RPG Mafia MAFIA WIN

[Urist]

@Urist do you think it's weird that LP sheeped me yesterday?

I spent all of yesterday pretty much thinking if Scotty is town, LP is mafia and that's even before the scummy posts today.

i think it's weird that she voted for scotty. afaict she didn't mention an actual read on him, and the last time she mentioned him directly on d1 was saying "i need to look into him".
reading her iso i think it's more likely that LP and Scotty are paired, she makes a lot of reads based on peoples' treatment of scotty but avoids mentioning scotty directly.

[NotAnAxehole]

If LP flips mafia, the partners are TSP, Dyachei, Jacko

you're just daring me to hammer rn

You would need your partners to agree, they won't.

jack would definitely be down don't you know us

*Shrug* still you would have needed Dya too

[dunya]

I think resolving LP is more of a likely hit than funya today tbh

either commit to me being town or yeet me today.

but damn you guys are terrible for blood pressure, dangling me around like "dunya gotta be resolved but not today"

no, resolve me now and be done. i'm not bringing anything more to the table than the ~300 posts i have. if you can't commit based on those posts, then i'm likely mafia and get rid of the noise.

You’re saying this isnt AtE but also are getting frustrated that you’re not being universally Townread for open wolfing all of day 2.

I appreciated what you’ve done looking at wilgy. More of that, less of falling on your sword pls

i'm frustrated how i play is called "open wolfing" by you. that's annoying, yes. i breathe - i'm wolf. i post something - i scumslipped. it's a lot. i've contributed plenty, so to summarize it down to "all you did d2 is open wolf" well that is demotivating actually.

if i want to have fun with friends in the middle of everything, i don't see why not and i plan to continue playing with my meta until i enjoy playing.

i made an error in misreading creature: this sets up a scenario where i am dangled around as dunya is wolf all game for that. i want out-- better for town.

You saying you have scumslipped and outright admitting you are wolf is openwolfing.

It doesn’t mean I think you’re wolf for it.

More like: A sheep in wolf’s clothing, as it were

it's sarcasm, actually. i'm being sarcastic.

[dunya]

2 more to hammer me!

[Dolby]

I mean mac was scummy af day 1 so like I'm not sure why you'd ever kill an easy mislynch.

this is the first remotely towny thing I've seen from LP and it's towny bc scum don't normally say that they sr the nk but not enough

TSP seeing the same things I am and tunneling Dunya is a big ???

There is a non-zero chance at least 1 of TSP/LP/dunya are wolf. Slightly lower non-zero chance 2 of them are wolves.

unless it's lp/tsp teammed I am really not seeing this tbh

something something HK v

LP probably hobnobbing with their scum buddies to figure out the best direction to take.

New readlist:
Townread:
HK
NAA
Wilgy
Marmot
Dolby

Townlean:
dya
Syn
Petit poussin
Dunya

Scumlean:
Jack
Urist

Scumread:
TSP
LP


Let’s not forget sig is in this game. He could just be a latent wolf. He will resolve at some point, but it’s messing with my numbers.

this is an overall alright readslist

i guess TSP/LP can be teammed

don't get why jack is scumread by half the game

wilgy shouldn't be that high up imo

wait scotty werent you wolf reading dunya earlier?

Correct.

But I’m spooked that my two top scum are currently voting her.
TSP has said LP is probably wolf too, but dunya apparently is “a bigger fish” which is sorta insulting to LP’s capabilities but LP has no comment there. Is continuing to vote dunya.
Dunya is acting very odd, and as you can see, she is at the very bottom of my townleans.

yeah you're still town

I've just skimmed Mac's iso:

I think:

Most likely to be mafia in orange

Players higher on the list are more likely to be mafia with people who are low on the list / not on the list.

