Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]

[DrWilgy]

Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?

I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

The error here is that Mac doesn't bull fake reads and if he does, he will often give up the act shortly. For the tunnel to exist, his read had to at least exist in partial.

Unfortunately for us, in further reading his posts so far, I think he's town, just, well, as the kids would say, "a dingus" in regards to his read on me.

[falcon45ca]

@NateTheLesser I scanned falcon’s posts with your view in mind. I’m not sure that I emerge with a strong impression either way. I could issue one gripe, and @falcon45ca can talk about this:

That initial dig that Sean and I were dancing around each other looks a bit cooked. A couple of introductory town leans portrayed as something sinister is pretty token — particularly given that falcon acknowledged later that I am Mr. Town Reads. My prompts for expansion were shatposted.

Ah hahahaha, I'm on mobile now, but I'll quote the posts when I'm able. You both were dancing around your TRs, with just a wee bit of "but maybe/could be"

[Marmot]

If I had to provide a GTH sorting of the game by a seven-player POE, this is about where I'd fall right now:

Alison
Boquise
lucy
MacDougall
RondoDimBuckle
Seanzie
NateTheLesser

---[POE LINE]---

Creature
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
EnderWiggin
falcon45ca
fingersplints
Marmot

Names within groups aren't ordered. Not every name above the line is a confident one (e.g., Nate is an undeveloped read, but I give him the gut read nod). EnderWiggin is another challenge that I could stand to develop with an ISO.

I think Nate sounds similar to his G1 play tbh
We pretty much have the same poe!

I'm so glad the band could get together for a game of mafia!

Now I wish @Master Radishes were here.

Where's your jazz marmot tho

Right back at you cuz

[MacDougall]

Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?

I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

The error here is that Mac doesn't bull fake reads and if he does, he will often give up the act shortly. For the tunnel to exist, his read had to at least exist in partial.

Unfortunately for us, in further reading his posts so far, I think he's town, just, well, as the kids would say, "a dingus" in regards to his read on me.

I don't understand why you go to such an extent to call me a dingus for scumreading you here? What purpose does it serve?

[DrWilgy]

Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

Why bring up Ender if you don't have anything to say about him?

*Points to a list of people labeled "The 3 that I've seen vote me"*

[falcon45ca]

Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny




Sean's a wolf

This post is scummy for Falcon... these reads are agenda laden regardless of what Alison and Jay's alignment is (can be t/w or t/t).

Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny




Sean's a wolf

why why why

It's how I'm reading your playstyle, your vibes.



t's the approach Alison has, her posting has a questioning solvey method, that doesn't feel like it's pushing an agenda. You have a similar feel, like you're working on solving the game.



Sean feels...stiff, awkward.

words... that mean nothing

What really did it was his spree of just asking aimless questions of why people had the reads they had that I can already see he has no intent in following up on lol.

eg., town Falcon doesn't give a shit about why EnderWiggin would vote Fingersplints lol.

Are you making your current read on my slot based on your predictions of my future actions?



That's not how you Frolf yo

[Boquise]

Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?

I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

The error here is that Mac doesn't bull fake reads and if he does, he will often give up the act shortly. For the tunnel to exist, his read had to at least exist in partial.

Unfortunately for us, in further reading his posts so far, I think he's town, just, well, as the kids would say, "a dingus" in regards to his read on me.

I think Mac has played pleasant in this game, no need to name call tbh

[Marmot]

I glanced at DrWilgy's ISO and have a firm townread there.

I glanced at falcon's too and don't have a firm townread, but I'm not ready to call him scum yet. I'll probably defer to Mac's read since he's so consistent at reading him.

[Marmot]

I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).

[Marmot]

Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?

I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

The error here is that Mac doesn't bull fake reads and if he does, he will often give up the act shortly. For the tunnel to exist, his read had to at least exist in partial.

Unfortunately for us, in further reading his posts so far, I think he's town, just, well, as the kids would say, "a dingus" in regards to his read on me.

I think Mac has played pleasant in this game, no need to name call tbh

These two have a long history together fwiw.

[Marmot]

I have to go to work, bbl

[DrWilgy]

I am considering the exchanges between DrWilgy and Mac, and I have a vague concern.

