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@falcon45ca

When you get on let me know your full thought process on Gavial.

I feel I've outlined my feelings on Gav's slot pretty clearly. Do you have a specific question in mind?


I'd put Gav at 72% scum

Yah, but Sabie and Sig first tbh

Willing to enagag any posts I've made or just gonna keep throwing my name out without any reasons?

I do want to hear from Tony, Nanook, and Mac at some point as to why the fuck they even voted that.
Dolby was the only one, I think already on Seanzie, Sabie pretty much gets a pass for self preservation interests, and really doubt NAA will ever come in to explain why he did it other than for the lols.

She could have self preserve to Gavial or Sig. Why didnt she?

Also more falsehood I only ever had like what 2 votes? Was never a leading wagon. This is an extreme reach

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TBH if we yeet a not Sabie I'd go with NAA.

Disagreed. We honor Dyslexicon legacy read and kill off Sig instead.

Eh.
Sig isn’t that great of a choice as I feel they have a good amount of town equity.

Plus was it even Dizzy that made that read? Are you absolutely sure you aren’t mixing Dizzy up with Sean?

This literally, Dizzy may have been pushing a bit (don't even rememebr if he was since that low key) BUT, this entire obsession and low key lying from Guillo is all based off 1 joking post I made Day 0 with Dizzy.

Hasn't bothered to answer me or even engage me since which isn't a productive towny at all, hasn't even bothered to review my posts and make a real case its all just spamming thread saying to get me out.

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[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Because he said something I haven't heard town say yet about Gavial's play.

Okay he did vote for me based only really off the fact I civ read Gavial and how i civ read him. Which seems like a bizzare reason to vote someone, but it was day 1 so whatever.

Totally a false narrative to say Dizzy was heavily scum reading me, if anything it was typical probing and searching meaning Gullio is just continuing his bizarre tunneling and now using Dizzy to do so.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Because he said something I haven't heard town say yet about Gavial's play.

Okay he did vote for me based only really off the fact I civ read Gavial and how i civ read him. Which seems like a bizzare reason to vote someone, but it was day 1 so whatever.

Totally a false narrative to say Dizzy was heavily scum reading me, if anything it was typical probing and searching meaning Gullio is just continuing his bizarre tunneling and now using Dizzy to do so.

So are they both town? Which one is Maf?

[LinearPoint]

I don't like how we're unvoting Sabie.

[Marmot]

I also look forward to people thinking I'm teamed with Sabie because Sabie talks about me a lot and because I choose to catchup in a funny way.

You're linked with sabie because you're always mafia and sabie just happens to be mafia.

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[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Because he said something I haven't heard town say yet about Gavial's play.

Okay he did vote for me based only really off the fact I civ read Gavial and how i civ read him. Which seems like a bizzare reason to vote someone, but it was day 1 so whatever.

Totally a false narrative to say Dizzy was heavily scum reading me, if anything it was typical probing and searching meaning Gullio is just continuing his bizarre tunneling and now using Dizzy to do so.

So are they both town? Which one is Maf?

Well Dizzy is dead so pretty sure he's town.

Gullio is a bit harder, my gut wants to say mafia since he's tunneling over nothing and as I said lying a bit/overhyping his case and thoughts. However, based off what I remember with his playstyle, we did only play one game I believe< and his non me related posts I'm leaning towards confused tunneling towny who should be ignored, but not voted for.

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I don't like how we're unvoting Sabie.

Yea agreed, it seems easy to mischop today then waste D3 on them and have no real solving done.


Also can't we have TSP snipe someone tonight and do the same mech type stuff to clear people, but do it all D4?

That should also help remove the unknowns since we'll have a few more flips.

[MacDougall]

Who all jumped on that Sean wagon?

nanook, naa, sabie, one or both of TSP and Macdougall. Tbh I don't remember which of the two was a previous voter

me if you count voting an hour before the CFD jumping on

I was the first voter and I feel bad

I dont believe this.

good for you

[MacDougall]

So I read a little bit and see Sabie is red checked which should clear me tbh cuz I wanted to kill her ass and do nothing else before the red check was a thing.

