Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think Ender's sporadic unwillingness to cooperate is rand>town tbh

no no no.

Ender's sporadic unwillingness to cooperate is rand>Ender tbh

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: NateTheLesser] aubergine

Honestly don't feel like you care about the current gamestate, why's that?

I said this in more words in response to Alison, but people keep agreeing with my pushes, and it leaves me oddly directionless.

You're disquieted because you think there's a wolf in Alison/Lucy/Jay? Why those 3?

Do you disagree/agree? (this might have been already asked and answered) If you agree same question

[RondoDimBuckle]

Something I notice as I finish my interactions:

@Dyslexicon, when you entered the game and found some "cringe" votes on you from Ender and Rondo, you pursued the former as a suspect and didn't do much with the latter.

@RondoDimBuckle, you voted for basically everyone on Day 1, and ended the day as the lone vote on Dizzy:

Can't wolves just be among the low hanging who got townread early (lucy, Boquise, idk who else)?

No, that would be IMPOSSIBLE!

I simply MUST refuse!

And also, no idea, haven't read their post, also don't care, BAIIIIi

[VOTE: Dizzy ] aubergine

Given the wagons of the time and your own voting behavior, it is difficult to take much meaning from this. Please, both of you, tell me what you think of the other. Dizzy, what's up with Rondo. Rondo, what's up with Dizzy.

Already asked and answered by Alison nice mind meld

viewtopic.php?t=2389&start=1950#p929091

[RondoDimBuckle]

One thing that becomes evident as I continue to dig is that Ender was more liberal with his vote on Day 1 than anyone short of Rondo. Nate's breakdown makes that really easy to follow. This may lend credence to Seanzie's previous gripes about separation from Wilgy, because regardless of one's interpretation of his Wilgy vote -- he did the same for numerous others (e.g., fingersplints and falcon). It's a minor point for a single interaction, but it's one I will concede.

Yeah Ender knows if he legit tries to sus me day 1 I will tunnel him. We tend to avoid each other and let other people solve from what I have found and I feel us settling into that this game. Ender might have his reads of me but he hasnt shared them yet and he knows I am slightly sus of him. Which is... normal

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle, @EnderWiggin -- I get the impression you know each other quite well. Have you been on a mafia team together before?

depends, irl? Yes. Forum? No. Metaphysically? Crombompulous tbh

[RondoDimBuckle]

Boquise and Rondo have a ton of interactions, but none of it strikes me as dissociated. I bring this up because another set of eyes might help, particularly from anyone that is more familiar with either Boq or Rondo than I am. For now it's a yellow box on the chart.

Yellow box?

Yellow just means I'm not currently willing to dissociate two players as I world-build. It'll be clearer when I post the chart.

ty

[RondoDimBuckle]

You want me to interpret your post with a softer word than "clear", and yet you used a stronger phrase, "solid clear".

I don't expect you to call everything null, but I do hope you weight posts/analyses based on how fallible they are, and I'm not sure I'm seeing that here.

Language. The modifier "solid" implies "good, but not absolute" -- if you interpret "clear" as absolute, that isn't my meaning. It's lingo that I have dragged from fucken spec chat. "Town-indicative"

I do not interpret someone saying someone else is socially cleared as absolute, but I think the vast majority of people use that as something a good step stronger than "town-indicative" or "town lean", and I'd guess you do to.

lol I love this pedantic fight over definitions. T/T?

Why is that T/T

It might just be how I was reading it but it was Seanzie going at you and you being slightly annoyed he was taking it so seriously when you're just putting content out there. Ill be honest I kinda skimmed it because I was at work at the time. It was just a general gut call in response to what I saw.

[RondoDimBuckle]

ok, mind melding with finger once is concerning, twice is I dont know

What does this mean?

Why did you remove the context to the post?

I'm about to lose the rest of this evening to work, so I hope folks get engaged here. The game is kind of dead apart from my analysis and Sean hating it.

I like your guys little back and forth there

Do you have any thoughts on our alignments based on our little back and forth?

T/T

It’s important to not get to comfortable with town consensus, so while I don’t agree with your assessment of Jay but I really like where it’s coming from

ok, mind melding with finger once is concerning, twice is I dont know

You literally just asked me about why I saw Seanzie as T/T she had the same thought and I dont like that someone I am voting is thinking the same way as I am, its hurting my confidence in the vote.