The overall message of Wilgy’s read on Mac seems to slant positive. Indeed, my impression of that read is: Mac looks town except for his suspicion of me. There’s a resistance to rattling cages in that — one could argue Mac’s cage is being rattled, but only in response to receiving rattling from him. If Wilgy is mafia, here’s the rough translation:

Mac is town, too town for me to fully attack, but I have to at least do something about his correct read on me

I’m not sure I view the hedging as authentic

My friend, when have I ever done this as wolf? If I go after towncore as wolf It's all or nothing, but a half baked turd placed down to shrivel and die.

Especially d1, wouldn't I be more inclined to just give the TR and move on to a LHF?

This read is bad.

[DrWilgy]

Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?

I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

The error here is that Mac doesn't bull fake reads and if he does, he will often give up the act shortly. For the tunnel to exist, his read had to at least exist in partial.

Unfortunately for us, in further reading his posts so far, I think he's town, just, well, as the kids would say, "a dingus" in regards to his read on me.

I don't understand why you go to such an extent to call me a dingus for scumreading you here? What purpose does it serve?

Just a means of saying you are wrong. Perhaps my use of young folk language came off too hard. I hope you are well aware of my love and admiration of you Mac.

[MacDougall]

I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).

yes they would and have done

[DrWilgy]

I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).

yes they would and have done

This would in fact, be very funny.

[MacDougall]

Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?

I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

The error here is that Mac doesn't bull fake reads and if he does, he will often give up the act shortly. For the tunnel to exist, his read had to at least exist in partial.

Unfortunately for us, in further reading his posts so far, I think he's town, just, well, as the kids would say, "a dingus" in regards to his read on me.

I don't understand why you go to such an extent to call me a dingus for scumreading you here? What purpose does it serve?

Just a means of saying you are wrong. Perhaps my use of young folk language came off too hard. I hope you are well aware of my love and admiration of you Mac.

Lol idc about the insult. I just find it weird that you are going on the attack over it. Like me making an incorrect read is nothing but meh. You're putting more emphasis on it than I feel it would deserve if it were just plain wrong.

[MacDougall]

I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).

yes they would and have done

This would in fact, be very funny.

You and Falcon have wolfed together in a game before against me I am sure. And I am sure that you both went after me at some point in it lol.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@DrWilgy I have no idea when you have or have not done that exact thing as mafia. That is more specific than I am going to get with a meta read. Is Mac in the “town core”?

[DrWilgy]

So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?

I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

The error here is that Mac doesn't bull fake reads and if he does, he will often give up the act shortly. For the tunnel to exist, his read had to at least exist in partial.

Unfortunately for us, in further reading his posts so far, I think he's town, just, well, as the kids would say, "a dingus" in regards to his read on me.

I don't understand why you go to such an extent to call me a dingus for scumreading you here? What purpose does it serve?

Just a means of saying you are wrong. Perhaps my use of young folk language came off too hard. I hope you are well aware of my love and admiration of you Mac.

Lol idc about the insult. I just find it weird that you are going on the attack over it. Like me making an incorrect read is nothing but meh. You're putting more emphasis on it than I feel it would deserve if it were just plain wrong.

Because I keep wavering on you my friend. I feel as if I have failed to read you correctly for a while now, and I'm not sure why.

It is somewhat frustrating to be honest, and I expect better of my read on you, so do forgive the passion I put into solving your slot this game.

[falcon45ca]

I know it is only day 0 and I know I've not actually seen Jay as scum, but kinda okay calling Jay town right now and not worrying about it for at least like 20 minutes or so.

It is a read.

Werd. What gives me away, Seanzie?

It is a read.

Werd. What gives me away, Seanzie?

I mean, your general approach is helpful, and even though I kinda think you'd do that as either alignment as it would be expected of you, I'll still give marginal townpoints to people townsiding early on even if it is in their wolf range, but your approach to (and around) Lucy looks good, in particular this post:

I play casually every game, even when I Should be competitive. What about you? You seem to be taking this PREEETY serious

Does lucy taking the game PREEETY serious mean something to you?