Aaaaanyway TSP, NAA and Nanook can just get it.

I also want Gavial, Guillo and Martin to die.

[MacDougall]

@DrWilgy why are you not voting the red check or one of the three people who are actually responsible for saving said red check.

Also you are voting on me with an outed mafia.

Do better.

[Dolby]

tbh just from how things have gone down I'm assuming that sabie has to be yeeted

I would've rather followed the plan and had Sabie vig shot

[Dolby]

nanook can die tomorrow tbh

[falcon45ca]

So I read a little bit and see Sabie is red checked which should clear me tbh cuz I wanted to kill her ass and do nothing else before the red check was a thing.

Aaaaanyway TSP, NAA and Nanook can just get it.

I also want Gavial, Guillo and Martin to die.

Thoughts on Dolby's move to Sean?

[Gavial]

Nook switched onto Seanzie at some point and I can't find a reason why. Does anyone know?

Dolby's switch onto Sean...feels like it could be a wolf move, get on an ML CW early enough that it's not overly questioned, but perhaps that's too much tinfoil

Falcon/Nanook team can make sense.

[falcon45ca]

Nook switched onto Seanzie at some point and I can't find a reason why. Does anyone know?

Dolby's switch onto Sean...feels like it could be a wolf move, get on an ML CW early enough that it's not overly questioned, but perhaps that's too much tinfoil

Falcon/Nanook team can make sense.

In a world where Nook & I are scum, why am I pushing his wagon over other players who CFD onto Sean?

[Gavial]

Gavial’s God Tier Reads.

Town:
Lime Coke
Dolby
MacDougall
LinearPoint

Mild Town:
Sig
Martin
Marmot

Null:
NotAnAxehole
DrWilgy

Below Null:
Jackofhearts2005
TonyStarkPrime

Mild Wolf:
falcon45ca
Guillotine
(Only 1!)

Wolf:
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Redchecked:
Sabie12

(Guillo/Falcon) Contain at least 1 Wolf
(Marmot//Nanook/Lime Coke) Contain at least 1 Wolf
(NAA/Nanook//Sabie probably contain a wolf. (This of course can be Sabie.)

[Dolby]

So I read a little bit and see Sabie is red checked which should clear me tbh cuz I wanted to kill her ass and do nothing else before the red check was a thing.

Aaaaanyway TSP, NAA and Nanook can just get it.

I also want Gavial, Guillo and Martin to die.

Thoughts on Dolby's move to Sean?

I mean

If I was w that'd mean that mafia consciously choose to wagon Seanzie over Gav like an hour before and would make probably Gav and me likely partners since Gav had more votes than Seanzie

Also would likely mean that one of Naa/nanook/TSP is the last w

so

yeah

This wagon had to have had town votes in the cfd to make it go over tbh, which they couldn't have know that town votes would come then

[Gavial]

Nook switched onto Seanzie at some point and I can't find a reason why. Does anyone know?

Dolby's switch onto Sean...feels like it could be a wolf move, get on an ML CW early enough that it's not overly questioned, but perhaps that's too much tinfoil

Falcon/Nanook team can make sense.

In a world where Nook & I are scum, why am I pushing his wagon over other players who CFD onto Sean?

Because Sabie is Redchecked?
Lol.

[Gavial]

Like that’s like you being on Mars and you telling me that at least you aren’t at another planet like the rest of the explorers when the rest of them are still on earth.

[Gavial]

Like everyone on my Null reads and up probably one contain 2 wolf at max.

Everyone on my Below Null reads for sure contain at least 2 wolves but most likely more.

[Gavial]

There is definitely a wolf within Falcon/Guillo and I’m now leaning Falcon.
Nanook is almost certainly wolf from what I can see.
TSP and Jack have been giving me bad vibes all around but nothing super confident that would make me throw them in Mild Scum.

