FOOD WARS MAFIA [Mafia Win]

[nutella]

does nutella just take the foot off the gas pedal on syndicate nowadays? it's interesting to me nobody raised a scum read on her, especially urist if he's a villager. maybe he didn't play with her much.

i'm assuming this is the case since somebody must have said something otherwise, but i wanna double check

ive been pretty chill lately yeah, really trying to take a break from high investment in games

@DrWilgy can you write some words on why you keep coming back to nook?

(soon pay)

Flip through Nook's ISO.

I think the best way to describe the Nook read is that it feels like alot of his posts are dissuasive. If there's a wolf in those who claimed I was town during RVS, this is what makes me feel that it's Nook.

The dynamic between Nook and NAA is weird, but that may be NAI when it comes to Nook.

a lot of stuff is nai for nook tbh

Vote Srceenplay and if they flip Town you ahead and go for Nanook/Urist tomorrow but if they Flip Red just confirm Nanook as Town and just push Urist tomorrow.

i'm really not as confident as you are about all these associatives lol, i just think srceen is wolfy

[nutella]

@DrWilgy can you write some words on why you keep coming back to nook?

(soon pay)

Flip through Nook's ISO.

I think the best way to describe the Nook read is that it feels like alot of his posts are dissuasive. If there's a wolf in those who claimed I was town during RVS, this is what makes me feel that it's Nook.

The dynamic between Nook and NAA is weird, but that may be NAI when it comes to Nook.

so...is it fair to say most of your read is a gut ping on his town read of you?

Spoiler: show

lmfao

[nutella]

i hate making reads like this

feels like im really digging for anything

[srceenplay]

does nutella just take the foot off the gas pedal on syndicate nowadays? it's interesting to me nobody raised a scum read on her, especially urist if he's a villager. maybe he didn't play with her much.

i'm assuming this is the case since somebody must have said something otherwise, but i wanna double check

ive been pretty chill lately yeah, really trying to take a break from high investment in games

@DrWilgy can you write some words on why you keep coming back to nook?

(soon pay)

Flip through Nook's ISO.

I think the best way to describe the Nook read is that it feels like alot of his posts are dissuasive. If there's a wolf in those who claimed I was town during RVS, this is what makes me feel that it's Nook.

The dynamic between Nook and NAA is weird, but that may be NAI when it comes to Nook.

a lot of stuff is nai for nook tbh

Vote Srceenplay and if they flip Town you ahead and go for Nanook/Urist tomorrow but if they Flip Red just confirm Nanook as Town and just push Urist tomorrow.

i'm really not as confident as you are about all these associatives lol, i just think srceen is wolfy

and you voted urist but now are on me when we have a split-ish wagon

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Not in the way I expected it to be but this game is increasingly entertaining

[DrWilgy]

I may not be around for EoD after this

Here's how it be in my head formatted as cleanly as I could manage:
If Nook is red,
CCE
Gavi
Urist
Screenplay
LC
NAA
JoH
Ted
TSP
Fingersplints
Nutella

If Nook is green,
Gavi
CCE
LC
Nutella
NAA
Ted
JoH
TSP
Fingersplints
Urist
Srceenplay

I just don't think the 2nd is the case.

[srceenplay]

Sushi always goes bad quickly, probably was the Sushi.

This person is fo sure bad

The first lesson of playing with srceenplay is that yes, the R does come before the C

The second lesson is to sheep srceenplay

I’ll just pretend that votes are permanent. [VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

sounds good [VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

@Gavial were does this play into Nanook and my interaction about LP?

[nutella]

does nutella just take the foot off the gas pedal on syndicate nowadays? it's interesting to me nobody raised a scum read on her, especially urist if he's a villager. maybe he didn't play with her much.

i'm assuming this is the case since somebody must have said something otherwise, but i wanna double check

ive been pretty chill lately yeah, really trying to take a break from high investment in games

@DrWilgy can you write some words on why you keep coming back to nook?

(soon pay)

Flip through Nook's ISO.

I think the best way to describe the Nook read is that it feels like alot of his posts are dissuasive. If there's a wolf in those who claimed I was town during RVS, this is what makes me feel that it's Nook.

