Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[iaafr]

i still feel like dizzy is more in town meta than not and don't usually see him get poe'd this widely when he's wolf, but his vote record is ehhh and i keep defending wolves so i'm going to step back and admit i could be off base on him this game

this echoes how im feeling about dizzy

i mean he made a lot of good reads that echo my own but

it slightly bothered me how a lot of his takes were nearly identical to ones that id posted in the thread but he never quoted my identical takes (i might gather up examples later)

and mmmmmmmmmm idk maybe i bought the self meta harder than i shouldve

[nutella]

Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason

i assume not bc iaafr said it was 1shot so wouldnt have gotten the backup if it was used

I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"


I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm

well i'm not a hit

when i say tinfoil it usually means "i think this person is more likely town but have paranoia on them" and is not grounds for voting them, i still prefer to vote in my primary poe

Who's in your primary poe?

esooa/wilgy pretty much

i think esooa if wolf was deliberately defending me/tying us together, and had a lot of wordy posts that didn't actually have a point, i feel like i tend to find her more coherent and pointed as town. we now also know that naa's push on her yesterday was genuine and he seemed really confident that her posts don't come from town. so i'm comfortable voting there today

[leetic]

Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason

i assume not bc iaafr said it was 1shot so wouldnt have gotten the backup if it was used

I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"


I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm

well i'm not a hit

when i say tinfoil it usually means "i think this person is more likely town but have paranoia on them" and is not grounds for voting them, i still prefer to vote in my primary poe

Who's in your primary poe?

esooa/wilgy pretty much

i think esooa if wolf was deliberately defending me/tying us together, and had a lot of wordy posts that didn't actually have a point, i feel like i tend to find her more coherent and pointed as town. we now also know that naa's push on her yesterday was genuine and he seemed really confident that her posts don't come from town. so i'm comfortable voting there today

Do you see any interactions between the two that could come from partners?

[nutella]

i still feel like dizzy is more in town meta than not and don't usually see him get poe'd this widely when he's wolf, but his vote record is ehhh and i keep defending wolves so i'm going to step back and admit i could be off base on him this game

this echoes how im feeling about dizzy

i mean he made a lot of good reads that echo my own but

it slightly bothered me how a lot of his takes were nearly identical to ones that id posted in the thread but he never quoted my identical takes (i might gather up examples later)

and mmmmmmmmmm idk maybe i bought the self meta harder than i shouldve

yeah basically

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


alright i should stop posting for a while lol

[iaafr]

problem with mac cred is he was eminently bussable due to his doomed-by-mech situation

big part of the reason esooa's my top scumread now is

she like bent over backwards to townread mac for unique reasons when

that's kind of what she tends to do with partners as wolf in general (bussable phraze-level teammate caveat)

like the fact that she turned on mac and townsided for the vote wasnt that great a look? its kinda what she had to do to have any win equity as a wolf so i dont think she gets cred for it?

[leetic]

I can kind of see a world where Esooa's self-vote was a gambit to split the town votes between Mac and her and get anne misvoted

[nutella]

Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason

i assume not bc iaafr said it was 1shot so wouldnt have gotten the backup if it was used

I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"


I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm

well i'm not a hit

when i say tinfoil it usually means "i think this person is more likely town but have paranoia on them" and is not grounds for voting them, i still prefer to vote in my primary poe

Who's in your primary poe?

esooa/wilgy pretty much

i think esooa if wolf was deliberately defending me/tying us together, and had a lot of wordy posts that didn't actually have a point, i feel like i tend to find her more coherent and pointed as town. we now also know that naa's push on her yesterday was genuine and he seemed really confident that her posts don't come from town. so i'm comfortable voting there today

Do you see any interactions between the two that could come from partners?

esooa/wilgy? not specifically off the top of my head idt but we just need to find one today so interactions with flipped wolves are more helpful, and i do think esooa's progression on mac was sketchy

[iaafr]

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine

if esooa's not a wolf atp im quite stumped

[iaafr]

also sorry @NotAnAxehole for the mis-shot, ggwp

i genuinely thought you were scum and i was going to get a red check

also pushing esooa now in your honor

ill read some of your legacy later

[leetic]

Given the dire state for the wolf team at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the two remaining wolves bus each other. Don't fall for it if that happens.

[iaafr]

btw anyone with remaining doubts on me

i think page 53 in particular where mac pushed me and i reacted should look quite unaligned

like sure you can possibly confbias theater, idk, but it's literally v/w so it's on your association reading if you cant see it as v/w lol

also the fact that i called mac outed with nutella d1 at the timing that i did should look really good for both me and nutella imo

[Marmot]

problem with mac cred is he was eminently bussable due to his doomed-by-mech situation

big part of the reason esooa's my top scumread now is

she like bent over backwards to townread mac for unique reasons when

that's kind of what she tends to do with partners as wolf in general (bussable phraze-level teammate caveat)

like the fact that she turned on mac and townsided for the vote wasnt that great a look? its kinda what she had to do to have any win equity as a wolf so i dont think she gets cred for it?

