Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]

[Creature]

Whatever

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[Seanzie]

I don't really like the composition of Marmot's wagon, but I kinda still want Marmot's flip.

[Seanzie]

I could do WIlgy too. I don't have strong feelings about Fingers one way or the other, so maybe I should read her ISO.

[NateTheLesser]

Is there a good case for Fingersplints? I'm not sure if I can read them.

This is Alison's case:

fingersplints' ISO:

Nate has identified #1325 as a particularly sketchy post, because it shifts responsibility for the falcon exe onto Mac, and also hedges her own stance on falcon. I tend to agree with Nate here, and think it's a bad look for fingersplints.

I didn't like #1363 either. She says that she's contemplating where we should vote if we misexe on D1, but there's no followup, and I don't see her talking about the results of this contemplation later on, even where it is appropriate and natural to do so (eg. in #1458 where she is talking about how she wouldn't mind a falcon flip as it would give lots of interactives to figure out where to vote next). Alarmingly, she also does not bring up the results of this contemplation when we do end up missing D1. This suggests that she was just saying it to look like she was solving without actually putting in real analysis or thought into where we should go if our D1 flips green.

I didn't like #2012 either because it looks like her taking a cheap shot at Boquise's attempts to read into Mac's legacy. I'm generally pretty skeptical of discrediting a strong townie's legacy completely or brushing off nightkills as "who knows?" without at least trying to read into them.

She then proceeds to claim that she thought Boquise was treated as null by the rest of the thread, when in my view he was clearly being treated as consensus town. This might be a good sign for her, because it suggests that she is distinctly uninformed: I think she would likely know how the thread is treating Boquise more accurately if she was in scum chat and had partners to catch her up.

In #2128, she says she's interested in taking a closer look at Creature, but then doesn't mention Creature again. Votes for Dizzy instead in #2133 - which is a reasonable vote, but her interest in Creature seems to have mysteriously vanished.

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Overall, I'd say that I came out of fingersplints' ISO with a markedly worse impression of her before. I broadly agree with Nate's claim that her vote on falcon was hedgy and accountability-dodging, and I'd add that at two separate points in the game she indicates she'll look into something and then never brings it up or mentions it again, even when it would be very natural to do so.

Based off this, I'd be happy to back a fingersplints wagon, and have her in my bottom POE.

Ender and Boq disagree.

[NateTheLesser]

Oh, Marmot also thinks Fingersplints is town.

[NateTheLesser]

I could do WIlgy too. I don't have strong feelings about Fingers one way or the other, so maybe I should read her ISO.

Did you ever answer Jay about your thoughts on Creature?

[Seanzie]

I could do WIlgy too. I don't have strong feelings about Fingers one way or the other, so maybe I should read her ISO.

Did you ever answer Jay about your thoughts on Creature?

Yes:

Also Jay being on Creature gives me bad feels. I don't think Creature is a good vote.

Why

His posts feel confortable, well... at least comfortable for the doomsayer that is Creature. I don't think he would come off this way with a stacked player list like this if he was wolf. He's also given reads contrary to some of the big names in the thread, which again, I don't see wolf!Creature doing; even if they aren't big pushes, their existence alone is telling.

Also, you know how you said someone specifically voting DrWilgy catches your eye because of miselim fodder? Well... something about talking cooking implements.

The post you quoted from Jay was saying that he DID hear from me, but wanted to hear from others.

[Dyslexicon]

Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?

he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well

I actually like this post

Is this a view you could expand on just briefly please and thanks

I don't think he has any further reasoning lol

Oh, well since you noticed.

I didnt like your mech talk and your big old "lets be towny town" post so I have been keeping my eye on your lack of substance but that post was a fair call to a good question. So now I am back to !rand

There's probably some contention or uncertainty around Rondo.

I think this post from D0 is townie. He's explaining a reaction to Lucy's post after the fact, upon request. It tracks back to the original use of "actually liking the post". It reads to me like it's a genuine reaction in real time.

I would maybe see it differently if Lucy is wolf, but I already town read her from saying she's thankful to not rand wolf, because then she would be a liability. I hardly ever see real wolves say stuff like this in that manner. It

I also like Boq's start as well, and Jimmay, plus their interaction. This is probably more consensus.

Alison's reasons for this and that are a bit bizarre so far.

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Continuing..

[Dyslexicon]

Spoiler: show

he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well

I actually like this post

Is this a view you could expand on just briefly please and thanks

I don't think he has any further reasoning lol

Oh, well since you noticed.