The dynamic between Nook and NAA is weird, but that may be NAI when it comes to Nook.

a lot of stuff is nai for nook tbh

Vote Srceenplay and if they flip Town you ahead and go for Nanook/Urist tomorrow but if they Flip Red just confirm Nanook as Town and just push Urist tomorrow.

i'm really not as confident as you are about all these associatives lol, i just think srceen is wolfy

and you voted urist but now are on me when we have a split-ish wagon

w/w wagons are more common than ppl think, see the philo game that just ended :P but even if youre not w/w your posts have felt worse overall to me today, and imo gav/cream are townier than anyone voting urist atm

[nutella]

so many preflips in this thread it's like some kind of logic puzzle

[srceenplay]

linearpoint srceenplay paopan cream&cannoli are all new to me

New to you but the only person you want to try and push were ALL the others whom I am not new to say don't. hmm...

[nutella]

linearpoint srceenplay paopan cream&cannoli are all new to me

New to you but the only person you want to try and push were ALL the others whom I am not new to say don't. hmm...

...what

[nutella]

is that english

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

linearpoint srceenplay paopan cream&cannoli are all new to me

New to you but the only person you want to try and push were ALL the others whom I am not new to say don't. hmm...

...what

Hes new to you

The people he isn't new to (ie, me, urist, axe) say he's town or probably town

You push him anyways

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

linearpoint srceenplay paopan cream&cannoli are all new to me

New to you but the only person you want to try and push were ALL the others whom I am not new to say don't. hmm...

...what

Hes new to you

The people he isn't new to (ie, me, urist, axe) say he's town or probably town

You push him anyways

Hmm...

[srceenplay]

linearpoint srceenplay paopan cream&cannoli are all new to me

New to you but the only person you want to try and push were ALL the others whom I am not new to say don't. hmm...

...what

Hes new to you

The people he isn't new to (ie, me, urist, axe) say he's town or probably town

You push him anyways

Hmm...

THX

[nutella]

linearpoint srceenplay paopan cream&cannoli are all new to me

New to you but the only person you want to try and push were ALL the others whom I am not new to say don't. hmm...

...what

Hes new to you

The people he isn't new to (ie, me, urist, axe) say he's town or probably town

You push him anyways

ah

i haven't really noticed you guys saying he's town particularly strongly, just that he's a hard player to get a handle on

if there's more to this being specifically his town style i could be persuaded ig. his posts are just bad

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

linearpoint srceenplay paopan cream&cannoli are all new to me

New to you but the only person you want to try and push were ALL the others whom I am not new to say don't. hmm...

...what

Hes new to you

The people he isn't new to (ie, me, urist, axe) say he's town or probably town

You push him anyways

ah

i haven't really noticed you guys saying he's town particularly strongly, just that he's a hard player to get a handle on

if there's more to this being specifically his town style i could be persuaded ig. his posts are just bad

I mean "his posts are just bad" for srceen is like

Thats literally every game he plays lol

Ftr I dont think his posts are bad, but I think they're always going to be by your metrics

[srceenplay]

Going through nuts iso it looks like they keep putting votes on urist but unmeaningful. Feels fake to me. eod yesterday they talk about vote urist and swith to voting out a nobody. (I dislike all that did that.
I can see nut and urist as w/w

[srceenplay]

If everyone says post are bad they are probably bad but I also think that just makes me LHF

[nutella]

Going through nuts iso it looks like they keep putting votes on urist but unmeaningful. Feels fake to me. eod yesterday they talk about vote urist and swith to voting out a nobody. (I dislike all that did that.
I can see nut and urist as w/w

bruh i wanted urist to go over d1 but everyone moved to falcon lmao

i'd still be happy to flip him today

[srceenplay]

srceenplay :3 20%
Voters: nutella, Gavial, Cream&Cannoli Enterprises


Urist: 5 33%
Voters: tedxtr, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, NotAnAxehole, srceenplay, fingersplints

When your happy and you know it clam your hands

[srceenplay]

*clap

[Jackofhearts2005]

i hate making reads like this

feels like im really digging for anything

Tell me I’m smart

[Jackofhearts2005]

I may not be around for EoD after this

Here's how it be in my head formatted as cleanly as I could manage:
If Nook is red,
CCE
Gavi
Urist
Screenplay
LC
NAA
JoH
Ted
TSP
Fingersplints
Nutella

If Nook is green,
Gavi
CCE
LC
Nutella
NAA
Ted
JoH
TSP
Fingersplints
Urist
Srceenplay

I just don't think the 2nd is the case.

Top of the wolf reads, right where I belong.

