Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]

[Boquise]

dizzy how aware are you of my town meta tbh

Not very. I've spectated a few games you've been in. I also have an impression of you both as a person and as a player through nebulous mafia community osmosis and teasing you endlessly in specchat. Why are you asking?

because i am super easy to pocket tbh

"I also have an impression of you both as a person and as a player through nebulous mafia community osmosis" this sounds scary :wowee:

[Boquise]

ok i am leaving now tbh

sayonara and stuff

[Marmot]

ok i am leaving now tbh

sayonara and stuff

Wait but I just got here!!!

[Boquise]

ftr i think both finger and marmot are town

[Dyslexicon]

Sean is lacktown, so that's nice

[Dyslexicon]

dizzy how aware are you of my town meta tbh

Not very. I've spectated a few games you've been in. I also have an impression of you both as a person and as a player through nebulous mafia community osmosis and teasing you endlessly in specchat. Why are you asking?

because i am super easy to pocket tbh

Same.

In other words, we're probably not too different in the way we think about things, I regret to inform you.

[Boquise]

ok i am leaving now tbh

sayonara and stuff

Wait but I just got here!!!

[Marmot]

ftr i think both finger and marmot are town

I agree, and I'm sad that the thread thinks that these are the two best options atm.

If you're going to kill me today thread, do not kill fingersplints tomorrow.

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Enderwiggin] aubergine

I kind of don't believe his "something feels off" spiel. For someone who has been "tugging at his clothes", he didn't really seem to have given much recent thought to the two current wagons. I have a hard time thinking someone would have that gamestate read and not be wondering about if the current vote tally is on the right track or not.

I don't believe your questioning line so we can be even stevens.

What questioning line?

The line of questioning that lead you to believe I wasn't actually disquieted

If it helps, I didn't believe you were disquieted before I asked you anything.

See that just matches with my belief.

That being said you admitting it might be a better look than I gave credit for.

Stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill

Vote Falcon with me <3

If it helps any, I also found the whole "tugging at the shirt" thing super weird and a bit fake sounding. The "I have eerie feelings" mid/late D1, it's ehhh...

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Totally unhelpful and shouldn't be said, but I feel like Ender is kind of wolfy, but has a very high chance of being town.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle, I am trying to follow the thread of your play. I see that you did post come consolidated reads of a sort here, and that is appreciated. Two questions:

1) How did you decide on the tiers or groupings of possible mafia in that post?

2) As you play right now and respond to a ton of posts, is that impacting your present view of the game? Does it impact this reads post?

I dont remember putting out a read list? You might be confusing me with someone else?

Spoiler: show

My reads so far

Alison !rand
Boquise !rand
Creature !rand
DrWilgy !rand
Dyslexicon !rand
EnderWiggin wolf
falcon45ca !rand
fingersplints !rand
JaggedJimmyJay !rand
lucy !rand
MacDougall !rand
Marmot !rand
NateTheLesser !rand
RondoDimBuckle !rand
Seanzie !rand

[this is a meme brought to you by the tinfoil ender gang]

Unless you count this giant piece of shit

Please quote the read post you mean and I will respond

Rondo there's a link to the post they were referring to.

@RondoDimBuckle, I am trying to follow the thread of your play. I see that you did post come consolidated reads of a sort here, and that is appreciated. Two questions:

1) How did you decide on the tiers or groupings of possible mafia in that post?

2) As you play right now and respond to a ton of posts, is that impacting your present view of the game? Does it impact this reads post?

I dont remember putting out a read list? You might be confusing me with someone else?

Spoiler: show

My reads so far

Alison !rand
Boquise !rand
Creature !rand
DrWilgy !rand
Dyslexicon !rand
EnderWiggin wolf
falcon45ca !rand
fingersplints !rand
JaggedJimmyJay !rand
lucy !rand
MacDougall !rand
Marmot !rand
NateTheLesser !rand
RondoDimBuckle !rand
Seanzie !rand

[this is a meme brought to you by the tinfoil ender gang]

Unless you count this giant piece of shit

Please quote the read post you mean and I will respond

Please click here

I don’t want to quote the whole thing, too big.

Oh that isnt a reads list, thats why I got confused.

That is a breakdown of how I saw the vote going down from a meta perspective of "knowing" falcon was town, I explain that I dont think wolves would just park vote all day or get on/off at the very end so I skim those to group B.

The rest are the most suspicious of jumping on at opportunistic times, Group A and other wages group C, but I can see I made an error and called it group D. I am ok with this.