[Gavial]

Now rather Jack is protecting a scum buddy or TMI’ing Sabie Town is beyond me.

So you don't know what I'm doing but you're sure I'm a wolf doing it. K.

I know your doing what a wolf would do.
I just don’t know the position of which you are in as wolf.

[Gavial]

I think Sabie flip just solves allot tbh.
I kinda already have allot more worlds broken once Sabie flips.

I mean....how. Since you just said I'm scum either way. Who else's alignment depends upon Sabie's?

Lol when did I straight out claim your wolf?
I said you can very well be a wolf but I never said I hard wolf read you.

[Gavial]

I definitely implied I think you can be a wolf, I’ll give you that much.

[Gavial]

Hmm I guess Marmot's disinterest is odd and could be mafia? If he were then he hasn't provided much interaction with anyone so he wouldn't be worried about giving away teammates if he gets voted off. I can never get a good read on Jack. If Jack is mafia he's better to get out earlier rather than later. Does gavial have a different playstyle when town or mafia? He always seems kinda all over the place.
Throwing a vote on marmot for now. Hoping to be able to come back later before EOD.
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I don't like this.
You're last post with Marmot was basically saying you felt the same about the game as they did.

Spoiler: show

That happens to me when I haven't played in awhile. Any thoughts so far?

But now you are using it as a reason to vote them?
It just feels like this is coming from someone looking for an excuse to get on the wagon than a legitimate read.

Well I thought maybe he was going to come in and start participating now that he remembered he was playing. Then he just kinda said he didn't care and didn't provide anything else so I found that odd.

That's fair, any thoughts on Gav so far? I see you posted about Jack, but not Gav, so more just curious if you had more of a reason for Marmot over Gav.

I'm not sure about gav I feel like his theories don't make sense and could be deflection of attention from himself. I feel like he is so all over the place it's hard to pinpoint. I could see him as mafia this game. My initial hesitation was because I thought people jumped on his wagon pretty quick early on in the day. I was hoping maybe a vote on marmot would get him to post more but that maybe that was being too hopeful.

I feel like this reads town for Sabie.

So like meta and wagonomics says Sabie is town before I even look at her iso.

So I looked at her iso.

24 posts. Yet she's a runaway wagon.

Hmm I guess Marmot's disinterest is odd and could be mafia? If he were then he hasn't provided much interaction with anyone so he wouldn't be worried about giving away teammates if he gets voted off. I can never get a good read on Jack. If Jack is mafia he's better to get out earlier rather than later. Does gavial have a different playstyle when town or mafia? He always seems kinda all over the place.
Throwing a vote on marmot for now. Hoping to be able to come back later before EOD.
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I don't like this.
You're last post with Marmot was basically saying you felt the same about the game as they did.

Spoiler: show

@Marmot

Why are you way more low presence compared to Philo 2?

I keep forgetting I'm in a mafia game and am feeling lazy this game.

That happens to me when I haven't played in awhile. Any thoughts so far?

But now you are using it as a reason to vote them?
It just feels like this is coming from someone looking for an excuse to get on the wagon than a legitimate read.

I find this post more sus than anything Sabie has said up until this point. Like, this attack reads dishonest. Granted, LP walks it back like immediately but it's a bad look. Agreeing with "I sometimes forget I'm in a mafia game" is not like the same thing as a mindmeld. There's not like a contradiction in the things Sabie is saying, here.

The only thing even #weird I could find in Sabie's iso prior to this post is that she mentions me a lot. Idk if other people were talking about me at the time but it's kinda #weird.

NAA dies either way and shouldn't be end gaming.

Didn’t everyone assure us that NAA was a wolf that one time? Or was that Dolby meta?

I remember people assuring me in a previous game that a NAA slot was a wolf when I knew it absolutely wasn’t because I was a wolf.

