GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Phil and Gloria]

why are people considering dizzy scummy? i'm still in process of rring but i do not see this at all and historically i have a very good read on them, if that matters

I'm thinking because they were defending marmot who flipped mafia. I don't know if that's a norm for them though to defend a teammate like that.

I know Dizzy doesn't like bussing teammates, especially early on

This was the one notable thing from falcon about dizzy stating that he doesn't like to bus teammates early on.

yeah that's pretty dirty

[Phil and Gloria]

also im the only one voting falcon which means they are outed

[LinearPoint]

Honestly 2 Mafia on Ender at EoD when Ender had 3 votes isn't super likely so JPIC and Falcon are a bit more town off of that.

[Master Radishes]

Radishes are you wolfin

wilgy and MR might be wolfing

112
Creature
DrWilgy
hollowkatt
LinearPoint
sabie12
sig
TonyStarkPrime

Boom. If there's not wolf in here I quit mafia forever. Probably.

Radish, are you actually a wolf?

Tell me that's not opportunistic from Dizzy.


I didn't say this last night because I knew people would just go 'omgus' or whatever, but I felt pinged by this sequence last night and felt convinced at least one scummy was helping nudge it. I feel I have been in no way scummy enough to merit a sudden rush of shade like that at SoD, especially not from JPIC/Dizzy who have both towncored with me in the past and should be able to sense town!me.

This may be a good look for JPIC, although equally it's not like his statement came out of nowhere in the context of D1 (Dya mainly, but also a few other comments, had put me into the outer PoE at least already).

[Master Radishes]

also im the only one voting falcon which means they are outed

I don't hate many of his posts but equally he's fairly confidently calling me town when others aren't so he's probably pocketing me like the last time he was scum and I was town.

[ilario]

OK but like 112, radish, ilario, JPIC, and Dizzy aren't even like prominently susy people.

I think Ilario / 112 are good players and have been subdued, JPIC and Radish need motivation, Dizzy was a wagon most of yesterday and game state read

In what way was I subdued? And why is that AI for me?

[Master Radishes]

And actually not hating Falcon's posts might be a bad sign too, seeing as I've misread him (thought him scummy when he was town) for like three or four games in a row.

[ilario]

Radishes are you wolfin

wilgy and MR might be wolfing

112
Creature
DrWilgy
hollowkatt
LinearPoint
sabie12
sig
TonyStarkPrime

Boom. If there's not wolf in here I quit mafia forever. Probably.

Radish, are you actually a wolf?

Tell me that's not opportunistic from Dizzy.


I didn't say this last night because I knew people would just go 'omgus' or whatever, but I felt pinged by this sequence last night and felt convinced at least one scummy was helping nudge it. I feel I have been in no way scummy enough to merit a sudden rush of shade like that at SoD, especially not from JPIC/Dizzy who have both towncored with me in the past and should be able to sense town!me.

This may be a good look for JPIC, although equally it's not like his statement came out of nowhere in the context of D1 (Dya mainly, but also a few other comments, had put me into the outer PoE at least already).

You should read my posts lol

[Master Radishes]

I've not caught up yet ilario, just remembered that sequence and wanted to shake my fist at it.

Everyone always likes to be like 'mafia are definitely on me right now!' but like...they were, here. So nyah.

[ilario]

I already quoted that sequence for you..

[Sloonei]

also im the only one voting falcon which means they are outed

I don't hate many of his posts but equally he's fairly confidently calling me town when others aren't so he's probably pocketing me like the last time he was scum and I was town.

He started out calling you mafia early on Day 1 before dramatically changing his tune. What does that say about him?

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine
4/8

[Master Radishes]

I already quoted that sequence for you..

Yeah I checked and see that now.

[Master Radishes]

also im the only one voting falcon which means they are outed

I don't hate many of his posts but equally he's fairly confidently calling me town when others aren't so he's probably pocketing me like the last time he was scum and I was town.

He started out calling you mafia early on Day 1 before dramatically changing his tune. What does that say about him?

No idea.

[ilario]

Is the ilario sus just that Mafia may have hand picked ilario? That can be said about a lot of people.

ilario has been harder for me to find as town than he normally is
ilario hasn't tried as hard as he normally does to convince others of his townreads and has needed prompting to do so
The main reason I have to townread ilario is him acting like he has a big dick in that argument he got in with Mac and that can only go so far

First point I can see
Second is variable between games

[LinearPoint]

So just looked over HK's posts and their votes on the list seem a bit random.
They never commented on Dizzy outside of calling Dizzy town and moving on, yet votted them SOD.
They also silently voted radish with no explination despite saying they didn't want to chop radish D1.

