RPG Mafia MAFIA WIN

[Urist]

i switched my vote to TSP because i think he has a better chance of going over.
i do think that marmot has more wolf % in him though

source: ancestry.ca

[Le petit poussin]

if linearpoint is a wolf, why is she not trying to save herself while there's so much contention for top wagon?

dunya/lp w/w clearly

ur face is a wolf Dolb (explain this to me like I am 5 - which I am actually)

[Le petit poussin]

also, it would be really nice you all stop posting for like 20 minutes so I can ketchup. tyvm

[Dolby]

if linearpoint is a wolf, why is she not trying to save herself while there's so much contention for top wagon?

dunya/lp w/w clearly

ur face is a wolf Dolb (explain this to me like I am 5 - which I am actually)

dunya and lp have been not crossed and have been exploring multiple others options than each other. I view these options as opportunistic as they are somehow the only other places with even a modicum of outside support

[Jackofhearts2005]

And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.

i've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody responded

My bad. But she does.

do you have an example of a game where she did this?

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[hollowkatt]

Saving Dunya

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

ngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

If they’re both v/v they’re picking LP 10 times out of 10

that's my way of saying I don't think they're both v

what's your take on them being v/w?

I think only possible if LP is the w

It's possible dunya is town if LP is a wolf, and in that world the dunya voters are trying to save LP by pushing dunya over which makes them more likely wolves.

if LP is town I think dunya is almost always a wolf. I still think it's possible, maybe even likely that they're both wolves. I do not think they're both town at all.

eh if LP is town I'd probably look at the Dunya wagon and assume they're v/v tbh

Dunya's positioning surrounding here, Wilgy, and her EoD1 wagon (pending reread) might be enough for me

also I don't think her posting has been that bad

if LP is town and Dunya is town then I think Jack/TSP contains two wolves.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Buddying/ATE is a suuuuuuuuper common wolf tactic from Dunya.

[Dolby]

if linearpoint is a wolf, why is she not trying to save herself while there's so much contention for top wagon?

dunya/lp w/w clearly

ur face is a wolf Dolb (explain this to me like I am 5 - which I am actually)

dunya and lp have been not crossed and have been exploring multiple others options than each other. I view these options as opportunistic as they are somehow the only other places with even a modicum of outside support

actually scotty didn't have support but dunya on wilgy was a grr

[Scotty]

Actualyl I might amend the Mafia list I made.
Sig is such a wildcard they could be Mafia.

take on Wilgy?

Why are the rest of us town?

I mean Jack, TSP, and Scotty all have played this day pertty scummy.
They've been doing their best to switch wagons at opportune times to keep the vote counts even.
I really cannot see them being Town. Maybe 1, (Jack most likely to not be Mafia of those 3)
Dya is also played the exact same as GoC which she was Mafia.
Wilgy has always been mislynch bait so no.

Well that’s just not true RE: me. I’ve talked as infinitum about how I’m ready to just push someone over. It’s everyone else that keeps getting cold feet. You’re gesticulating like you’ve been around to watch the madness of this day unfold.

And going back to your post a few posts prior- you think this is one of your Towniest games? Really?

[Le petit poussin]

if linearpoint is a wolf, why is she not trying to save herself while there's so much contention for top wagon?

dunya/lp w/w clearly

ur face is a wolf Dolb (explain this to me like I am 5 - which I am actually)

dunya and lp have been not crossed and have been exploring multiple others options than each other. I view these options as opportunistic as they are somehow the only other places with even a modicum of outside support

DOn't you think one of them would have been majed for cred in that world?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also, I’d like to hear why everybody who has voted LP thinks LP is scummy.

Admittedly, I normally lock LP in as town (or so obvious town, she must die) very quickly (like 2/2 games we’ve played together). I haven’t done that here. But she’s also the popular CW to the player I want yeeted and nobody has said (that I’ve read) a reason to scumread her that is even marginally compelling.

I also wanted to come back to this post actually because this is probably Mafia just due to the fact it is blatantly wrong.
I was horribly scummy as Town in both my other Town games and if I didn't die at night to vigilantes I was going to be lynched.
This is by far my strongest Town game and it feels like I'm doing a much better job of solving. I think today if I die or not a lot of Mafia have outed themselves.

Pretty confident in a Dya, Scotty, TSP, and Jack team.
Maximum one of those is wrong.