If i was a wolf i would love to keep NAA in the game.

Meaning?

@LinearPoint
Idk about you, but if anyone is hard defending Sabie it’s this guy.
Not me.

Now rather Jack is protecting a scum buddy or TMI’ing Sabie Town is beyond me.

Ima say this much. I really don’t like Jack’s immediately jump into thinking I’m hard wolf reading him when I never even said I did.
I was simply referring to a thing LP said where they expect a scum to be doing some sort of protecting on Sabie and accused me of doing it so I pointed out that Jack would make allot more sense then I.
What do you think? @Lime Coke
What’s your read on Jack?

[Gavial]

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Because he said something I haven't heard town say yet about Gavial's play.

Okay he did vote for me based only really off the fact I civ read Gavial and how i civ read him. Which seems like a bizzare reason to vote someone, but it was day 1 so whatever.

Totally a false narrative to say Dizzy was heavily scum reading me, if anything it was typical probing and searching meaning Gullio is just continuing his bizarre tunneling and now using Dizzy to do so.

So are they both town? Which one is Maf?

What the fuck is this post by Falcon?
Looks like shit.

[Gavial]

Wolfy vibes***
Me triggered!

[falcon45ca]

Nook switched onto Seanzie at some point and I can't find a reason why. Does anyone know?

Dolby's switch onto Sean...feels like it could be a wolf move, get on an ML CW early enough that it's not overly questioned, but perhaps that's too much tinfoil

Falcon/Nanook team can make sense.

In a world where Nook & I are scum, why am I pushing his wagon over other players who CFD onto Sean?

Because Sabie is Redchecked?
Lol.

I don't see what one has to do with the other, but I'd be a fool to expect a rational answer from you

[Gavial]

If Sabie is Mafia there is at least 2 correct in my Below Null and down PoE.
If Sabie is Town there Is at least 3 correct with the off chance it’s 2.

[Gavial]

Nook switched onto Seanzie at some point and I can't find a reason why. Does anyone know?

Dolby's switch onto Sean...feels like it could be a wolf move, get on an ML CW early enough that it's not overly questioned, but perhaps that's too much tinfoil

Falcon/Nanook team can make sense.

In a world where Nook & I are scum, why am I pushing his wagon over other players who CFD onto Sean?

Because Sabie is Redchecked?
Lol.

I don't see what one has to do with the other, but I'd be a fool to expect a rational answer from you

Like that’s like you being on Mars and you telling me that at least you aren’t at another planet like the rest of the explorers when the rest of them are still on earth.

Discrediting me now? Nice!

I gave you the example, if you read and pay attention you’ll understand what I’m saying.
Although if your wolf I don’t really expect you to give a shit about much of it.

[Gavial]

If you need me to sum it down to doggy level for you Falcon, here I go!

You.
Vote.
Nanook.
Ok, Cool.

There.
Is.
No.
Other.
Option.
Then.
Sabie.
That.
Is.
Going.
To.
Go.
Through.
Today.

Your.
Vote.
Doesn’t.
Mean.
Shit.

[Gavial]

@falcon45ca
Read away captain!

[falcon45ca]

Nook switched onto Seanzie at some point and I can't find a reason why. Does anyone know?

Dolby's switch onto Sean...feels like it could be a wolf move, get on an ML CW early enough that it's not overly questioned, but perhaps that's too much tinfoil

Falcon/Nanook team can make sense.

In a world where Nook & I are scum, why am I pushing his wagon over other players who CFD onto Sean?

Because Sabie is Redchecked?
Lol.

I don't see what one has to do with the other, but I'd be a fool to expect a rational answer from you

Like that’s like you being on Mars and you telling me that at least you aren’t at another planet like the rest of the explorers when the rest of them are still on earth.

Discrediting me now? Nice!

I gave you the example, if you read and pay attention you’ll understand what I’m saying.
Although if your wolf I don’t really expect you to give a shit about much of it.

