually town. So I feel like the direction of this game will be in good hands.
You’ve seen stacked player lists choke really hard though?
Doesn’t the inverse to your logic work as well? The good town players are also good wolves and if u only have light trs on them so far that doesn’t really mean much for the game difficulty?
Nah. I've seen good town players struggle as wolf because they can't replicate their sheer aura of townieness that they have as a villager. Or maybe they're just polarized and can only play one align.
Hey look, it's me, the polarised noob.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:22 am
There’s probably one in aro/wisp
Nice wolfy dichotomy
Ok, maybe aro is mafia.
Yeah lol that was a wolfy response to me
Fwiw I don’t believe in the dichotomy so much as I think both of you have been pingy. There’s nothing stopping you from being both wolves so in that sense it isn’t a true dichotomy, I just think it would be too easy for that to be true hence why I said probs one in you two
Illario has my wheel until further notice.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:06 am
Yup yup, I already have a good feeling about this game!
Also, since pikachu has outted already… thank you!
[VOTE:
staypositivefriend] aubergine
Why do you have a good feeling already?
I believe some of the players that have entered the game so far when they are town, are really good and can help win the game.
And so far, I have a couple of leaning tr on some slots that I view as +EV for town if they are actually town. So I feel like the direction of this game will be in good hands.
You’ve seen stacked player lists choke really hard though?
Doesn’t the inverse to your logic work as well? The good town players are also good wolves and if u only have light trs on them so far that doesn’t really mean much for the game difficulty?
Nah. I've seen good town players struggle as wolf because they can't replicate their sheer aura of townieness that they have as a villager. Or maybe they're just polarized and can only play one align.
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:06 am
Yup yup, I already have a good feeling about this game!
Also, since pikachu has outted already… thank you!
[VOTE:
staypositivefriend] aubergine
Why do you have a good feeling already?
I believe some of the players that have entered the game so far when they are town, are really good and can help win the game.
And so far, I have a couple of leaning tr on some slots that I view as +EV for town if they are actually town. So I feel like the direction of this game will be in good hands.
You’ve seen stacked player lists choke really hard though?
Doesn’t the inverse to your logic work as well? The good town players are also good wolves and if u only have light trs on them so far that doesn’t really mean much for the game difficulty?
Nah. I've seen good town players struggle as wolf because they can't replicate their sheer aura of townieness that they have as a villager. Or maybe they're just polarized and can only play one align.
Hey look, it's me, the polarised noob.
Are you still a popular day 1 lynch?
That entirely depends on how much I care about the game.
Also hi.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:06 am
Yup yup, I already have a good feeling about this game!
Also, since pikachu has outted already… thank you!
[VOTE:
staypositivefriend] aubergine
Why do you have a good feeling already?
I believe some of the players that have entered the game so far when they are town, are really good and can help win the game.
And so far, I have a couple of leaning tr on some slots that I view as +EV for town if they are actually town. So I feel like the direction of this game will be in good hands.
You’ve seen stacked player lists choke really hard though?
Doesn’t the inverse to your logic work as well? The good town players are also good wolves and if u only have light trs on them so far that doesn’t really mean much for the game difficulty?
Well, I've seen stacked player lists choke, but that doesn't mean the win probability is already high up if that is the case. Thus having high hopes already.
And no actually, not all good town players are necessarily good mafia players. And my point is that with the light tr, it gives me a good feeling that if they are actually town, that this game will be going in the right direction.
I can have a good feeling about something and high hopes even if it ends up becoming a lose.
Let me put it in terms of a sport team. Your team has all-star players and you are projected to win a championship. You have high expections at the beginning of the season and you are feeling good. That's kind of the feeling I have rn.
Obviously, along the way there can be injuries and players are not what they were supposed to be. Like here, my reads could end up being wrong and/or town can end up tunneling each other.
Stacked sports teams have such a high failure rate at actually meeting expectations.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:06 am
Yup yup, I already have a good feeling about this game!
Also, since pikachu has outted already… thank you!
[VOTE:
staypositivefriend] aubergine
Why do you have a good feeling already?
I believe some of the players that have entered the game so far when they are town, are really good and can help win the game.
And so far, I have a couple of leaning tr on some slots that I view as +EV for town if they are actually town. So I feel like the direction of this game will be in good hands.
You’ve seen stacked player lists choke really hard though?
Doesn’t the inverse to your logic work as well? The good town players are also good wolves and if u only have light trs on them so far that doesn’t really mean much for the game difficulty?
Well, I've seen stacked player lists choke, but that doesn't mean the win probability is already high up if that is the case. Thus having high hopes already.
And no actually, not all good town players are necessarily good mafia players. And my point is that with the light tr, it gives me a good feeling that if they are actually town, that this game will be going in the right direction.
I can have a good feeling about something and high hopes even if it ends up becoming a lose.
Let me put it in terms of a sport team. Your team has all-star players and you are projected to win a championship. You have high expections at the beginning of the season and you are feeling good. That's kind of the feeling I have rn.
