Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'd probs bet actual money Rondo is town here.

I do like to gamble though. But I'm pretty confident lol.

The question is, do I trust you or ender? Or neither

[MacDougall]

Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...

What caused the turnaround on me?

I read your ISO and it all read fine. Nothing bogus jumped out. Your Rondo shit was rational contextually, and I realised that my initial distaste of it was overblown because, as Falcon pointed out, it kind of is something you would do as town.

[Alison]

Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...

In what capacity do you know Lucy?

nothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takes

I don't believe in townreading discord mafia players for spamposting about out of game stuff.

Think the latter reason is fine. I'm with you on the conclusion.

[MacDougall]

I'd probs bet actual money Rondo is town here.

I do like to gamble though. But I'm pretty confident lol.

The question is, do I trust you or ender? Or neither

You don't need to trust me. I feel like I am looking at a town capable of winning this game without you specifically needing to townread me lol.

[Boquise]

Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?

I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

[Alison]

besides rondo I like this lobby

Rondo is cool. He's just an acquired taste. And you have to have a very refined palette.

How confident is your townread on Rondo?

[robyn]

Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...

In what capacity do you know Lucy?

nothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takes

I don't believe in townreading discord mafia players for spamposting about out of game stuff.

Think the latter reason is fine. I'm with you on the conclusion.

@MacDougall if you ever get to my last message you’ll realize everyone read me for different things, you included. i don’t think the best dc mafia player could fake all of that without any very bad posts

[MacDougall]

Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?

I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

I do that sometimes. Not always. You're doing the same thing you did last time we played reading me too one note.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'd probs bet actual money Rondo is town here.

I do like to gamble though. But I'm pretty confident lol.

The question is, do I trust you or ender? Or neither

You don't need to trust me. I feel like I am looking at a town capable of winning this game without you specifically needing to townread me lol.

I dont like that this is such a good answer. You're day 3 problem mac now.

[Alison]

Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

Why bring up Ender if you don't have anything to say about him?

[MacDougall]

besides rondo I like this lobby

Rondo is cool. He's just an acquired taste. And you have to have a very refined palette.

How confident is your townread on Rondo?

I'd probs bet actual money Rondo is town here.

I do like to gamble though. But I'm pretty confident lol.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...

In what capacity do you know Lucy?

nothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takes

I don't believe in townreading discord mafia players for spamposting about out of game stuff.

Think the latter reason is fine. I'm with you on the conclusion.

So when Lucy high posts its fine but when I high post its a crime? :think:

[MacDougall]

Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...

In what capacity do you know Lucy?

nothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takes

I don't believe in townreading discord mafia players for spamposting about out of game stuff.

Think the latter reason is fine. I'm with you on the conclusion.

@MacDougall if you ever get to my last message you’ll realize everyone read me for different things, you included. i don’t think the best dc mafia player could fake all of that without any very bad posts

I do think you're town. I don't quite get your approach but I don't think I have to lol.

[Alison]

switching my vote to falcon

i was thinking about doing it earlier

i think wilgy is sus but i think falcon is sussier

I haven't felt swayed on falcon in one direction or the other since I gave my initial read on him.

Wilgy is in my POE.

[Alison]

Nah ur reads are bogus lol.

And you are either of the ten fools or a wolf.

Your read indicates one while behavior hits at the other, I'll place you orange.

This aggression is townie for Wilgy though I think. I remember him playing more passively as mafia.

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Boquise ] aubergine

[MacDougall]

switching my vote to falcon

i was thinking about doing it earlier

i think wilgy is sus but i think falcon is sussier

I haven't felt swayed on falcon in one direction or the other since I gave my initial read on him.

Wilgy is in my POE.

I'd just like to point out, again, that I have been right on Falcon dating back about 20 games straight, as multiple alignments, including correctly reading him as independent once.

[Boquise]

I'mma go back to sleep tbh

Mac, could you explain your Lucy and Seanze and JJJ read? Tell me what it is you see tbh

could you please explain your sleep vote?

...I am not voting sleep?

It was a meme sir tbh nothing more tbqh

Wow I didn't get a meme, I better sign into a retainment home tbqfh

[Alison]

I think Mac is town and he is projecting the "I'm going to be power town Mac and walk over everyone" vibes this game so I am not sure why someone who usually plays a quiet game would suddenly feel inclined to pick a fight if he were scum. The indignation there feels sincere even if his solving has been shallow (which is why I initially POE'd him).