So that answers question 1

Question 2

I have been looking for ANY action from fingers that isnt just a pop in, say Hi, look a little busy and then bye. But its all been low effort. It hasnt really changed my perspective so I doubt I am going to move unless as I scroll down I see more Finger action

Spoiler: show

Heh bow chicka wow wow

I am not confident enough to pull the trigger on Ender yet, Alison is not someone I think I have the star power to push and not get lynched in return but I am happy to see people like Seanzie keeping her in check. Dizzy I havent seen any real action other than meme posting so I am still happy to vote there. Creature has been kinda quality from my POV.

[Boquise]

dizzy how aware are you of my town meta tbh

Not very. I've spectated a few games you've been in. I also have an impression of you both as a person and as a player through nebulous mafia community osmosis and teasing you endlessly in specchat. Why are you asking?

because i am super easy to pocket tbh

Same.

In other words, we're probably not too different in the way we think about things, I regret to inform you.

oh no

[Dyslexicon]

Fuck. Getting to the part of thread where Nate posts, and it reads townie already.

[Seanzie]

Sean is lacktown, so that's nice

Why?

[Seanzie]

ftr i think both finger and marmot are town

I would vote Wilgy with you if there was more of a push for it.

[Marmot]

ftr i think both finger and marmot are town

I would vote Wilgy with you if there was more of a push for it.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

[NateTheLesser]

the marmot wagon intrigues me...

I think it's a genuine c/w and will tunnel marmot if falcon is a miss

lel

this kinda matches my thoughts on the fast moving Marmot votes on sod and how i believe wolves could have assumed that i would join in too tbh

So you're saying Marmot + compatriots would have been quick to set up wagons expecting Marmot to be in the hot seat today?

[Marmot]

I realize you probably won't follow my vote, but I think he's the person I most want to kill right now.

[Dyslexicon]

Sean is lacktown, so that's nice

Why?

Because your posts are townie and I love you.

[Seanzie]

Eh. kinda feel Alison's legacy posts are performative.

Why?

The whole insisting on a legacy thing... Alison can and will demand that we sheep her if she dies, but here it doesn't feel the same. Like instead of it feeling like "sheep me fools", she's just quietly labeling the posts as legacy, feels more like meta-replication than natural.

[Seanzie]

Sean is lacktown, so that's nice

Why?

Because your posts are townie and I love you.

I love you too, but it'd help to see some detailed, nuanced thoughts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I realize you probably won't follow my vote, but I think he's the person I most want to kill right now.

Has your initial town read entirely subsided

[NateTheLesser]

the marmot wagon intrigues me...

I think it's a genuine c/w and will tunnel marmot if falcon is a miss

lel

this kinda matches my thoughts on the fast moving Marmot votes on sod and how i believe wolves could have assumed that i would join in too tbh

So you're saying Marmot + compatriots would have been quick to set up wagons expecting Marmot to be in the hot seat today?

Oh, the early votes for Marmot. Never mind, I was reading this backwards.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm going to have a hard time being here for the rest of the phase. I'll try to keep track. My preferred chops are in [Ender, Creature]

[Seanzie]

yesterday during our thing, how closely were you paying attention to marmot @Seanzie

I've been mulling over what I think of Marmot there. It is quite possible, perhaps even likely he was flame fanning. I know why I stayed on you (I forgot to move my vote), but I was kind of surprised to see that he did as well. He also kinda just dipped once I backed off you in a way that I didn't like; like his only vested interest in the situation was to get me pushing you.

Do you still feel this way? Did anything change while I was asleep?

I am not against a Marmot wagon, if that is what you're asking. The first time Marmot has posted since then was after this post from you, so no, very little has changed.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A Wilgy chop doesn't make me super comfortable. There are worse options. I'd chop him before Marmot.

[Creature]

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

[Seanzie]

I'm going to have a hard time being here for the rest of the phase. I'll try to keep track. My preferred chops are in [Ender]

Edited this for you. Thank me later.

(for legal reasons, I changed JJJ's post above in a significant, content-altering way, so anyone reading this, they should know that you should look up the original post to see what Jay actually said)

[Marmot]

I realize you probably won't follow my vote, but I think he's the person I most want to kill right now.

Has your initial town read entirely subsided

I talked about it earlier today, but yes.

[NateTheLesser]

ftr i think both finger and marmot are town

I agree, and I'm sad that the thread thinks that these are the two best options atm.

If you're going to kill me today thread, do not kill fingersplints tomorrow.

I don't want you to die today (and I think your wagon being ender/wilgy is.. not great)

[Marmot]

A Wilgy chop doesn't make me super comfortable. There are worse options. I'd chop him before Marmot.