LPP
TSP
Urist
Scotty
HK
Syn
LP
Dolby
Marmot


Players not really mentioned / not in the above ranking:
Sig, Jack, Dya, DrWilgy

I really don't get the HK sus?

or what that higher on the list line means

I read some JAck posts and honestly he can be maf and the fact that he never had a wagon take off is abad look

Ok NAA has derped so hard that he’s lock town now

I think I see what you're seeing and sadly yes

Multiclassing is for weaklings so is not spending CP on your main class immediately. Just pump all your CP into one basket.
You wont regret it.

incredibly based but also I'm not moving

rask with a good take on lp is good

Hot take that I have is that Dya shouldn't be cleared. Idk what they've done to be as town read as this

game is hard

drwilgy
tsp
jack
sig

no reason to townread them

tinfoil:
dya
LP
dolby



i actually think urist is town.


if scotty is town, i suck at mafia 2 games in a row.

LP is actually scummy, the others outside tinfoil are just lacking, me and Dya are low posters

inside game is hard are what I'd consider the easier scumreads (minus Jack)

this is basically sort by post count

not a good look

I do actually think that Dya is a non-consensus at least but they have like 20 posts?

Dunya is the only player that has voted not currently on a wagon.

She’s willingly not choosing to place a vote to save herself on LP because she has expressed vested interest in committing to LP = town.

@Le petit poussin who would you vote for if no one else had voted yet today?

I dunno tbh. in LP/DOlby/Dya prolly.

this is literally stolen from Dunya's tier list lmao

why are we here

Dya is ~fine

Spoiler: show

game is hard

drwilgy
tsp
jack
sig

no reason to townread them

tinfoil:
dya
LP
dolby



i actually think urist is town.


if scotty is town, i suck at mafia 2 games in a row.

Dunya as town never does this therefore Dunya is a wolf game over

Never does what?

Makes a bad reads list

This is an invalid statement given that it's Day 2 and we have no wolf flips.

Dunya’s readslist is that the wolves are

The two people pushing her (no evidence given)
The zero poster
And Wilgy


This does not inspire confidence

this is good and i like you more now

[TonyStarkPrime]

If LP flips mafia, the partners are TSP, Dyachei, Jacko

you're just daring me to hammer rn

You would need your partners to agree, they won't.

jack would definitely be down don't you know us

*Shrug* still you would have needed Dya too

not at l-2

[TonyStarkPrime]

dunya is self voting, we must punish this

[Marmot]

@Dolby I felt the same way about TSP for that post

[Dolby]

Rask you bragged like a year ago that you always catch me as a wolf

am I a wolf in your estimation

like firmly

like, try to put a read on me that's not null

[dunya]

dunya is self voting, we must punish this

i'm not upset, i know a bad day 1 from t!dunya survives till the end as a mischop.

i am doing it for town health.

[Dolby]

@Dolby I felt the same way about TSP for that post

nice

[NotAnAxehole]

2 more to hammer me!

One of the votes on you is me, so don't count on it I'm only voting you because LPP declared that their vote is tethered to you being under pressure & at risk of dying.

[Marmot]

Dolby you have like 3 more posts to escape the warrior and I'm rooting for you to do it because I think you're town.

[Dolby]

dunya is self voting, we must punish this

i'm not upset, i know a bad day 1 from t!dunya survives till the end as a mischop.

i am doing it for town health.

I don't believe this benefits thread or town health if you're town and it's the worst game to do it in to since someone can just poison you tonight if they want

[Dolby]

Dolby you have like 3 more posts to escape the warrior and I'm rooting for you to do it because I think you're town.

oh shit, I need to concentrate all of my power to get from Dolby (4) to Dolby (11)

[NotAnAxehole]

Actually, I've been sold on Dunya being less responsible for the Creature yeet for a while now, and think Dyachei is a better kill.

[Marmot]

Can we get rid of the wagons and continue talking? I feel like the pressure of hammers is having a huge influence on the game state, but I don't think it's gonna happen

[Dolby]

10/11th of the way to Dolby (11)

[dunya]

i also think dolby is town.

[Le petit poussin]

@hollowkatt well might as well start by that if you want: I don't get the TR on Dolby and Dya tbh. Maybe it's a meta thing or something. (have them as null at best)
I am assuming this is POE based btw (like I don't think DrW has been that wolfy). I just lowered Marmot myself too - I just read his case on the doc out of 3 posts made on 2 minutes; which seems badly manufactured - conveniently this comes when Dunya outed a SR on DrW too)

Ok, but go read Wilgy's followup and tell me if you think it's a bad case.

well this is a "could be" case. That's possible basically. But there is nothing leaning me to believe it is it actually. a story basically. so it's not a good case to me.
I am not sure what you mean with Wilgy's followup btw. Yesterday with Mac, or today with you?