I didnt like your mech talk and your big old "lets be towny town" post so I have been keeping my eye on your lack of substance but that post was a fair call to a good question. So now I am back to !rand

so you didn't have any reasoning? then why send the message?

What? I just went through my reasoning

But if Lucy/Rondo are w/w, I also called that

But they are t/t so never mind haha

[DrWilgy]

If someone remember recent-ish games Wilgy has been town/mafia in, please link. @DrWilgy

This is my first game tho

[Dyslexicon]

If someone remember recent-ish games Wilgy has been town/mafia in, please link. @DrWilgy

This is my first game tho

My dear bruh..

[Boquise]

ok i am back tbh

[Boquise]

But there has been plentiful of reactions when I have shielded LHF

INTERESTIIIIIING

LHF?

Low-hanging fruit
Players easy to yeet tbh

This is how things goes:

We will misyeet like 3 lhf on the row because they can't sit at the cool kids' table tbh

We realise that omg the lhf who posted weird stuff were town all along!!! Someone at our table is a wolf!

We proceed to misyeet a loud town who was kinda incorrect or something

Then we psyche ourselves out and misyeet another LHF in lylo tbh

Such is the prophecy tbh

that is a pattern i will have to be aware of, exact thing kinda happened in my qualifier

it is the pattern of most champ games tbh, though there are some exceptions tbh.

[Dyslexicon]

Rondo is kind of obvtown. Don't know if people have noticed.

Hi, boq tbh!

[Boquise]

Noting that no one reacted to me saying I'd want to check Alison

I also thought about Alison, partly because her sussing me and then agreeing with me in her case on Fingersplints makes me paranoid :P

Also, I think your point about Fingersplints (that she would have known as wolf that you were widely townread yesterday) is a fair one. Was there more to it than that or is that enough for you to townlean?

it is enough for me to town lean her for that currently yes

[Boquise]

Rondo is kind of obvtown. Don't know if people have noticed.

Hi, boq tbh!

i've noticed tbh
i wrote some posts about it

hello dizzy tbh

[Dyslexicon]

Rondo is kind of obvtown. Don't know if people have noticed.

Hi, boq tbh!

i've noticed tbh
i wrote some posts about it

hello dizzy tbh

Oh, ok. Good

Townville:
Boq
Jimmay
Rondo
Lucy

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To be continued

[Boquise]

ITT people discuss how to play champs but don't follow their own advices

Who do you think isn't following their advice and why?

Still waiting for this to be answered @Creature

[Boquise]

Let's have an exercise
If you had an alignment check, who would be your first pick to check and why?

Wilgy

I think that sort would potentially break the game open

Huh hm
In your analysis of interactions, he is in the least amount of worlds though? Wouldn't it be better to pick someone who has equity with plenty of people?

That's a low bar in this game, unfortunately (least amount of worlds). To know that DrWilgy is town would secure me more in my process and give me important insights about a number of folks that have interacted with his slot throughout the game, including those who've town read him. A mafia Wilgy might represent a narrow POE.

In any event, ain't no checks

last sentence kinda struck me as odd because what i am obviously doing here is to check for associatives tbh

[Dyslexicon]

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

Why would someone attacking you make you happy?

Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy

You didn't exactly jump for joy though. I said I suspected you, you were like "ha ha ha, I knew it!" and then proceeded to steadfastly ignore me from then until now. I didn't get the impression you were trying to fish reactions out of me or that you felt particularly gleeful. I'd expect a troll who really wanted me to attack them to at least tease or bait me once or twice, but you've mostly ignored me, even in the face of constant provocation (ie. me talking about you a bunch).

I really dislike this post a lot.

Such complete unnecessary construction of bs.

So I'm interested in Alison now.

[Boquise]

I think one thing that bothers me about Nate is that it doesn't feel like he has any reads he's passionate about. I don't know if this is just a playstyle thing but it's what drove me to quiz him about his reads in more detail. I'm uncomfortable by the fact that his stance seems to be repeating the most uncontroversial/popular reads and then chilling and not making a massive effort to push them. I could see this coming from a townie who feels we've got the game in the bag, and I've been in that position a couple of times myself, but those were when I had big confidence in my reads and the wolves were getting crushed. This gamestate started off with a misexe and then some pretty tense/controversial interactions between players, so it doesn't feel wholly appropriate for Nate to just be sitting back and going "yep, I guess we'll just auto the guys in the middle of falcon's wagon".