Something about the combination of snideness, curiosity and pushing the game forward in this post is enough that town bells rang in my head.

Thanks for the answer, Seanzie. No immediate gripes.

All of this sticks out to me as a difference check between JJJ & Sean. Sean gives him a TR, that's hedged w/ "but he'd do it regardless of alignment", and JJJ is cool with that....it reeks, somebody isn't playing w/ straight dice

[MacDougall]

I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

The error here is that Mac doesn't bull fake reads and if he does, he will often give up the act shortly. For the tunnel to exist, his read had to at least exist in partial.

Unfortunately for us, in further reading his posts so far, I think he's town, just, well, as the kids would say, "a dingus" in regards to his read on me.

I don't understand why you go to such an extent to call me a dingus for scumreading you here? What purpose does it serve?

Just a means of saying you are wrong. Perhaps my use of young folk language came off too hard. I hope you are well aware of my love and admiration of you Mac.

Lol idc about the insult. I just find it weird that you are going on the attack over it. Like me making an incorrect read is nothing but meh. You're putting more emphasis on it than I feel it would deserve if it were just plain wrong.

Because I keep wavering on you my friend. I feel as if I have failed to read you correctly for a while now, and I'm not sure why.

It is somewhat frustrating to be honest, and I expect better of my read on you, so do forgive the passion I put into solving your slot this game.

Oh yeah I forgot about the part where I'm not an inno child lol.

[MacDougall]

I know it is only day 0 and I know I've not actually seen Jay as scum, but kinda okay calling Jay town right now and not worrying about it for at least like 20 minutes or so.

It is a read.

Werd. What gives me away, Seanzie?

It is a read.

Werd. What gives me away, Seanzie?

I mean, your general approach is helpful, and even though I kinda think you'd do that as either alignment as it would be expected of you, I'll still give marginal townpoints to people townsiding early on even if it is in their wolf range, but your approach to (and around) Lucy looks good, in particular this post:

I play casually every game, even when I Should be competitive. What about you? You seem to be taking this PREEETY serious

Does lucy taking the game PREEETY serious mean something to you?

Something about the combination of snideness, curiosity and pushing the game forward in this post is enough that town bells rang in my head.

Thanks for the answer, Seanzie. No immediate gripes.

All of this sticks out to me as a difference check between JJJ & Sean. Sean gives him a TR, that's hedged w/ "but he'd do it regardless of alignment", and JJJ is cool with that....it reeks, somebody isn't playing w/ straight dice

interesting you frame it this way and not just outright sus of seanzie given your already stated townread on Jay and scumread on Seanzie?

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy I have no idea when you have or have not done that exact thing as mafia. That is more specific than I am going to get with a meta read. Is Mac in the “town core”?

It appears so.

Even if it is just a 2 person core from what I've seen of the thread so far and trying to exclude my own bias. Other potential core members who are being read as town potentially include Boc, you, maybe Alison. It is early but I see it developing.

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Hm.

[falcon45ca]

I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).

Where did I say I'm SR Mac?




Hmmmmmm

[EnderWiggin]

Watch me flip from voting Falcon to voting with Falcon.

Tis my latest magic trick.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@falcon45ca I don’t understand how you’re getting from A (those reads from Seanzie and I) to B (difference check).

[EnderWiggin]

Mac’s entry into this game might be his most inspired in five years. Town read.

Honestly? That's more wolf indicative of him than when he goes all limp and lazy.

Is that your current read on Mac?

Idk it's kinda weak and I'm poking things.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@EnderWiggin how would you say you normally operate in terms of getting and sharing town reads

[falcon45ca]

I know it is only day 0 and I know I've not actually seen Jay as scum, but kinda okay calling Jay town right now and not worrying about it for at least like 20 minutes or so.

It is a read.

Werd. What gives me away, Seanzie?

It is a read.

Werd. What gives me away, Seanzie?

I mean, your general approach is helpful, and even though I kinda think you'd do that as either alignment as it would be expected of you, I'll still give marginal townpoints to people townsiding early on even if it is in their wolf range, but your approach to (and around) Lucy looks good, in particular this post:

I play casually every game, even when I Should be competitive. What about you? You seem to be taking this PREEETY serious

Does lucy taking the game PREEETY serious mean something to you?