I'm about to lose the rest of this evening to work, so I hope folks get engaged here. The game is kind of dead apart from my analysis and Sean hating it.

I like your guys little back and forth there

I am low key hating that Finger and I mind meld

Here is the other one where I found it funny she said she liked it. So maybe we werent on the same page but we both came to the same conclusion

[RondoDimBuckle]

What are your all thoughts on Boquise now?

Earmarked for later answering

I like Bo but its mostly because we are really kinda vibing with each other when he posts. I havent put more thought into the slot because I am more focused on the falcon/mac flip and that points me elsewhere

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle, I am trying to follow the thread of your play. I see that you did post come consolidated reads of a sort here, and that is appreciated. Two questions:

1) How did you decide on the tiers or groupings of possible mafia in that post?

2) As you play right now and respond to a ton of posts, is that impacting your present view of the game? Does it impact this reads post?

I dont remember putting out a read list? You might be confusing me with someone else?

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My reads so far

Alison !rand
Boquise !rand
Creature !rand
DrWilgy !rand
Dyslexicon !rand
EnderWiggin wolf
falcon45ca !rand
fingersplints !rand
JaggedJimmyJay !rand
lucy !rand
MacDougall !rand
Marmot !rand
NateTheLesser !rand
RondoDimBuckle !rand
Seanzie !rand

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Unless you count this giant piece of shit

Please quote the read post you mean and I will respond

[RondoDimBuckle]

Something I notice as I finish my interactions:

@Dyslexicon, when you entered the game and found some "cringe" votes on you from Ender and Rondo, you pursued the former as a suspect and didn't do much with the latter.

Given the wagons of the time and your own voting behavior, it is difficult to take much meaning from this. Please, both of you, tell me what you think of the other. Dizzy, what's up with Rondo. Rondo, what's up with Dizzy.

Not quite correct.
My interest in Ender started when he town read me and didn't want to explain it. I don't even know if I'd call it "pursue him as a suspect", but that's semantics.
Both their votes was, as I said, cringe. I didn't pursue any from just that.

I think Ender claims the vote to be pressure which may or may not have contributed to him reading me in his mind. I'm a bit "Press X to doubt" on that, because it seems thin. But I also don't know. Ender could be town and using meta that is thin and shaky.
Rondo's vote was apparently because I didn't answer his questions. Which is a very silly reason, when I clearly hadn't been around.
I've played once with Rondo before. And I don't expect to be following his thoughts or reasoning, as he seems very random. In fact, I felt quite annoyed by his play in that one game. Which one of the reasons I haven't used my time to read any of his posts. So I don't know what's up with Rondo.

Sorry you feel that way. I would say I try to create room for people like Mac (And when he gets his ass into gear Ender) to make reads. I am too new to Forum mafia at the moment to feel confident in any of my assessments. I am too used to in person Mafia where you can see people.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo's posts are chaos.

I struggle to find concordant processes or threads of thinking to interpret; everything is kaleidoscopic and inscrutable. @RondoDimBuckle you're the only one that can help me to change that, unless anyone else here knows you well and is willing to talk about it (Hi, EnderWiggin). As it stands, I don't think I town read this slot. While the immense activity is great, it's also chaos.

See if Mac was alive he would tell you that I am very readable. I believe I just answered your question.

viewtopic.php?t=2389&start=2400#p929570

I honestly never expect to live long at the moment, once I have a better understanding of Forum Mafia I may change up my playstyle to be less choatic.

Usually around day 3 I settle down and stop chaos posting. But I sped that up to day 1 because people

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Alison

asked me to not be a cunt

If I still seem chaotic after that I guess its hard to break the habit. I have been trying to tone it down. I dunno @EnderWiggin can let me know how I am going.

[RondoDimBuckle]

4 votes lol
Honestly couldn’t have picked a worse day to take the vote lead
I almost want to lament the real life reasons behind my absence just to annoy Rondo
I’ll see what I can do

Under instruction from my lawyer

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Ender

I have to say it is NAI

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REEEE

Though I have been in a few more games since then and the only time I should have gone all in on someone ATE'ing in a similar way was DDL and that is probably 1/10 It just something that makes me want to narrow my eyes and slowly reach for my gun. I need to get better at not letting it effect my play

[EnderWiggin]

Fingers is a fine wagon.