[Cream&Cannoli Enterprises]

Re-reading start of D2 for game flow, I think Urist looks scummiest probably, mostly due to

1. Urist starts the day saying that Gav might not be mafia based on NK.
2. When srceenplay says that NAA's change in votes at EOD1 looks bad for NAA, Urist sheeps that and agrees.
3. When srceenplay insinuates that Gav is still mafia, Urist decides to go back to scumreading Gav (#595 - Urist - scumteam is gavial/axehole/fingersplints) (this scum team is kinda wack, I gotta say)
4.

If Gavial were mafia I'd expect someone pushing him to be killed. And if not someone pushing him, probably not the person saying "yeah I think he's a PR" before he's even claimed PR.

I think this misrepresents LP's position on D1. She was one of the biggest pushers on Gav on D1, and her tinfoil hedge was that she thought he could be PR. I even asked her D1 why she was voting Gav despite thinking he could be a PR. She only changed her vote at the very last minute.

If srceenplay and Urist are both scum, Urist just continually sheeping srceenplay at SOD2 is kinda a weird wolf strat.

===

Comparing srceenplay and Urist's response to my question of "why do you think Gav is scum", I think Urist's is worse though srceenplay's is weak also.

Within this question, I'm not really looking for right or wrong answers that align with my own take on Gav.
- Urist's scumread on Gav is
(a) meta read: Gav is not doing his half-baked conspiracy theory thing that he does as town
(b) says Gav is obv wolf

TBH couldn't find much else on Urist's scumread. I think there's a distinct lack in pointing to specific things this game that he's doing that are scummy. Reads that aren't comprehensive tend to be scum indicative.

srceenplay's scumread on Gav is that Gav felt like he was flailing D1 and talks about his thought process D1, which is better.

I think I just find it weird that Gav's behavior checks a lot of the boxes of "conventional townie behavior" and all of that is ignored, especially if you are doing a semi-surface level read. I can understand LP's scumread on Gav since things were substantiated. But if you are just talking general behavior, I think 9 times out of 10, most people would townread Gav for being (1) solvie, (2) proactive, (3) scumhunting.

[Jackofhearts2005]

linearpoint srceenplay paopan cream&cannoli are all new to me

New to you but the only person you want to try and push were ALL the others whom I am not new to say don't. hmm...

...what

Hes new to you

The people he isn't new to (ie, me, urist, axe) say he's town or probably town

You push him anyways

ah

i haven't really noticed you guys saying he's town particularly strongly, just that he's a hard player to get a handle on

if there's more to this being specifically his town style i could be persuaded ig. his posts are just bad

I mean "his posts are just bad" for srceen is like

Thats literally every game he plays lol

Ftr I dont think his posts are bad, but I think they're always going to be by your metrics

Spoiler: show

Unless it’s Screen+Nanook+other people who say Screen is town rollsafe.jpg

[Cream&Cannoli Enterprises]

The reason I push srceenplay despite everyone who knows him saying he’s town is because

1. I read 2 town games of his and 1 scum game and I honestly didn’t think he was entirely out of his scum range, from my personal view.

2. Reads that are SOLELY meta based are unreliable sometimes. I mean, have you ever misread someone based on meta? Probably. They should be backed up by behavioral reads and other sorts of reads, and I wasn’t seeing that. It’s just a whole bunch of people saying “he’s town, trust us”

3. I recently played a game where I mis-cleared mafia based on meta, and all other townies from my homesite agreed with my meta read. So maybe that’s why I’m cautious. It’s not an impossible situation where multiple people misclear someone based on meta, since well I’ve experienced it before.

4. It would greatly help if you could point out one thing that srceenplay has said or done that is outside his scum range rather than just asking for blind trust.

[Cream&Cannoli Enterprises]

I agree with Urist being eliminated today barring further solving progress on my end

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don't think any of us are saying he's lock town and couldn't do this as mafia, we're just saying he's more likely town than mafia...and that this is pretty much the textbook reaction to playing with srceen for the first time

[dunya]

If a doctor exists in this game, they are not able to self target or target the same person on two consecutive nights.

[Gavial]

i hate making reads like this

feels like im really digging for anything

Imma call this slightly wolfy because I tend to feel this way more often as a wolf.

Well Ted can’t be scum with Urist because Urist didn’t mention Ted as a Zero Poster in his Zero Poster post

[Gavial]

How about this, there's scum in the low posters. Who is it and why is it fingersplints?