What would make you super comfortable?

[Seanzie]

Feel like there was one other recent question for me that I missed and can't find now, so if anyone feels like I blew them off, I did.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Let's have an exercise
If you had an alignment check, who would be your first pick to check and why?

Probably Seanzie? A lot of his pushes have been on people I town read, so I think that would tell me a lot about whether my worldview is largely correct or whether I need to do more reevaluating.

Aside from Jay, who I think most people have a contrary opinion to me, who are the people I'm pushing that you're townreading?

Marmot and Lucy. Marmot especially is someone that I was feeling pretty good about since they got more engaged late D1, but you and Boq have been suspicious of them so it makes me wonder if I'm missing something.

Fwiw since I don't have much time to "play" interactively in this game, I am focusing on solving through thread politics and atmosphere, which I also use a lot now as a juror. Yesterday I felt like the thread pointed at Marmot. Today I am not as sure tbh

Can you desscribe what has changed, re:Marmot?

Yesterday Marmot skated by without anyone caring, making some, for the lack of better words, mousey posts. My vore didn't garner any push from anyone else (but that can be because Falcon was already an easy push so wolves didn't care).

Whereas today Marmot was pushed pretty quickly on the start of the day. I feel like there was an expectation that I would come in guns blazing for Marmot.

So are you saying the Early pressure on Marmot was to scapegoat you? I am not sure if I follow the reason behind this post

[Seanzie]

ftr i think both finger and marmot are town

I agree, and I'm sad that the thread thinks that these are the two best options atm.

If you're going to kill me today thread, do not kill fingersplints tomorrow.

Ehh...

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

Sean is lacktown, so that's nice

Why?

Because your posts are townie and I love you.

I love you too, but it'd help to see some detailed, nuanced thoughts.

At the point where I wrote lacktown, I had just read your questioning of Ender and how you didn't believe the "game state is creepy and I'm tugging my clothes" from the beginning of your questioning. It just reads like real thoughts to me. "I didn't believe it from the beginning of, that's why I'm questioning you, you goose."

I think I read you quite well. When I do, you say "Why?" and demand reasons.

You read me fairly well too, I believe. So I'd prefer it if you town read me and we can be friends and fight crime together.

[Marmot]

ftr i think both finger and marmot are town

I agree, and I'm sad that the thread thinks that these are the two best options atm.

If you're going to kill me today thread, do not kill fingersplints tomorrow.

I don't want you to die today (and I think your wagon being ender/wilgy is.. not great)

I agree on both counts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A Wilgy chop doesn't make me super comfortable. There are worse options. I'd chop him before Marmot.

What would make you super comfortable?

good question

[Marmot]

Let's have an exercise
If you had an alignment check, who would be your first pick to check and why?

Probably Seanzie? A lot of his pushes have been on people I town read, so I think that would tell me a lot about whether my worldview is largely correct or whether I need to do more reevaluating.

Aside from Jay, who I think most people have a contrary opinion to me, who are the people I'm pushing that you're townreading?

Marmot and Lucy. Marmot especially is someone that I was feeling pretty good about since they got more engaged late D1, but you and Boq have been suspicious of them so it makes me wonder if I'm missing something.

Fwiw since I don't have much time to "play" interactively in this game, I am focusing on solving through thread politics and atmosphere, which I also use a lot now as a juror. Yesterday I felt like the thread pointed at Marmot. Today I am not as sure tbh

Can you desscribe what has changed, re:Marmot?

Yesterday Marmot skated by without anyone caring, making some, for the lack of better words, mousey posts. My vore didn't garner any push from anyone else (but that can be because Falcon was already an easy push so wolves didn't care).

Whereas today Marmot was pushed pretty quickly on the start of the day. I feel like there was an expectation that I would come in guns blazing for Marmot.

Erm, did you read the EOD1? Maybe I made mousey posts, but I dunno if skating by would describe my behavior then?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I also hate that it’s tied me and Marmot. I don’t want to be forced to vote practically my only defender but I definitely won’t make it awake til EOD today

I hate this post. She could have pointed at someone she thought was suspicious or talked to anyone on her wags but instead she laments, says she will self pres and dips. (hopefully there is more later on)

[Marmot]

A Wilgy chop doesn't make me super comfortable. There are worse options. I'd chop him before Marmot.

What would make you super comfortable?

good question

And why doesn't chopping Wilgy make you comfortable? Has your read on him fluctuated since Day 1? I want to say you had a townread on him then as well, but I could be mistaken.

[Seanzie]

Sean is lacktown, so that's nice

Why?