[robyn]

Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...

In what capacity do you know Lucy?

nothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takes

I don't believe in townreading discord mafia players for spamposting about out of game stuff.

Think the latter reason is fine. I'm with you on the conclusion.

@MacDougall if you ever get to my last message you’ll realize everyone read me for different things, you included. i don’t think the best dc mafia player could fake all of that without any very bad posts

I do think you're town. I don't quite get your approach but I don't think I have to lol.

yeah, all i did was make a bunch of posts, and i made half of what my 6 day champs game message count is already. i’ll message significantly less in the coming days, especially because i haven’t been talking about the game for most of it. gn

[Alison]

switching my vote to falcon

i was thinking about doing it earlier

i think wilgy is sus but i think falcon is sussier

I haven't felt swayed on falcon in one direction or the other since I gave my initial read on him.

Wilgy is in my POE.

I'd just like to point out, again, that I have been right on Falcon dating back about 20 games straight, as multiple alignments, including correctly reading him as independent once.

I have a good track record of reading Falcon too.

What's your case on him? Just what Nate said?

[MacDougall]

I think Mac is town and he is projecting the "I'm going to be power town Mac and walk over everyone" vibes this game so I am not sure why someone who usually plays a quiet game would suddenly feel inclined to pick a fight if he were scum. The indignation there feels sincere even if his solving has been shallow (which is why I initially POE'd him).

yeah lol

[MacDougall]

switching my vote to falcon

i was thinking about doing it earlier

i think wilgy is sus but i think falcon is sussier

I haven't felt swayed on falcon in one direction or the other since I gave my initial read on him.

Wilgy is in my POE.

I'd just like to point out, again, that I have been right on Falcon dating back about 20 games straight, as multiple alignments, including correctly reading him as independent once.

I have a good track record of reading Falcon too.

What's your case on him? Just what Nate said?

No, it was shallower than what he said. I just read his content and felt it was dishonest.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Just a reminder: 6. A tied day poll will result in no death. Votes matter. There will be no coin flips to determine poll results.

[Boquise]

Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...

Oh okay you have them as town now. I am kinda confused on the read progression tbh

Like did I misunderstand or did you not scum read Seanze, Lucy and Alison? What changed?

What a cringe term read progression is lol.

Seanzie i joke voted.
Lucy i just pushed off her entry in an over exaggerated manner.
Alison i thought was sus for pushing Rondo.

I then proceeded to reevaluate based on reading more content.

Why do you need to know why my read changed? Why do people always fixate on my reads changing like it's AI... It's so asinine lol.

It is more that it is a good place to start tbh!
Reads come from somewhere, even if just gut, and asking you about your reads help me solve you, and if I find you to be town, your reads could potentially help me find other town tbh

I notice some defensiveness here Macyboi tbh. I didn't mean it to be "AI".

[robyn]

Just a reminder: 6. A tied day poll will result in no death. Votes matter. There will be no coin flips to determine poll results.

why send this now lmao

[Alison]

I vibe with the discomfort, though. It seems pretty common on MU to offer early reads on the whole player list, which is foreign to me.

Speaking for myself, I like making day 1 reads because:

1. It causes people to do shit
2. My ability to make reads doesn't require heaps of content and tbh sometimes it's hindered by it... I would say in the main my reads have an arc curve in terms of accuracy. They start off good, get worse during mid game, and then get good at endgame lol.

Personally I like making day 1 reads because in every single game I play at least 2 or 3 players will immediately turn over their role card for public viewing when I do so.

[MacDougall]

Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny




Sean's a wolf

This post is scummy for Falcon... these reads are agenda laden regardless of what Alison and Jay's alignment is (can be t/w or t/t).

Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny




Sean's a wolf

why why why

It's how I'm reading your playstyle, your vibes.



t's the approach Alison has, her posting has a questioning solvey method, that doesn't feel like it's pushing an agenda. You have a similar feel, like you're working on solving the game.



