Kid's Birthday Party Mafia Game Over

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sabi thinking that becuase I meagerly gestured towards another wagon then realized they were a wagon prompting me to back off.. is damning? is pretty awful

Is it suspicious awful or not suspicious awful?

[Esooa]

Nanook kill is still the most boring thing I can imagine and will almost always prompt another day of people repeating themselves about the most ridiculous reads possible on me so I'm inclined to beg you just let me be free still

[Esooa]

Sabi thinking that becuase I meagerly gestured towards another wagon then realized they were a wagon prompting me to back off.. is damning? is pretty awful

Is it suspicious awful or not suspicious awful?

dunno, maybe I'll vote her and see if it helps me find out

[Sabiplz]

Sabi thinking that becuase I meagerly gestured towards another wagon then realized they were a wagon prompting me to back off.. is damning? is pretty awful

What does that say about Wilgz and marmar, who both followed along it?

All I told them was to ead eod1 and both of them came into the same conclusion.

Yet I'm the one being called out for this.

[Sabiplz]

Again my pronouns are they/them

[Esooa]

Sabi thinking that becuase I meagerly gestured towards another wagon then realized they were a wagon prompting me to back off.. is damning? is pretty awful

What does that say about Wilgz and marmar, who both followed along it?

All I told them was to ead eod1 and both of them came into the same conclusion.

Yet I'm the one being called out for this.

Wilgy misread something I said, which while p annoying, happens. And Marmot has said at least actual things about me even if it's stuff like old and imo irrelevant meta

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm not actually townreadin esooa, but she's not my top wolf candidate atm. That slot belongs to Nanook.

Nice

[Sabiplz]

Sabi thinking that becuase I meagerly gestured towards another wagon then realized they were a wagon prompting me to back off.. is damning? is pretty awful

What does that say about Wilgz and marmar, who both followed along it?

All I told them was to ead eod1 and both of them came into the same conclusion.

Yet I'm the one being called out for this.

Wilgy misread something I said, which while p annoying, happens. And Marmot has said at least actual things about me even if it's stuff like old and imo irrelevant meta

What was the least actual things about you that marmar said?

[Esooa]

there is literally no one in this game who is thinking more than "well nanook I guess can be voted and Esooa said good things about the wolf once so end it there and kill her too I suppose," it's like literally the worst game possible to play lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Deeper review of Wilgy

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Alison W

Nook T
Falcon T
Sabi T

JJJ W.

We've been in RVS too long for a Jay game.

These are, as far as I can tell, the first true content posts Wilgy provided (his 14th and 16th posts overall). So perhaps he did fluff a bit before getting into things. That's not a charitable interpretation, I grant. These reads generally seem believable given the context in which they arrived, albeit without explanations.

If there's one read here that raises questions, it would be the Nanook read. To this point, Nanook had made six posts, none of which really amounted to solving content. Wilgy, if you can remember this moment, any kind of expansion on that read would be super.

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I do think we've found a good portion of the town so far.

Gut says wolves are in the non-present.

As of this post, I believe most players had been in the thread not including Sparkles (her first post came about three hours later). That's a nice look, as it implies a pretty restrictive POE that hit at least one mafia.

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Jay, however, what do you make of Marmot?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I'd like your thoughts on Marmot as well.

Ty for the takes. I agree.

Wilgy: I think jjj and Sabi are town

Nook: I think jjj and Sabi are scum, also wigly town

(I infer that nooks wilgy read is a townread)

:/

I raised the subject as this was the 2nd thing that I assessed as off.

Too early for the :/ face. That's like a day 2 post flip on a town yeet you really wanted to sheep reaction.

It's a small moment, but this progression does display some inkling of investment by Wilgy in moving his own hunt.

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After the game I might change Wilgy's undertitle to "Ancient Creature of Syndicate Lore"

A slanking menace from the deep.

I would like for everyone to place a vote regarding their favorite new DrWilgy undertitle:

1. Ancient Creature of Syndicate Lore
2. Slanking Menace from the Deep

They're both class. Let's get it right.

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I find all of Jay's analysis so far to be correct.

Whether or not it derives from TMI and is well hidden behind truthful towny review or not, I think is very much pro town and thus they have earned a TR.

This could be called a rather frivolous town read of me. It's cool to agree with my analyses, and that's okay as a starting point for a town read. The progression from this point will be a matter of interest for me.

