Coffia (Coffee Mafia) [END]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm so freaking good sometimes my god

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

That red flip was my Christmas present to you all

[Lime Coke]

Town:
Alexa
Nanook
Dizzy
SPF
Mac
Alison

Nanook and Mac look good forcing the wagon onto Wilgy, Alexa lock town per usual, and SPF and Alison are town based on how they were posting during Day 1.

I'll expand later when I get time.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Town:
Alexa
Nanook
Dizzy
SPF
Mac
Alison

Nanook and Mac look good forcing the wagon onto Wilgy, Alexa lock town per usual, and SPF and Alison are town based on how they were posting during Day 1.

I'll expand later when I get time.

Alison should not be in the town pile lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like I'm not particularly scumreading her but she claimed the nest read on wilgy in thread, town read him, and he flipped red

That doesn't make her scum by itself but it does mean she doesn't get to be in the town pile based on tone alone

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like I'm not particularly scumreading her but she claimed the nest read on wilgy in thread, town read him, and he flipped red

That doesn't make her scum by itself but it does mean she doesn't get to be in the town pile based on tone alone

*best

[MacDougall]

when I skimmed overnight I got a lot of confident solves out of wilgy's iso so this will be a fun day

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also fwiw I dont think mac is particularly unaligned with wilgy

[alexa]

Very hype about the flip and plan to spend time on Wilgy iso/checking why illario got killed, unfortunately very busy with Christmas Eve stuff so will have to wait until tomorrow

Gth very similar reads to yesterday

Merry Christmas!

[MacDougall]

Like I'm not particularly scumreading her but she claimed the nest read on wilgy in thread, town read him, and he flipped red

That doesn't make her scum by itself but it does mean she doesn't get to be in the town pile based on tone alone

let's not forget I had a cosmic teamsolve with esooa and fingersplints being wilgy partners ... I say we just flip em

[alexa]

when I skimmed overnight I got a lot of confident solves out of wilgy's iso so this will be a fun day

Do share pls

[falcon45ca]

I did not expect that death at all.

He was reasonably townread, I'm not surprised

[MacDougall]

Also fwiw I dont think mac is particularly unaligned with wilgy

let's just put that bs aside right now

[MacDougall]

when I skimmed overnight I got a lot of confident solves out of wilgy's iso so this will be a fun day

Do share pls

no rush

[alexa]

I was expecting a death in the trio of me/illario/LC or maybe Nook yeah

[Lime Coke]

Like I'm not particularly scumreading her but she claimed the nest read on wilgy in thread, town read him, and he flipped red

That doesn't make her scum by itself but it does mean she doesn't get to be in the town pile based on tone alone

I was mostly looking at her other reads such as the one she had on SPF talking about how she doesn't fake anger as mafia that looked fine, she had one discussing how Alexa was town for how she was interacting with SPF.

I get why you wouldn't want her in the town pile, and she's at the bottom for a reason.

[MacDougall]

dyslexicon is spewed town here imo

I also think Alison is

[MacDougall]

also think gira and falcon are town

goes without saying nanook, Lime Coke are town

alexa is just an f3 tinfoil

it's literally just esooa and fingersplints

[alexa]

Lol I should be sleeping but ended up beginning a skim of Wilgy ISO out of curiosity. Yeah I agree dizzy is spewed town. His approach to dizzy felt similar to approach to me

[VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

[MacDougall]

gira... wilgy townread them in a non teammy way
Alison... wilgy made a read on I think ilario that he spewed Alison town in the process of
nook... buried wilgy and doesn't usually bus but more importantly wilgy tried to pocket him in response
Lime Coke... the most spewed
falcon... was voting me when wilgy early on in a 2 person wagon with wilgy
alexa... wilgy tried to get her chopped

[staypositivefriend]

well, that was one of the worst d1s ive had in a while lol

[staypositivefriend]

i wont be able to post much tonight but ill have some time to post/look into the spew tomorrow. nanook is my strongest townread followed by lime coke followed by alexa but i havent sorted my thoughts out all that much beyond that

[staypositivefriend]

i wont be able to post much tonight but ill have some time to post/look into the spew tomorrow. nanook is my strongest townread followed by lime coke followed by alexa but i havent sorted my thoughts out all that much beyond that

actually lime coke is my strongest townread in terms of actual confidence about his alignment, but i think nanook has been ~objectively~ townier lol

[Lime Coke]

i wont be able to post much tonight but ill have some time to post/look into the spew tomorrow. nanook is my strongest townread followed by lime coke followed by alexa but i havent sorted my thoughts out all that much beyond that

actually lime coke is my strongest townread in terms of actual confidence about his alignment, but i think nanook has been ~objectively~ townier lol

Blasphemy

[staypositivefriend]

@ilario where would you personally go/why?

