Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]

[Alison]

If Ender flips W I am in charge tbh. Jay after me if I die.

Jay/Boq looking kinda sus

If Ender is W then Jay/Boq are likely cleared, Jay was Ender's main rival in thread and Boq supported Jay when it was unpopular to do so.

Didn't you describe Jay's interactions with Ender on Day 2 as wolf theater?

I no longer buy that read. It was based on a misconception of how they felt about each other on D2.

And anyway since then they have gone at each other hard enough that I don't think they are bussing.

[Marmot]

Did anyone even have a wolf game from Ender for comparison?

His Champs game (where he was wolf) was incredibly different, but I don't know if the difference was particularly AI (Ender was very stubbornly avoidant early on this game)

[Creature]

If Ender fooled me again by bringing a totally different wolf game I'm gonna be pissed (and impressed).

Damn so it is a miss?

[robyn]

I think lucy is kinda outed if Ender flips W. She tried to vote Jay at first and then slunk over to his wagon sheepishly when it became clear Ender was going to go over.

lol, no. that would get me lynched

You have used the "I would take heat for this if I was scum, so I wouldn't do it as scum" defense too often this game for me to keep swallowing it.

when I flip town promise me to laugh, also that's probably a future scum tell I would have 100% had

[Creature]

Jay/Boq suspects if Ender flips town

[Marmot]

If Ender fooled me again by bringing a totally different wolf game I'm gonna be pissed (and impressed).

Damn so it is a miss?

I think Nate's admitting that Ender's his teammate.

[Creature]

Third might be fingersplints or a random LHF

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't figure Alison is teamed with Ender largely because she was so unaware of his position in the game.

[EnderWiggin]

Remember me when the tides shift blue and the skies are grey.
Remember me when you realise who it is who holds sway,
The darkest night becalms with healthy rise,
When green the blood of he who dies.

[Dyslexicon]

But what they didn't know, was that Dizzy had TMI that Ender was town.
Not the other way around...

Jay/Boq/?

[Creature]

If Ender fooled me again by bringing a totally different wolf game I'm gonna be pissed (and impressed).

Damn so it is a miss?

I think Nate's admitting that Ender's his teammate.

Are you laughing about town's face now?

[Dyslexicon]

Remember me when the tides shift blue and the skies are grey.
Remember me when you realise who it is who holds sway,
The darkest night becalms with healthy rise,
When green the blood of he who dies.

Aw, nice job buddying me, buddy <3

[Creature]

But what they didn't know, was that Dizzy had TMI that Ender was town.
Not the other way around...

Jay/Boq/?

Perhaps Rondo, but meh

[Marmot]

Remember me when the tides shift blue and the skies are grey.
Remember me when you realise who it is who holds sway,
The darkest night becalms with healthy rise,
When green the blood of he who dies.

I thought you weren't coming back!

[Creature]

Some players are so forgettable this game

[Marmot]

If Ender fooled me again by bringing a totally different wolf game I'm gonna be pissed (and impressed).

Damn so it is a miss?

I think Nate's admitting that Ender's his teammate.

Are you laughing about town's face now?

I... don't know?

[Creature]

Fucking dammit

[EnderWiggin]

Popped in and saw my wagon was too big.

Just remember

Marmot doesn't get charge, that's my legacy. Yeet him after Jay tbh tbh tbh (If Jay flips red.)

[G-Man]

CASE FILE: The Halvøsen Ridge Incident- Additional Trauma (ctd)

From the Original Investigation File (translated): Kjell Varland’s body was recovered from the bottom of a 20-meter ravine. His was the only corpse to show signs of substantial tissue damage. This is postulated to be due to falling into the ravine.



Contemporary Notes: There is a notable gap in the estimated time of death of the first four victims of the Halvøsen party and the rest. This is likely due to a period of collecting everyone together and attempting to build a fire. The location where the majority of the party members were found did not offer much in the way of fire-starting material, but it served as a suitable and flat place to gather.

Around 100 additional meters down the face of Jiehkkevárri is where more suitable scrub and woody vegetation is found, even in early April. Unfortunately, the way down from the party’s emergency encampment is steep and technically challenging. This likely forced them to gather what little scrub they could within 25 vertical meters from where they gathered.

I suspect that Kjell Varland was one of the Tent 1 members of the party attempting to gather some of this scrub for a fire while some from Tent 2 were assessing the situation. As Varland was among the underdressed, it is likely that his coordination began to suffer as he gathered scrub from the edge of the ravine that claimed his life.

Given that Varland and Kristian Tufte were both known to be vying for the affection of Astrid Mauseth at the time of the incident, popular speculation was that Tufte may have used to the opportunity to eliminate his competition by pushing Varland into the ravine. Such conspiracies perpetuate to this day, despite the insistence by both Tufte’s and Varland’s families that such an outcome was unthinkable between two young men who were otherwise good friends.