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Sabi
JJJ
Falcon
Marmot
Nook
OW
Alison

Per my memory of this stretch of the game, I think these reads were a decent blend of consensus and counter-culture. The Alison and Marmot reads might have been relatively controversial, but generally it's about where the flow of the game was (including my own reads sans Alison). I appreciate that blend, because it doesn't imply either of the two more blatant agendas that a mafioso might pursue -- status quo boredom or total revolutionary contrianism. The balance is okay.

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Falcon and JJJ are I think the most flexible of my green reads rn for the simple fact that they are day 3-4 catches if they are W.

I'm more confident in my Marmot and Sabi read.

Jays read of Marmot I think just kinda town firms them. It's not a W/W interaction and I trust Jay's read if he's town.

This is a post I quite like. The Marmot read in particular adds a layer of nuance via gamestate awareness that I think fits congruently with a Wilgy mindset bent on sorting that gamestate.

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There is utility to what Alison has done over the last page or so independent of falcon's involvement (that sort of ties in with the "I'll take on the Mac role" mindset). I won't expand on that for the moment; I'd prefer she continue to engage the game her way before I speak on it further.

Generally, from a strategic standpoint, this is token Alison. And that's fine. I would expect to see a set of strong, principled posts from her regardless of alignment. My focus isn't on the strategy being employed but rather on the motivation, and I am inclined to perceive that motivation as genuine for the moment. I will expand when it strikes me as pertinent.

This comment is largely NAI towards Alison which is odd.

Unless I'm misunderstanding, but it felt like you posted without stance there Jay.

Is token Alison a W or T statement?

I suggested before that I wanted to see Wilgy's progression on me, and this sequence is promising. After having dropped me in the town bucket he still paid me close scrutiny and sought clarity.

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who is outed wolf

Jay is outed wolf, vote him imo

k well your reads seem bad

Good thing I'm sheeping wilgy then innit

[VOTE: Nook] aubergine

Wilgy didn't accept Nanook's sheep votes with open arms. There's wifom in that, but at least it suggests the potential for critical assessment of Nanook's motivations.

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To expand a little on some of my prior Alison commentary:

I think that she must be interpreted for motivation (at least before results-based assessment via flips can provide additional insight), because her principled strategies and application of her views of logic to the game are going to be consistent and generally unrevealing. For her to turn the day into a combative thunderdomy mess, ham-fisting the "murder falcon" narrative wouldn't be especially productive on its own power unless falcon is exactly mafia; indeed, it'd even remind me of Halvosen Ridge Day 1 between her and Rondo (both mafia).

Alison's handling of this incident was considerably more nuanced and more balanced, in that she seemed to understand and intend the greater function of her attacks -- to turn the game thread into something pro-town regardless of falcon. This is the kind of thing I think she associates with MacDougall, validly, and I have behaved similarly in many past games. As soon as folks began to interact with her calls to murder falcon [and then her if he flips green etc], she took inventory (e.g., #240) and morphed it into different reads (e.g., #267, #330) stemming directly from that origin combat. I think that's a nice sign.

Aye, that's where I was yesterday before I had to step away.

The Falcon strong arm is appearing to be utilized and thus I'm good with it being pro-town. I would like to add that half my bickering at it was because I wanted to see it move, but I will say that trying to be a movement pressure is so far is so far out of my crouching moron hidden slanker that I didn't know if I was assisting in a way that wasn't distracting. I think it moved in a proper direction, BUT I'm not sure if I'm correct on how to read as it moved with mechanisms that I added not knowing if I did so correctly or not.

What I'm trying to say is I agree and the outside perspective helps.

After having previously listed Alison as a red read, and then after getting into that lengthy dialogue about "ego" with her, he was willing to move his perspective as seen here. That's decent from the standpoint of narrowing POE.

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I think everyones hould stop posting

This is a meme ass post and I like it. Nai but I like it. Not even sure if the contextual humor between the lucy/falc post count thing was intended or not, but that's how I read it.

Suppose I can use this moment to put reads as of this post in the thread:
Still thinking:
JJJ
MARM
SABI
FALC
ALISON

are town or pro town enough to not put in PoE.

NOOK will just inevitably need to be clipped if he doesn't stop shitposting.

Lucy's feeling off, like yes I get Lucy's relatively soft d1 meta, but something is off from the get go and idk how to describe it.

