Osie's 18th Circle of Hell Game Thread - Day 4

[Millium]

@FoolsGold
I'm asking the only for the sake of clarity, mostly because I don't want to back read the flips or reread, since I don't have my contacts in and I can only read on mobile, but each of ur targets one one of the people that initially died each night?

[OwlsWriteLetters]

i dont believe the consequences part, because owl outted zone and doesnt seem like he got hit with any consequences.

Zone already out of world 1, tbf

[Millium]

i dont believe the consequences part, because owl outted zone and doesnt seem like he got hit with any consequences.

Well, I actually asked Osie if we were allowed to out our old partner and got back the answer that it may be disadvantageous (loosely paraphrased).
If nothing happens to Owl tonight/next phase, we might be more open to outting that info.

I mean that lines up, but I feel like many things are disadvantageous like claiming all my item tokens lol

I'm just curious now if 3 different factions we're all submitting one kill or at minimum two, because I account for the kiiruma kills, and if all this even lines up

[OwlsWriteLetters]

@TreeReaper
No, Zone thinks he is a wolf, and he currently is a wolf, whether that means absolutely anything, well I still don't know yet

Just to be clear, you mean wolf in the general sense of informed minority and not specifically as werewolf, correct?

And he openly admits this? Does he talk about a factional chat or action or anything else?

From what Zone has said in the ??? chat, he is in Owl's previous faction (mafia), and he has admitted that they had a chat and a factional kill.
That has to be an evil informed minority.

Incorrect

whats in correct about this?

I don't think world 1 factions are as straightforward as that

[OwlsWriteLetters]

i dont believe the consequences part, because owl outted zone and doesnt seem like he got hit with any consequences.

Well, I actually asked Osie if we were allowed to out our old partner and got back the answer that it may be disadvantageous (loosely paraphrased).
If nothing happens to Owl tonight/next phase, we might be more open to outting that info.

Ominous

[Chihiro]

i dont believe the consequences part, because owl outted zone and doesnt seem like he got hit with any consequences.

Well, I actually asked Osie if we were allowed to out our old partner and got back the answer that it may be disadvantageous (loosely paraphrased).
If nothing happens to Owl tonight/next phase, we might be more open to outting that info.

yeah but owl didnt state there was or would be any consequences.

[TreeReaper]

I'm also not particularly sure on Zone being a wolf. I feel like I'm decent at reading Zone and I don't think Zone is being any more scummy than usual? I supsect ATNL and I think I remember Onion being weird, but I'm legit sorry because I've been playing this game so poorly because I'm very confused and not much is making sense. It's hard to know who or what faction is actually evil. ~ Gorta

brah he's literally outted

I was about to ask how so

@TreeReaper
No, Zone thinks he is a wolf, and he currently is a wolf, whether that means absolutely anything, well I still don't know yet

@TreeReaper
No, Zone thinks he is a wolf, and he currently is a wolf, whether that means absolutely anything, well I still don't know yet

Just to be clear, you mean wolf in the general sense of informed minority and not specifically as werewolf, correct?

And he openly admits this? Does he talk about a factional chat or action or anything else?

Yes, and no Nanook admitted it for them both, but thats mostly irrelevant, cause like I said before, it was obvious zone was evil, I said it many times. Once Zone gets a role pm saying he is evil, even if he believes their are multiple faction, or he is uninformed, his playstyle and tonal shift, is so drastic and so noticeable

Oh ok, this must have been in this thread or in some chat we aren't a part of, but we can't even vote for zone right now anyway. ~ Gorta

[OwlsWriteLetters]

i dont believe the consequences part, because owl outted zone and doesnt seem like he got hit with any consequences.

Well, I actually asked Osie if we were allowed to out our old partner and got back the answer that it may be disadvantageous (loosely paraphrased).
If nothing happens to Owl tonight/next phase, we might be more open to outting that info.

yeah but owl didnt state there was or would be any consequences.