Specifically this response where he told me he doesn't exhibit said behavior and I pulled an example of it.

DId he NK him right after?

No, but Wilgy was the Day 1 elim, so that part is moot.

well "cool story bro"

[Dolby]

I miscounted, this post should put me at Dolby (12)

[dunya]

dunya is self voting, we must punish this

i'm not upset, i know a bad day 1 from t!dunya survives till the end as a mischop.

i am doing it for town health.

I don't believe this benefits thread or town health if you're town and it's the worst game to do it in to since someone can just poison you tonight if they want

but i someone can unpoison me and fuck up with everything again!

[NotAnAxehole]

i also think dolby is town.

I tend to agree

[Le petit poussin]

voted LP again

[TonyStarkPrime]

Actually, I've been sold on Dunya being less responsible for the Creature yeet for a while now, and think Dyachei is a better kill.

let's do it

[dyachei]

someone tell me why NAA is town

because in the space of 10 minutes he's gone from not wanting to kill me to wanting to kill me as thread consensus has shifted that way

[dunya]

[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

[Marmot]

@hollowkatt well might as well start by that if you want: I don't get the TR on Dolby and Dya tbh. Maybe it's a meta thing or something. (have them as null at best)
I am assuming this is POE based btw (like I don't think DrW has been that wolfy). I just lowered Marmot myself too - I just read his case on the doc out of 3 posts made on 2 minutes; which seems badly manufactured - conveniently this comes when Dunya outed a SR on DrW too)

Ok, but go read Wilgy's followup and tell me if you think it's a bad case.

well this is a "could be" case. That's possible basically. But there is nothing leaning me to believe it is it actually. a story basically. so it's not a good case to me.
I am not sure what you mean with Wilgy's followup btw. Yesterday with Mac, or today with you?

Specifically this response where he told me he doesn't exhibit said behavior and I pulled an example of it.

DId he NK him right after?

No, but Wilgy was the Day 1 elim, so that part is moot.

well "cool story bro"

I'm asking you to weigh in on Wilgy's post, if you don't have an opinion, then fine, but the sass isn't necessary.

[TonyStarkPrime]

someone tell me why NAA is town

because in the space of 10 minutes he's gone from not wanting to kill me to wanting to kill me as thread consensus has shifted that way

and that's towny

[Dolby]

I'm not sure if I can solidly commit to Dunya being an alignment. I actually think that I have below 50% read accuracy on her but if you look at the level of obvtown that LP was in TF2 they need to die today. They aren't just not obvtown they are actively scummy. I don't think I even need to pull up quotes but I will if needed

I should probably read Jack's ISO as well, the difficulty in forming a strong wagon on him on D1 and D2 in congruence with the reads on him is not the best look

[NotAnAxehole]

someone tell me why NAA is town

because in the space of 10 minutes he's gone from not wanting to kill me to wanting to kill me as thread consensus has shifted that way

Thread concensus hasn't shifted that way. What?

Also, if it wasn't super mega obvious I want to kill your partner today.

[hollowkatt]

As the expert Jack reader he’s town move on

ok expert jack reader, why is jack town?

I said so

[VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

[Dolby]

someone tell me why NAA is town

because in the space of 10 minutes he's gone from not wanting to kill me to wanting to kill me as thread consensus has shifted that way

he derped

hard

I'm not even sure if TSP was saying it as a joke or not but he spent like 4 hours not realizing he could've used a second CP last night and I think it was genunine

[dyachei]

someone tell me why NAA is town

because in the space of 10 minutes he's gone from not wanting to kill me to wanting to kill me as thread consensus has shifted that way

and that's towny

are you high? because you sort of have to be to think that going with thread consensus to make reads is towny

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

[NotAnAxehole]

someone tell me why NAA is town

because in the space of 10 minutes he's gone from not wanting to kill me to wanting to kill me as thread consensus has shifted that way

and that's towny

Oh my god, how is it towny to give objectively untrue reads?