Esooa is null
OA is null

Sparkles is w lean

And in so doing, Wilgy produces this reads list that POEs Sparkles all by her lonesome. That is quite a clean progression that ends in precisely the right place.

~~~

Otherwise, refer to my prior assessment of Wilgy. That contains what would essentially be the counter-case, relating primarily to his vote for outed wolf.

When I raised questions in this review, I felt like I was nitpicking (and the case regarding his outed wolf vote kind of gives me a similar vibe). When I gave credit, it felt like credit earned. I still think Wilgy looks town.

[Esooa]

so whatever, I posted enough for people to at least post differently for a little bit but it didn't happen, hopefully that's enough for me to be fine w myself to resign to death

[JaggedJimmyJay]

there is literally no one in this game who is thinking more than "well nanook I guess can be voted and Esooa said good things about the wolf once so end it there and kill her too I suppose," it's like literally the worst game possible to play lol

I don't think this is a valid assessment of the game thread.

[Esooa]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll do a similar review with Marmot soon. Going through that with Wilgy felt pretty productive for me.

[Sabiplz]

there is literally no one in this game who is thinking more than "well nanook I guess can be voted and Esooa said good things about the wolf once so end it there and kill her too I suppose," it's like literally the worst game possible to play lol

What direction do you want the game to go?

You wanted to vote on j3.

What are your thoughts on his recent posting?

[DrWilgy]

Also, I've thought about the few defenders thing a bit irt maybe not Lucy, maybe not Sparkles, but really if they're a wolf then they have 1 partner who may defend them and it's just not really going to sway me thinking about it like that.

Break it down for me real quick then Esooa, perhaps the negatives in 'maybe not lucy, maybe not Sparkles' made me think you would think between them they'd have one partner wanting to defend?

[Esooa]

Also, I've thought about the few defenders thing a bit irt maybe not Lucy, maybe not Sparkles, but really if they're a wolf then they have 1 partner who may defend them and it's just not really going to sway me thinking about it like that.

Break it down for me real quick then Esooa, perhaps the negatives in 'maybe not lucy, maybe not Sparkles' made me think you would think between them they'd have one partner wanting to defend?

it means

I've had thoughts like maybe it's not Lucy, or maybe it's not Sparkles, because they've not had many defenders. But if they're a wolf there's only person who has agenda to defend them so it'll not be a relevant voice in the overall thread and isn't something I'm thinking about because of that

[Marmot]

No just my town paranoia.

I already have worries about you and marmar also pocketing me

If you find a way to put these fears into words, I would encourage you to do so for whoever you have in mind. Give folks the opportunity to impact your perception and your confidence level.

Stuff like Wilgz quick turnaround on reading my slot. Yes he idnt taking in account two state game and what not so this is just me being about the quickness.

Marmar read on me based off gut and not like concrete stuff. Has been sheeping my ideas and what not (which gives me pause).

You, reads also based off gut and not actual concrete stuff. Just been super agreeable with me.

Yes my paranoia is based on a lot of people agreeing with me and their reads on me.

Well, you have been asking us to listen to you, and though I don't feel as strongly on esooa as you do, I'm trying to give it a fair shake.

[Esooa]

the last part is supposed to be orange, I've not done coloring on ts

[DrWilgy]

(what if Wilgz is pocketing me)

Is there something in particular that gives you that impression?

No just my town paranoia.

I already have worries about you and marmar also pocketing me

I think you believe your arguments, if town that's a rather good thing. If w, you've done some mental gymnastics.

I am just really hung at Alison T reading Esooa.

[Marmot]

there is literally no one in this game who is thinking more than "well nanook I guess can be voted and Esooa said good things about the wolf once so end it there and kill her too I suppose," it's like literally the worst game possible to play lol

Cuz I'm lazy

[Sabiplz]

No just my town paranoia.

I already have worries about you and marmar also pocketing me

If you find a way to put these fears into words, I would encourage you to do so for whoever you have in mind. Give folks the opportunity to impact your perception and your confidence level.

