Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[iaafr]

Updated trustfall:

anne: Twice the counterwagon to flipped scum
DrWilgy: On Mac at EoD2, some decent effort
Dyslexicon: Mac was the lone vote on Dyslexicon at EoD1 and Axehole at EoD2, and the latter flipped town
Esooa: Seemed unfamiliar with game mechanics when she first posted, she may have been more caught up if she was in wolfchat
iaafr: Mechanically cleared town
ilario: Is mod confirmed town to me
Lime Coke: Played a key role in flipping two wolves, progression is very similar to mine, ilario's, and flipped town cassandra
Marmot: Broke the tie in favor of voting out scum
nutella: Some of her EoD posts concerning iaafr would look weird if anne flips town, which seems likely
staypositivefriend: Did vote for two wolves at EoD

Out of everyone, only Esooa and nutella have not given me any more reasons to believe they're town since the last trustfall

I still think nutellas progression on Mac from her side looks potentially unaligned and uninformed

same with her esooa progression

maybe I'm hard underestimating nutella tho?

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

[Esooa]

sigh i was really really hoping that'd be the red

now this is a mess and i almost want to die

lmao

[iaafr]

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

my distrustfall on her goes something like

hard wolfsiding with votes despite sussing Jay and Mac with words

the random 1 w/w perception of me with anne isn't something that seems that real, the quote collection she picked was villagery by me and I'm not sure I buy those posts actually gave a me/Anne w/w tinfoil

pockety behavior seemingly egged on by Jay and Mac both tying us together (but isn't that just designed to induce paranoia???)

a bit too much agreement?

mid day dropoffs with not much random nutella flip flopping in either mid day


shrug

maybe I let leetic and LC get this flip

[iaafr]

also she seemed frozen both eods

so yea ok why not maybe Alexa was a god and really saw a w/w who knows

[iaafr]

volume outed

[Esooa]

if ur town then who's mafia, esooa?

NAA

if NAA flips town would u agree to self-vote?

sure

[Esooa]

@leetic

[leetic]

@leetic

You're dying today

[leetic]

I'm sorry, but if you're self-voting it means you want to die, and I would be happy to oblige that request

[Esooa]

we killed wolves day 1 and 2 and I don't care to post myself out of PoE

Do what you want I'm going to play killing floor

[Esooa]

I'm a fruit vendor but my fruit is phenomona

[iaafr]

I'm a fruit vendor but my fruit is phenomona

why didnt you fruit me

[Esooa]

I didn't submit an action last night lmao cause it's irrelevant

[iaafr]

i would have enjoyed the fruit

but ok

[iaafr]

enjoy killing floor

gonna hope the better players can me can solve this if its not like all inside { esooa nutella wilgy dizzy anne }

also identify the town inside there

who knowz

[iaafr]

enjoy killing floor

gonna hope the better players than me can solve this if its not like all inside { esooa nutella wilgy dizzy anne }

also identify the town inside there

who knowz

ebwop

head full of fuck

[leetic]

I'm a fruit vendor but my fruit is phenomona

Did anyone receive fruit?

[iaafr]

dyslexicon and nutella are the two players whose stances on mac amounted to "scummy by play, almost obvscum by play, but hesitant due to mech"

is that just the scum version of the take on mac? knowing hes obvscum but using mech as a crutch to give him another day and try to miss outside...?

wilgy anne and esooa on the other hand all vocally wanted mac dead

am i too quick to assume scum would rather hard bus mac there

maybe i feel better voting nutella now who knows

obviously hindsight 20/20 but i really wish i shot either esooa or nutella now lmao

[Marmot]

I'm a fruit vendor but my fruit is phenomona

This checks out, I got one Night 1.

[Marmot]

btw anyone wanna claim why my action failed

I'm pure af, wasn't me

Someone else's phenomenon I guess

I said this Day 2 too, not that it matters since it's fruit I guess

[iaafr]

yeah atp i think i prefer flipping nutella over esooa

[Lime Coke]

Is the fruit supposed to...do anything?

[Marmot]

Is the fruit supposed to...do anything?

I've tried, it doesn't do anything. I believe esooa's claim.

