GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Creature]

I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.

Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

[alexa]

wtf ilario are you not seeing paopan's last posts as scummy?

[ilario]

Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?

[DrWilgy]

Are we implying there's no more soup kill?

Why?

[Creature]

Are we implying there's no more soup kill?

Why?

Nah, soup kill still wasn't used

[sabie12]

Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?

It was temporary just for the vig shot.

[Creature]

I'm afraid today will be worse than yesterday because we'll be wagoning the same player who we aren't even sure is flipping wolf and will just keep parroting "i am protective i am protective".

[Creature]

Wished I had more WIM to play today, but I think my day was ruined because I can't access the google docs file for my exam and I'll have little time tomorrow to finish up the exam if I recover the file.

[Creature]

I'll be secretly wishing falcon is hiding a red check so maybe halfway this dayphase we'll know another wolf.

[Creature]

It's still getting increasingly difficult for me to see any wolfteam that doesn't involve Sloonei and maybe DrWilgy. Perhaps Sloonei noticed that and that's why they have to push me here.

[Sloonei]

I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.

Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Maybe they did.

[Sloonei]

It's still getting increasingly difficult for me to see any wolfteam that doesn't involve Sloonei and maybe DrWilgy. Perhaps Sloonei noticed that and that's why they have to push me here.

Nah

[Sloonei]

Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?

It was temporary just for the vig shot.

Why didn’t you shoot paopan?

[Creature]

hollowkatt (16): Creature, sig, LinearPoint, Belzy, 112, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, Sloonei, dyachei, c4e5g3d5, falcon45ca, alexa, sabie12, Guillotine, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria
sig (11): Sloonei, Belzy, 112, Porscha, falcon45ca, alexa, sabie12, LinearPoint, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria, Justplayingitcool
112 (10): Sloonei, Porscha, hollowkatt, sig, TonyStarkPrime, alexa, dyachei, DrWilgy, Paopan, Guillotine
Guillotine (9): 112, Creature, Sloonei, Master Radishes, dyachei, Justplayingitcool, LinearPoint, ilario, DrWilgy
DrWilgy (8): TonyStarkPrime, c4e5g3d5, dyachei, hollowkatt, 112, sabie12, Paopan, LinearPoint
TonyStarkPrime (8): Paopan, Porscha, Belzy, Guillotine, Justplayingitcool, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Master Radishes
sabie12 (5): alexa, sig, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Phil and Gloria
c4e5g3d5 (4): Phil and Gloria, sig, TonyStarkPrime, Belzy

Hope I colored everything right

[Creature]

Perhaps wolves were really avoiding bussing here and that could point towards DrWilgy and sabie12 being town.

[sabie12]

I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.

Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?

It was temporary just for the vig shot.

Why didn’t you shoot paopan?

I was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.

[Creature]

Guillotine should contain wolves though?

[Sloonei]

I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.

Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?

It was temporary just for the vig shot.

Why didn’t you shoot paopan?

I was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.

Why would a roleblock deter you from attempting to shoot?

[Sloonei]

According to POE, 3 out of these 5 names are mafia. ISO work incoming.

Creature
DrWilgy
Justplayingitcool
Paopan
sabie12

[Sloonei]

According to POE, 3 out of these 5 names are mafia. ISO work incoming.

Creature
DrWilgy
Justplayingitcool
Paopan
sabie12

And if anyone has arguments for any of these folks to be town, please voice them. Such arguments certainly exist for each of them. We are at a point where clearing a single name can go a long way toward securing a victory.

[alexa]

I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.

Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?

It was temporary just for the vig shot.

Why didn’t you shoot paopan?

I was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.

Why would a roleblock deter you from attempting to shoot?

IDK. Sabie honestly was being extremely sketchy in this regard and it makes me nervous about her alignment. Like a huge convo in the neighborhood was "OK we are killing Mac/Paopan, let's shoot one then Sabie kills the other"

and she agrees etc etc etc


so her suddenly backtracking on that/holstering feels sketchy as fuck to me

[alexa]

I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.

Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?

It was temporary just for the vig shot.

Why didn’t you shoot paopan?

