Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[leetic]

Does someone still have the old poll saved? I don't see it in the OP and I remember Dyslexicon was on a vanity wagon but I don't remember who

[staypositivefriend]

gonna reiterate again that JJJ did not have a towncore, and only posted a list of townreads once when he was specifically prompted to by another player. someone can correct me if im wrong but it's important that we play based on what actually happened in this game

[nutella]

The simulation indicates that JJJ is mafia with 3 of these 5 people:

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

That is the PoE that the JJJ simulator has spit out.

interesting approach lol

fmpov it would be iaafr/anne/esooa which... actually makes a lot of sense in some ways hm

Why are you clearing Dyslexicon?

because he's obvious town

[Marmot]

Ok I think nutella's town, but I still don't think iaafr is a woof

[anne]

like id rather vote mac at this point. i think falcon is scummy and he could be w/w with mac and mac isnt that townie either so like he can go

[leetic]

lmao axe, I'm not reading that right now, but I will tomorrow

I put the important parts in bold green, conclusion at the bottom, evidence in spoilers... WHAT MORE CAN I DO TO GET YOUR ATTENTION?

I appreciate it, I just worry I'll miss all the other things that are being said.

I'll try

tl;dr

PoE

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

Can you order your PoE by level of suspicion?

[Esooa]

I'm not voting iaafr today and it's p dumb to

@nutella are u happy with me

[Marmot]

Does someone still have the old poll saved? I don't see it in the OP and I remember Dyslexicon was on a vanity wagon but I don't remember who

He was on Unvote, but I'll repost the poll (it's in my iso)

[staypositivefriend]

what if iaafr/mac are wolves and mac made that sudden case on iaafr on d1 to distance from him?

lol

[cassandra]

vote: anne

why?

you're not towny

i'm still sturggling to understand your earlier logic on voting falcon over mac because i think you understand the mechs and were pretending to be naive, and if you're town this is something i want to talk to you about in post game because you're being weird.

[Lime Coke]

Does someone still have the old poll saved? I don't see it in the OP and I remember Dyslexicon was on a vanity wagon but I don't remember who

She was voting sleep.

[Marmot]

Here's the final tally from Day 1.

) anne
5
25%
Voters: Master Radishes, falcon45ca, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, DrWilgy
) DrWilgy
2
10%
Voters: ilario, iaafr
) Dyslexicon
1
5%
Voters: MacDougall
) JaggedJimmyJay
7
35%
Voters: leetic, Marmot, Lime Coke, cassandra, staypositivefriend, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, NotAnAxehole
) NotAnAxehole
1
5%
Voters: anne
) sleep
1
5%
Voters: Dyslexicon

No Vote: Sloonei

He voted Sleep, but close enough

[anne]

what if iaafr/mac are wolves and mac made that sudden case on iaafr on d1 to distance from him?

lol

doesnt mac hard shield partners tho?

[staypositivefriend]

i got pinged hard by dyslexicon earlier when he agreed with nutella that i was "poking at the wrong stuff" when he was poking at an EXTREMELY similar thing to me on the exact same page, but i think he's been towny otherwise and i dont want to kill him today

[leetic]

The simulation indicates that JJJ is mafia with 3 of these 5 people:

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

That is the PoE that the JJJ simulator has spit out.

interesting approach lol

fmpov it would be iaafr/anne/esooa which... actually makes a lot of sense in some ways hm

Why are you clearing Dyslexicon?

because he's obvious town

Obvious how? I haven't seen anything in their ISO that is particularly clearing

[anne]

vote: anne

why?

you're not towny

i'm still sturggling to understand your earlier logic on voting falcon over mac because i think you understand the mechs and were pretending to be naive, and if you're town this is something i want to talk to you about in post game because you're being weird.

what ._.

how am i being weird?

[staypositivefriend]

what if iaafr/mac are wolves and mac made that sudden case on iaafr on d1 to distance from him?

lol

doesnt mac hard shield partners tho?

not necessarily in my experience, it depends on partner/the context of the game

[Marmot]

lmao axe, I'm not reading that right now, but I will tomorrow

I put the important parts in bold green, conclusion at the bottom, evidence in spoilers... WHAT MORE CAN I DO TO GET YOUR ATTENTION?

I appreciate it, I just worry I'll miss all the other things that are being said.