Zone is already out of world 1, I didn't bother asking tbh

[TreeReaper]

I won't be here for the EoD, so I'll talk to you guys tomorrow (day 5) ~ Gorta

[FoolsGold]

Probably claiming killing in the first place wasn't smart if they infact were told outting some of this information isn't wjse

Revealing that we used to have NKs and revealing who our partner was are two different things (at least that is how I see it).
I want to give as much info as I can since hiding it no longer helps our wincon but figuring out this game does.

[Chihiro]

i dont believe the consequences part, because owl outted zone and doesnt seem like he got hit with any consequences.

Well, I actually asked Osie if we were allowed to out our old partner and got back the answer that it may be disadvantageous (loosely paraphrased).
If nothing happens to Owl tonight/next phase, we might be more open to outting that info.

yeah but owl didnt state there was or would be any consequences.

Zone is already out of world 1, I didn't bother asking tbh

can you do me a favor and ask osie? If there would be consequences for outtinga priod member of your informed chat?

[Millium]

Now based needs to flip so they will actually play the game

[TownMisleaders]

i'm guessing foolsgold's partner was whysper for 3 reasons

1. foolsgold said their partner was already being suspected
2. whysper's claimed wincon is likely fake
3. foolsgold started having a hissy fit in the hood chat when kyo outted his plan to fps the redcheck on whysper

i'm not claiming my role, if you want to shoot me go right ahead, i'd be excited if it converted us to an informed minority so i could actually understand what's going on

[VOTE: Whysper] aubergine

[TownMisleaders]

I don't know how much of foolsgold not outting their previous partner is because they don't want to versus it actually being suboptimal, but either way i don't like it

[Silviu200530]

Votecount

Voted (Votes): Voter

Whysper (5): TwoPlayersAndAOnion, TimHortons, DunkinDonuts, SeonRichard, TownMisleaders
TwoPlayersAndAOnion (3): Whysper, KurosakiIchigo
Millium (2): +2
KurosakiIchogo (1): OwlsWriteLetters
TreeReaper (1): FoolsGold
ATNoLeafia (1): TreeReaper
based (1): +1
DunkinDonuts (1): Poison
Tsumugi (1): +1
OwlsWriteLetters (0): -1, Boquise
Not Voting (7): ATNoLeafia, based, beancat, Bee, FateShirou, Millium, Tsumugi

With 18 living non-exiled players, it takes 6 to eliminate via plurality at end of Day and 12 to eliminate via majority.

Checkpoint History:

Spoiler: show

Game Start
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
Day 1 Start
Night 1 Start
Day 2 Start
Night 1 Deaths
2.1
2.2
2.3
Night 2 Start (for some)
Day 2 Start (Again)
Day 3 Start (For Some)
2.4/3.1
2.5/3.2
3.3
3.4
3.5
3.6
3.7
3.8
3.9
Night 3 Start
Day 4 Start
4.1
4.2
4.3

[TownMisleaders]

Votecount

Voted (Votes): Voter

Whysper (4): TwoPlayersAndAOnion, TimHortons, DunkinDonuts, SeonRichard
TwoPlayersAndAOnion (3): Whysper, KurosakiIchigo
Millium (2): +2
KurosakiIchogo (1): OwlsWriteLetters
TreeReaper (1): FoolsGold
ATNoLeafia (1): TreeReaper
based (1): +1
DunkinDonuts (1): Poison
Tsumugi (1): +1
OwlsWriteLetters (0): -1, Boquise
Not Voting (8): ATNoLeafia, based, beancat, Bee, FateShirou, Millium, TownMisleaders, Tsumugi

With 18 living non-exiled players, it takes 6 to eliminate via plurality at end of Day and 12 to eliminate via majority.

Checkpoint History:

Spoiler: show

Game Start
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
Day 1 Start
Night 1 Start
Day 2 Start
Night 1 Deaths
2.1
2.2
2.3
Night 2 Start (for some)
Day 2 Start (Again)
Day 3 Start (For Some)
2.4/3.1
2.5/3.2
3.3
3.4
3.5
3.6
3.7
3.8
3.9
Night 3 Start
Day 4 Start
4.1
4.2
[url="https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 22#p917335"]4.3

literally just made a vote but ok

[FoolsGold]

@FoolsGold
I'm asking the only for the sake of clarity, mostly because I don't want to back read the flips or reread, since I don't have my contacts in and I can only read on mobile, but each of ur targets one one of the people that initially died each night?