[iaafr]

yeah atp i think i prefer flipping nutella over esooa

actually i think im being possibly exactly wrong again but thatd be par for the course

[DrWilgy]

@falcon45ca This shit

I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on

And this shit

nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.

If there is a wolf in these two, it has to be nutella as iaafr is clear

I believe you, but can someone explain Iaafr clear?

[Marmot]

@falcon45ca This shit

I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on

And this shit

nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.

If there is a wolf in these two, it has to be nutella as iaafr is clear

I believe you, but can someone explain Iaafr clear?

Check leetic's iso, he explained it well.

[Lime Coke]

@falcon45ca This shit

I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on

And this shit

nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.

If there is a wolf in these two, it has to be nutella as iaafr is clear

I believe you, but can someone explain Iaafr clear?

He's got a role that takes the role of someone that died.

So he took Nook's role which is a "Loyalty cop" which means that it says if the person you're checking is the same alignment as themselves.

So IAAFR checked NAA and got same alignment so if IAAFFR is town then NAA is also town.

[iaafr]

i might just stick with the occams razor "sheep spf" esooa/wilgy solve

esooa up until capitulating to mac was trying to push in naa/marmot

wilgy uh... still kind of tried to take pressure off mac d1 and was also called out by nanook...?

[iaafr]

@falcon45ca This shit

I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on

And this shit

nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.

If there is a wolf in these two, it has to be nutella as iaafr is clear

I believe you, but can someone explain Iaafr clear?

He's got a role that takes the role of someone that died.

So he took Nook's role which is a "Loyalty cop" which means that it says if the person you're checking is the same alignment as themselves.

So IAAFR checked NAA and got same alignment so if IAAFFR is town then NAA is also town.

loyal vig to be precise

a vig who can only land shots on the same alignment

i landed my shot

the only way to decide im not clear is to believe that i have a silent dayvig that i chose to use on naa and claim in order to pretend i backed up nanooks role when i have another dayvig role entirely

[DrWilgy]

I tried to take pressure off Mac?

I said his claim was shit from the get go and wanted him gone.

[iaafr]

I tried to take pressure off Mac?

I said his claim was shit from the get go and wanted him gone.

only d1, when initially presented with the mac wagon

d2, if youre a partner, you ruthlessly hard bussed

[staypositivefriend]

for posterity:

Town

falcon
iaafr
Lime coke
Nutella

Prob town but weh

Jay
spf
Marmot
wilgy
Axe

Haven't seen them post

Anne

Kill in

Dyslexicon
Cassandra
leetic

if I've missed anyone they're null too I guess

you can flip me now

*farts*

[staypositivefriend]

i might yeah, i'm p much equally fine with anne/naa chops

i think anne is straight up wolfy on play, i do see some argument for her being town on wagonomics but again her d1 wagon was pretty pure imo and w/w wagons are more common than ppl think so it means little to me when shes the least towny person in the game

i think naa has had some glimmers of townie perspective but i have close to no experience with him and something seems slimy/off about how hes engaged with people, maybe i expect him to be more abrasive as town and maybe thats not fair but he's hard poe and his views of the game are fairly incoherent to me

I can at least guarantee there are no wolves voting for naa right meow

one minor point in nutella's favor is that i felt like mac was kinda trying to manipulate nutella into voting for NAA in this post

which also makes me a little more paranoid about anne lol

[staypositivefriend]

Nutella is squarely in her lamist town meta and has been the whole game

also, it isn't that uncommon for mac to strongly townread his partners, but mac accused so many people of TMI'ing nutella as town throughout the game that i think it's pretty easy to view it as him TMI'ing nutella as town

im worried that im misreading nutella and that everyone else is right but im still not really feeling it

[staypositivefriend]

we've entered the stage of the game where im tinfoiling the leetic/ilario slot but ill probably change my mind in like an hour

[leetic]

Coloring wolf salads for reference

Town

falcon
iaafr
Lime coke
Nutella

Prob town but weh

Jay
spf
Marmot
wilgy
Axe

Haven't seen them post

Anne

Kill in

Dyslexicon
Cassandra
leetic

if I've missed anyone they're null too I guess

you can flip me now

*farts*

JJJ. who do you scumread tbh?