Something about the combination of snideness, curiosity and pushing the game forward in this post is enough that town bells rang in my head.

Thanks for the answer, Seanzie. No immediate gripes.

All of this sticks out to me as a difference check between JJJ & Sean. Sean gives him a TR, that's hedged w/ "but he'd do it regardless of alignment", and JJJ is cool with that....it reeks, somebody isn't playing w/ straight dice

interesting you frame it this way and not just outright sus of seanzie given your already stated townread on Jay and scumread on Seanzie?

Yeah, I don't think they're both wolves, & JJJ has done other things I find more in line with his town play.





What does your world look like when I'm town? You've already admitted you had an immediate scum vibe off me, have you considered you're confbiasing?

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca I don’t understand how you’re getting from A (those reads from Seanzie and I) to B (difference check).

That's OK, I'd wager you see the game from my perspective approx 42% of the time

[Seanzie]

I am considering the exchanges between DrWilgy and Mac, and I have a vague concern.

The overall message of Wilgy’s read on Mac seems to slant positive. Indeed, my impression of that read is: Mac looks town except for his suspicion of me. There’s a resistance to rattling cages in that — one could argue Mac’s cage is being rattled, but only in response to receiving rattling from him. If Wilgy is mafia, here’s the rough translation:

Mac is town, too town for me to fully attack, but I have to at least do something about his correct read on me

I’m not sure I view the hedging as authentic

My friend, when have I ever done this as wolf? If I go after towncore as wolf It's all or nothing, but a half baked turd placed down to shrivel and die.

Especially d1, wouldn't I be more inclined to just give the TR and move on to a LHF?

This read is bad.

You seem significantly more reactionary and defensive than I have ever seen you. Do you feel you are being this way, and if so what do you attribute it to?

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin how would you say you normally operate in terms of getting and sharing town reads

I tend to play loosely early on until I gain some sort of confidence in the reads.

There's a few cases of me having very confident townreads early but I'm just not able to grasp anyone solidly on the town side this game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@falcon45ca I don’t understand how you’re getting from A (those reads from Seanzie and I) to B (difference check).

That's OK, I'd wager you see the game from my perspective approx 42% of the time

If you make a case for Seanzie I will listen.

[Seanzie]

I have one complaint about seanzie thus far and that's a lack of transparent townreads, but I find him kinda townie aside from that.

Serious question: Do you believe the average number of townreads/game I give over all days in all my town games is above or below 4?

I don't have any belief about how many townreads/game to expect from you, but I'm basing it more around what I like to see from players in general, and that is townreads along with scumreads.

Tbh, despite the number of times I've played with you, I don't feel like I have a good grasp on your playstyle possibly because it doesn't happen frequently. But when I do picture you playing mafia, I always picture you in an armchair.

Hmm... I suppose we haven't played many games together lately.

In that case if it is a general read rather than Seanzie-specific, what about me sticks out in terms of the number of townreads? Do you believe I have contributed the fewest overall, or was it some other criteria that caused you to focus on me?

My approach to today, I won't have time to read the first 1000 posts of this game, so I plan to read from this point forward, and dive into ISOs for earlier content when I can. You'd posted recently, so you were one of the first on my ISO list. Glancing through your ISO, the thing I am concerned by is that you've noted a number of reasons to suspect other players, but little reason to trust/TR anyone, which could be an attempt to keep any sort of towncore from happening. Would you consider that your playstyle? Are there players that you townread at this point? Did I miss seeing those in your ISO?

I think the way you phrased it is a bit leading/misleading. I am a scumhunter more than a townhunter, so while I am happy to contribute to the general PoE when I can, I mostly focus on who we should chop every day. trying to say this "keeps a towncore from happening" is a bit shallow of a take IMO. I feel like you should know this about me, as we have played quite a few games together, even if not for a while.

I feel okay about some players, mostly people who are consensus townreads though. Yes, I have given many "not a concern right now" reads, you must have missed those.