Host Announcement
During the Night, SpectatoChat, Kiiruma, and SonicAndKnuckles would have died. BUT THEY SOMEHOW SURVIVED. They were Neutral Copsonistado, Town Kirby, and Neutral Circus Owner respectively.

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/osies- ... =foolsgold

@DkKoba, @SpectatoChat, and @Kiiruma have died! (For real this time. )

They were [REDACTED], Town Token, and Town Editor.

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/osies- ... =foolsgold

Day 4 Start

@FoolsGold, @Millium, and @OwlsWriteLetters would have died during the Night. BUT THEY SOMEHOW SURVIVED. They were Werewolf Ravenous Beast, Rebel False Claim Desperado, and Mafia Mooncaller.

In addition, @Zone_Q11 has been exiled and @based has returned.

Day 4 Starts now.

[FoolsGold]

i dont believe the consequences part, because owl outted zone and doesnt seem like he got hit with any consequences.

Zone already out of world 1, tbf

when did this happen?

[SeonRichard]

i dont believe the consequences part, because owl outted zone and doesnt seem like he got hit with any consequences.

Zone already out of world 1, tbf

Um what?

-CRichard

[FoolsGold]

i dont believe the consequences part, because owl outted zone and doesnt seem like he got hit with any consequences.

Well, I actually asked Osie if we were allowed to out our old partner and got back the answer that it may be disadvantageous (loosely paraphrased).
If nothing happens to Owl tonight/next phase, we might be more open to outting that info.

I mean that lines up, but I feel like many things are disadvantageous like claiming all my item tokens lol

I'm just curious now if 3 different factions we're all submitting one kill or at minimum two, because I account for the kiiruma kills, and if all this even lines up

I have no idea. I would assume each evil faction has a NK but there might be restrictions in place in maybe chances of the target getting hit or how often kills can be submitted. Although having a lot of KP at the start would be understandable considering people don't just die from being killed once.

[TownMisleaders]

also, foolsgold are probably lying about being mafia too since kiiruma's n0 difference check was on them

it's possible that the n0 difference checks only apply to initial alignments, but this is the only one that doesn't work with core alignments we've found so far

[SeonRichard]

I should go to bed soon.
Before I do so, I claimed my alignment on Fortress of Lies yet that's probably going to be annoying to check.
I'll save you all the trouble, and I claim to be of the Citizen alignment.
My win condition is to defeat all informed minority factions, and have at least member of my faction alive.
Which to me sounds like I'm of the uninformed majority alignment.
I'm not sure if I have to claim my role yet.

-CRichard

[TownMisleaders]

basically
kill whysper or kill foolsgold again
job done

[Millium]

Btw I'm going to repeat some of the stuff I got form my chat with Osie since idk who actively even reads them

The colors in flips are mechanically relevant, but dont mean anything in terms of alignment, so w/e someone flips be it town, mafia, or etc... We can assume those are the true flips outside anything other mechanical happenings going on

[TownMisleaders]

I should go to bed soon.
Before I do so, I claimed my alignment on Fortress of Lies yet that's probably going to be annoying to check.
I'll save you all the trouble, and I claim to be of the Citizen alignment.
My win condition is to defeat all informed minority factions, and have at least member of my faction alive.
Which to me sounds like I'm of the uninformed majority alignment.
I'm not sure if I have to claim my role yet.

-CRichard

citizen? wtf

[Millium]

I should go to bed soon.
Before I do so, I claimed my alignment on Fortress of Lies yet that's probably going to be annoying to check.
I'll save you all the trouble, and I claim to be of the Citizen alignment.
My win condition is to defeat all informed minority factions, and have at least member of my faction alive.
Which to me sounds like I'm of the uninformed majority alignment.
I'm not sure if I have to claim my role yet.

-CRichard

Another alignment?