Active suspicion is limited. I don’t trust Nanook. I am vacant of cause to town read Anne, MR, Sloonei, Wilgy

@falcon45ca I have collected a solid number of town reads and posted them. I may not have posted the generic ~list~ but it’s in the plans once I can dedicate some time to review. For the moment here are town reads in no particular order:

leetic/ilario
cassandralexa
nutella
iaafr
Lime Coke
staypositivefriend

I feel pretty good about this group. There are some others I might consider e.g. Marmot. I’ll see.

Flipped or cleared town
People I have very strong reason to townread
Myself/ilario (town, but see as you wish)
Flipped wolves
Others

[staypositivefriend]

it does feel quite a lot like esooa is boxed in - even if she did want to throw in the towel today and give up, i would still expect her to have a scumread or a thought about who the wolves might be or literally ~anything~ other than bitter resignation

[iaafr]

it does feel quite a lot like esooa is boxed in - even if she did want to throw in the towel today and give up, i would still expect her to have a scumread or a thought about who the wolves might be or literally ~anything~ other than bitter resignation

in support of this narrative, her designated push was naa, and she could've been counting on just tdoming him with a one step at a time mindset, but I just popped him

[staypositivefriend]

yeah, the wolves were probably banking on a NAA mischop regardless of who they are

[iaafr]

also she hates role madness and that was probably a triggering role madness moment lmao

[iaafr]

the way wilgy is super stuck on the jay/nutella/iaafr thing is probably villagery

anne/esooa still makes sense on almost every level other than jay parking on anne

(reiterating once again that if anne was a w wagon its not like the team of afkanne/afkmac/afkjay/actuallyafkslooneid1 couldve really done anything to prevent the wagon from existing without sticking their neck out and risking more associations)

[staypositivefriend]

if anne was the designated scum mischop yesterday, then why did mac aggressively try to rally votes away from anne and toward NAA?

if anne was the designed scum mischop but mac did not push on anne, then who are the wolves that pushed on anne?

im not even calling anne a wolf - just trying to work out if the logic of: "anne was a counterwagon to the wolves, so she's clear" holds up to some logical scrutiny

[DrWilgy]

I just see no reason to not resolve it, but Esooa works still.

[staypositivefriend]

if anne was the designated scum mischop yesterday, then why did mac aggressively try to rally votes away from anne and toward NAA?

if anne was the designed scum mischop but mac did not push on anne, then who are the wolves that pushed on anne?

im not even calling anne a wolf - just trying to work out if the logic of: "anne was a counterwagon to the wolves, so she's clear" holds up to some logical scrutiny

ehh i might be overstating the "tried to rally votes on NAA" thing - mac only really tried to convince nutella to vote for NAA and he called NAA a wolf a few times toward the EOD as well

it's just, if we think that the pressure on anne throughout this game has been coming from a wolf-motivated place, then who are the wolves that pushed on her, especially yesterday? because mac wasn't one of them

[iaafr]

if anne was the designated scum mischop yesterday, then why did mac aggressively try to rally votes away from anne and toward NAA?

if anne was the designed scum mischop but mac did not push on anne, then who are the wolves that pushed on anne?

im not even calling anne a wolf - just trying to work out if the logic of: "anne was a counterwagon to the wolves, so she's clear" holds up to some logical scrutiny

ehh i might be overstating the "tried to rally votes on NAA" thing - mac only really tried to convince nutella to vote for NAA and he called NAA a wolf a few times toward the EOD as well

it's just, if we think that the pressure on anne throughout this game has been coming from a wolf-motivated place, then who are the wolves that pushed on her, especially yesterday? because mac wasn't one of them

*gestures at all the nutella confbiasers*

[iaafr]

also dizzy apparently, v!anne world might have a w dizzy

but i thought dizzy's townread of esooa and her reaction to it felt not w/w and dizzy is holistically villagerier imo

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

[staypositivefriend]

i think dizzy's posts have been incredibly sincere at many points throughout this game, but im not sure if that's a good reason for me to townread him. his overall content is lacking and his voting patterns yesterday (to my memory) were pretty rough

[Lime Coke]

There's a decent chance Esooa's mafia just based on the rest of the game but I can't completely see it for some reason.