I was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.

yes but you talked about your worry over being RBed in the hood and you were still gonna shoot? BC V you should be very aware you could be souped before getting your next vig in? so you still waiting makes no sense to me whatsoever

[alexa]

[VOTE: SABIE12] aubergine


ok maybe this is stupid but this feels increasingly wtf to me

[sabie12]

I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.

Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?

It was temporary just for the vig shot.

Why didn’t you shoot paopan?

I was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.

yes but you talked about your worry over being RBed in the hood and you were still gonna shoot? BC V you should be very aware you could be souped before getting your next vig in? so you still waiting makes no sense to me whatsoever

I wasn't a hundred percent sure if I could trust you and belzy. I wanted to be sure the mac shot was a hit. Now that it was I'm more inclined to trust you and feel better about the paopan suspicon. I also felt bad about messing up my other shots and was erring on the side of caution. I never said I for sure was going to shoot paopan I said I was worried about being roleblocked and didn't want to shoot wrong.

[sabie12]

I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.

Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?

It was temporary just for the vig shot.

Why didn’t you shoot paopan?

I was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.

Why would a roleblock deter you from attempting to shoot?

Do role blocks not block shots if that's your role?

[alexa]

i don't get why you don't just say that, then? you said you were shooting pao, why not just say you're not sure if you want to shoot that night or not if you are wary of us? you said you trusted us both at one point


and me/belzy are obviously tired since i am clearing her

[Sloonei]

I wasn't a hundred percent sure if I could trust you and belzy.

Alexa and Belzy have been two of the most confirmed town players in the game for a while now. Where did this distrust stem from? Are you aware of the mechanical information around them?

[Creature]

Still hoping this game ends soon. Might take at least until tomorrow to get a town win though.

[alexa]

@Belzy how do you feel ab this

[alexa]

i don't get why you don't just say that, then? you said you were shooting pao, why not just say you're not sure if you want to shoot that night or not if you are wary of us? you said you trusted us both at one point


and me/belzy are obviously tired since i am clearing her

tied* together

but also i am Tired

[Sloonei]

I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.

Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?

It was temporary just for the vig shot.

Why didn’t you shoot paopan?

I was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.

Why would a roleblock deter you from attempting to shoot?

Do role blocks not block shots if that's your role?

I think it varies from host to host/game to game. I don't know how nook would rule on it. I vaguely recall somebody claiming a roleblock with a refund earlier in the game, though.

[Creature]

I hate living this long

[sabie12]

I wasn't a hundred percent sure if I could trust you and belzy.

Alexa and Belzy have been two of the most confirmed town players in the game for a while now. Where did this distrust stem from? Are you aware of the mechanical information around them?

I don't know I just have been wrong a few times this game and wanted to proceed with caution.

[alexa]

I wasn't a hundred percent sure if I could trust you and belzy.

Alexa and Belzy have been two of the most confirmed town players in the game for a while now. Where did this distrust stem from? Are you aware of the mechanical information around them?

I don't know I just have been wrong a few times this game and wanted to proceed with caution.

yeah but you were literally like

"okay cool i am in a chat with people and have support now"

so that was like the DEFINITION OF CAUTION? you had us both supporting the paopan shot and talking about it????

lmao so like wth

[falcon45ca]

I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.

Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?

It was temporary just for the vig shot.

Why didn’t you shoot paopan?

I was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.

Why would a roleblock deter you from attempting to shoot?

IDK. Sabie honestly was being extremely sketchy in this regard and it makes me nervous about her alignment. Like a huge convo in the neighborhood was "OK we are killing Mac/Paopan, let's shoot one then Sabie kills the other"

and she agrees etc etc etc


so her suddenly backtracking on that/holstering feels sketchy as fuck to me

Was Sabie sketchy in the chat? What was she like?

[sabie12]

Sorry after messing up a couple times I got nervous and overthought everything. That's all I got. You can think I'm scummy for that or whatever but that's where I'm at. This game has been a tough one and I worried about making things worse. I'm trying not to make things worse or upset people.

[sabie12]

I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.

Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?

It was temporary just for the vig shot.

Why didn’t you shoot paopan?

I was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.

Why would a roleblock deter you from attempting to shoot?