[FoolsGold]

also, foolsgold are probably lying about being mafia too since kiiruma's n0 difference check was on them

it's possible that the n0 difference checks only apply to initial alignments, but this is the only one that doesn't work with core alignments we've found so far

kiiruma's first alignment was town and their second alignment was also town, they just falsely claimed mafia the second time

[FoolsGold]

I should go to bed soon.
Before I do so, I claimed my alignment on Fortress of Lies yet that's probably going to be annoying to check.
I'll save you all the trouble, and I claim to be of the Citizen alignment.
My win condition is to defeat all informed minority factions, and have at least member of my faction alive.
Which to me sounds like I'm of the uninformed majority alignment.
I'm not sure if I have to claim my role yet.

-CRichard

Are you a neut?

[TownMisleaders]

also, foolsgold are probably lying about being mafia too since kiiruma's n0 difference check was on them

it's possible that the n0 difference checks only apply to initial alignments, but this is the only one that doesn't work with core alignments we've found so far

kiiruma's first alignment was town and their second alignment was also town, they just falsely claimed mafia the second time

ah yes
he just randomly lied about being mafia for no reason
no, he was told he was mafia, and his real alignment was town because he was uninformed majority
he had a difference check on you, which means you weren't told you were mafia and are not an uninformed majority

[Millium]

I love when people just drop bombs and disappear, like there is no way CRich doesn't understand he was dropping a new alignment

[SeonRichard]

I should go to bed soon.
Before I do so, I claimed my alignment on Fortress of Lies yet that's probably going to be annoying to check.
I'll save you all the trouble, and I claim to be of the Citizen alignment.
My win condition is to defeat all informed minority factions, and have at least member of my faction alive.
Which to me sounds like I'm of the uninformed majority alignment.
I'm not sure if I have to claim my role yet.

-CRichard

Another alignment?

I'm in the uninformed majority, if that's anything to go with.
Dunno why the hosts decide to give me a Citizen PM role as their way of saying my alignment is uninformed majority.

-CRichard

[SeonRichard]

I should go to bed soon.
Before I do so, I claimed my alignment on Fortress of Lies yet that's probably going to be annoying to check.
I'll save you all the trouble, and I claim to be of the Citizen alignment.
My win condition is to defeat all informed minority factions, and have at least member of my faction alive.
Which to me sounds like I'm of the uninformed majority alignment.
I'm not sure if I have to claim my role yet.

-CRichard

Are you a neut?

No, I'm part of the uninformed majority.

-CRichard

[Millium]

also, foolsgold are probably lying about being mafia too since kiiruma's n0 difference check was on them

it's possible that the n0 difference checks only apply to initial alignments, but this is the only one that doesn't work with core alignments we've found so far

kiiruma's first alignment was town and their second alignment was also town, they just falsely claimed mafia the second time

ah yes
he just randomly lied about being mafia for no reason
no, he was told he was mafia, and his real alignment was town because he was uninformed majority
he had a difference check on you, which means you weren't told you were mafia and are not an uninformed majority

What are u talking about

[OwlsWriteLetters]

i dont believe the consequences part, because owl outted zone and doesnt seem like he got hit with any consequences.

Zone already out of world 1, tbf

when did this happen?

Yes its been brought to my attention that I misread sod post

[Millium]

3 different uninformed majorities now

[ATNoLeafia]

I think I remember why I wasn't liking ATNL, basically ATNL's comments like "my death doesn't help you, oh and you can all die" and the neutral claim itself doesn't sit well with me. To me it seemed that the slot was basically doing the most anti town things and saying "haha, I'm a noot". I don't think a good sided noot talks like ATNL did and even if ATNL is neutral it doesn't seem like they are trying to achieve a good win. ~ Gorta

Ahh yes, I think its time for me to pull up the neut dilemma. If I hard townside, I'm 100% getting shot and if I'm not, I'm getting lynched. Like I said, I'm not the slot who is killing other slot so your lynch on me is basically a waste of day. So now I ask you, who do you really think is scum because it looks like some kind of excuse to solve.