Quoting this just as a reminder to myself to engage with it after Nate has answered my question tbh

Alright.

Nate is playing very similar to how he played in his quali, minus the death tunnels. The tone, approach and process are very alike. Which explains why he isnt pushing as much as he could do.

[Boquise]

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

Why would someone attacking you make you happy?

Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy

You didn't exactly jump for joy though. I said I suspected you, you were like "ha ha ha, I knew it!" and then proceeded to steadfastly ignore me from then until now. I didn't get the impression you were trying to fish reactions out of me or that you felt particularly gleeful. I'd expect a troll who really wanted me to attack them to at least tease or bait me once or twice, but you've mostly ignored me, even in the face of constant provocation (ie. me talking about you a bunch).

I really dislike this post a lot.

Such complete unnecessary construction of bs.

So I'm interested in Alison now.

[fingersplints]

I think one thing that bothers me about Nate is that it doesn't feel like he has any reads he's passionate about. I don't know if this is just a playstyle thing but it's what drove me to quiz him about his reads in more detail. I'm uncomfortable by the fact that his stance seems to be repeating the most uncontroversial/popular reads and then chilling and not making a massive effort to push them. I could see this coming from a townie who feels we've got the game in the bag, and I've been in that position a couple of times myself, but those were when I had big confidence in my reads and the wolves were getting crushed. This gamestate started off with a misexe and then some pretty tense/controversial interactions between players, so it doesn't feel wholly appropriate for Nate to just be sitting back and going "yep, I guess we'll just auto the guys in the middle of falcon's wagon".

Quoting this just as a reminder to myself to engage with it after Nate has answered my question tbh

Alright.

Nate is playing very similar to how he played in his quali, minus the death tunnels. The tone, approach and process are very alike. Which explains why he isnt pushing as much as he could do.

What does this mean? Was he town or maf there? And why would it explain lack of pushing?

[fingersplints]

I’m disappointed more people didn’t answer my fruit question. I was hoping I could learn something about people with it

[fingersplints]

Switched to [VOTE: creature] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

@Boquise Why don't you have a vote out, and are you doing to vote in 10 minutes tbh?

[Boquise]

Yo @JaggedJimmyJay
since you are much more used at analysing associations, what do you think of this?

Noting that no one reacted to me saying I'd want to check Alison

After this, I got these two replies fairly quickly:

Noting that no one reacted to me saying I'd want to check Alison

It’s be a solid check. She’s a formidable mafia player, quite capable of fooling so it’s be nice to know if she’s actually trust worthy

Noting that no one reacted to me saying I'd want to check Alison

I also thought about Alison, partly because her sussing me and then agreeing with me in her case on Fingersplints makes me paranoid :P

Also, I think your point about Fingersplints (that she would have known as wolf that you were widely townread yesterday) is a fair one. Was there more to it than that or is that enough for you to townlean?

Bonus post:

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

Why would someone attacking you make you happy?

Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy

You didn't exactly jump for joy though. I said I suspected you, you were like "ha ha ha, I knew it!" and then proceeded to steadfastly ignore me from then until now. I didn't get the impression you were trying to fish reactions out of me or that you felt particularly gleeful. I'd expect a troll who really wanted me to attack them to at least tease or bait me once or twice, but you've mostly ignored me, even in the face of constant provocation (ie. me talking about you a bunch).

I really dislike this post a lot.

Such complete unnecessary construction of bs.

So I'm interested in Alison now.

(which tho is kinda unrelated to what happened in the thread and stuff but still!)

How does this affect their (Nate, Finger, Dizzy) association with Alison?
Does this make them less or more likely, iyo, to be a wolf if Alison is wolf, or if Alison is town?

[Boquise]

@Boquise Why don't you have a vote out, and are you doing to vote in 10 minutes tbh?

because i am a meme man tbh

[Dyslexicon]

my bussy

look at my bussy

I'm the most sad that I missed this.

[Boquise]

I think one thing that bothers me about Nate is that it doesn't feel like he has any reads he's passionate about. I don't know if this is just a playstyle thing but it's what drove me to quiz him about his reads in more detail. I'm uncomfortable by the fact that his stance seems to be repeating the most uncontroversial/popular reads and then chilling and not making a massive effort to push them. I could see this coming from a townie who feels we've got the game in the bag, and I've been in that position a couple of times myself, but those were when I had big confidence in my reads and the wolves were getting crushed. This gamestate started off with a misexe and then some pretty tense/controversial interactions between players, so it doesn't feel wholly appropriate for Nate to just be sitting back and going "yep, I guess we'll just auto the guys in the middle of falcon's wagon".