I’m ngl I feel like everyone’s had towny moments but I struggle so much to understand finger/giras world views that I personally would go there because even if they’re town I struggle to see us being able to find each other any time soon since the reasons they both seem to be pushing on myself and you are so hard to counter because the basis of the arguments is very flawed.

In a world where wilgy is actually scum nooook and Alexa look great off the flip

closest thing i can find to a readslist in ilario's ISO

[MacDougall]

oh yeh spf can be mafia instead of esooa or splints I guess

[staypositivefriend]

i should clearly never be partnered with wilgy based on how d1 played out but alright

[MacDougall]

i should clearly never be partnered with wilgy based on how d1 played out but alright

whys that

[alexa]

I had a not W/W thing on SPF/Wilgy before I need to check how strongly it holds but it was A Thing

[staypositivefriend]

i should clearly never be partnered with wilgy based on how d1 played out but alright

whys that

because i was egregiously incorrect about him in a way that i doubt i would ever let myself be as a wolf

also i think that wilgy was clearly trying to pocket me by townreading me out of nowhere once i had softened on him and started calling him town (like in posts like these: viewtopic.php?p=882492#p882492)

[alexa]

i should clearly never be partnered with wilgy based on how d1 played out but alright

whys that

She had a weird townread on him based on incorrect meta and I felt like as W/W she would uh... check that. Guess someone like SPF could fake that so I want to double check it tomorrow but at the time it felt not W/W to me and I was thinking Wilgy W

[alexa]

By incorrect meta I mean she was townreading him based on a game she thought he was mafia in for being different this game and he was town there lol

[staypositivefriend]

I think we should abandon all other premise and just murder ilario.

I disagree. I think Ilario is one of my greenest reads.

Really?? Why?

Because your entry & agreement with Alison gave me towny vibes and you haven't done anything that I wouldn't read from a town voice? Plus my early scum read voted you so...

kk that makes sense

who else is in ur town pile atm?

Would say that the greener people are you, LC, and Alison. Slight town lean on Esooa, slight town lean on Mac.

Wolf leans are Alexa, Dizzy, SPF.

[MacDougall]

i should clearly never be partnered with wilgy based on how d1 played out but alright

whys that

She had a weird townread on him based on incorrect meta and I felt like as W/W she would uh... check that. Guess someone like SPF could fake that so I want to double check it tomorrow but at the time it felt not W/W to me and I was thinking Wilgy W

fake meta townreads on wolf teammates is a very common wolf tactic

[MacDougall]

i should clearly never be partnered with wilgy based on how d1 played out but alright

whys that

because i was egregiously incorrect about him in a way that i doubt i would ever let myself be as a wolf

also i think that wilgy was clearly trying to pocket me by townreading me out of nowhere once i had softened on him and started calling him town (like in posts like these: viewtopic.php?p=882492#p882492)

I can accept this for as long as killing fingersplints and esooa results in pelts lol

[alexa]

i should clearly never be partnered with wilgy based on how d1 played out but alright

whys that

She had a weird townread on him based on incorrect meta and I felt like as W/W she would uh... check that. Guess someone like SPF could fake that so I want to double check it tomorrow but at the time it felt not W/W to me and I was thinking Wilgy W

fake meta townreads on wolf teammates is a very common wolf tactic

I agree but it was the fact that she linked a game to call him town for, for being different than his scum meta, and in the game she linked he was town, that just felt too dopey to be W/W

[Lime Coke]

Hold on...