[TownMisleaders]

also, foolsgold are probably lying about being mafia too since kiiruma's n0 difference check was on them

it's possible that the n0 difference checks only apply to initial alignments, but this is the only one that doesn't work with core alignments we've found so far

kiiruma's first alignment was town and their second alignment was also town, they just falsely claimed mafia the second time

ah yes
he just randomly lied about being mafia for no reason
no, he was told he was mafia, and his real alignment was town because he was uninformed majority
he had a difference check on you, which means you weren't told you were mafia and are not an uninformed majority

What are u talking about

im tired of babysitting you on everything
how do you still not have recollection of flips or the kiiruma situation despite having the time to threadcamp

kiiruma claimed he was mafia
he didn't just do this for no reason, he's not a troll, he was actually told he was mafia and yet he flipped town
foolsgold claim they are mafia, but kiiruma had a difference check on them

[Chihiro]

@TreeReaper
No, Zone thinks he is a wolf, and he currently is a wolf, whether that means absolutely anything, well I still don't know yet

Just to be clear, you mean wolf in the general sense of informed minority and not specifically as werewolf, correct?

And he openly admits this? Does he talk about a factional chat or action or anything else?

From what Zone has said in the ??? chat, he is in Owl's previous faction (mafia), and he has admitted that they had a chat and a factional kill.
That has to be an evil informed minority.

Incorrect

whats in correct about this?

i mean this is fair
I don't think world 1 factions are as straightforward as that

[Millium]

I think I remember why I wasn't liking ATNL, basically ATNL's comments like "my death doesn't help you, oh and you can all die" and the neutral claim itself doesn't sit well with me. To me it seemed that the slot was basically doing the most anti town things and saying "haha, I'm a noot". I don't think a good sided noot talks like ATNL did and even if ATNL is neutral it doesn't seem like they are trying to achieve a good win. ~ Gorta

Ahh yes, I think its time for me to pull up the neut dilemma. If I hard townside, I'm 100% getting shot and if I'm not, I'm getting lynched. Like I said, I'm not the slot who is killing other slot so your lynch on me is basically a waste of day. So now I ask you, who do you really think is scum because it looks like some kind of excuse to solve.

I mean, leafia isn't wrong here, just saying, the neut dilemma is real, which is why poorly designed/most 3p roles are hot garbage.

[SeonRichard]

also, foolsgold are probably lying about being mafia too since kiiruma's n0 difference check was on them

it's possible that the n0 difference checks only apply to initial alignments, but this is the only one that doesn't work with core alignments we've found so far

kiiruma's first alignment was town and their second alignment was also town, they just falsely claimed mafia the second time

ah yes
he just randomly lied about being mafia for no reason
no, he was told he was mafia, and his real alignment was town because he was uninformed majority
he had a difference check on you, which means you weren't told you were mafia and are not an uninformed majority

What are u talking about

im tired of babysitting you on everything
how do you still not have recollection of flips or the kiiruma situation despite having the time to threadcamp

kiiruma claimed he was mafia
he didn't just do this for no reason, he's not a troll, he was actually told he was mafia and yet he flipped town
foolsgold claim they are mafia, but kiiruma had a difference check on them

In that case, then from the wagons so far. Onion isn't aligned with Whysper from the votes.
Foolsgold wouldn't be a bad counterwagon for today now you mention it.

-CRichard

[OwlsWriteLetters]

also, foolsgold are probably lying about being mafia too since kiiruma's n0 difference check was on them

it's possible that the n0 difference checks only apply to initial alignments, but this is the only one that doesn't work with core alignments we've found so far

kiiruma's first alignment was town and their second alignment was also town, they just falsely claimed mafia the second time

ah yes
he just randomly lied about being mafia for no reason
no, he was told he was mafia, and his real alignment was town because he was uninformed majority
he had a difference check on you, which means you weren't told you were mafia and are not an uninformed majority

What are u talking about

im tired of babysitting you on everything
how do you still not have recollection of flips or the kiiruma situation despite having the time to threadcamp

kiiruma claimed he was mafia
he didn't just do this for no reason, he's not a troll, he was actually told he was mafia and yet he flipped town
foolsgold claim they are mafia, but kiiruma had a difference check on them