IDK. Sabie honestly was being extremely sketchy in this regard and it makes me nervous about her alignment. Like a huge convo in the neighborhood was "OK we are killing Mac/Paopan, let's shoot one then Sabie kills the other"

and she agrees etc etc etc


so her suddenly backtracking on that/holstering feels sketchy as fuck to me

Was Sabie sketchy in the chat? What was she like?

I wanted to have a discussion before we made our official decision because I didn't want to mess up again.

[Sloonei]

Sorry after messing up a couple times I got nervous and overthought everything. That's all I got. You can think I'm scummy for that or whatever but that's where I'm at. This game has been a tough one and I worried about making things worse. I'm trying not to make things worse or upset people.

It's alright. Let's just focus on catching the remaining bad guys. If we are on the right track, three out of these five names are the remaining mafia team. Who do you trust the most among these names? Who do you trust the least?

Creature
DrWilgy
Justplayingitcool
Paopan
Sloonei

[Sloonei]

Why did I start my ISO exercise with Creature and Mac?

[LinearPoint]

Why did I start my ISO exercise with Creature and Mac?

Because you hate yourself?

[Sloonei]

(it's actually because macyo is the most recent flip and creature was first alphabetically in the POE)

[sabie12]

Sorry after messing up a couple times I got nervous and overthought everything. That's all I got. You can think I'm scummy for that or whatever but that's where I'm at. This game has been a tough one and I worried about making things worse. I'm trying not to make things worse or upset people.

It's alright. Let's just focus on catching the remaining bad guys. If we are on the right track, three out of these five names are the remaining mafia team. Who do you trust the most among these names? Who do you trust the least?

Creature
DrWilgy
Justplayingitcool
Paopan
Sloonei

I feel I need to step away from the game for a little bit and come back to it. I apologize if I've upset anyone I did not mean to. I'll come back later and put together my thoughts on the remaining people.

[Sloonei]

imo I'd narrow it down to

Belzy
DrWilgy
Phil and Gloria
Porscha
Sloonei

Hopefully four wolves here

Belzy and Porscha would be always together so the team would have to be Belzy + Porscha + 2 of {DrWilgy, Phil and Gloria, Sloonei} + TonyStarkPrime (outed)

imo I'd narrow it down to

Belzy
DrWilgy
Phil and Gloria
Porscha
Sloonei

Hopefully four wolves here

if belzy/porscha are wolves then typing themselves together day 1 is extremely dumb

Whatever

Then DrWilgy + Phil and Gloria + Sloonei + someone I'm misclearing (maybe Paopan? Or one of dyachei/ilario?)?

Creature's initial POE pool included Belzy and Porscha and excluded names like Sabie, Paopan, and JPIC. When he was met with resistance on the Belzy/Porscha suspicion, he pivoted to "maybe paopan" or "one of dyachei/ilario". I am curious about this whole development.

Why were Belzy and Porscha less clear than Paopan? Why is sabie's claim accepted as town? How did JPIC become cleared?

[LinearPoint]

imo I'd narrow it down to

Belzy
DrWilgy
Phil and Gloria
Porscha
Sloonei

Hopefully four wolves here

Belzy and Porscha would be always together so the team would have to be Belzy + Porscha + 2 of {DrWilgy, Phil and Gloria, Sloonei} + TonyStarkPrime (outed)

imo I'd narrow it down to

Belzy
DrWilgy
Phil and Gloria
Porscha
Sloonei

Hopefully four wolves here

if belzy/porscha are wolves then typing themselves together day 1 is extremely dumb

Whatever

Then DrWilgy + Phil and Gloria + Sloonei + someone I'm misclearing (maybe Paopan? Or one of dyachei/ilario?)?

Creature's initial POE pool included Belzy and Porscha and excluded names like Sabie, Paopan, and JPIC. When he was met with resistance on the Belzy/Porscha suspicion, he pivoted to "maybe paopan" or "one of dyachei/ilario". I am curious about this whole development.

Why were Belzy and Porscha less clear than Paopan? Why is sabie's claim accepted as town? How did JPIC become cleared?

Was that before or after Alexa outed them as Masons?

[Sloonei]

Alexa's claim was at #8664. Creature's first post there was #8418 and redacted at 8452. So it was all before alexa's claim.