[ilario]

Creature has mostly stood to the side shaking their head at us and commenting on how bad things are going.

In a vacuum that's scummy, but it seems lots of people have meta and I do not.

welcome to playing with creature

he loves to catastrophize

thoughts on nutella?

think the way nutella is flitting from thought to thought and read to read is more in her villager meta than wolf meta. I think she'd be...tunnelier? as a wolf

Still feels like we're dealing with an above-average skilled wolfteam and that'd point out to players like nutella, alexa and even possibly dyachei

dya is far more in wolf range than either alexa or me

actually

@dyachei why did you decide to shoot marmot? i don't see any mention of him in your ISO prior to that

i'd think the shot is clearing, why TF does mafia shoot a buddy day 1 otherwise?

I saw he was a top wagon and I read his iso. it was limp af

I don’t get this post. Doesn’t Nutella tunnel as town too?

[LinearPoint]

Mac also might just be scum claiming with saying Neeko looks like town but voting Neeko because Urist voted Neeko D1.

Like these quotes aren't even that good.

I am not sure I've seen a wolf as obvious as linearpoint in my life

Mac, have you landed your reads yet?

I see town potential in LP, and I'd really like to know what Urist and Mac are seeing there as "outed".

[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

The first isn't even addressing Neeko in any way and just asking Mac for more reads.
The second is also just you basically restating your sheeping of Urist. If anything this looks like Dizzy trying to distance by not having the same reads as you.

[ilario]

Is belzy a good wolf?

[ilario]

If belzy lives to late game they deserve more scrutiny

Their push on dizzy was good but my problem is I can’t remember a single read of theirs outside of dizzy

Maybe that’s a me not being more present problem though

[ilario]

Actually nah fk it imma just leave Betsy as town

[ilario]

Until further notice Atleast

[Sloonei]

In my youth, I would have had my nose buried in ISOs right now. We have two flipped mafiosos right now. Their posts should prove illuminating if we turn them over. So too should posts about them. All of these highly highly juicy posts are just sitting back there on the earlier pages of this thread.

I'm too feeble and old to take up this monumental task on my own. But if anybody out there is looking for avenues to contribute to this game, I strongly encourage you to take this approach.

[ilario]

personally I am also willing to sus wilgy since the one game I played with them I had a confident read that was correct and I like to believe I can read them coherently. last game all wilgy did was shit post with emojis and until he started getting grilled for it and voted for it, he wouldn't let up on the shit posting. kinda feel like he's just shit posting again and won't be willing to interact strongly unless pushed upon

I've been interacting since day started. Where are you?

Sorry by "interacting strongly" I meant having takes that contribute. I feel like most of your posts have little substance and reminds me a bit of that no role game we played recently where you shit posted until you were in danger of being voted off for it

I think my takes are quite fine. I've found two scum and are looking for more. What would you expect from me otherwise?

Who was the second?

[ilario]

i felt like ilario's push on guillo start of game was towny for him. because we both just got fooled by guillo, and usually when he's a villager he will scrutinize people after getting fooled by them so it felt like lacking TMI.

Wdym by lacking tmi?

I know this is hard to prove but i did sr guillo before I died if u remember the post I made about him not wilding out that was my own way of saying I was flipping again and I opened the game with a tunnel on him last game which is kinda why I pushed him again this game since his start felt very similar to me

[sabie12]

Honestly 2 Mafia on Ender at EoD when Ender had 3 votes isn't super likely so JPIC and Falcon are a bit more town off of that.

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. Ender had more votes on him but then people switched. Mafia probably didn't kill ender so they weren't planning on him flipping town today. Like they may have been setting up to mischop. Not all the mafia would want to be seen voting seanzie. Is it likely all 3 are Mafia? No but I wouldn't say it fully town clears either falcon or jpic.

[sabie12]

I need to sleep. Night all!

[ilario]

Reading back I was kinda uncharitable to alexa when I expected her to have me as a v read, I suppose it’s not unreasonable for her to have been wary

[ilario]

Can 112 be town for that hmm

He’s town regardless imo

[ilario]

@Belzy is porcha 100% confirmed town to you no matter what? I still think every post they made in reference to me and Alexa was just hot garbage and not designed in any way to solve me

[Guillotine]

wait guillo claimed vig, @Guillotine do you claim one of the shots?