This is such a weird assertion. I townread you strongly in TF by D3. which is the only game we played in that I could find. Go look.

[Dolby]

if linearpoint is a wolf, why is she not trying to save herself while there's so much contention for top wagon?

dunya/lp w/w clearly

ur face is a wolf Dolb (explain this to me like I am 5 - which I am actually)

dunya and lp have been not crossed and have been exploring multiple others options than each other. I view these options as opportunistic as they are somehow the only other places with even a modicum of outside support

DOn't you think one of them would have been majed for cred in that world?

it's kinda hard to for Dunya when she commited to a TR

LP wasn't present enough to have the chance, and also committed to a Dunya TR later anyway

[hollowkatt]

@Scotty @hollowkatt

Quit dipping your toes in and then running out of the pool like it's too freaking cold. Dunya's going today with or without you.

You both said it yourself. She needs to be resolved regardless of alignment and her flip helps solve the rest of the game.

Even if LP is a wolf, she could be a wolf with freaking anybody and the game doesn't advance at all.

If LP flips town I think it virtually guarantees dunya is a wolf. If LP flips wolf though dunya does not get resolved in the same way. Likewise if dunya flips wolf LP does not get resolved in the same way. Only somewhat does LP resolve if dunya flips town.
To the point where I think flipping LP gives as much, if not more, information as flipping dunya does.

[Scotty]

if linearpoint is a wolf, why is she not trying to save herself while there's so much contention for top wagon?

dunya/lp w/w clearly

ur face is a wolf Dolb (explain this to me like I am 5 - which I am actually)

dunya and lp have been not crossed and have been exploring multiple others options than each other. I view these options as opportunistic as they are somehow the only other places with even a modicum of outside support

DOn't you think one of them would have been majed for cred in that world?

it's kinda hard to for Dunya when she commited to a TR

LP wasn't present enough to have the chance, and also committed to a Dunya TR later anyway

I don’t remember what the votes were like when she called LP town. If it was early on, I see this scenario, but if it were later, less so

[Dolby]

if linearpoint is a wolf, why is she not trying to save herself while there's so much contention for top wagon?

dunya/lp w/w clearly

ur face is a wolf Dolb (explain this to me like I am 5 - which I am actually)

dunya and lp have been not crossed and have been exploring multiple others options than each other. I view these options as opportunistic as they are somehow the only other places with even a modicum of outside support

DOn't you think one of them would have been majed for cred in that world?

it's kinda hard to for Dunya when she commited to a TR

LP wasn't present enough to have the chance, and also committed to a Dunya TR later anyway

I don’t remember what the votes were like when she called LP town. If it was early on, I see this scenario, but if it were later, less so

I'm pretty sure it was pretty early on?

Definetely before a hammer opportunity

[hollowkatt]

Saving Dunya

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

ngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

If they’re both v/v they’re picking LP 10 times out of 10

that's my way of saying I don't think they're both v

what's your take on them being v/w?

I think only possible if LP is the w

It's possible dunya is town if LP is a wolf, and in that world the dunya voters are trying to save LP by pushing dunya over which makes them more likely wolves.

if LP is town I think dunya is almost always a wolf. I still think it's possible, maybe even likely that they're both wolves. I do not think they're both town at all.

Once again, yes, TSP and I chose to attempt to yeet notoriously LHF player....Dunya. To defend a teammate, LP, who nobody townreads on her own merits and who doesn't seem to gaf about the game.

Come the fuck on.

straight up I think if dunya flips town min one wolf between you and tsp. I agree with Urist that Town Jack and Town TSP do not push Town Dunya like this. I think town Jack/TSP push wolf dunya like this for sure. Wolf Jack/TSP might push town dunya like this.

[Urist]

can we stop talking about information and just yeet wolves pls

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack I think you're getting unreasonably sus bc of the rigidity of the scum list and your inclusion on it

Speaking as someone who wants Lp dead

Oh I get what you're saying, here, now.

That LP is scum and stuck with a small scum list so she's gotta scumread me so that's why she "scumreads" me. Got it.

[Dolby]

ngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

If they’re both v/v they’re picking LP 10 times out of 10

that's my way of saying I don't think they're both v

what's your take on them being v/w?

I think only possible if LP is the w

It's possible dunya is town if LP is a wolf, and in that world the dunya voters are trying to save LP by pushing dunya over which makes them more likely wolves.

if LP is town I think dunya is almost always a wolf. I still think it's possible, maybe even likely that they're both wolves. I do not think they're both town at all.