Sean feels...stiff, awkward.

words... that mean nothing

What really did it was his spree of just asking aimless questions of why people had the reads they had that I can already see he has no intent in following up on lol.

eg., town Falcon doesn't give a shit about why EnderWiggin would vote Fingersplints lol.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Just a reminder: 6. A tied day poll will result in no death. Votes matter. There will be no coin flips to determine poll results.

why send this now lmao

Because its better if we get our shit together before rather than close to EOD

Also you should be asleep

[MacDougall]

Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...

Oh okay you have them as town now. I am kinda confused on the read progression tbh

Like did I misunderstand or did you not scum read Seanze, Lucy and Alison? What changed?

What a cringe term read progression is lol.

Seanzie i joke voted.
Lucy i just pushed off her entry in an over exaggerated manner.
Alison i thought was sus for pushing Rondo.

I then proceeded to reevaluate based on reading more content.

Why do you need to know why my read changed? Why do people always fixate on my reads changing like it's AI... It's so asinine lol.

It is more that it is a good place to start tbh!
Reads come from somewhere, even if just gut, and asking you about your reads help me solve you, and if I find you to be town, your reads could potentially help me find other town tbh

I notice some defensiveness here Macyboi tbh. I didn't mean it to be "AI".

You just annoy me ever since I read you saying that you don't like how I play. Because you said that and then repeatedly show me evidence that you have no idea how I play and your appraisal of my play is over simplified to a terrible degree.

[robyn]

eod is in 40h, but yeah i should get my 5.5h of sleep

[Alison]

I'd probs bet actual money Rondo is town here.

I do like to gamble though. But I'm pretty confident lol.

Hmmm

[RondoDimBuckle]

Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...

Oh okay you have them as town now. I am kinda confused on the read progression tbh

Like did I misunderstand or did you not scum read Seanze, Lucy and Alison? What changed?

What a cringe term read progression is lol.

Seanzie i joke voted.
Lucy i just pushed off her entry in an over exaggerated manner.
Alison i thought was sus for pushing Rondo.

I then proceeded to reevaluate based on reading more content.

Why do you need to know why my read changed? Why do people always fixate on my reads changing like it's AI... It's so asinine lol.

It is more that it is a good place to start tbh!
Reads come from somewhere, even if just gut, and asking you about your reads help me solve you, and if I find you to be town, your reads could potentially help me find other town tbh

I notice some defensiveness here Macyboi tbh. I didn't mean it to be "AI".

You just annoy me ever since I read you saying that you don't like how I play. Because you said that and then repeatedly show me evidence that you have no idea how I play and your appraisal of my play is over simplified to a terrible degree.

Hey lets not get personal. Im no mod tho, so go for the throat

[Alison]

[VOTE: Boquise] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

eod is in 40h, but yeah i should get my 5.5h of sleep

LOL 40 hours? this day 0 has fucked me up

[MacDougall]

Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...

Oh okay you have them as town now. I am kinda confused on the read progression tbh

Like did I misunderstand or did you not scum read Seanze, Lucy and Alison? What changed?

What a cringe term read progression is lol.

Seanzie i joke voted.
Lucy i just pushed off her entry in an over exaggerated manner.
Alison i thought was sus for pushing Rondo.

I then proceeded to reevaluate based on reading more content.

Why do you need to know why my read changed? Why do people always fixate on my reads changing like it's AI... It's so asinine lol.

It is more that it is a good place to start tbh!
Reads come from somewhere, even if just gut, and asking you about your reads help me solve you, and if I find you to be town, your reads could potentially help me find other town tbh

I notice some defensiveness here Macyboi tbh. I didn't mean it to be "AI".

You just annoy me ever since I read you saying that you don't like how I play. Because you said that and then repeatedly show me evidence that you have no idea how I play and your appraisal of my play is over simplified to a terrible degree.

Hey lets not get personal. Im no mod tho, so go for the throat

I'm not intending to cross any lines. Just want Boq to know where I stand with him atm so he's not so confused why I might have some hostile undertones.

[Alison]

Actually no.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[robyn]

i like mac

[Alison]

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

I am pretty sure Mac is town here and I have a lot of experience with him. Even if he is scum he is probably townsiding/bussing so I am going to sheep his reads this day phase tbh.

[MacDougall]

@Alison have you any thoughts on Jay?