Quoting this just as a reminder to myself to engage with it after Nate has answered my question tbh

Alright.

Nate is playing very similar to how he played in his quali, minus the death tunnels. The tone, approach and process are very alike. Which explains why he isnt pushing as much as he could do.

What does this mean? Was he town or maf there? And why would it explain lack of pushing?

Nate was town there and death tunnelled town, and did not protect his town reads. I had this assumption that this was how G1 affects him in this game, and thats what Nate said in my question to him. His lack of pushing comes from fear of being wrong and pushing a bad game state, which explains why he is poking around tbh

[Dyslexicon]

@Boquise Why don't you have a vote out, and are you doing to vote in 10 minutes tbh?

because i am a meme man tbh

Your comment about preferring to play as mafia is a little bit creepy tbh

Should I worry?

[Boquise]

my qualms here with Alison is that she is on paper doing pushes that are easy to vibe with.
However they are textbook

So it depends on how much nuance she has when she towns tbh

[Boquise]

@Boquise Why don't you have a vote out, and are you doing to vote in 10 minutes tbh?

because i am a meme man tbh

Your comment about preferring to play as mafia is a little bit creepy tbh

Should I worry?

i thought you knew that tbh
well my win rate as scum is almost 100% if I survive D2 so it is now or never if ya wanna wifom :wowee:

anyway, i am thinking of voting Alison but I am not sure if it is the wrong play

[Boquise]

I am pretty sure I would win if I was scum tho tbh

[Dyslexicon]

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

Why would someone attacking you make you happy?

Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy

You didn't exactly jump for joy though. I said I suspected you, you were like "ha ha ha, I knew it!" and then proceeded to steadfastly ignore me from then until now. I didn't get the impression you were trying to fish reactions out of me or that you felt particularly gleeful. I'd expect a troll who really wanted me to attack them to at least tease or bait me once or twice, but you've mostly ignored me, even in the face of constant provocation (ie. me talking about you a bunch).

Alison deciding to expend energy on day 1 on antagonising a player who is know to be capable of disruptive anti town play as town reeks to me.

Mac v

[fingersplints]

I think one thing that bothers me about Nate is that it doesn't feel like he has any reads he's passionate about. I don't know if this is just a playstyle thing but it's what drove me to quiz him about his reads in more detail. I'm uncomfortable by the fact that his stance seems to be repeating the most uncontroversial/popular reads and then chilling and not making a massive effort to push them. I could see this coming from a townie who feels we've got the game in the bag, and I've been in that position a couple of times myself, but those were when I had big confidence in my reads and the wolves were getting crushed. This gamestate started off with a misexe and then some pretty tense/controversial interactions between players, so it doesn't feel wholly appropriate for Nate to just be sitting back and going "yep, I guess we'll just auto the guys in the middle of falcon's wagon".

Quoting this just as a reminder to myself to engage with it after Nate has answered my question tbh

Alright.

Nate is playing very similar to how he played in his quali, minus the death tunnels. The tone, approach and process are very alike. Which explains why he isnt pushing as much as he could do.

What does this mean? Was he town or maf there? And why would it explain lack of pushing?

Nate was town there and death tunnelled town, and did not protect his town reads. I had this assumption that this was how G1 affects him in this game, and thats what Nate said in my question to him. His lack of pushing comes from fear of being wrong and pushing a bad game state, which explains why he is poking around tbh

Gotcha
Makes sense
Thanks
I don’t have an opinion on Nate yet so I’ll remember this info if I make it to tomorrow

[Dyslexicon]

@Boquise Why don't you have a vote out, and are you doing to vote in 10 minutes tbh?

because i am a meme man tbh

Your comment about preferring to play as mafia is a little bit creepy tbh

Should I worry?

i thought you knew that tbh
well my win rate as scum is almost 100% if I survive D2 so it is now or never if ya wanna wifom :wowee:

anyway, i am thinking of voting Alison but I am not sure if it is the wrong play

I am pretty sure I would win if I was scum tho tbh

Same to all of this tbh

That's amazing.

Towny mindmeld!

[fingersplints]

@Boquise Why don't you have a vote out, and are you doing to vote in 10 minutes tbh?

because i am a meme man tbh

Your comment about preferring to play as mafia is a little bit creepy tbh

Should I worry?