Hi! I have read absolutely nothing since last night and no, I didn't shoot anyone.

[Guillotine]

A shot rings out!

@Dyslexicon has died! They flip MAFIA! They reveal as:

Palantir

At night, target any player to learn their role, OR target yourself to learn two random roles that are present in the setup. You may only do this once per game.

Spoiler: show

@ 112
@ alexa
@ Belzy
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ Dyslexicon
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ LinearPoint
@ Master Radishes
@ nutella
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime

Day continues!

If this guy was mafia, then one of Nutella/Alexa is mafia as Dizzy discredited my read on that pair.

[Guillotine]

list arranged by tier with highest in a given tier being towniest of that group. notes provided on some but not all players.

Lock town, never look back:
112

Town read:
Belzy - my highest townread; albeit i have reservations even here i think this is a pretty solidly town slot: insights are original, seems to have conviction in stated reads and is approaching the game in a very problem-solvey way indicative of village alignment
Seanzie - i was wrong
ilario - similar to Belzy.,. also has many times throughout the game submitted several posts in succession, sometimes carrying a chain of thought--something wolves are less likely to do or otherwise tend to have trouble doing. substantive contributions.
c4 - here because people are talking about him like he's lock town and i don't have any reason to really scumread him

town lean:
nutella
alexa - people say she's a strong wolf, i think probably still town. i will, however, keep my eyes peeled
hallowkat - less sure than i was upon initial gut because i've seen some shade thrown his way and i seem to be influenced by it to a degree but still reasonably confident here
falcon - i'm not sure, but he's my strongest read from the CDC crew still in the game. has been trending up in play over the past year or two- not convinced this is his scum game, though
LinearPoint - if there's a read i'm going to get bit on it's this one, - roleplaying plays on my psychology, - but probs town

neutral
Paopan - don't like the slot enough to bump it up yet but not much negative to say here at present
Master R. - i liked the first things i read from him but have gotten some bad vibes here-and-there. he townleaned(read?) me but then retracted when i decided to add too much to a post and he didn't like it. i'll admit it was kind of a silly add-on from me at the time, but i'm not sure he'd be so antsy about it unless he was trying to gain towncred as a wolf? gun-to-my-head town at this point but i'm going to be sussing the slot out hard over the next while
Alison
dyachei
Creature - i liked him at first and do admit he was sharing thoughts early-game that i was having without me even expressing them. seems to be really conservative though and i'm not a huge fan
Phil and Gloria - trending up, trending down, lost in the abyss of 112's reads rn

maf lean:
sabie12 - not much to say here as her post quantity is rather low, which i don't want to criticize her for. but there's stuff i don't like in what is a small sample
EnderWiggin - i'm thinking he may have been caught and just doubled-down with the openwolfing in an attempt to get out of yeet candidacy?
Guillotine

mafia lean but also read:
Dizzy and Bo

null/haven't seen enough or anything of
urist
axe!
Wilgy, MD
Justplayingitcool
sig
Porscha
sloon
TonyStarkPrime

too many nulls but honestly i haven't been able to catch the posters listed there enough

where i'm at, hope it sparks someone's wandering genius

Why am I mafia? Why is Dizzy mafia? Why is falcon town?

This is like Gullio's only comment on Dizzy that wasn't just banter that Neeko found.

I haven't really have time to play that wall post seemed very hedgey to me when I read it.

[Guillotine]

i felt like ilario's push on guillo start of game was towny for him. because we both just got fooled by guillo, and usually when he's a villager he will scrutinize people after getting fooled by them so it felt like lacking TMI.

Wdym by lacking tmi?

I know this is hard to prove but i did sr guillo before I died if u remember the post I made about him not wilding out that was my own way of saying I was flipping again and I opened the game with a tunnel on him last game which is kinda why I pushed him again this game since his start felt very similar to me

Nah, you died pocketed.

[Guillotine]

Is anyone mech clear? anything I should know? I don't wanna read 40 pages to try to catch up again, please no. Give me a summary please.

[Guillotine]

what the hell is going on with the poll? the are multiple people voting for more than one player.

[ilario]

Honestly don’t think wilgy mr and hk should be top wagons

I’ll try consolidate something more useful by eod

[Sloonei]

Multiple Elimination Day

Special special, read all about it! (Seriously, READ THIS, it’s very important!)