I might need to revisit it because two of my townreads independantly came to a scumread there.

You have reads this game?

Here I thought you were impersonating Tuxedo Mask

My job here is done.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Let's have an exercise
If you had an alignment check, who would be your first pick to check and why?

Ender, Because he is the one I want to catch most as wolf so I will tinfoil him to oblivion. Being able to remove him as a threat and just shield his slot turns us into a powerful combo

[RondoDimBuckle]

Fingers is a fine wagon.

I might need to revisit it because two of my townreads independantly came to a scumread there.

You have reads this game?

Here I thought you were impersonating Tuxedo Mask

My job here is done.

Here I was thinking you wouldnt get the reference <3

[EnderWiggin]

Rondo's posts are chaos.

I struggle to find concordant processes or threads of thinking to interpret; everything is kaleidoscopic and inscrutable. @RondoDimBuckle you're the only one that can help me to change that, unless anyone else here knows you well and is willing to talk about it (Hi, EnderWiggin). As it stands, I don't think I town read this slot. While the immense activity is great, it's also chaos.

There's not a huge amount to talk about with Rondo. He has a lot of content you can probably read past and will do things just to poke buttons without believing in it a whit.

I've only ever seen him wolf irl so I don't know how much of it works in forum mafia, but in irl he likes to make it difficult to link him and his partners together, especially when it comes to drawing attention to himself. He's saved partners purely by making himself more suspicious.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo's posts are chaos.

I struggle to find concordant processes or threads of thinking to interpret; everything is kaleidoscopic and inscrutable. @RondoDimBuckle you're the only one that can help me to change that, unless anyone else here knows you well and is willing to talk about it (Hi, EnderWiggin). As it stands, I don't think I town read this slot. While the immense activity is great, it's also chaos.

There's not a huge amount to talk about with Rondo. He has a lot of content you can probably read past and will do things just to poke buttons without believing in it a whit.

I've only ever seen him wolf irl so I don't know how much of it works in forum mafia, but in irl he likes to make it difficult to link him and his partners together, especially when it comes to drawing attention to himself. He's saved partners purely by making himself more suspicious.

That was a good game

OK! I have caught up, I have earned myself a break. I wont be back in thread till after I have slept

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: NateTheLesser] aubergine

Honestly don't feel like you care about the current gamestate, why's that?

I said this in more words in response to Alison, but people keep agreeing with my pushes, and it leaves me oddly directionless.

You're disquieted because you think there's a wolf in Alison/Lucy/Jay? Why those 3?

Because the sensation was "Wolves comfortable" which suggests a wolf in towncore and those 3 + Mac + Boq were that towncore. Mac is dead and I might be premature but I've loved Boq's content.

Hence those three.

[EnderWiggin]

@RondoDimBuckle, @EnderWiggin -- I get the impression you know each other quite well. Have you been on a mafia team together before?

We know each other irl, we've played werewolf irl together and other social deduction games, and we have been a team together irl.

I recruited him into online play.

[EnderWiggin]

@RondoDimBuckle, I am trying to follow the thread of your play. I see that you did post come consolidated reads of a sort here, and that is appreciated. Two questions:

1) How did you decide on the tiers or groupings of possible mafia in that post?

2) As you play right now and respond to a ton of posts, is that impacting your present view of the game? Does it impact this reads post?

I dont remember putting out a read list? You might be confusing me with someone else?

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My reads so far

Alison !rand
Boquise !rand
Creature !rand
DrWilgy !rand
Dyslexicon !rand
EnderWiggin wolf
falcon45ca !rand
fingersplints !rand
JaggedJimmyJay !rand
lucy !rand
MacDougall !rand
Marmot !rand
NateTheLesser !rand
RondoDimBuckle !rand
Seanzie !rand

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Unless you count this giant piece of shit

Please quote the read post you mean and I will respond

Rondo there's a link to the post they were referring to.

[EnderWiggin]

@RondoDimBuckle, @EnderWiggin -- I get the impression you know each other quite well. Have you been on a mafia team together before?

We know each other irl, we've played werewolf irl together and other social deduction games, and we have been a team together irl.

I recruited him into online play.