Stuff like Wilgz quick turnaround on reading my slot. Yes he idnt taking in account two state game and what not so this is just me being about the quickness.

Marmar read on me based off gut and not like concrete stuff. Has been sheeping my ideas and what not (which gives me pause).

You, reads also based off gut and not actual concrete stuff. Just been super agreeable with me.

Yes my paranoia is based on a lot of people agreeing with me and their reads on me.

Well, you have been asking us to listen to you, and though I don't feel as strongly on esooa as you do, I'm trying to give it a fair shake.

I know I just get paranoid sometimes.

What is your take on her pop in and assessment on the votes on her? Esp her take on you, saying you weren't accurate about her?

[DrWilgy]

Also, I've thought about the few defenders thing a bit irt maybe not Lucy, maybe not Sparkles, but really if they're a wolf then they have 1 partner who may defend them and it's just not really going to sway me thinking about it like that.

Break it down for me real quick then Esooa, perhaps the negatives in 'maybe not lucy, maybe not Sparkles' made me think you would think between them they'd have one partner wanting to defend?

it means

I've had thoughts like maybe it's not Lucy, or maybe it's not Sparkles, because they've not had many defenders. But if they're a wolf there's only person who has agenda to defend them so it'll not be a relevant voice in the overall thread and isn't something I'm thinking about because of that

Thank you.

[Marmot]

Deeper review of Wilgy

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Spoiler: show

Alison W

Nook T
Falcon T
Sabi T

JJJ W.

We've been in RVS too long for a Jay game.

These are, as far as I can tell, the first true content posts Wilgy provided (his 14th and 16th posts overall). So perhaps he did fluff a bit before getting into things. That's not a charitable interpretation, I grant. These reads generally seem believable given the context in which they arrived, albeit without explanations.

If there's one read here that raises questions, it would be the Nanook read. To this point, Nanook had made six posts, none of which really amounted to solving content. Wilgy, if you can remember this moment, any kind of expansion on that read would be super.

Spoiler: show

I do think we've found a good portion of the town so far.

Gut says wolves are in the non-present.

As of this post, I believe most players had been in the thread not including Sparkles (her first post came about three hours later). That's a nice look, as it implies a pretty restrictive POE that hit at least one mafia.

Spoiler: show

Jay, however, what do you make of Marmot?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I'd like your thoughts on Marmot as well.

Ty for the takes. I agree.

Wilgy: I think jjj and Sabi are town

Nook: I think jjj and Sabi are scum, also wigly town

(I infer that nooks wilgy read is a townread)

:/

I raised the subject as this was the 2nd thing that I assessed as off.

Too early for the :/ face. That's like a day 2 post flip on a town yeet you really wanted to sheep reaction.

It's a small moment, but this progression does display some inkling of investment by Wilgy in moving his own hunt.

Spoiler: show

After the game I might change Wilgy's undertitle to "Ancient Creature of Syndicate Lore"

A slanking menace from the deep.

I would like for everyone to place a vote regarding their favorite new DrWilgy undertitle:

1. Ancient Creature of Syndicate Lore
2. Slanking Menace from the Deep

They're both class. Let's get it right.

Spoiler: show

I find all of Jay's analysis so far to be correct.

Whether or not it derives from TMI and is well hidden behind truthful towny review or not, I think is very much pro town and thus they have earned a TR.

This could be called a rather frivolous town read of me. It's cool to agree with my analyses, and that's okay as a starting point for a town read. The progression from this point will be a matter of interest for me.

Spoiler: show

Sabi
JJJ
Falcon
Marmot
Nook
OW
Alison

Per my memory of this stretch of the game, I think these reads were a decent blend of consensus and counter-culture. The Alison and Marmot reads might have been relatively controversial, but generally it's about where the flow of the game was (including my own reads sans Alison). I appreciate that blend, because it doesn't imply either of the two more blatant agendas that a mafioso might pursue -- status quo boredom or total revolutionary contrianism. The balance is okay.

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Falcon and JJJ are I think the most flexible of my green reads rn for the simple fact that they are day 3-4 catches if they are W.

I'm more confident in my Marmot and Sabi read.