EnderWiggin is dead. He was a member of the Halvøsen hiking party and a civilian.

It is now Night 3.

[G-Man]

CASE FILE: The Halvøsen Ridge Incident- Additional Trauma (ctd)

From the Original Investigation File (translated): Gunnar Kleppel’s jacket was found on the corpse of another member of the expedition. This caused momentary confusion upon discovery of the deceased. Kleppel’s body was later discovered buried under a thin layer of snow just 15 vertical meters from the original campsite.

His exposure to the melting and refreezing caused considerable external tissue damage that was first believed to be evidence of an attack. His left ankle and several fingers on both hands were broken.



Contemporary Notes: While much attention has been paid to Kleppel’s injuries, his heroic intent must be inferred from the circumstances. First, he made it down to the lower site with the rest of the Halvøsen party. While they attempted to light a fire with meager scrub, Kleppel at some point realized it was prudent for someone to return to the original campsite to search for the missing Jørgen Huseth, check the safety of the campsite, retrieve warmer clothing for everyone down below, or any combination of those three. Before heading back up the mountain, he gave his jacket to the wounded Astrid Mauseth to help keep her warm while in shock from her injuries.

Kleppel’s own injuries are easy to explain. On his way back up to the campsite, he lost his footing. His ankle rolled underneath him, snapping his fibula just above the lateral malleolus. In this instant, he fell face first and reached out to brace himself. Rather than catch himself, his fall caused him to land with most of his body weight on his hands, snapping two fingers on his right hand and three on his left.

His body was found facedown on the mountain, suggesting that he tried to fight through his pain and injuries and will himself up the face of Jiehkkevárri, but to no avail. It is possible that he was close enough to the campsite to see the light of the flashlight that Einar Halvøsen hung from the second tent before following the occupants of Tent 1 down the mountain.

Dyslexicon is dead. He was a member of the Halvøsen hiking party and a civilian.

It is now Day 4.

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@Alison
@Boquise
@Creature
@Dyslexicon
@fingersplints
@JaggedJimmyJay
@lucy
@Marmot
@NateTheLesser
@RondoDimBuckle

[Marmot]

[VOTE: jay] aubergine tbh

[Marmot]

I'll be around in a few to chat more

[Alison]

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

[robyn]

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

[NateTheLesser]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I've lost a lot of confidence that my early game focus was good, and this is where my gut reassessment is telling me to start. Haven't had much time to re-read overnight, so I'll attach actual reasoning as I go back and check my gut against actual posts.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I've lost a lot of confidence that my early game focus was good, and this is where my gut reassessment is telling me to start. Haven't had much time to re-read overnight, so I'll attach actual reasoning as I go back and check my gut against actual posts.

I would like you to explain more when you can. I'll be honest, this looks like an excuse to conf-bias yourself into voting me.

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: sleep. ] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

I should clarify that I am not happy with Ender going over at all and I am going to be reassessing everyt

[RondoDimBuckle]

I should clarify that I am not happy with Ender going over at all and I am going to be reassessing everything

[Marmot]

I shoulda done poll snapshots, that would've been useful.

There was a time yesterday when Alison was a primary candidate alongside Jay (and possibly Ender too at the time), and her wagon fell off in place of Ender's. I'm not sure if there's anything significant about that, but it's plausible given that Ender was probably always going to be easier to elim than Alison.

[Marmot]

I should clarify that I am not happy with Ender going over at all and I am going to be reassessing everything

Were you confident he was town? I honestly don't remember.

[Alison]

I shoulda done poll snapshots, that would've been useful.

There was a time yesterday when Alison was a primary candidate alongside Jay (and possibly Ender too at the time), and her wagon fell off in place of Ender's. I'm not sure if there's anything significant about that, but it's plausible given that Ender was probably always going to be easier to elim than Alison.

My memory was that it was a 4-way tie (two votes each) between me, Ender, Jay, and Creature. Creature was definitely being pushed less than the three of us, though.

I was receiving heat and I think I was definitely a prime candidate until I argued that I had no reason to give finger a pass as scum and people agreed with that argument. Wagons mostly coalesced towards Ender/Jay after that at my urging, with some holdouts on Creature.

[NateTheLesser]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I've lost a lot of confidence that my early game focus was good, and this is where my gut reassessment is telling me to start. Haven't had much time to re-read overnight, so I'll attach actual reasoning as I go back and check my gut against actual posts.

I would like you to explain more when you can. I'll be honest, this looks like an excuse to conf-bias yourself into voting me.

I will. Whatever this is it's not conf-bias, it's explicitly a change of opinion.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I've lost a lot of confidence that my early game focus was good, and this is where my gut reassessment is telling me to start. Haven't had much time to re-read overnight, so I'll attach actual reasoning as I go back and check my gut against actual posts.