To add to that:
Some part of his irl play comes into online, however with irl play the voting isn't exactly like forum and that does bring changes.

Also I haven't yet seen him wolf irl so idk if the tricks I use to read him actually translate.

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

Podracing.

[robyn]

lmao

[robyn]

gonna be typing a lot at work i see

[robyn]

i assume you’ll withhold reasoning for voting like all your other reads? @EnderWiggin

[EnderWiggin]

i assume you’ll withhold reasoning for voting like all your other reads? @EnderWiggin

What could ever make you think that? :O

[robyn]

@lucy why is it important in your opinion that Marmot and I today engage with each other?

Because interactions are positive, and you’ve been actively having minimal conversations/interactions with others, i reckon Marmot is a good place to dip your toes in

[robyn]

i assume you’ll withhold reasoning for voting like all your other reads? @EnderWiggin

What could ever make you think that? :O

simple pattern recognition

[EnderWiggin]

i assume you’ll withhold reasoning for voting like all your other reads? @EnderWiggin

What could ever make you think that? :O

simple pattern recognition

Shit! town is learning! Need to change the algorithm!

[robyn]

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

if I was mafia would I be clumsy enough to make that read when I didn't have to?

I wouldn't call it impossible, but I also unfortunately don't know the answer to that question because I don't know you.

You probably wouldn't, but I've seen extremely skilled players make silly mistakes before so

Why is it scummy to inaccurately describe another player's play in a game tbh?

on the contrary, they finds it scummy because i was right

[Seanzie]

I'm having a hell of a time interpreting lucy's interactions. With many players she has a ton of engagement, often mutual engagement, but it doesn't often lead somewhere concrete or observable. It all just kind of exists. Those that suspect lucy, particularly the current voters @Seanzie and @Marmot, would be well advised to see what team fits they like and don't like. I think plenty can fit, but with very little degree of confidence given her unique posture in the game.

Oh, contrary to what it may look like, I am not voting Lucy. I just haven't moved my vote.

I don't think this focus on associatives pre-wolf-flip is necessarily helpful, at least for me. I don't mean to disrespect your process, but I think looking for associatives tends to create more bias/tunneling than it does give information, at least until close to elo or after a wolf flip or two. As such, I will not hold myself to the burden you are asking us, for example here with Lucy, or with Wilgy where you said the onus was on us to find a team if we want to suspect him. I kindly decline.

[robyn]

yesterday during our thing, how closely were you paying attention to marmot @Seanzie

[robyn]

i think you should pay closer attention to that

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

if I was mafia would I be clumsy enough to make that read when I didn't have to?

I wouldn't call it impossible, but I also unfortunately don't know the answer to that question because I don't know you.

You probably wouldn't, but I've seen extremely skilled players make silly mistakes before so

Why is it scummy to inaccurately describe another player's play in a game tbh?

on the contrary, they finds it scummy because i was right

To explain better, in this post:

Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him

the highlighted part looked like Lucy might have meta on me that she shouldn't have, in particular I do tend to be on the more aggressive side (kinda trying to find a better balance where I can still push, while limiting the discomfort of the recipient as much as possible, so trying to be a bit less aggressive as time goes oh, but whatever) and push hard in certain directions, so Lucy specifically looking at that from me definitely caught my eye. However, I think it is nothing because of the second clause of that sentence suggesting she perhaps doesn't know me, or if she was a wolf with meta, she was cognizant of the fact that she should not have meta on me at that point, which makes the highlighted part a really weird thing for her to have actually said.

[NateTheLesser]

G-Man didn't save the final vote count which is annoying. iirc Falcon was a pretty large runaway wagon with low accountability; I'd expect mafia to either casually pile on or hide on some vanity wagon so they don't get their hands dirty. Biased more towards the former if they had a teammate in danger.

Everyone voted Falcon except I and Falcon iirc

You/Rondo/Wilgy are the living players that didn't vote Falcon.

Does this imply anything to you? Is the data helpful? What do you think about each of us individually? Any pairings?

I said elsewhere that it means there were wolf votes for Falcon unless the team is exactly you 3, so examining those votes is a good place to look.