Jays read of Marmot I think just kinda town firms them. It's not a W/W interaction and I trust Jay's read if he's town.

This is a post I quite like. The Marmot read in particular adds a layer of nuance via gamestate awareness that I think fits congruently with a Wilgy mindset bent on sorting that gamestate.

Spoiler: show

There is utility to what Alison has done over the last page or so independent of falcon's involvement (that sort of ties in with the "I'll take on the Mac role" mindset). I won't expand on that for the moment; I'd prefer she continue to engage the game her way before I speak on it further.

Generally, from a strategic standpoint, this is token Alison. And that's fine. I would expect to see a set of strong, principled posts from her regardless of alignment. My focus isn't on the strategy being employed but rather on the motivation, and I am inclined to perceive that motivation as genuine for the moment. I will expand when it strikes me as pertinent.

This comment is largely NAI towards Alison which is odd.

Unless I'm misunderstanding, but it felt like you posted without stance there Jay.

Is token Alison a W or T statement?

I suggested before that I wanted to see Wilgy's progression on me, and this sequence is promising. After having dropped me in the town bucket he still paid me close scrutiny and sought clarity.

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who is outed wolf

Jay is outed wolf, vote him imo

k well your reads seem bad

Good thing I'm sheeping wilgy then innit

[VOTE: Nook] aubergine

Wilgy didn't accept Nanook's sheep votes with open arms. There's wifom in that, but at least it suggests the potential for critical assessment of Nanook's motivations.

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To expand a little on some of my prior Alison commentary:

I think that she must be interpreted for motivation (at least before results-based assessment via flips can provide additional insight), because her principled strategies and application of her views of logic to the game are going to be consistent and generally unrevealing. For her to turn the day into a combative thunderdomy mess, ham-fisting the "murder falcon" narrative wouldn't be especially productive on its own power unless falcon is exactly mafia; indeed, it'd even remind me of Halvosen Ridge Day 1 between her and Rondo (both mafia).

Alison's handling of this incident was considerably more nuanced and more balanced, in that she seemed to understand and intend the greater function of her attacks -- to turn the game thread into something pro-town regardless of falcon. This is the kind of thing I think she associates with MacDougall, validly, and I have behaved similarly in many past games. As soon as folks began to interact with her calls to murder falcon [and then her if he flips green etc], she took inventory (e.g., #240) and morphed it into different reads (e.g., #267, #330) stemming directly from that origin combat. I think that's a nice sign.

Aye, that's where I was yesterday before I had to step away.

The Falcon strong arm is appearing to be utilized and thus I'm good with it being pro-town. I would like to add that half my bickering at it was because I wanted to see it move, but I will say that trying to be a movement pressure is so far is so far out of my crouching moron hidden slanker that I didn't know if I was assisting in a way that wasn't distracting. I think it moved in a proper direction, BUT I'm not sure if I'm correct on how to read as it moved with mechanisms that I added not knowing if I did so correctly or not.

What I'm trying to say is I agree and the outside perspective helps.

After having previously listed Alison as a red read, and then after getting into that lengthy dialogue about "ego" with her, he was willing to move his perspective as seen here. That's decent from the standpoint of narrowing POE.

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I think everyones hould stop posting

This is a meme ass post and I like it. Nai but I like it. Not even sure if the contextual humor between the lucy/falc post count thing was intended or not, but that's how I read it.

Suppose I can use this moment to put reads as of this post in the thread:
Still thinking:
JJJ
MARM
SABI
FALC
ALISON

are town or pro town enough to not put in PoE.

NOOK will just inevitably need to be clipped if he doesn't stop shitposting.

Lucy's feeling off, like yes I get Lucy's relatively soft d1 meta, but something is off from the get go and idk how to describe it.

Esooa is null
OA is null

Sparkles is w lean

And in so doing, Wilgy produces this reads list that POEs Sparkles all by her lonesome. That is quite a clean progression that ends in precisely the right place.