[Esooa]

I thought maybe playing a non hydra game not multitabling would be better but it's not plus after day 1 mac is going to reeee at me even more

so lol, I will see when I get aroiund to posting this day phase

[MacDougall]

i should clearly never be partnered with wilgy based on how d1 played out but alright

whys that

She had a weird townread on him based on incorrect meta and I felt like as W/W she would uh... check that. Guess someone like SPF could fake that so I want to double check it tomorrow but at the time it felt not W/W to me and I was thinking Wilgy W

fake meta townreads on wolf teammates is a very common wolf tactic

I agree but it was the fact that she linked a game to call him town for, for being different than his scum meta, and in the game she linked he was town, that just felt too dopey to be W/W

you are probably right but like... everyone else except splints and esooa have better anti alignment reasons imo.

I guess depending on how you think about it maybe you could argue gira and falcon's reasons are about on par.

[MacDougall]

I thought maybe playing a non hydra game not multitabling would be better but it's not plus after day 1 mac is going to reeee at me even more

so lol, I will see when I get aroiund to posting this day phase

what am I supposed to do? townread you for trying to bury nanook when he pushed the flipped confirmed wolf?

[staypositivefriend]

I don't want to vote for Gira or Nook still.

Alexa is on Splints which makes me uncomfortable.

I just re-read Gira and they are town too.

Ezgame.

my general impression of skimming through wilgy's ISO is that he was a TMI machine - he loudly and aggressively townread and TMI'd me, lime coke, ilario, etc. as such, his treatment of gira and his insistence on calling him town when he was coming under pressure comes off as potential TMI of gira being town too, even though wilgy was prolly in anti-spew by the time that he made this post

[Lime Coke]

I think we should abandon all other premise and just murder ilario.

I disagree. I think Ilario is one of my greenest reads.

Really?? Why?

Because your entry & agreement with Alison gave me towny vibes and you haven't done anything that I wouldn't read from a town voice? Plus my early scum read voted you so...

kk that makes sense

who else is in ur town pile atm?

Would say that the greener people are you, LC, and Alison. Slight town lean on Esooa, slight town lean on Mac.

Wolf leans are Alexa, Dizzy, SPF.

@Lime Coke let me know if your feelings on SPF are still the same or not whenever you're around

There were a bit of times that I was kind of wavering in my tunnel on her, specifically the "you shouldn't have to be townreading me to try to work with me since that puts you into a conf-bias" post. Plus Alison mentioning that SPF responding with anger being town indicative for her is a decent point as well. At this rate I don't think she's mafia as much as I was last night.

I can't tell if it's me bitching out on scumreading her, or I was just wrong originally.
Also running out of confident enough options to vote out on Day 1.

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

why him?

zomg everyone's so towny

also his posts suck yet he has a lot of people townreading him for minor bad reasons which is >>>>rand wolf, and he hasn't answered my questioned about his dizzy read despite me pinging him multiple times

I saw one, and that was only because I re read. When in catch-up I'll often miss what was said while back reading until I get there.

At this point I'll take back my SPF wolf lean. The interactions between SPF and LC were good.

What did stick out was your slight town lean on Falcon. Talk to me about that one Alexa.

Hmmmm....

That timing though...

I think this was something that might've spewed SPF town? I remember making this post because Wilgy states "SPF is a scumread" then I respond to Alexa saying I don't scumread SPF anymore after what Alison says, then Wilgy just 180's his read on her.

Which was why I posted those two right after.

[Alison]

I shouldn't have signed up for this game in the first place given my availability but the player list was so enticing I felt like I had to. Nevertheless I don't think I can commit the time to this game it deserves and I'd rather not grief you guys by being afk the whole game like I was in G8.

[staypositivefriend]

Town:
Alexa
Illario
Esooa
Alison
Dizzy

Most confident to least.

How are you so confident on Alexa?

Mine is
Town:
LC
SPF
Ilario
Alison
Esooa

also just gonna quote this for posterity

[MacDougall]

I don't want to vote for Gira or Nook still.

Alexa is on Splints which makes me uncomfortable.

I just re-read Gira and they are town too.