Obviously, along the way there can be injuries and players are not what they were supposed to be. Like here, my reads could end up being wrong and/or town can end up tunneling each other.
Usually sports teams that are overhyped by signing too many star players end up flopping most the time
The best ones are usually when you have one or two insanely talented players and a bunch of people built to play around them
In your time in fm have you seen any stacked towns win a single game? (I’ve seen it go both ways and ig the only reason I’m pinged is that most invitational/champ games have been wolf stomps in recent times so I’m not sure why you would be optimistic here.. ig in general you are an optimistic person so rn I’m trying to figure out if this is just that or you as a wolf trying to replicate that optimism)
Is this me stepping into the illario pocket? Yes.
Yes it is.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:44 am
arogame's sanctimonious reaction to suspicion is towny, when aro is mafia and gets suspected he just laughs and continues trying to act townie (mostly successfully)
literally
I can agree with this take on Aro, as it's what I have noted in smudged writing on the back of my hand.
However I'm also 90% sure Aro knows this and could use it if he thinks the playerlist would use it against him.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
I believe some of the players that have entered the game so far when they are town, are really good and can help win the game.
And so far, I have a couple of leaning tr on some slots that I view as +EV for town if they are actually town. So I feel like the direction of this game will be in good hands.
You’ve seen stacked player lists choke really hard though?
Doesn’t the inverse to your logic work as well? The good town players are also good wolves and if u only have light trs on them so far that doesn’t really mean much for the game difficulty?
Nah. I've seen good town players struggle as wolf because they can't replicate their sheer aura of townieness that they have as a villager. Or maybe they're just polarized and can only play one align.
Hey look, it's me, the polarised noob.
Are you still a popular day 1 lynch?
That entirely depends on how much I care about the game.
Also hi.
How much do you care about this game? Always, always care about the game, pretty please.
If you are town, I hope you won't get easily mislynched anymore. And I already said hi to you before, maybe you missed it.
I believe some of the players that have entered the game so far when they are town, are really good and can help win the game.
And so far, I have a couple of leaning tr on some slots that I view as +EV for town if they are actually town. So I feel like the direction of this game will be in good hands.
You’ve seen stacked player lists choke really hard though?
Doesn’t the inverse to your logic work as well? The good town players are also good wolves and if u only have light trs on them so far that doesn’t really mean much for the game difficulty?
Nah. I've seen good town players struggle as wolf because they can't replicate their sheer aura of townieness that they have as a villager. Or maybe they're just polarized and can only play one align.
Hey look, it's me, the polarised noob.
Are you still a popular day 1 lynch?
That entirely depends on how much I care about the game.
Also hi.
How much do you care about this game? Always, always care about the game, pretty please.
If you are town, I hope you won't get easily mislynched anymore. And I already said hi to you before, maybe you missed it.
Dizzy's hosting so of course I care. Couldn't let them down.
I haven't caught up with thread yet so I'll see it when I get there.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
For those who don’t know pikachu, you’ll know once they respond to this.
Will I expand on this read? No, not yet.
Also @illario, I already said it before but wisp ATE is NAI so this goes to anyone else tr wisp for ATE. That’s a weak and not a good reason to tr Wisp.
Also Illario, if I told you I planned on asking that question regardless of my alignment that you considered “an awkward way” to enter/fit into the thread, what would you think then?
Also, Mac is a stronger tr and Rondo did something similar from what I remember in our previous game.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:41 am
interesting. i wasn't expecting a good old fashioned OMGUS tbh
Interesting, because I was hoping you were town this game.
You like Illario’s reasonings for his push on me yet your reasons for pushing on me are quite the opposite and are contradictory.
Let alone, your initial reasonings for sr are just weak tbh.
Additionally, you are clearly misremembering what happened in the game. Porscha started to push me and I literally mentioned in our chat how hype I was and how excited I was in thread.
i don't really care what specific reasoning illario used to push you, i just liked the fact that the push existed at the same time that i was getting mildly pinged by your opening posts
it's possible that i'm misremembering your wolf meta, but if that's the case, why is that wolf indicative for me? am i not allowed to have concerns about you? do you think it's impossible for me to have concerns about you playing closer to your wolf meta when im town or are u just trying to make me look bad?
Also @Millium i always talk and speak my mind. I always keep it 100. I just discuss my observations and my thoughts and how I perceive a player’s intentions as well. So I don’t “force” anything.
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:28 am
Well I already explained the first question
The aro read exists because it felt like he didn’t know how to naturally open into the thread so he defaulted into asking that question to ease himself in. Some of the explanations to his reads and the process behind it has felt reachy and he’s felt overly-explainey at times
Mac already did it, not you explain to me why Rondo is town
do we at least agree with Sean?
I dont feel like back reading and i want to go to sleep
rondo felt town because his response to alisons pressure wasnt overly panicky. his tone in general seems calm/at ease. i dont have much of a read on sean, if people want him then then i have no issue with that atm
Hello, this is the Rondo police telling you that Rondo is not going to panic under pressure and that's a bad read.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