Well it can’t be Jack or Ted because they are almost confirmed town due to all scum being present day 1.

[Gavial]

I may not be around for EoD after this

Here's how it be in my head formatted as cleanly as I could manage:
If Nook is red,
CCE
Gavi
Urist
Screenplay
LC
NAA
JoH
Ted
TSP
Fingersplints
Nutella

If Nook is green,
Gavi
CCE
LC
Nutella
NAA
Ted
JoH
TSP
Fingersplints
Urist
Srceenplay

I just don't think the 2nd is the case.

I’d tweak the last one just a bit:
Jack and Ted should be next to LC, Finger’s should be above TSP and NAA.

[Gavial]

linearpoint srceenplay paopan cream&cannoli are all new to me

New to you but the only person you want to try and push were ALL the others whom I am not new to say don't. hmm...

...what

He’s saying your pushing him but not them.
Which is a lol argument.

[Gavial]

linearpoint srceenplay paopan cream&cannoli are all new to me

New to you but the only person you want to try and push were ALL the others whom I am not new to say don't. hmm...

...what

Hes new to you

The people he isn't new to (ie, me, urist, axe) say he's town or probably town

You push him anyways

False.
I know Srceenplay and I’ve seen him play town.
This doesn’t look like him playing town.

[Gavial]

linearpoint srceenplay paopan cream&cannoli are all new to me

New to you but the only person you want to try and push were ALL the others whom I am not new to say don't. hmm...

...what

Hes new to you

The people he isn't new to (ie, me, urist, axe) say he's town or probably town

You push him anyways

ah

i haven't really noticed you guys saying he's town particularly strongly, just that he's a hard player to get a handle on

if there's more to this being specifically his town style i could be persuaded ig. his posts are just bad

I mean "his posts are just bad" for srceen is like

Thats literally every game he plays lol

Ftr I dont think his posts are bad, but I think they're always going to be by your metrics

There’s a difference between bad posts and bad reactions.
He has bad reactions this game therefore he’s probably wolf.

[Gavial]

The reason I push srceenplay despite everyone who knows him saying he’s town is because

1. I read 2 town games of his and 1 scum game and I honestly didn’t think he was entirely out of his scum range, from my personal view.

2. Reads that are SOLELY meta based are unreliable sometimes. I mean, have you ever misread someone based on meta? Probably. They should be backed up by behavioral reads and other sorts of reads, and I wasn’t seeing that. It’s just a whole bunch of people saying “he’s town, trust us”

3. I recently played a game where I mis-cleared mafia based on meta, and all other townies from my homesite agreed with my meta read. So maybe that’s why I’m cautious. It’s not an impossible situation where multiple people misclear someone based on meta, since well I’ve experienced it before.

4. It would greatly help if you could point out one thing that srceenplay has said or done that is outside his scum range rather than just asking for blind trust.

I agree with Urist being eliminated today barring further solving progress on my end

I don’t agree.
Srceenplay is harder to yeet then Urist is so yeet him early.

[Gavial]

Urist Mafia makes Srceenplay, TSP, NAA the likely suspects btw.

Well NAA is only scum with Urist if Srceenplay is their partner as well.

[Jackofhearts2005]

i hate making reads like this

feels like im really digging for anything

Imma call this slightly wolfy because I tend to feel this way more often as a wolf.

Well Ted can’t be scum with Urist because Urist didn’t mention Ted as a Zero Poster in his Zero Poster post

I can’t tell if this is a joke or not.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i hate making reads like this

feels like im really digging for anything

Imma call this slightly wolfy because I tend to feel this way more often as a wolf.

Well Ted can’t be scum with Urist because Urist didn’t mention Ted as a Zero Poster in his Zero Poster post

I can’t tell if this is a joke or not.

It isn't

[Cream&Cannoli Enterprises]

I don't think any of us are saying he's lock town and couldn't do this as mafia, we're just saying he's more likely town than mafia...and that this is pretty much the textbook reaction to playing with srceen for the first time

What specifically makes you think he's more likely town then?

The thing is, I don't even see any of you/NAA/Urist(?) evaluating srceenplay with the potential that he might be scum. It feels very "locked in" from my perspective.

How are you differentiating town!srceenplay vs scum!srceenplay?

Like, here:

272
When someone says the feel the same way as me I get the feeling they understand the same thought process as me. As I am town I would not think mafia would had the same thought process as me.