I'll try

tl;dr

PoE

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

This I do agree with (though I do still have your name in it for raisins)

[leetic]

Here's the final tally from Day 1.

) anne
5
25%
Voters: Master Radishes, falcon45ca, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, DrWilgy
) DrWilgy
2
10%
Voters: ilario, iaafr
) Dyslexicon
1
5%
Voters: MacDougall
) JaggedJimmyJay
7
35%
Voters: leetic, Marmot, Lime Coke, cassandra, staypositivefriend, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, NotAnAxehole
) NotAnAxehole
1
5%
Voters: anne
) sleep
1
5%
Voters: Dyslexicon

No Vote: Sloonei

He voted Sleep, but close enough

Yeah, not a good vote at all, even if it wasn't during EoD

[iaafr]

notanaxehole has been people pleasing yet extremely opportunistic with finding reasons to scumread any apparent viable miss in the gamestate. this has shifted from esooa/wilgy early in the day, to spf, to marmot. none of these are organic, all of these are in lockstep with actual town players expressing suspicion on those slots.

his progression on anne is handwavey and nonsensical. his aim while in the thread is to keep discussion on scumreading and scumcasing viable misses. he is lock scum.

@ilario you flipped off your good naa scumread btw




macdougall has still not made a decent scumread this day. his scumread on me sucks and is the kind of confbias that doesn't arise naturally in the way it did. there's no fire, there's no apparent readiness to find me if town and follow up on crushing scum together. he played his way into having a scumread that looked decent on surface level existing in the thread, and farted a bunch, and dipped.

lock scum.




anne

idk she's probably playing fine and i'd probably townread her if not for like, extreme apparent demotivation and gamestate stuff, as well as reads and metareads from other people, but she still makes sense on multiple levels as the third maf. the reasons to townread her by lime coke and ilario feel questionable, weak, she's posting fine but there's no bite or force, her participation feels obligatory, and while she's gotten demoralized in a town game i've been with her in before (champs but different) the nature of how she got demoralized was different and her d1 play still felt different. idk. i could see myself being wrong here, but i still kill this before any of

my obvtown reads: spf, cassandra, marmot, nutella, lime coke, ilario/leetic, dyslexicon, drwilgy, esooa, falcon

whoops i just named every other slot. so yea anne is lock scum too.


same exact poe as cassandra's mid day poe, same poe as dizzy's with esooa replaced w/ i forget who, similar to spf's

we're forming a consensus townblock with consensus reads but we're sick and right and it's not a sign of a bad gamestate that this is happening



stop townreading anne, your association and gamestate reads suck, her team couldn't do anything about her being wagoned, some distancing was necessary for wolf wincon so jay parking doesnt clear her either, kill her.

stop townreading mac, even if he managed to produce 1 sort of towny page, it's a page where he scumreads me and gets stuck on it, kill him

stop townreading notanaxehole, all of his shifts are opportunistic and are there to be in sync with your bad scumreads and make u feel good about them. his marmot scumread sounds good but is just a meta comparison that marmot's already pointed out the lack of validity of. his spf scumread i still don't even get. blah blah etc kill him.


stop scumreading nutella, all her thoughts samebrained with me to some extent except for randomly tinfoiling alexa/lc on bong rips, the nature of how she was wrong on jay was the uninformed version, scum nutella is a lot more awkward and probably doesn't even come up with scumreading town alexa/lc as an option in this game from TMI perspective; she's just town.

stop scumreading esooa, she's obvtowning via perspective and wants a more interesting world than the ez world, but all of her reads are just from uninformed perspective and i don't think she ever resorts to a full readslist, like, that's just not the scum esooa version, she'd sweet talk the town into townreading her with less words than that.

stop scumreading marmot, he's a fuzzy wittle wascal

stop scumreading spf, she's really extremely gay, like, trust-tell levels of being gay here (legal disclaimer: not a serious accusation of a trust tell)





think that about covers it

also fuck the police 101/100 (gonna shut up till eod tho)

I have only one post this eod and I'm just gonna reiterate this worldview

voting me is garbo and cringe

if I'm wrong on one of my 3 wolves the most likely wolf is prob marmot

don't care to say more, voting biggest wagon in my Poe at eod regardless

[Esooa]

iaafr not being here is weird but bad vote

[Lime Coke]

what if iaafr/mac are wolves and mac made that sudden case on iaafr on d1 to distance from him?

lol

doesnt mac hard shield partners tho?