Mac and esooa were members of a 2-party scum team in Fallout 2 Mafia, but esooa was killed Night 1, so that game probably isn't very useful for meta

[leetic]

@falcon45ca This shit

I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on

And this shit

nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.

If there is a wolf in these two, it has to be nutella as iaafr is clear

[iaafr]

I'm like very tempted to declare Mac hard outed but idk lmao

actually i guess if im being honest this isnt out of my scumrange LMAO

im sorry macdougall i should've seen the light earlier

the fact that i arrive here a page later with a wild tinfoil on ilario/leetic and create this interaction with mac, however, is out of my scumrange



idk if this self meta is helping anything but lol gonna post it anyway

[Marmot]

Given the dire state for the wolf team at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the two remaining wolves bus each other. Don't fall for it if that happens.

They both had to watch JJJ and Mac get chopped in un-unanimous fashion, so we have interactions with them to work with in our favor.

[iaafr]

I'm like very tempted to declare Mac hard outed but idk lmao

i was actually typing up a post saying that mac was demonstrating the "wolves don't know what to do when iaafr and nutella are tagteam obvtowning in thread" theorem but i felt bad about the hubris and deleted it but now i'm posting it anyway

he clearly doesn't know what to do which is >rand wolf for mac, it's early but significant imo

if anything this page looks better for nutella than it does for me

also i think nutellas reactions to esooaposting near sod2 should unalign her from esooa

i still think occams razors worlds are like esooa/wilgy or esooa/anne

[Lime Coke]

Mac's interactions were basically "I townread people who townread me and I scumread people who scumread me" so trying to decipher that shit is rough.

[Marmot]

Mac's interactions were basically "I townread people who townread me and I scumread people who scumread me" so trying to decipher that shit is rough.

Similar to Jay, I think reading how legitimately people pushed/scumread him is easier, given his clout provides a bit of a barrier

[staypositivefriend]

can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered for his claim? i feel like i missed something

[staypositivefriend]

can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered clear for his claim? i feel like i missed something

fixed

[Lime Coke]

Mac's interactions were basically "I townread people who townread me and I scumread people who scumread me" so trying to decipher that shit is rough.

Similar to Jay, I think reading how legitimately people pushed/scumread him is easier, given his clout provides a bit of a barrier

Yeah that makes sense, I'll have to get to it when I have free time.

[Lime Coke]

I might miss this EOD by the way, or at least I'll be out the house so I'll be doing as much as I can to make a yeet what I would want it to be.

[iaafr]

can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered clear for his claim? i feel like i missed something

fixed

loyal dayvig confirms that i am the same alignment as my target

you are free to tinfoil me as another role entirely with a public claimed vig that i used on naa of all people as scum, however

[iaafr]

wait its not even like a public shot and i wouldnt have had to claim it if im the scum versoin lol

i just silently pop spf or lime coke or leetic/ilario if im a scum dayvig

[leetic]

can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered for his claim? i feel like i missed something

P1: Loyal means the action will fail when used on a player of a different alignment.
P2: iaafr used his dayvig on NotAnAxehole, who flipped town.
P3: This is not a bastard game.
C: iaafr is clear town.

[Marmot]

can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered for his claim? i feel like i missed something

I'll leave that to leetic, I'm not entirely sure either.

Claims on their own shouldn't be clearing. Heck, nutella still thinks I have a chance at being scum, despite claiming to break the tie to chop mac

[Marmot]

can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered for his claim? i feel like i missed something

P1: Loyal means the action will fail when used on a player of a different alignment.
P2: iaafr used his dayvig on NotAnAxehole, who flipped town.
P3: This is not a bastard game.
C: iaafr is clear town.

Ooooh, gotcha. K

[leetic]

To keep this information organized:

Player - Claim
anne = Tracker (kind of)
DrWilgy - 1x Vig
Dyslexicon - ???
iaafr - Backup Loyal Dayvig, was Vanilla
ilario/leetic - Masons/Pseudo-Hydra
Lime Coke - ???
Marmot - Settles ties
nutella - Vanilla Cop
Esooa - ???
staypositivefriend - ???