~~~

Otherwise, refer to my prior assessment of Wilgy. That contains what would essentially be the counter-case, relating primarily to his vote for outed wolf.

When I raised questions in this review, I felt like I was nitpicking (and the case regarding his outed wolf vote kind of gives me a similar vibe). When I gave credit, it felt like credit earned. I still think Wilgy looks town.

Ancient Creature of Syndicate Lore will do

[Sabiplz]

(what if Wilgz is pocketing me)

Is there something in particular that gives you that impression?

No just my town paranoia.

I already have worries about you and marmar also pocketing me

I think you believe your arguments, if town that's a rather good thing. If w, you've done some mental gymnastics.

I am just really hung at Alison T reading Esooa.

Why is Alison t reading Esooa this major thing? You have read her.

Alison can be wrong and has been wrong this game. Esooa could have been buddying with up with Alison eith the whole agreeing with her takes especially in regards to lucy.

[Esooa]

yes, I could have been buddying with her, and my master plan finally coming to fruition with her town reading me I murdered her in the night to silence her voice

doesn't matter tho cause wifom exists

[DrWilgy]

No just my town paranoia.

I already have worries about you and marmar also pocketing me

If you find a way to put these fears into words, I would encourage you to do so for whoever you have in mind. Give folks the opportunity to impact your perception and your confidence level.

Stuff like Wilgz quick turnaround on reading my slot. Yes he idnt taking in account two state game and what not so this is just me being about the quickness.

Marmar read on me based off gut and not like concrete stuff. Has been sheeping my ideas and what not (which gives me pause).

You, reads also based off gut and not actual concrete stuff. Just been super agreeable with me.

Yes my paranoia is based on a lot of people agreeing with me and their reads on me.

You'd have to have fooled what I think to be just about every town member for you to be wolf. I think that's also very much helping you being on top of the town pile.

My take on Alison being yeeted pointing towards you was half to question 'who'd be the deepwolf' but at that time I didn't really assess Sparkles who spewed you town.

[Sabiplz]

Do I have to go through Alison and Esooa isos and time stamp when Alison said opinions and when Esooa said opinions and see if Esooa copied Alison?

I want to be lazy but if I need to do this to prove my case I will.

[Marmot]

No just my town paranoia.

I already have worries about you and marmar also pocketing me

If you find a way to put these fears into words, I would encourage you to do so for whoever you have in mind. Give folks the opportunity to impact your perception and your confidence level.

Stuff like Wilgz quick turnaround on reading my slot. Yes he idnt taking in account two state game and what not so this is just me being about the quickness.

Marmar read on me based off gut and not like concrete stuff. Has been sheeping my ideas and what not (which gives me pause).

You, reads also based off gut and not actual concrete stuff. Just been super agreeable with me.

Yes my paranoia is based on a lot of people agreeing with me and their reads on me.

Well, you have been asking us to listen to you, and though I don't feel as strongly on esooa as you do, I'm trying to give it a fair shake.

I know I just get paranoid sometimes.

What is your take on her pop in and assessment on the votes on her? Esp her take on you, saying you weren't accurate about her?

I noticed that she had a more scathing response to your vote than anyone else's, which I'm scratching my head at.

[DrWilgy]

Nanook kill is still the most boring thing I can imagine and will almost always prompt another day of people repeating themselves about the most ridiculous reads possible on me so I'm inclined to beg you just let me be free still

this is silly in a bad way.

we have 1 member of mafia left. Nook is as boring as anyone else.

[Esooa]

No just my town paranoia.

I already have worries about you and marmar also pocketing me

If you find a way to put these fears into words, I would encourage you to do so for whoever you have in mind. Give folks the opportunity to impact your perception and your confidence level.

Stuff like Wilgz quick turnaround on reading my slot. Yes he idnt taking in account two state game and what not so this is just me being about the quickness.

Marmar read on me based off gut and not like concrete stuff. Has been sheeping my ideas and what not (which gives me pause).

You, reads also based off gut and not actual concrete stuff. Just been super agreeable with me.

Yes my paranoia is based on a lot of people agreeing with me and their reads on me.

Well, you have been asking us to listen to you, and though I don't feel as strongly on esooa as you do, I'm trying to give it a fair shake.

I know I just get paranoid sometimes.

What is your take on her pop in and assessment on the votes on her? Esp her take on you, saying you weren't accurate about her?

I noticed that she had a more scathing response to your vote than anyone else's, which I'm scratching my head at.

Again, you've already said by now that you were mostly just vote hoping along to see about it, which was also a bit more obvious considering you moved your vote 3 times in a pretty short timespan, and Wilgy misread something I said as his reasoning. Sabi has been giving bad reasons to wolf read me and nothing else with no respite

[Marmot]

Let us also not forget, esooa claimed wolf.

[Sabiplz]

No just my town paranoia.

I already have worries about you and marmar also pocketing me

If you find a way to put these fears into words, I would encourage you to do so for whoever you have in mind. Give folks the opportunity to impact your perception and your confidence level.

Stuff like Wilgz quick turnaround on reading my slot. Yes he idnt taking in account two state game and what not so this is just me being about the quickness.

Marmar read on me based off gut and not like concrete stuff. Has been sheeping my ideas and what not (which gives me pause).

You, reads also based off gut and not actual concrete stuff. Just been super agreeable with me.

Yes my paranoia is based on a lot of people agreeing with me and their reads on me.