I used to prefer to be mafia too! but then I took an extended break of about five years and now im old and want to be town lol

[NateTheLesser]

Let's have an exercise
If you had an alignment check, who would be your first pick to check and why?

Wilgy

I think that sort would potentially break the game open

Huh hm
In your analysis of interactions, he is in the least amount of worlds though? Wouldn't it be better to pick someone who has equity with plenty of people?

That's a low bar in this game, unfortunately (least amount of worlds). To know that DrWilgy is town would secure me more in my process and give me important insights about a number of folks that have interacted with his slot throughout the game, including those who've town read him. A mafia Wilgy might represent a narrow POE.

In any event, ain't no checks

last sentence kinda struck me as odd because what i am obviously doing here is to check for associatives tbh

I think he meant "checks" as in "alignment checks" in that context.

[fingersplints]

@Boquise Why don't you have a vote out, and are you doing to vote in 10 minutes tbh?

because i am a meme man tbh

Your comment about preferring to play as mafia is a little bit creepy tbh

Should I worry?

i thought you knew that tbh
well my win rate as scum is almost 100% if I survive D2 so it is now or never if ya wanna wifom :wowee:

anyway, i am thinking of voting Alison but I am not sure if it is the wrong play

I like your questioning of Alison. I think I’d prefer an Alison vote over Marmot. Definitely prefer Alison vote over me

[Boquise]

Let's have an exercise
If you had an alignment check, who would be your first pick to check and why?

Wilgy

I think that sort would potentially break the game open

Huh hm
In your analysis of interactions, he is in the least amount of worlds though? Wouldn't it be better to pick someone who has equity with plenty of people?

That's a low bar in this game, unfortunately (least amount of worlds). To know that DrWilgy is town would secure me more in my process and give me important insights about a number of folks that have interacted with his slot throughout the game, including those who've town read him. A mafia Wilgy might represent a narrow POE.

In any event, ain't no checks

last sentence kinda struck me as odd because what i am obviously doing here is to check for associatives tbh

I think he meant "checks" as in "alignment checks" in that context.

i know tbh
point is that that sentence felt dismissive of my exercise tbh

[Boquise]

@Boquise Why don't you have a vote out, and are you doing to vote in 10 minutes tbh?

because i am a meme man tbh

Your comment about preferring to play as mafia is a little bit creepy tbh

Should I worry?

i thought you knew that tbh
well my win rate as scum is almost 100% if I survive D2 so it is now or never if ya wanna wifom :wowee:

anyway, i am thinking of voting Alison but I am not sure if it is the wrong play

I like your questioning of Alison. I think I’d prefer an Alison vote over Marmot. Definitely prefer Alison vote over me

thats nice tbh
If Alison is town I think you could be scum tbh!
If Alison is wolf you are always town

[Dyslexicon]

Dyslexicon has chosen bystander mode which I tend to think is more of a town version of Dyslexicon.

This beautiful man. Oh, cruel faith, parted us too soon.

[Boquise]

@Boquise Why don't you have a vote out, and are you doing to vote in 10 minutes tbh?

because i am a meme man tbh

Your comment about preferring to play as mafia is a little bit creepy tbh

Should I worry?

i thought you knew that tbh
well my win rate as scum is almost 100% if I survive D2 so it is now or never if ya wanna wifom :wowee:

anyway, i am thinking of voting Alison but I am not sure if it is the wrong play

I am pretty sure I would win if I was scum tho tbh

Same to all of this tbh

That's amazing.

Towny mindmeld!

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This may or may not be a good idea.

And a Wilgy/Creature vote may be safer

[Boquise]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I wont keep this vote if Alison doesnt come back to the thread. If she is town, she is too valuable.

[Dyslexicon]

@Boquise Why don't you have a vote out, and are you doing to vote in 10 minutes tbh?

because i am a meme man tbh

Your comment about preferring to play as mafia is a little bit creepy tbh

Should I worry?

i thought you knew that tbh
well my win rate as scum is almost 100% if I survive D2 so it is now or never if ya wanna wifom :wowee:

anyway, i am thinking of voting Alison but I am not sure if it is the wrong play

I am pretty sure I would win if I was scum tho tbh

Same to all of this tbh

That's amazing.

Towny mindmeld!

[Boquise]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

ftr i voted alison in the poll before dizzy smh!
i just had to meddle with the format in my post.

important smh!

[Dyslexicon]

Oof. Fail