Feel free to update this when more information comes out

[iaafr]

Anne/esooa should not be ruled out precisely because that team prefers Mac go down to either of them by a lot, and if Mac is always going down before endgame, both need cred there

[leetic]

Anne/esooa should not be ruled out precisely because that team prefers Mac go down to either of them by a lot, and if Mac is always going down before endgame, both need cred there

It'd be one thing if it happened once but Anne was twice the CW to flipped scum

[iaafr]

Anne/esooa should not be ruled out precisely because that team prefers Mac go down to either of them by a lot, and if Mac is always going down before endgame, both need cred there

It'd be one thing if it happened once but Anne was twice the CW to flipped scum

the Jay vote is honestly my biggest hesitation, nothing else about those wagon comps suggest to me her wagon had any scum agenda


also her eod2 posting is still something I find individually villagery


I still flip her before nutella if I could have it my way though

[leetic]

Updated trustfall:

anne: Twice the counterwagon to flipped scum
DrWilgy: On Mac at EoD2, some decent effort
Dyslexicon: Mac was the lone vote on Dyslexicon at EoD1 and Axehole at EoD2, and the latter flipped town
Esooa: Seemed unfamiliar with game mechanics when she first posted, she may have been more caught up if she was in wolfchat
iaafr: Mechanically cleared town
ilario: Is mod confirmed town to me
Lime Coke: Played a key role in flipping two wolves, progression is very similar to mine, ilario's, and flipped town cassandra
Marmot: Broke the tie in favor of voting out scum
nutella: Some of her EoD posts concerning iaafr would look weird if anne flips town, which seems likely
staypositivefriend: Did vote for two wolves at EoD

Out of everyone, only Esooa and nutella have not given me any more reasons to believe they're town since the last trustfall

[Esooa]

gg cassandra

i thought anne's eod was villagery and now think it might be naa/esooa

what the fuck lmao

[iaafr]

my current desired kill order is

esooa
wilgy
Anne
dizzy
Nutella

really hoping it's simply in the top 3 because if it isn't it's a really hard game

[Esooa]

Updated trustfall:

anne: Twice the counterwagon to flipped scum
DrWilgy: On Mac at EoD2, some decent effort
Dyslexicon: Mac was the lone vote on Dyslexicon at EoD1 and Axehole at EoD2, and the latter flipped town
Esooa: Seemed unfamiliar with game mechanics when she first posted, she may have been more caught up if she was in wolfchat
iaafr: Mechanically cleared town
ilario: Is mod confirmed town to me
Lime Coke: Played a key role in flipping two wolves, progression is very similar to mine, ilario's, and flipped town cassandra
Marmot: Broke the tie in favor of voting out scum
nutella: Some of her EoD posts concerning iaafr would look weird if anne flips town, which seems likely
staypositivefriend: Did vote for two wolves at EoD

Out of everyone, only Esooa and nutella have not given me any more reasons to believe they're town since the last trustfall

the fact that you think I haven't is why your reads are so bad bro

[iaafr]

gg cassandra

i thought anne's eod was villagery and now think it might be naa/esooa

what the fuck lmao

keep reading I popped naa

[Esooa]

back to killing floor

[Lime Coke]

back to killing floor

2? On what?

[leetic]

back to killing floor

I want you to claim, right now, unless you'd like to be voted to oblivion.

[Esooa]

back to killing floor

2? On what?

PC

[Esooa]

back to killing floor

I want you to claim, right now, unless you'd like to be voted to oblivion.

oooh boo hoo I haven't claimed my NAI role

[Lime Coke]

back to killing floor

2? On what?

PC

Shit I only got it on PS4.

Fun game though.

[staypositivefriend]

if ur town then who's mafia, esooa?

[leetic]

back to killing floor

I want you to claim, right now, unless you'd like to be voted to oblivion.

oooh boo hoo I haven't claimed my NAI role

Most people have at this point. Why do you want to remain an exception? Also, why the fuck did you still have a self-vote at EoD?

[staypositivefriend]

can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered for his claim? i feel like i missed something

P1: Loyal means the action will fail when used on a player of a different alignment.
P2: iaafr used his dayvig on NotAnAxehole, who flipped town.
P3: This is not a bastard game.
C: iaafr is clear town.

okay thanks for explaining, im fine w/rolling with that and i think he's probably town anyway

[Esooa]

if ur town then who's mafia, esooa?

NAA

[staypositivefriend]

if ur town then who's mafia, esooa?

NAA

if NAA flips town would u agree to self-vote?

[leetic]

if ur town then who's mafia, esooa?

NAA

You catch on quickly

[Esooa]

if ur town then who's mafia, esooa?

NAA

You catch on quickly

you're SO fuckign annoying lmaop

I wolf read him over 24 hours ago????????????

go away

[leetic]

if ur town then who's mafia, esooa?

NAA

You catch on quickly

you're SO fuckign annoying lmaop

I wolf read him over 24 hours ago????????????

go away

Good to know you're still wolf reading flipped town