But my point is more that Porscha and Belzy have been linked together by their own claimed mechanical linkage for several days now. Creature was pushing a POE that included them over Paopan and sabie, which is at odds with the general consensus.

This relates to broader thoughts I have about how the mafia team might have responded to circumstances on Day 3. I would like to review the progression of the early parts of that phase as well.

[Sloonei]

Creature and Mac progressed pretty similarly with regards to one another.

Days 1 & 2 they were all buddy-buddy and passed each other off as easy, uncritical townreads. Select examples:
Mac on Creature

Spoiler: show

Creature and hk being in this list feels silly. I'm also increasingly thinking TSP's town.

Why is that silly? I should look into HK though. My list is instinct, and it probably works way better than overthinking.

I just think they're both obvious town

Creature is

Creature on Mac

Spoiler: show

Do we just lynch Marmot?

sell me

idk

Thought they seemed wolfy and Mac is voting them

i don't know why but sloonei's posts are really resonating with me right now. it's like he's in my head.

Nutella maf
P&g maf
Radishes t

wish to point out that sloonei is mafia

I can see it

Later on they started to toss general, often vague suspicion at each other. Creature was a bit earlier to this step than Mac, to be fair.

Mac on Creature

Spoiler: show

so if tsp flips mafia Creature is an outed wolf that's nice to know

I have a PoE I came up with after a few isos and all, but I forgot to write it down.

I swear if you try and put me in the poe

I did try tbh. It didn't work.

Putting me in the poe is bad logic. I have done nothing to influence the game to get to this point. The mafia are in alexa, Creature, ilario et al imo.

I think Creature is mafia.

I am starting to think Ilario and Creature are mafia together. Their play reminds me a great deal of how zeus and ilario played in tandem in boomer mafia. Ilario ignoring Creature pushing town after town and giving him no shit at all is problematic.

Creature on Mac

Spoiler: show

Maybe Mac is indeed wolfing?

Still paranoid Phil and Gloria might be wolf here but they're like the only slot that feels like is casting light into the darkness

Still feels like we're dealing with an above-average skilled wolfteam and that'd point out to players like nutella, alexa and even possibly dyachei

Nutella is pretty polarised imo. And I really don't think Dya shoots a teammate tbh. And Alexa is town, so no?

So it's Phil and Gloria playing with my paranoia?

Notably, Mac does not really start to move against Creature until Day 3, when TSP was being steamrolled and Mac was gaining momentum as the second suspect behind him. I would expect some level of distancing at this stage.

I also want to call attention to one particular sequence from Creature's ISO:

We'll probably have Phil abd Gloria as wolf here, right?

If Phil and Gloria happen to be wolf I won't be surprised

It's gonna be Sloonei + Phil and Gloria, right?

These posts occur over an ~8 hour span. They are the only substantive mentions of Mac/Sprit in that span. I get that it's not Creature's style to exceed two sentences per post, but these posts with no added thought behind them, no force, just makes it ring out like a hollow push. He is saying the name(s) "Phil and Gloria" often in association with suspicion, but I am not seeing anything else to this.

[Porscha]

Okay t for me:
Falcon
Alexa
Belzy
Porscha
Maybe LP

Otherwise I'm still sus on creature and skeptically pao since I suck at reading pao
I was nervous about the sabie alarms but they made what I felt was a pretty sincere response so idk maybe still a 3p or wolf between the 3 vigis of dya, ilario, and sabie
Wilgy I feel could be mafia but I think I'd need to iso him and I know im not doing that tonight
JPIC flying under the radar imo idk what to think about them

[Sloonei]

I request thoughts on this interactions, please and thanks:

Mac is creating doomsday narratives that don't exist.

yes

There is no world in which you can do anything but town read me that don't out you and you know it. Final warning.

The good thing is that if TSP is mafia, I do not believe you are partnered with him.

So if you believe Falcon why are you so prone to emphasising bad points about me being mafia every single time someone vocalises one?

[Sloonei]

I have been reading things in silence. My confidence has increased from a 5 to a 6. But I don't feel like saying anything yet.

[Sloonei]

Well not complete silence. Obviously I said all those things up there.