I would like you to explain more when you can. I'll be honest, this looks like an excuse to conf-bias yourself into voting me.

I will. Whatever this is it's not conf-bias, it's explicitly a change of opinion.

Sure. It's just that you've stated you haven't had time to reread, but are voting me and going to find reasoning for it.

I believe you'd had a townread on me to this point, albeit you've often stated that NKA points to me being a wolf. So I'm curious why your gut read is pointing to me.

[NateTheLesser]

I shoulda done poll snapshots, that would've been useful.

There was a time yesterday when Alison was a primary candidate alongside Jay (and possibly Ender too at the time), and her wagon fell off in place of Ender's. I'm not sure if there's anything significant about that, but it's plausible given that Ender was probably always going to be easier to elim than Alison.

My spreadsheet stuff should be ready later this evening, so that'll help for things like this.

Is this suspicion that Alison was being saved?

[Marmot]

I shoulda done poll snapshots, that would've been useful.

There was a time yesterday when Alison was a primary candidate alongside Jay (and possibly Ender too at the time), and her wagon fell off in place of Ender's. I'm not sure if there's anything significant about that, but it's plausible given that Ender was probably always going to be easier to elim than Alison.

My spreadsheet stuff should be ready later this evening, so that'll help for things like this.

Is this suspicion that Alison was being saved?

Not necessarily. More that Jay is definitely a wolf here, and that Ender was a more optimal counter-wagon to save him.

[Marmot]

Thanks again for the vote charts Nate, I look forward to it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay then. I guess I get to play the part of Ephemera or Lag or Achromatic in this mountainous tragedy. Woohoo.

I am going to have a whole lot going on over the next real-time day or so including this evening, but I will be here when I can to try to make a positive difference in this game. I'm going to try to start from scratch and do a full reassessment of the entire game. I didn't even look at this thing during the night phase. So please be patient. The game doesn't have to be torched in a dumpster.

[Marmot]

I still think Creature's town tbh. I review two of his scum games and two of his town games in the last year, and his posting is far more in line with his town games. Specifically his paranoid complaints about mis-elimming at EOD. There's just none of that in his scum games, and quite a bit in his town games.

Town

Pandas vs Trash Pandas
RPG Mafia

Scum

Rings of Power
Fall of Númenor



Creature voters, I'm curious if you agree with this take.

[Marmot]

Okay then. I guess I get to play the part of Ephemera or Lag or Achromatic in this mountainous tragedy. Woohoo.

I am going to have a whole lot going on over the next real-time day or so including this evening, but I will be here when I can to try to make a positive difference in this game. I'm going to try to start from scratch and do a full reassessment of the entire game. I didn't even look at this thing during the night phase. So please be patient. The game doesn't have to be torched in a dumpster.

What's the comparison between you and these players?

[Marmot]

Why is this a tragedy lol. Town is supposed to lose this setup 75% of the time

[Marmot]

I still think Creature's town tbh. I review two of his scum games and two of his town games in the last year, and his posting is far more in line with his town games. Specifically his paranoid complaints about mis-elimming at EOD. There's just none of that in his scum games, and quite a bit in his town games.

Town

Pandas vs Trash Pandas
RPG Mafia

Scum

Rings of Power
Fall of Númenor



Creature voters, I'm curious if you agree with this take.

@fingersplints @RondoDimBuckle @NateTheLesser

[NateTheLesser]

Alright, Spreadsheets

Day 1 Votes:

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Day 2 Votes:

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Day 3 Votes:
(I added a line where the 24hr break was)

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Waterfall:

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EOD Wagons:

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[Marmot]

goat

[Marmot]

Seanzie's legacy - reads on other players

Alison
P#650 - Day 1, Sean agrees with Mac that Alison pressing Rondo for his anti-town play on Day 1 reeks.
P#1193 - Sean backs off of his early Alison suspicion, but admits it could because she hadn't posted much.
P#1265 - null read.
P#2819 - Day 2, Sean called Alison's "legacy" posts from Day 1 performative and more meta-replicative of her town game than natural.


Boquise
P#1265 - Day 1, town read, although admits that was influenced by thread consensus, rather than being his own personal read.


Creature
P#1193 - Day 1, Sean considers a Jay/Creature scum team, but admits it stems from a tinfoil of Jay, but also that Creature originally good content is fading.
P#1265 - null read.
P#1457 - Sean considers Creature's strong rebuttal to Mac's proposal a reasonable argument for Creature to be town (or possibly wolves with Mac, who has since flipped town).
P#2450 - Day 2, Sean doesn't like Jay's vote on Creature, and also thinks Creature isn't a good vote.
P#2463 - Sean explains further his thoughts on why Creature is town, namely that is doomsayer posts and against-the-grain reads don't align with a player wanting to fit in in a strong playerlist.


fingersplints
P#1265 - Day 1, nullish read.
P#2553 - Day 2, Sean doesn't have an opinion of fingersplints, says he will ISO her.
P#2664 - Sean tells fingersplints he might vote for her, asks her if she thinks the heat she's received is justified.
P#2734 - Votes for fingersplints (he eventually ends up on Wilgy).