Because your posts are townie and I love you.

I love you too, but it'd help to see some detailed, nuanced thoughts.

At the point where I wrote lacktown, I had just read your questioning of Ender and how you didn't believe the "game state is creepy and I'm tugging my clothes" from the beginning of your questioning. It just reads like real thoughts to me. "I didn't believe it from the beginning of, that's why I'm questioning you, you goose."

I think I read you quite well. When I do, you say "Why?" and demand reasons.

You read me fairly well too, I believe. So I'd prefer it if you town read me and we can be friends and fight crime together.

This is super conceited, but I've had this tinfoil about you most of the game that you've been acting the way you have because you know I can read your usual meta pretty well and so you didn't want to play that way because you're woofin' and I'd catch you.

[Marmot]

I also hate that it’s tied me and Marmot. I don’t want to be forced to vote practically my only defender but I definitely won’t make it awake til EOD today

I hate this post. She could have pointed at someone she thought was suspicious or talked to anyone on her wags but instead she laments, says she will self pres and dips. (hopefully there is more later on)

She lives in Europe, so her going to bed by now (if not before) is pretty normal for her.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And why doesn't chopping Wilgy make you comfortable? Has your read on him fluctuated since Day 1? I want to say you had a townread on him then as well, but I could be mistaken.

He's been a read in flux. The best argument I can give for him is that I didn't think he was a great match for most possible teammates.

[Seanzie]

I like how the poll runs until X:22 (or X:52 if you're in newfoundland, my favorite timezone)

[Seanzie]

@lucy you should vote.

[Marmot]

And why doesn't chopping Wilgy make you comfortable? Has your read on him fluctuated since Day 1? I want to say you had a townread on him then as well, but I could be mistaken.

He's been a read in flux. The best argument I can give for him is that I didn't think he was a great match for most possible teammates.

What do you make of the game state right now? Do you have a decent grasp on who you think the wolves could be?

[NateTheLesser]

Probably Seanzie? A lot of his pushes have been on people I town read, so I think that would tell me a lot about whether my worldview is largely correct or whether I need to do more reevaluating.

Aside from Jay, who I think most people have a contrary opinion to me, who are the people I'm pushing that you're townreading?

Marmot and Lucy. Marmot especially is someone that I was feeling pretty good about since they got more engaged late D1, but you and Boq have been suspicious of them so it makes me wonder if I'm missing something.

Fwiw since I don't have much time to "play" interactively in this game, I am focusing on solving through thread politics and atmosphere, which I also use a lot now as a juror. Yesterday I felt like the thread pointed at Marmot. Today I am not as sure tbh

Can you desscribe what has changed, re:Marmot?

Yesterday Marmot skated by without anyone caring, making some, for the lack of better words, mousey posts. My vore didn't garner any push from anyone else (but that can be because Falcon was already an easy push so wolves didn't care).

Whereas today Marmot was pushed pretty quickly on the start of the day. I feel like there was an expectation that I would come in guns blazing for Marmot.

So are you saying the Early pressure on Marmot was to scapegoat you? I am not sure if I follow the reason behind this post

I misread it initially too. I think he's saying that wolves may have set up on Marmot today as an early wagon because they'd be assuming Boq's sus from yesterday would carry over into today.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Boquise how do you feel about these wagons?

I lean Finger town and whilst I am nervous to call Marmot (I saw that little pocket attempt), I currently wouldn't want to meet him.

And the wagons as a whole:
Finger, Marmot, Creature, Lucy, Dizzy, Ender (tho idr if they are a wagon rn) - all match the "weird player not vibing with the thread atmosphere" archetype. In champs this year, this is the archetype that usually got yeeted and most of them were town that couldn't really get into town. I am not saying that all of these players are town, there were scum in champs that also qualified in this archetype.

But it makes me stop and think.
However, looking at the list I wrote, I would add at least Nate and Rondo too (only that I am currently trying to shield both). This is almost the whole player list so wtf yo?

This strikes me as a contradiction.

You are trying to shield me and Finger(? If I read that correctly) yet I currently see her as scum. You havent really addressed me specifically just the wagon in general is there a reason you havent done that yet? I am not sure if that makes sense, it does in my head

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[robyn]

Feel like there was one other recent question for me that I missed and can't find now, so if anyone feels like I blew them off, I did.

it was me explaining marmot and jjj

[Seanzie]

I realize you probably won't follow my vote, but I think he's the person I most want to kill right now.

Has your initial town read entirely subsided

I talked about it earlier today, but yes.

Can you quote this? I don't remember.