[falcon45ca]

Doing this for now
[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Maybe a weird read. But the one game I have with him he was more pure shitpost-y and difficult for me to get a read either way on. Here it's "shitpost-y" interspersed with like actual reads, which is throwing me off.

This is def a weird read, given you're using meta when I've played exactly 1 game with you

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca I don’t understand how you’re getting from A (those reads from Seanzie and I) to B (difference check).

That's OK, I'd wager you see the game from my perspective approx 42% of the time

If you make a case for Seanzie I will listen.

I know you would, you're a pretty swell guy.



I'm also not the type of player to build cases per se, they just happen when they happen. Most of my reads come thru w/ my spartan posting style, and you've read my stance on Sean. It's not changed

[MacDougall]

I know it is only day 0 and I know I've not actually seen Jay as scum, but kinda okay calling Jay town right now and not worrying about it for at least like 20 minutes or so.

It is a read.

Werd. What gives me away, Seanzie?

It is a read.

Werd. What gives me away, Seanzie?

I mean, your general approach is helpful, and even though I kinda think you'd do that as either alignment as it would be expected of you, I'll still give marginal townpoints to people townsiding early on even if it is in their wolf range, but your approach to (and around) Lucy looks good, in particular this post:

I play casually every game, even when I Should be competitive. What about you? You seem to be taking this PREEETY serious

Does lucy taking the game PREEETY serious mean something to you?

Something about the combination of snideness, curiosity and pushing the game forward in this post is enough that town bells rang in my head.

Thanks for the answer, Seanzie. No immediate gripes.

All of this sticks out to me as a difference check between JJJ & Sean. Sean gives him a TR, that's hedged w/ "but he'd do it regardless of alignment", and JJJ is cool with that....it reeks, somebody isn't playing w/ straight dice

interesting you frame it this way and not just outright sus of seanzie given your already stated townread on Jay and scumread on Seanzie?

Yeah, I don't think they're both wolves, & JJJ has done other things I find more in line with his town play.





What does your world look like when I'm town? You've already admitted you had an immediate scum vibe off me, have you considered you're confbiasing?

Mmm dunno son.

[falcon45ca]

Nate, Sean, Marmot



83% chance of at least 1 scum in that lil' group

[Marmot]

Nate, Sean, Marmot



83% chance of at least 1 scum in that lil' group

[falcon45ca]

Nate, Sean, Marmot



83% chance of at least 1 scum in that lil' group

What, you don't like my math?




I'm a Mathlete yo....tho I've been banned from international competition for taking PED's

[Creature]

Did anything happen?

[Creature]

Is falcon a wagon because he's wolfy or just POE?

[fingersplints]

I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).

I’ve been burned by this kind of logic before

[DrWilgy]

I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).

I’ve been burned by this kind of logic before

I feel that a comment like this from anyone else I'd call wolfy.

[DrWilgy]

Nah ur reads are bogus lol.

And you are either of the ten fools or a wolf.

Your read indicates one while behavior hits at the other, I'll place you orange.

I also agree DrWilgy's reads seem pulled out of a hat.

...

Which makes it worse that I agree with a lot of them.

I've shared more since the post about my reads you quoted. What are your thoughts on me and my studies?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I glanced at DrWilgy's ISO and have a firm townread there.

Tell me all about Doctor Will G. please

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).

I’ve been burned by this kind of logic before

I feel that a comment like this from anyone else I'd call wolfy.

But not from splints?

[EnderWiggin]

Nah ur reads are bogus lol.

And you are either of the ten fools or a wolf.

Your read indicates one while behavior hits at the other, I'll place you orange.

I also agree DrWilgy's reads seem pulled out of a hat.

...

Which makes it worse that I agree with a lot of them.

I've shared more since the post about my reads you quoted. What are your thoughts on me and my studies?

I'm slowly deciding I don't want to vote there rn.

[DrWilgy]

I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).

I’ve been burned by this kind of logic before

I feel that a comment like this from anyone else I'd call wolfy.

But not from splints?

Specifically. I expect worries and expression of worries from town splints.

Does this make them town? Not really, but it does give me a slight lean and I thought it warranted pointing out.