Once again, yes, TSP and I chose to attempt to yeet notoriously LHF player....Dunya. To defend a teammate, LP, who nobody townreads on her own merits and who doesn't seem to gaf about the game.

Come the fuck on.

straight up I think if dunya flips town min one wolf between you and tsp. I agree with Urist that Town Jack and Town TSP do not push Town Dunya like this. I think town Jack/TSP push wolf dunya like this for sure. Wolf Jack/TSP might push town dunya like this.

people can be wrong tbh

[Urist]

@LinearPoint switch back to tsp ty

[hollowkatt]

I targeted dunya last night with druid level 2

[Jackofhearts2005]

ngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

If they’re both v/v they’re picking LP 10 times out of 10

that's my way of saying I don't think they're both v

what's your take on them being v/w?

I think only possible if LP is the w

It's possible dunya is town if LP is a wolf, and in that world the dunya voters are trying to save LP by pushing dunya over which makes them more likely wolves.

if LP is town I think dunya is almost always a wolf. I still think it's possible, maybe even likely that they're both wolves. I do not think they're both town at all.

Once again, yes, TSP and I chose to attempt to yeet notoriously LHF player....Dunya. To defend a teammate, LP, who nobody townreads on her own merits and who doesn't seem to gaf about the game.

Come the fuck on.

straight up I think if dunya flips town min one wolf between you and tsp. I agree with Urist that Town Jack and Town TSP do not push Town Dunya like this. I think town Jack/TSP push wolf dunya like this for sure. Wolf Jack/TSP might push town dunya like this.

So yeeting Dunya solves the game. Let's fucking go.

[hollowkatt]

If they’re both v/v they’re picking LP 10 times out of 10

that's my way of saying I don't think they're both v

what's your take on them being v/w?

I think only possible if LP is the w

It's possible dunya is town if LP is a wolf, and in that world the dunya voters are trying to save LP by pushing dunya over which makes them more likely wolves.

if LP is town I think dunya is almost always a wolf. I still think it's possible, maybe even likely that they're both wolves. I do not think they're both town at all.

Once again, yes, TSP and I chose to attempt to yeet notoriously LHF player....Dunya. To defend a teammate, LP, who nobody townreads on her own merits and who doesn't seem to gaf about the game.

Come the fuck on.

straight up I think if dunya flips town min one wolf between you and tsp. I agree with Urist that Town Jack and Town TSP do not push Town Dunya like this. I think town Jack/TSP push wolf dunya like this for sure. Wolf Jack/TSP might push town dunya like this.

people can be wrong tbh

I'm basically calling that a meta read that jack/tsp have vastly more dunya experience than I do and that I do not think they get her wrong this vociferously.

[hollowkatt]

If they’re both v/v they’re picking LP 10 times out of 10

that's my way of saying I don't think they're both v

what's your take on them being v/w?

I think only possible if LP is the w

It's possible dunya is town if LP is a wolf, and in that world the dunya voters are trying to save LP by pushing dunya over which makes them more likely wolves.

if LP is town I think dunya is almost always a wolf. I still think it's possible, maybe even likely that they're both wolves. I do not think they're both town at all.

Once again, yes, TSP and I chose to attempt to yeet notoriously LHF player....Dunya. To defend a teammate, LP, who nobody townreads on her own merits and who doesn't seem to gaf about the game.

Come the fuck on.

straight up I think if dunya flips town min one wolf between you and tsp. I agree with Urist that Town Jack and Town TSP do not push Town Dunya like this. I think town Jack/TSP push wolf dunya like this for sure. Wolf Jack/TSP might push town dunya like this.

So yeeting Dunya solves the game. Let's fucking go.

for me LP is more independently wolfy but sure. if you're wrong I'm killing you tomorrow btw
[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

[Le petit poussin]

if linearpoint is a wolf, why is she not trying to save herself while there's so much contention for top wagon?

dunya/lp w/w clearly

ur face is a wolf Dolb (explain this to me like I am 5 - which I am actually)

dunya and lp have been not crossed and have been exploring multiple others options than each other. I view these options as opportunistic as they are somehow the only other places with even a modicum of outside support

DOn't you think one of them would have been majed for cred in that world?

it's kinda hard to for Dunya when she commited to a TR

LP wasn't present enough to have the chance, and also committed to a Dunya TR later anyway

I mean, even if they are ww, there are other wolves

[Dolby]

Jack I think you're getting unreasonably sus bc of the rigidity of the scum list and your inclusion on it

Speaking as someone who wants Lp dead

Oh I get what you're saying, here, now.