[TonyStarkPrime]

someone tell me why NAA is town

because in the space of 10 minutes he's gone from not wanting to kill me to wanting to kill me as thread consensus has shifted that way

and that's towny

are you high? because you sort of have to be to think that going with thread consensus to make reads is towny

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

high on adrenaline

[hollowkatt]

Hi Marmot! What are you thinking about the game?

You seem to be under the impression that I'm thinking.

ok... feelings, vibes, gut checks, throwing spitballs at a dart board, all of these are valid. but gimme something

I couldn't be around for the final 8 hours of Day 1, or the beginning of Day 2, so I missed a lot.


That said. My perspective


Syn has been one of the towniest players thus far. I think there is a chance that he and dunya are wolf teammates, because that is the only way that Syn could be a wolf with this level of activity in this game. But I think it's the latter, especially given that Syn has actually been considering wolf!dunya today.

I don't like all of the arguments for wolf!dunya, but I think there is enough evidence to point to it despite her influence in the thread. For example, her read on Creature Day 1 was wrong, but her attempt to self-correct based on that and to find the wolves has pointed to an unlikely (and probably convenient/lazy) POE as TSP pointed out.

I kinda want to elim dunya today because I think it would answer a lot of things for me. If dunya flips town, I think that would absolutely confirm Syn as town (it should confirm me as town, but I'll leave that to everyone else to figure out). It probably points to LP being mafia as a counterwagon, and as someone pushing who has been pushing dunya today (and also if dunya is mafia it might clear LP). Also, I would take her read on DrWilgy as accurate.


I don't have much to say about everyone else. I've forgotten a lot of my early reads and I'm trying to redevelop them.

I like this, thanks. marmot can be town for a while

[NotAnAxehole]

Oh, maybe I misread TSP's post.

[dunya]

someone tell me why NAA is town

because in the space of 10 minutes he's gone from not wanting to kill me to wanting to kill me as thread consensus has shifted that way

he derped

hard

I'm not even sure if TSP was saying it as a joke or not but he spent like 4 hours not realizing he could've used a second CP last night and I think it was genunine

i think NAA is town based on tone and no agendas in his reads, but pls don't ever derp clear him. him and urist are not allowed to be derp cleared.

[Marmot]

someone tell me why NAA is town

because in the space of 10 minutes he's gone from not wanting to kill me to wanting to kill me as thread consensus has shifted that way

he derped

hard

I'm not even sure if TSP was saying it as a joke or not but he spent like 4 hours not realizing he could've used a second CP last night and I think it was genunine

TSP spent 4 hours not realizing he could've used second CP? How do you know this? Did I miss a post?

[NotAnAxehole]

Dyachei lying through their teeth to justify a wagon on me is funny.

[Marmot]

(oh wait, you said NAA said it, but my question still stands, but it sounds like it was a post I missed)

[dunya]

@Marmot what happened to wanting to eliminate me today?

[Marmot]

I also don't think consensus has shifted towards dya, and that assertion is an exaggeration.

Has anyone but TSP or NAA expressed interet in elim'ing dya today?

[dyachei]

Dyachei lying through their teeth to justify a wagon on me is funny.

im not lying. you say dont kill me. then tsp and dolby i think talk about wolf reading me. suddenly you want to vote me

if we're elimming all liars, we start with you

[NotAnAxehole]

I am claiming full credit for disintegration of the Dunya wagon. You're welcome.

[dunya]

dya/NAA never w/w at least ;p

[Marmot]

@Marmot what happened to wanting to eliminate me today?

Your ate is working

[dyachei]

I also don't think consensus has shifted towards dya, and that assertion is an exaggeration.

Has anyone but TSP or NAA expressed interet in elim'ing dya today?

yes, dolby, rask, i think even dunya at one point

[Dolby]

(oh wait, you said NAA said it, but my question still stands, but it sounds like it was a post I missed)

yeah lemme find it