Well, you have been asking us to listen to you, and though I don't feel as strongly on esooa as you do, I'm trying to give it a fair shake.

I know I just get paranoid sometimes.

What is your take on her pop in and assessment on the votes on her? Esp her take on you, saying you weren't accurate about her?

I noticed that she had a more scathing response to your vote than anyone else's, which I'm scratching my head at.

Because she can't push you and Wilgz. I'm the weakest of the trio. Easier to discredit my argument than either of yalls.

[Marmot]

How are you weak Sabi? I don't think of you as weak

[Esooa]

Nanook kill is still the most boring thing I can imagine and will almost always prompt another day of people repeating themselves about the most ridiculous reads possible on me so I'm inclined to beg you just let me be free still

this is silly in a bad way.

we have 1 member of mafia left. Nook is as boring as anyone else.

I just don't think a Nanook kill is anything other than "well, we don't know if anyone else is a wolf so should kill him now." Which if you arrive there, fine, but I don't really feel like anyones arrived there rather than just gone with the path of least resistance

Maybe I'm wrong because I'm obviously town and fmpov the PoE is literally "kill a towny and that one guy who hasn't really done anything wolfy, and if that doesn't end the game we're all clueless on it" but still

[Esooa]

Let us also not forget, esooa claimed wolf.

real

[DrWilgy]

(what if Wilgz is pocketing me)

Is there something in particular that gives you that impression?

No just my town paranoia.

I already have worries about you and marmar also pocketing me

I think you believe your arguments, if town that's a rather good thing. If w, you've done some mental gymnastics.

I am just really hung at Alison T reading Esooa.

Why is Alison t reading Esooa this major thing? You have read her.

Alison can be wrong and has been wrong this game. Esooa could have been buddying with up with Alison eith the whole agreeing with her takes especially in regards to lucy.

Because it doesn't make sense with the night yeet.

Like, I get it if Alison was still alive and barking at Nook or something dumb, but Alison is dead and spoke favorably of the person that killed them?

Unless the line is to just wifom for wifom sake, but I'm not sure yet if I even saw esooa suggest the wifom in alison's death before I saw it.

[Sabiplz]

How are you weak Sabi? I don't think of you as weak

Because, as Alison mentioned several times, I fall for ate from others. Also I don't do well when pressured because I start second guessing myself.

[DrWilgy]

Do I have to go through Alison and Esooa isos and time stamp when Alison said opinions and when Esooa said opinions and see if Esooa copied Alison?

I want to be lazy but if I need to do this to prove my case I will.

I mean, it'd help?

[Esooa]

No just my town paranoia.

I already have worries about you and marmar also pocketing me

If you find a way to put these fears into words, I would encourage you to do so for whoever you have in mind. Give folks the opportunity to impact your perception and your confidence level.

Stuff like Wilgz quick turnaround on reading my slot. Yes he idnt taking in account two state game and what not so this is just me being about the quickness.

Marmar read on me based off gut and not like concrete stuff. Has been sheeping my ideas and what not (which gives me pause).

You, reads also based off gut and not actual concrete stuff. Just been super agreeable with me.

Yes my paranoia is based on a lot of people agreeing with me and their reads on me.

Well, you have been asking us to listen to you, and though I don't feel as strongly on esooa as you do, I'm trying to give it a fair shake.

I know I just get paranoid sometimes.

What is your take on her pop in and assessment on the votes on her? Esp her take on you, saying you weren't accurate about her?

I noticed that she had a more scathing response to your vote than anyone else's, which I'm scratching my head at.

Because she can't push you and Wilgz. I'm the weakest of the trio. Easier to discredit my argument than either of yalls.

I'm making a wolf salad too, but my salad apparently is composed of all possible ingredients, from pocketing someone then killing them, watching my wolf partner die but not bussing them, pushing the hardest to push player JJJ but then having to push the easiest. And what's amazing, is all the ingredients work together. A master chef

[Sabiplz]

Do I have to go through Alison and Esooa isos and time stamp when Alison said opinions and when Esooa said opinions and see if Esooa copied Alison?

I want to be lazy but if I need to do this to prove my case I will.

I mean, it'd help?

Will do so tomorrow.

[DrWilgy]

Nanook kill is still the most boring thing I can imagine and will almost always prompt another day of people repeating themselves about the most ridiculous reads possible on me so I'm inclined to beg you just let me be free still

this is silly in a bad way.

we have 1 member of mafia left. Nook is as boring as anyone else.