That LP is scum and stuck with a small scum list so she's gotta scumread me so that's why she "scumreads" me. Got it.

honestly it was a kneejerk reaction to what I felt was a one dimensional viewfrom LP and tbf LP has probably read 50% of the game but yeah that's what I was going for in the moment

something something your slot under the radar d1, same with Dya and Tony

[Dolby]

I targeted dunya last night with druid level 2

hot take

this is a reason to kill dunya

[Urist]

And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.

i've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody responded

My bad. But she does.

do you have an example of a game where she did this?

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thanks, just wanted to confirm you weren't just making up the read / echoing syn.

[Urist]

I targeted dunya last night with druid level 2

hot take

this is a reason to kill dunya

what? no.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Scotty @hollowkatt

Quit dipping your toes in and then running out of the pool like it's too freaking cold. Dunya's going today with or without you.

You both said it yourself. She needs to be resolved regardless of alignment and her flip helps solve the rest of the game.

Even if LP is a wolf, she could be a wolf with freaking anybody and the game doesn't advance at all.

If LP flips town I think it virtually guarantees dunya is a wolf. If LP flips wolf though dunya does not get resolved in the same way. Likewise if dunya flips wolf LP does not get resolved in the same way. Only somewhat does LP resolve if dunya flips town.
To the point where I think flipping LP gives as much, if not more, information as flipping dunya does.

But you keep saying that Dunya's flip resolves me AND Tony. And if it resolves us as town, that means that I'm probably right in my assertion that other players defending Dunya or showing TMI about her wolf alignment (specifically, Scotty and Urist, with a smaller dose of Dya and you) are likely wolves as well.

People can't even agree that if LP is a wolf it makes me and Tony wolves or it makes Dunya a wolf.

Although, tbf, Scotty has flat stated that he thinks I'm voting Dunya to defend LP (when LP had more votes) and that I was voting Dunya to bus Dunya (when Dunya had more votes).

If that isn't tmi that Scotty is wolves with Dunya, I don't know what is. Combine that with their multiple opportunistic turn arounds on each other and locking Tony and I town when Dunya goes, that essentially solves the game and you know it. Quit fighting it. Let's yeet this furball.

[Dolby]

I targeted dunya last night with druid level 2

hot take

this is a reason to kill dunya

what? no.

If Dunya is a wolf this drastically increases the value of her flip

[TonyStarkPrime]

Idk what else do you want me to say Idont really have many other takes

Reads list maybe?

Dunya wolf

[Jackofhearts2005]

can we stop talking about information and just yeet wolves pls

I'm trying so hard to do that just freaking follow me.

There's a group of players that are just super resistant to yeeting Dunya and it's hard to tell the wolves from the pocketed (Scotty being a wolf, aside) so stop freaking being pocketed.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I targeted dunya last night with druid level 2

hot take

this is a reason to kill dunya

No

[TonyStarkPrime]

I mean yes you can believe that and I’ll lsipport yout belief

[Jackofhearts2005]

that's my way of saying I don't think they're both v

what's your take on them being v/w?

I think only possible if LP is the w

It's possible dunya is town if LP is a wolf, and in that world the dunya voters are trying to save LP by pushing dunya over which makes them more likely wolves.

if LP is town I think dunya is almost always a wolf. I still think it's possible, maybe even likely that they're both wolves. I do not think they're both town at all.

Once again, yes, TSP and I chose to attempt to yeet notoriously LHF player....Dunya. To defend a teammate, LP, who nobody townreads on her own merits and who doesn't seem to gaf about the game.

Come the fuck on.

straight up I think if dunya flips town min one wolf between you and tsp. I agree with Urist that Town Jack and Town TSP do not push Town Dunya like this. I think town Jack/TSP push wolf dunya like this for sure. Wolf Jack/TSP might push town dunya like this.

So yeeting Dunya solves the game. Let's fucking go.

for me LP is more independently wolfy but sure. if you're wrong I'm killing you tomorrow btw
[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

Which gets us even close to solving the game and getting us into weird pack theory territory.

[Dolby]

can we stop talking about information and just yeet wolves pls

I'm trying so hard to do that just freaking follow me.