[Seanzie]

yesterday during our thing, how closely were you paying attention to marmot @Seanzie

I've been mulling over what I think of Marmot there. It is quite possible, perhaps even likely he was flame fanning. I know why I stayed on you (I forgot to move my vote), but I was kind of surprised to see that he did as well. He also kinda just dipped once I backed off you in a way that I didn't like; like his only vested interest in the situation was to get me pushing you.

[robyn]

yesterday during our thing, how closely were you paying attention to marmot @Seanzie

I've been mulling over what I think of Marmot there. It is quite possible, perhaps even likely he was flame fanning. I know why I stayed on you (I forgot to move my vote), but I was kind of surprised to see that he did as well. He also kinda just dipped once I backed off you in a way that I didn't like; like his only vested interest in the situation was to get me pushing you.

i like you already

[NateTheLesser]

Nate is a scum lean, his read list is exactly what neutral territory is and what someone would put without their own thoughts, entirely public opinion. I don't think he put any effort into that read list himself

@NateTheLesser, I'd like to see you respond to this assertion in some capacity. I don't see it in your posts, but if it's there just point the way.

By the time I saw this it had become clear that she must have been thinking of a read list that wasn't actually mine (or if it was mine she couldn't find it). I hope she finds the post she was thinking of because I'd like to know who she's scum leaning.

[Seanzie]

yesterday during our thing, how closely were you paying attention to marmot @Seanzie

I've been mulling over what I think of Marmot there. It is quite possible, perhaps even likely he was flame fanning. I know why I stayed on you (I forgot to move my vote), but I was kind of surprised to see that he did as well. He also kinda just dipped once I backed off you in a way that I didn't like; like his only vested interest in the situation was to get me pushing you.

i like you already

And this looks like a pocket attempt.

[EnderWiggin]

I changed my mind.

I want this back.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[Seanzie]

Nate is a scum lean, his read list is exactly what neutral territory is and what someone would put without their own thoughts, entirely public opinion. I don't think he put any effort into that read list himself

@NateTheLesser, I'd like to see you respond to this assertion in some capacity. I don't see it in your posts, but if it's there just point the way.

By the time I saw this it had become clear that she must have been thinking of a read list that wasn't actually mine (or if it was mine she couldn't find it). I hope she finds the post she was thinking of because I'd like to know who she's scum leaning.

It's almost assuredly Ender's list, which shows up in your ISO because of a post you quoted.

[DrWilgy]

Allow me to break character for a moment to advise:

Sorry I didn't get to analyze afew players against each other. Work killed me yesterday during the day.

Then I didn't get any sleep afterwards.

Brain is functioning at probably 20% capacity. Trying to multitask causes headaches.

I'll be shitposting and answering easy thoughts likely until EoD and trusting my d1 gut.

In short, you don't have the right.

[Seanzie]

I changed my mind.

I want this back.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[robyn]

yesterday during our thing, how closely were you paying attention to marmot @Seanzie

I've been mulling over what I think of Marmot there. It is quite possible, perhaps even likely he was flame fanning. I know why I stayed on you (I forgot to move my vote), but I was kind of surprised to see that he did as well. He also kinda just dipped once I backed off you in a way that I didn't like; like his only vested interest in the situation was to get me pushing you.

i like you already

And this looks like a pocket attempt.

i wouldn’t be so blunt, and i wouldn’t try it with someone so circumspect

[DrWilgy]

I changed my mind.

I want this back.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Try finger

[robyn]

I changed my mind.

I want this back.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

something something insert a gif boq would send

[Seanzie]

yesterday during our thing, how closely were you paying attention to marmot @Seanzie

I've been mulling over what I think of Marmot there. It is quite possible, perhaps even likely he was flame fanning. I know why I stayed on you (I forgot to move my vote), but I was kind of surprised to see that he did as well. He also kinda just dipped once I backed off you in a way that I didn't like; like his only vested interest in the situation was to get me pushing you.

i like you already

And this looks like a pocket attempt.

i wouldn’t be so blunt, and i wouldn’t try it with someone so circumspect

I don't know if I am as confident in your mafia abilities as you are. Nothing personal, but everyone makes mistakes.

[Seanzie]

If HK was here, he'd probably be screaming at us that Dizzy is failing the vibe tell, which makes me wary, but I also feel like there are too many people to worry about, so I'mma put that on the backburner of my mind for now.

[Seanzie]

Also Jay being on Creature gives me bad feels. I don't think Creature is a good vote.