He threadcamps he does not read back

[FoolsGold]

also, foolsgold are probably lying about being mafia too since kiiruma's n0 difference check was on them

it's possible that the n0 difference checks only apply to initial alignments, but this is the only one that doesn't work with core alignments we've found so far

kiiruma's first alignment was town and their second alignment was also town, they just falsely claimed mafia the second time

ah yes
he just randomly lied about being mafia for no reason
no, he was told he was mafia, and his real alignment was town because he was uninformed majority
he had a difference check on you, which means you weren't told you were mafia and are not an uninformed majority

this is speculation on my part, but I assume he was told he was town and informed minority so he realized that mafia might be the "good" faction for the second world and claimed that in the thread
yes, he had a difference check on us, but he flipped town both times (we were wolf and now mafia) so that checks out

you're basing this on the assumption that kiiruma was actually somehow mafia despite flipping town instead of coming to a more reasonable conclusion, which is that they lied

[Chihiro]

I should go to bed soon.
Before I do so, I claimed my alignment on Fortress of Lies yet that's probably going to be annoying to check.
I'll save you all the trouble, and I claim to be of the Citizen alignment.
My win condition is to defeat all informed minority factions, and have at least member of my faction alive.
Which to me sounds like I'm of the uninformed majority alignment.
I'm not sure if I have to claim my role yet.

-CRichard

wait what?

A NEW WIN CON?

A NEW FACTION?

[Millium]

also, foolsgold are probably lying about being mafia too since kiiruma's n0 difference check was on them

it's possible that the n0 difference checks only apply to initial alignments, but this is the only one that doesn't work with core alignments we've found so far

kiiruma's first alignment was town and their second alignment was also town, they just falsely claimed mafia the second time

ah yes
he just randomly lied about being mafia for no reason
no, he was told he was mafia, and his real alignment was town because he was uninformed majority
he had a difference check on you, which means you weren't told you were mafia and are not an uninformed majority

What are u talking about

im tired of babysitting you on everything
how do you still not have recollection of flips or the kiiruma situation despite having the time to threadcamp

kiiruma claimed he was mafia
he didn't just do this for no reason, he's not a troll, he was actually told he was mafia and yet he flipped town
foolsgold claim they are mafia, but kiiruma had a difference check on them

I mean I'm assuming kiiruma was evil, so no, I see a town flip, and town are the minority uninformed evil in accordance with my wincon

I don't know why he said mafia, maybe he saw that in his new role pm, or maybe he new from the start he was informed minority, so he just swapped his alignment

[SeonRichard]

I should go to bed soon.
Before I do so, I claimed my alignment on Fortress of Lies yet that's probably going to be annoying to check.
I'll save you all the trouble, and I claim to be of the Citizen alignment.
My win condition is to defeat all informed minority factions, and have at least member of my faction alive.
Which to me sounds like I'm of the uninformed majority alignment.
I'm not sure if I have to claim my role yet.

-CRichard

wait what?

A NEW WIN CON?

A NEW FACTION?

I think my win condition isn't new, as in defeating all informed minorities.
It's a new faction name you heard today, yet anti informed minority.

-CRichard

[FoolsGold]

SeonRichard is sus

[SeonRichard]

Weird how that's mentioned, soon after I talked about Foolsgold being a decent counter wagon choice.
Oh well, it is what it is.
I should go to bed soon.

-CRichard

[FoolsGold]

Also, MisLeaders is trying really hard to make a push out of questionable logic.

[ATNoLeafia]

I should go to bed soon.
Before I do so, I claimed my alignment on Fortress of Lies yet that's probably going to be annoying to check.
I'll save you all the trouble, and I claim to be of the Citizen alignment.
My win condition is to defeat all informed minority factions, and have at least member of my faction alive.
Which to me sounds like I'm of the uninformed majority alignment.
I'm not sure if I have to claim my role yet.

-CRichard

wait what?

A NEW WIN CON?

A NEW FACTION?

I think my win condition isn't new, as in defeating all informed minorities.
It's a new faction name you heard today, yet anti informed minority.

-CRichard

Whats so special about your faction?

[Millium]

Honestly idk how Arctic doesn't get lunched more often than not with the way he talks lmao

I mean the argument I could take here is that FoolsGold is a separate minority evil, not aligned with kiiruma, but I'm assuming kiiruma was a hit until told otherwise, it's literally the only thing I can believe, like I can't sit here and just assume everything is a lie