There's a group of players that are just super resistant to yeeting Dunya and it's hard to tell the wolves from the pocketed (Scotty being a wolf, aside) so stop freaking being pocketed.

I mean, you scumread LP to right?

So like

should just be fine

[Le petit poussin]

I mean where is w!dunia when she is about to get yeeted?

[Jackofhearts2005]

And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.

i've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody responded

My bad. But she does.

do you have an example of a game where she did this?

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thanks, just wanted to confirm you weren't just making up the read / echoing syn.

Urist: I think Dunya is town because I don't think she'd use ATE as scum.
Jack: She totally would.
Urist: Prove it!
Jack: Here is her using heavy ATE as a scum
Urist: Okay, I was just testing you. I will not change my townread on Dunya even though my reasoning for townreading Dunya was proven wrong

Totes not wolves together, folks.

[hollowkatt]

I targeted dunya last night with druid level 2

hot take

this is a reason to kill dunya

hotter take: this is why I've been so reluctant to chop her today. I want to know what was done.

[Le petit poussin]

@dunya What did u do N1?

[Marmot]

I'm shocked anyone town read me in either of those games lol.

I dunno, I agree with Jack, I've lock townread you in Team Fortress and another game where you were town (I think it was Fortune of Lies)

[Dolby]

I targeted dunya last night with druid level 2

hot take

this is a reason to kill dunya

hotter take: this is why I've been so reluctant to chop her today. I want to know what was done.

if dunya flips w it stands to reason that all claimed actions on her that you can match are town or we can force a 50/50 if scum wants to claim one.

Like, there's no reason for scum to visit dunya if she's w unless they also want to use druid level 2 on her, in which case, lol that's whack

[Jackofhearts2005]

Call me dense but I fail to see how Dunya being targetted with things N1 is alignment indicative in the least. She lead a wagon on a townie and had moderate suspicion leveled against her during the day. Townies will target her regardless of alignment and wolves probably wouldn't target her if she's town except maybe with a single thousand cuts in case she self clears.

So I don't see how knowing what she was targetted with does anything for her alignment. Or does anything after the fact if we flip her.

[Le petit poussin]

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine (sorry Tony, I am letting you down for now)

[Urist]

can we stop talking about information and just yeet wolves pls

I'm trying so hard to do that just freaking follow me.

There's a group of players that are just super resistant to yeeting Dunya and it's hard to tell the wolves from the pocketed (Scotty being a wolf, aside) so stop freaking being pocketed.

i'm not pocketed lol, i had her as mafia until this morning.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm shocked anyone town read me in either of those games lol.

I dunno, I agree with Jack, I've lock townread you in Team Fortress and another game where you were town (I think it was Fortune of Lies)

Heya, Marmot and @TonyStarkPrime

Take a look at Scotty's and Urist's posts wrt Dunya and tell me how wolf indicative you think they are or aren't.

Same for HK, though I think his are much less so, personally.

[Marmot]

what's the thread take on marmot

marmot is an enigma
the fact that nobody's been talking about him one way or another is >rand scum.
even in the talks about "who looks bad for pushing dunya", marmot's name doesn't come up.

I seem to be your preferred kill option at the moment, is this why?

[Dolby]

Call me dense but I fail to see how Dunya being targetted with things N1 is alignment indicative in the least. She lead a wagon on a townie and had moderate suspicion leveled against her during the day. Townies will target her regardless of alignment and wolves probably wouldn't target her if she's town except maybe with a single thousand cuts in case she self clears.

So I don't see how knowing what she was targetted with does anything for her alignment. Or does anything after the fact if we flip her.

it doesn't, but if she flips w it means that everyone who targetted her looks very good. which i like

[Marmot]

I'm shocked anyone town read me in either of those games lol.

I dunno, I agree with Jack, I've lock townread you in Team Fortress and another game where you were town (I think it was Fortune of Lies)

Heya, Marmot and @TonyStarkPrime

Take a look at Scotty's and Urist's posts wrt Dunya and tell me how wolf indicative you think they are or aren't.

Same for HK, though I think his are much less so, personally.

I agree that Scotty's handling of dunya isn't great, which is why I want to flip dunya.

Urist I townread for raisins, but that has dwindled over the last page or so. He went from wanting to kill dunya to wanting to kill Me/Jack/TSP for pushing dunia, and I don't know why.