Ezgame.

my general impression of skimming through wilgy's ISO is that he was a TMI machine - he loudly and aggressively townread and TMI'd me, lime coke, ilario, etc. as such, his treatment of gira and his insistence on calling him town when he was coming under pressure comes off as potential TMI of gira being town too, even though wilgy was prolly in anti-spew by the time that he made this post

I agree ... the gira read was out of place in a way that makes more sense for him to be trying to make gira look worse tbh

[staypositivefriend]

i should clearly never be partnered with wilgy based on how d1 played out but alright

whys that

She had a weird townread on him based on incorrect meta and I felt like as W/W she would uh... check that. Guess someone like SPF could fake that so I want to double check it tomorrow but at the time it felt not W/W to me and I was thinking Wilgy W

fake meta townreads on wolf teammates is a very common wolf tactic

I agree but it was the fact that she linked a game to call him town for, for being different than his scum meta, and in the game she linked he was town, that just felt too dopey to be W/W

you are probably right but like... everyone else except splints and esooa have better anti alignment reasons imo.

I guess depending on how you think about it maybe you could argue gira and falcon's reasons are about on par.

fwiw if youre town then i get the impression that youre probably misclearing someone but i havent read enough of the spew to figure out who it is

ill let u know in like 24 hours lol

[Esooa]

I thought maybe playing a non hydra game not multitabling would be better but it's not plus after day 1 mac is going to reeee at me even more

so lol, I will see when I get aroiund to posting this day phase

what am I supposed to do? townread you for trying to bury nanook when he pushed the flipped confirmed wolf?

I dunno, maybe yourself possible to engage with, or not make up things that never exist like thinking I found wolf partner Splints posts wolfy as w/w, then was like "eh but I just have to force a town read on this slot don't I so I'm going to" and everything else, or maybe even attempt to post any words at all about reading Nanook "obvious town" when he's posting literal bullshit in thread that could be randomly generated, and etc

I don't rly care to talk about it more than that

[Lime Coke]

I wish I took a screen shot of the poll after that but I thought it was posted.

[Esooa]

I'm voting Falcon, maybe if I say that with enough spunk I'll get called obvious town because that's all it matters, so here

Falcon is MAFIA Based on HOW HE LOOKS

I've given the necessary contributions now and will be taking my leave

[staypositivefriend]

I think we should abandon all other premise and just murder ilario.

I disagree. I think Ilario is one of my greenest reads.

Really?? Why?

Because your entry & agreement with Alison gave me towny vibes and you haven't done anything that I wouldn't read from a town voice? Plus my early scum read voted you so...

kk that makes sense

who else is in ur town pile atm?

Would say that the greener people are you, LC, and Alison. Slight town lean on Esooa, slight town lean on Mac.

Wolf leans are Alexa, Dizzy, SPF.

@Lime Coke let me know if your feelings on SPF are still the same or not whenever you're around

There were a bit of times that I was kind of wavering in my tunnel on her, specifically the "you shouldn't have to be townreading me to try to work with me since that puts you into a conf-bias" post. Plus Alison mentioning that SPF responding with anger being town indicative for her is a decent point as well. At this rate I don't think she's mafia as much as I was last night.

I can't tell if it's me bitching out on scumreading her, or I was just wrong originally.
Also running out of confident enough options to vote out on Day 1.

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

why him?

zomg everyone's so towny

also his posts suck yet he has a lot of people townreading him for minor bad reasons which is >>>>rand wolf, and he hasn't answered my questioned about his dizzy read despite me pinging him multiple times

I saw one, and that was only because I re read. When in catch-up I'll often miss what was said while back reading until I get there.

At this point I'll take back my SPF wolf lean. The interactions between SPF and LC were good.

What did stick out was your slight town lean on Falcon. Talk to me about that one Alexa.

Hmmmm....

That timing though...

I think this was something that might've spewed SPF town? I remember making this post because Wilgy states "SPF is a scumread" then I respond to Alexa saying I don't scumread SPF anymore after what Alison says, then Wilgy just 180's his read on her.

Which was why I posted those two right after.

yeah, this is part of the reason why i was reluctant to wolfread wilgy on d1, because i was under the impression that he would be more likely to encourage the T/T violence between you and me instead of trying to convince you that i was town. it was TMI that would be so brazen and so unbeneficial for the wolfteam that i figured it was >rand likely to be coming from a villager

but reading wilgy's ISO through the lens of him just TMI'ing the fuck out of most people in this game, his insistence that you/me are T/T makes more sense