I just don't think a Nanook kill is anything other than "well, we don't know if anyone else is a wolf so should kill him now." Which if you arrive there, fine, but I don't really feel like anyones arrived there rather than just gone with the path of least resistance

Maybe I'm wrong because I'm obviously town and fmpov the PoE is literally "kill a towny and that one guy who hasn't really done anything wolfy, and if that doesn't end the game we're all clueless on it" but still

I mean, I think there's been plenty of stated reasons as to why everyone else has been removed from PoE.

[Esooa]

Like Sabi is literally making excuses to keep me as a wolf read, not think of actual reasons. If they are, I have no clue how they're getting to the things they're saying. So I'm voting them. That's really all there is too it rn, though

[DrWilgy]

Like Sabi is literally making excuses to keep me as a wolf read, not think of actual reasons. If they are, I have no clue how they're getting to the things they're saying. So I'm voting them. That's really all there is too it rn, though

Can you detail me your current PoE?

[Esooa]

Nanook kill is still the most boring thing I can imagine and will almost always prompt another day of people repeating themselves about the most ridiculous reads possible on me so I'm inclined to beg you just let me be free still

this is silly in a bad way.

we have 1 member of mafia left. Nook is as boring as anyone else.

I just don't think a Nanook kill is anything other than "well, we don't know if anyone else is a wolf so should kill him now." Which if you arrive there, fine, but I don't really feel like anyones arrived there rather than just gone with the path of least resistance

Maybe I'm wrong because I'm obviously town and fmpov the PoE is literally "kill a towny and that one guy who hasn't really done anything wolfy, and if that doesn't end the game we're all clueless on it" but still

I mean, I think there's been plenty of stated reasons as to why everyone else has been removed from PoE.

Having your PoE be what it is right now is cause for concern irt those reasons

[Esooa]

Like Sabi is literally making excuses to keep me as a wolf read, not think of actual reasons. If they are, I have no clue how they're getting to the things they're saying. So I'm voting them. That's really all there is too it rn, though

Can you detail me your current PoE?

idk, still trying to figure it out.

Tbh probably half of why this is annoying so much is because we already spent a day killing Lucy because she basically decided that she was going to die doing nothing and now I don't want to kill Nanook and have another flip that does nothing for the game unless it ends it so meh

[Marmot]

Nanook kill is still the most boring thing I can imagine and will almost always prompt another day of people repeating themselves about the most ridiculous reads possible on me so I'm inclined to beg you just let me be free still

this is silly in a bad way.

we have 1 member of mafia left. Nook is as boring as anyone else.

I just don't think a Nanook kill is anything other than "well, we don't know if anyone else is a wolf so should kill him now." Which if you arrive there, fine, but I don't really feel like anyones arrived there rather than just gone with the path of least resistance

Maybe I'm wrong because I'm obviously town and fmpov the PoE is literally "kill a towny and that one guy who hasn't really done anything wolfy, and if that doesn't end the game we're all clueless on it" but still

That's not how we got to chopping Nanook though.

[Esooa]

like if Nanook dies town we're going to be on day 4 that's basically day 2, one day from lylo with nothing to show for it for an entire week. But I guess that isn't the best reasoning to not want to kill Nanook. Sabi's posts about me still are p bad tho

[Esooa]

Nanook kill is still the most boring thing I can imagine and will almost always prompt another day of people repeating themselves about the most ridiculous reads possible on me so I'm inclined to beg you just let me be free still

this is silly in a bad way.

we have 1 member of mafia left. Nook is as boring as anyone else.

I just don't think a Nanook kill is anything other than "well, we don't know if anyone else is a wolf so should kill him now." Which if you arrive there, fine, but I don't really feel like anyones arrived there rather than just gone with the path of least resistance

Maybe I'm wrong because I'm obviously town and fmpov the PoE is literally "kill a towny and that one guy who hasn't really done anything wolfy, and if that doesn't end the game we're all clueless on it" but still

That's not how we got to chopping Nanook though.

Do you tihnk he's posted wolfy things?

[Marmot]

How are you weak Sabi? I don't think of you as weak

Because, as Alison mentioned several times, I fall for ate from others. Also I don't do well when pressured because I start second guessing myself.

I'm in the same boat, though I don't always vocalize it.