No, that's not what I'm doing.



You can't discredit a crazy person

[falcon45ca]

If you need me to sum it down to doggy level for you Falcon, here I go!

You.
Vote.
Nanook.
Ok, Cool.

There.
Is.
No.
Other.
Option.
Then.
Sabie.
That.
Is.
Going.
To.
Go.
Through.
Today.

Your.
Vote.
Doesn’t.
Mean.
Shit.

TL,DR

[Gavial]

If you need me to sum it down to doggy level for you Falcon, here I go!

You.
Vote.
Nanook.
Ok, Cool.

There.
Is.
No.
Other.
Option.
Then.
Sabie.
That.
Is.
Going.
To.
Go.
Through.
Today.

Your.
Vote.
Doesn’t.
Mean.
Shit.

TL,DR

If you can’t read that, you either don’t read a quarter of the posts
in FM Games, you hate periods or your wolf.

Which one is it?

[Gavial]

If you need me to sum it down to doggy level for you Falcon, here I go!

You.Vote.Nanook.Ok, Cool.

There.Is.No.Other.Option.Then.Sabie.That.Is.Going.To.Go.Through.Today.

Your.Vote.Doesn’t.Mean.Shit.

TL,DR

@falcon45ca
Here! Extra Doggy for you!

[Gavial]

Nook switched onto Seanzie at some point and I can't find a reason why. Does anyone know?

Dolby's switch onto Sean...feels like it could be a wolf move, get on an ML CW early enough that it's not overly questioned, but perhaps that's too much tinfoil

Falcon/Nanook team can make sense.

In a world where Nook & I are scum, why am I pushing his wagon over other players who CFD onto Sean?

^
Therefore Sir Captain Falcon,
Your reasoning here is shit.

[falcon45ca]

If you need me to sum it down to doggy level for you Falcon, here I go!

You.
Vote.
Nanook.
Ok, Cool.

There.
Is.
No.
Other.
Option.
Then.
Sabie.
That.
Is.
Going.
To.
Go.
Through.
Today.

Your.
Vote.
Doesn’t.
Mean.
Shit.

TL,DR

If you can’t read that, you either don’t read a quarter of the posts
in FM Games, you hate periods or your wolf.

Which one is it?

[Gavial]

So I read a little bit and see Sabie is red checked which should clear me tbh cuz I wanted to kill her ass and do nothing else before the red check was a thing.

Aaaaanyway TSP, NAA and Nanook can just get it.

I also want Gavial, Guillo and Martin to die.

Wow I mindmelted with you man and you do this to me.
You evil.

[Gavial]

Your town, but evil.

[Gavial]

Jack and Falcon is where you should be looking at Mac.
@MacDougall
Go look there!

[Gavial]

I think Falcon wolf claimed because he knew I caught him with his shit reasoning and doesn’t wanna say anything because he is frozen.

[Gavial]

nanook can die tomorrow tbh

Agreed.
Although he’s also Nanook so I can’t be shocked if he flips Town because Nanook for some reason does that when I have him as almost for sure wolf.

[Gavial]

Last time he did that though I solved TSP/Jack team but played about it poorly.

[falcon45ca]

I think Falcon wolf claimed because he knew I caught him with his shit reasoning and doesn’t wanna say anything because he is frozen.

[MartinGG99]

I also want Gavial, Guillo and Martin to die.

I'm less interested than any single person being in that list than I am interested in how you arrived to putting all 3 of Guilo/Gavial/Me together

Off the top of my head that makes for a bit of a unusual group considering one of them I townread, the other I haven't really read, and I myself is scum-read by Guilo and mild town-read by Gavial.

[MartinGG99]

Btw no one requested to enter red base tonight.

[falcon45ca]

Gav!


We all know Sabie is going over this RD!





Your vote is uuuuuuuiuuuse lessssssssssss

[TonyStarkPrime]

Btw no one requested to enter red base tonight.

Did you claim a color?