49 Is a troll post and serious. I'm shaded them and at the same time pointing out that if they "ARE" town they don't know anything. It might not be a "great probing question" but it's the style I play. Call out shit I see and randomly through out thoughts/content. Being wrong and bad does not make you mafia in this game. Being right and good does not make you town in this game.

It's just so hard for me to read posts like this and say that this comes from town.

272 - IDK if it's me being pedantic, but townreads from mindmelds don't generally work like this. If someone posts the exact same thing you were thinking of but haven't posted yet, it's a mindmeld and you might townread them. In this case, DrWigly just quoted srceenplay's post and said, "I agree" and srceenplay somehow equates that to a mindmeld. By that very same logic, srceenplay should be townreading Urist, who agrees with him on stuff. Yet srceenplay is voting Urist.

It's just so unnatural to townread someone purely on the basis of them agreeing with your post.

Like, reading srceenplay's mech talk, he seems to be an experienced semi-competent player at the very least, which makes me think that his other posts shouldn't be that hard to vibe with if he were town. But yeah, just not vibing.

[Cream&Cannoli Enterprises]

ngl, but I have no idea what to do with TSP

[Cream&Cannoli Enterprises]

@TonyStarkPrime do you wanna at least vote before EOD

[tedxtr]

The reason I push srceenplay despite everyone who knows him saying he’s town is because

1. I read 2 town games of his and 1 scum game and I honestly didn’t think he was entirely out of his scum range, from my personal view.

2. Reads that are SOLELY meta based are unreliable sometimes. I mean, have you ever misread someone based on meta? Probably. They should be backed up by behavioral reads and other sorts of reads, and I wasn’t seeing that. It’s just a whole bunch of people saying “he’s town, trust us”

3. I recently played a game where I mis-cleared mafia based on meta, and all other townies from my homesite agreed with my meta read. So maybe that’s why I’m cautious. It’s not an impossible situation where multiple people misclear someone based on meta, since well I’ve experienced it before.

4. It would greatly help if you could point out one thing that srceenplay has said or done that is outside his scum range rather than just asking for blind trust.

i remember you scum reading urist, what are your thoughts on him now / his wagon?

[tedxtr]

i hate making reads like this

feels like im really digging for anything

Imma call this slightly wolfy because I tend to feel this way more often as a wolf.

Well Ted can’t be scum with Urist because Urist didn’t mention Ted as a Zero Poster in his Zero Poster post

I can’t tell if this is a joke or not.

knowing a little of seth, i'd say it isn't

[tedxtr]

I agree with Urist being eliminated today barring further solving progress on my end

oh

hmm

[tedxtr]

sorry im a moron, i read from end to beginning ^^

[tedxtr]

@DrWilgy can you write some words on why you keep coming back to nook?

(soon pay)

Flip through Nook's ISO.

I think the best way to describe the Nook read is that it feels like alot of his posts are dissuasive. If there's a wolf in those who claimed I was town during RVS, this is what makes me feel that it's Nook.

The dynamic between Nook and NAA is weird, but that may be NAI when it comes to Nook.

a lot of stuff is nai for nook tbh

can you go over what you find to be AI and why it's wolfy for him?

[Cream&Cannoli Enterprises]

i remember you scum reading urist, what are your thoughts on him now / his wagon?

Not much has changed. I still can't come around to him being town.

I see that he voted nutella after you outed a suspicion on nutella. His play here just feels so sheepy, like he's scum helping snowball other people's pushes.

His wagon is kinda weird.

I'm trying to think if it's town indicative that no one is really townreading him or defending him now, either explicitly or implicitly?
- His EOD1 outbust (#522) seems a bit overly brash if coming from scum, which could point to him being town. But anger is one of the easier emotions to fake.

[srceenplay]

Honestly 24 hours isn't much time to work with for day 1, so I'm more just wanting to to get something going and getting people to do stuff.
TBH I'm not really opposed to lynching myself just because the fact so many people have given reads on me to the point where It's probably advantages just to get connections.
I'm not 100% sure about Gavial, but I'm leaning a more towards it being Mafia, though I want to see a proper response from him about my accusation to really be able to tell.

If this doesn’t fuckin scream town.
Y’all are nuts!


Do me a favour though LP and vote someone for CW because I don’t wanna lose you.

How the hell is “town” OK dying an obvious town play? More like scumy play on emotions.

Are you two both scum distancing?

Screenplay matching my opinion. I like it.

Not exactly "I agree"