[MacDougall]

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

I am pretty sure Mac is town here and I have a lot of experience with him. Even if he is scum he is probably townsiding/bussing so I am going to sheep his reads this day phase tbh.

and yet... you are not doing that... how odd lol

[Alison]

Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny




Sean's a wolf

This post is scummy for Falcon... these reads are agenda laden regardless of what Alison and Jay's alignment is (can be t/w or t/t).

Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny




Sean's a wolf

why why why

It's how I'm reading your playstyle, your vibes.



t's the approach Alison has, her posting has a questioning solvey method, that doesn't feel like it's pushing an agenda. You have a similar feel, like you're working on solving the game.



Sean feels...stiff, awkward.

words... that mean nothing

What really did it was his spree of just asking aimless questions of why people had the reads they had that I can already see he has no intent in following up on lol.

eg., town Falcon doesn't give a shit about why EnderWiggin would vote Fingersplints lol.

I don't really see the agenda in just throwing out naked reads.

I agree with you that the second post seems a little shallow in hindsight. My opinion of falcon has shifted down. Partially because of this and partially because I felt he treated my push on Rondo oddly. He doesn't react to it at first, then when Seanzie and Mac come along criticizing it for stirring up a chaotic player, he argues that it's something I would do as either alignment. Then later on says that he townread me less because of it.

[Alison]

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

I am pretty sure Mac is town here and I have a lot of experience with him. Even if he is scum he is probably townsiding/bussing so I am going to sheep his reads this day phase tbh.

and yet... you are not doing that... how odd lol

I'm not voting Rondo solely because of you.

I could be open to voting Falcon. I kinda want to explore Creature worlds for a bit because after I gave him cred for trying to solve he vanished, and JJJ has sus on him.

[Alison]

@Alison have you any thoughts on Jay?

He's town.

[MacDougall]

Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny




Sean's a wolf

This post is scummy for Falcon... these reads are agenda laden regardless of what Alison and Jay's alignment is (can be t/w or t/t).

Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny




Sean's a wolf

why why why

It's how I'm reading your playstyle, your vibes.



t's the approach Alison has, her posting has a questioning solvey method, that doesn't feel like it's pushing an agenda. You have a similar feel, like you're working on solving the game.



Sean feels...stiff, awkward.

words... that mean nothing

What really did it was his spree of just asking aimless questions of why people had the reads they had that I can already see he has no intent in following up on lol.

eg., town Falcon doesn't give a shit about why EnderWiggin would vote Fingersplints lol.

I don't really see the agenda in just throwing out naked reads.

I agree with you that the second post seems a little shallow in hindsight. My opinion of falcon has shifted down. Partially because of this and partially because I felt he treated my push on Rondo oddly. He doesn't react to it at first, then when Seanzie and Mac come along criticizing it for stirring up a chaotic player, he argues that it's something I would do as either alignment. Then later on says that he townread me less because of it.

the agenda is in who he chose to come up with reads on

town read the big scary folks
scum read the forever d1 mischop who shouldn't be because he's actually a really good townie with a good falcon read

[Alison]

Boquise feels like he is playing in a lonely manner. If he flipped scum I would be at a loss for figuring out who his accomplices are. He gives me the impression of someone popping in and trying to piece together a worldview by himself. This is townie.

[MacDougall]

Boquise feels like he is playing in a lonely manner. If he flipped scum I would be at a loss for figuring out who his accomplices are. He gives me the impression of someone popping in and trying to piece together a worldview by himself. This is townie.

Marmot and Fingersplints lol

[Alison]

the agenda is in who he chose to come up with reads on

town read the big scary folks
scum read the forever d1 mischop who shouldn't be because he's actually a really good townie with a good falcon read

I think the three people he brought up + Lucy were the only really active players at that point in time though.

[Alison]

Boquise feels like he is playing in a lonely manner. If he flipped scum I would be at a loss for figuring out who his accomplices are. He gives me the impression of someone popping in and trying to piece together a worldview by himself. This is townie.

Marmot and Fingersplints lol

Does this feel like a thread that has been left untouched by the presence of wolves?

[robyn]

Boquise feels like he is playing in a lonely manner. If he flipped scum I would be at a loss for figuring out who his accomplices are. He gives me the impression of someone popping in and trying to piece together a worldview by himself. This is townie.

Marmot and Fingersplints lol

Does this feel like a thread that has been left untouched by the presence of wolves?

yeah tbh. bad sign, no?