Today will be a MULTIPLE ELIMINATION DAY. Today will be 72 hours instead of the normal 48. In the first 36 hours of the day, you will vote for EIGHT players. In the second half of the day, the vote count will reset and you will determine FOUR out of those eight to kill via vote. Every player will be allowed to place votes on up to eight players in the first half of the day, and up to four in the second half (you may not stack votes–ie you can only place one vote on one player, you can’t put all eight on the same person. You are not required to vote for the maximum amount of people).[/i]

The day action deadline is February 3, 4pm Eastern. The halfway point of today is February 2, 6am Eastern. Day will end February 3 6pm Eastern.

[Guillotine]

I think those voting me are looking for a mischop, I should be shot instead, I'm a screamer. Clear yourselves.

[Sloonei]

i quoted that for @Guillotine's sake

[Belzy]

A shot rings out!

@Dyslexicon has died! They flip MAFIA! They reveal as:

Palantir

At night, target any player to learn their role, OR target yourself to learn two random roles that are present in the setup. You may only do this once per game.

Spoiler: show

@ 112
@ alexa
@ Belzy
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ Dyslexicon
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ LinearPoint
@ Master Radishes
@ nutella
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime

Day continues!

Woot

[Guillotine]

Multiple Elimination Day

Special special, read all about it! (Seriously, READ THIS, it’s very important!)

Today will be a MULTIPLE ELIMINATION DAY. Today will be 72 hours instead of the normal 48. In the first 36 hours of the day, you will vote for EIGHT players. In the second half of the day, the vote count will reset and you will determine FOUR out of those eight to kill via vote. Every player will be allowed to place votes on up to eight players in the first half of the day, and up to four in the second half (you may not stack votes–ie you can only place one vote on one player, you can’t put all eight on the same person. You are not required to vote for the maximum amount of people).[/i]

The day action deadline is February 3, 4pm Eastern. The halfway point of today is February 2, 6am Eastern. Day will end February 3 6pm Eastern.

Oh nice. So i can vote based on my day 1 reads then? Cool!

A quick question, does anyone know if the Captain flips as "Mafia Captain" or something, or that part will always remain hidden?

[Belzy]

A shot rings out!

@Dyslexicon has died! They flip MAFIA! They reveal as:

Palantir

At night, target any player to learn their role, OR target yourself to learn two random roles that are present in the setup. You may only do this once per game.

Spoiler: show

@ 112
@ alexa
@ Belzy
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ Dyslexicon
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ LinearPoint
@ Master Radishes
@ nutella
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime

Day continues!

this is my shot

I love you

[Sloonei]

I've developed actual moderate suspicions of both c4 and linearpoint tonight, but I don't they are not especially solid reads. But these are the first somewhat substantive reads I've had in the game, so that's nice. I talked a little bit about c4 earlier. I'm not quite ready to talk about my Linear read yet. Articulation is still in development.
I promised @dyachei I'd tag them when this happened.

[ilario]

A shot rings out!

@Dyslexicon has died! They flip MAFIA! They reveal as:

Palantir

At night, target any player to learn their role, OR target yourself to learn two random roles that are present in the setup. You may only do this once per game.

Spoiler: show

@ 112
@ alexa
@ Belzy
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ Dyslexicon
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ LinearPoint
@ Master Radishes
@ nutella
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime

Day continues!

Is this a role scum would pick? Second part of it is useless for scum if they chose roles over players but first part is a free kp with the soup mech so ig that’s pretty useful

[Sloonei]

First part of that role would be hella useful for a mafia team with a soup kill. I'd assume they already spent the shot night 1.

[ilario]

Just gonna snapshot this for referense before people unvote.
Dizzy (6) ilario, Belzy, Phil and Gloria, hollowkatt, nutella, Creature

This is kinda towny I think since he’s helping out 5 of my townreads

[Guillotine]

vote: alexa

nahhhh, dw dizzy snowed me too with the emotional stuff first time we played. theyre a great wolf.

guillo might have had some w/w interactions with dizzy btw

/vote guillo

Huh? Ive barely played the game but Dizzy shaded my push on Nutella/Alexa, look there.

[Guillotine]

First part of that role would be hella useful for a mafia team with a soup kill. I'd assume they already spent the shot night 1.

Take this from a host that runs set ups with soup kills, role info from investigations are not soup-able then again, I never thought Nanook would write a role that forced someone to fake claim to get actions.

[Guillotine]

@illario, why did you shoot Dizzy?