JaggedJimmyJay
P#54 - Day 0, Gives Jay a page 2 townread.
P#1193 - Day 1, This is the Creature/Jay team post. Sean calls townread of him weird and overly generous, and also calls his whole readlist in general a sort-by-postcount list (albeit he accepts that's natural sometimes).
P#1265 - Nullish read.
P#2073 - Day 2, Sean says that he's wary of Jay's interactive analyses, specifically that they're quick, the reasons for anti-teaming people are weak, and the exercise is bad. This discussion continues for a while.
P#2089 - Sean votes for Jay, based on a vote that Jay called opportunistic.
P#2450 - Sean gets bad feels from Jay voting for Creature.
P#2467 - Sean admits to lucy that he's naturally wary of players like Jay (players with clout), and inherently doesn't trust them, so doesn't want to push him too hard. He also doesn't feel he can get the thread backing for it.
P#3044 - Sean thinks that a red Wilgy means we should give Jay more of a look.


lucy
P#66 - Day 0, Sean gives lucy a townread for snideness, curiosity, and pushing the game forward.
P#1265 - Day 1, strong town read.
P#2206 - Day 2, pressgate begins. This is an extended back and forth that involves lucy saying that she would expect sean to be more aggressive, and sean pressuring her on why she would expect him to behave that way.
P#2213 - Sean votes for lucy.
P#2493 - Sean explains to Nate that he dropped his pressure of lucy (Nate had inferred that Sean was still suspicious of her).


Marmot
P#55 - Day 0, Sean votes me (it's a joke because I asked someone to vote for me).
P#1141 - Day 1, Sean doesn't care for my early progression of him, thinks I'm trying to shade him.
P#1193 - Sean thinks I would have a different take on him if he were town, but admits that might be ego-driven.
P#1265 - Scum read.
P#1903 - Day 2, Sean votes for me.
P#1904 - Sean spends some time arguing that he thinks I don't believe in my reasoning for voting for him.
P#2082 - Sean talks about Wilgy, but maintains that I'm the scumread he feels strongest about still.
P#2155 - Sean votes for me again.
P#2437 - Sean explains to lucy that he thinks that I was fanning the flames during the pressgate discourse.
P#2444 - Sean votes for me again.
P#2493 - Sean tells Nate he should rethink his townread on me.
P#2552 - Sean doesn't like the composition of my wagon, but wants to flip me still (but we can see now that wagon of Wilgy, Sean, Ender is pure lol).
P#2824 - Sean tells Rondo he's still not opposed to my wagon.
P#2833 - Sean votes for me again.


NateTheLesser
P#1265 - Day 1, Nullish read.
P#1367 - Sean votes for Nate.
P#1452 - Sean doesn't understand why people townread Nate, he considers him null.

RondoDimBuckle
P#552 - Day 1, Sean says he doesn't know how to read players like Rondo, so he doesn't try to.
P#563 - Sean would support a policy chop on Rondo if there's nothing better.
P#1265 - Nullish read.


Note: I only included posts where Sean mentions a specific read or votes for a player. I ignored all other discussion of or interaction with players. I also noted where extended discussions happened regarding Sean's read on a player, but only listed the first one.

[Marmot]

That was exhausting.

[Marmot]

@JaggedJimmyJay can I get your current read on Creature?

[Marmot]

Sean didn't have a lot to say to/about the players that he is unfamiliar with (Rondo, Nate, Boq) (and tbh I've had the same problem this game), so I'm not putting much stock in those reads. Lucy is the one exception here.

One thing I noticed from this compilation is that Sean basically scumread to some degree everyone he knew fairly well, and had a null read on everyone he didn't know well. Creature is the only exception to this rule (which is another reason I buy it more than some of his other reads).


I did have a qualm with Sean having no townreads on Day 1, but now I see he just doesn't do townreads lol. Note for future games.

[Marmot]

I don't want to do this for Dizzy, it would take way too long.

[Boquise]

Hi.
Don't think for a second that I didn't see how several players last EOD tried to chainsaw me into an Ender yeet with "if Ender flips town Boq is wolf".

I am surprised I have zero votes and JJJ is getting heat, but I'm going to give everyone who said that homework. Explain why you thought so.

This kill again points at 1 scum inside me/JJJ/Alison btw so I am feeling smug about being right there.

Also. I am only 20 pages left to be done with reading the MU qualis. I am going to have a headache for a wee while afterwards, but it also mean that today I will be able to play with much more ease. Sorry woofs tbh