He does a bit of both.

Venom n Guns he bussed 2 of his teammates then hard shielded Kane.

[NotAnAxehole]

lmao axe, I'm not reading that right now, but I will tomorrow

I put the important parts in bold green, conclusion at the bottom, evidence in spoilers... WHAT MORE CAN I DO TO GET YOUR ATTENTION?

I appreciate it, I just worry I'll miss all the other things that are being said.

I'll try

tl;dr

PoE

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

Can you order your PoE by level of suspicion?

Tier 1:

iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

Tier 2:
Anne

[cassandra]

vote: anne

why?

you're not towny

i'm still sturggling to understand your earlier logic on voting falcon over mac because i think you understand the mechs and were pretending to be naive, and if you're town this is something i want to talk to you about in post game because you're being weird.

what ._.

how am i being weird?

the way you treated the falcon/mac stuff?

[leetic]

gonna reiterate again that JJJ did not have a towncore, and only posted a list of townreads once when he was specifically prompted to by another player. someone can correct me if im wrong but it's important that we play based on what actually happened in this game

It's still pretty likely for wolves to sneak one of their own into such lists, but I will admit that it's not a 100% guarantee

[Esooa]

BK why did u say earlier you were finally going to read my wall post and haven't said anything about me since

[nutella]

what if iaafr/mac are wolves and mac made that sudden case on iaafr on d1 to distance from him?

lol

possible

i can see a team of anne/iaafr/esooa or anne/iaafr/mac


anyway lets just flip anne today

[leetic]

lmao axe, I'm not reading that right now, but I will tomorrow

I put the important parts in bold green, conclusion at the bottom, evidence in spoilers... WHAT MORE CAN I DO TO GET YOUR ATTENTION?

I appreciate it, I just worry I'll miss all the other things that are being said.

I'll try

tl;dr

PoE

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

Can you order your PoE by level of suspicion?

Tier 1:

iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

Tier 2:
Anne

Does Tier 2 mean anne is more or less suspicious?

[anne]

vote: anne

why?

you're not towny

i'm still sturggling to understand your earlier logic on voting falcon over mac because i think you understand the mechs and were pretending to be naive, and if you're town this is something i want to talk to you about in post game because you're being weird.

what ._.

how am i being weird?

the way you treated the falcon/mac stuff?

but i dont understand how that's weird... and the way you're wording things it makes it sound like i did something bad so idk

[nutella]

also maybe goes without saying if i confbias that world but, im feeling better about spf atm

[leetic]

what if iaafr/mac are wolves and mac made that sudden case on iaafr on d1 to distance from him?

lol

possible

i can see a team of anne/iaafr/esooa or anne/iaafr/mac


anyway lets just flip anne today

I still have not seen a good reason from you why JJJ would prefer anne to die over Wilgy, Axehole, and MR (the lattermost of which is confirmed town)

[DrWilgy]

Alright I'm back on Mac.

I'm torn on Iaafr and Nutella, but at least I like the Mac yeet without that contention.

[staypositivefriend]

gonna reiterate again that JJJ did not have a towncore, and only posted a list of townreads once when he was specifically prompted to by another player. someone can correct me if im wrong but it's important that we play based on what actually happened in this game

It's still pretty likely for wolves to sneak one of their own into such lists, but I will admit that it's not a 100% guarantee

i dont disagree, but there's a big degree of separation between: "jagged had a towncore" and "jagged posted a list of 6 townreads in exactly one post after he was prompted to by one player", and it was tripping me up that people were treating it like the former

[Marmot]

Also, if Jay lists 6 townreads and 1 of them is actually a wolf, that means there are probably 2 other players among the other 9 in the game who are also wolf.

I like my odds picking 2 from the other 9, especially given that Jay's TRs were overall agreeable enough with the gamestate totday

[NotAnAxehole]

Ok I think nutella's town, but I still don't think iaafr is a woof

I think your read accuracy here is exactly 50%.

[cassandra]

ugh idk who the fuck to vote because anne's last post reminded me of her town game in reflections fuck.

[staypositivefriend]

the mac wagon is based

[nutella]

The simulation indicates that JJJ is mafia with 3 of these 5 people:

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

That is the PoE that the JJJ simulator has spit out.

interesting approach lol

fmpov it would be iaafr/anne/esooa which... actually makes a lot of sense in some ways hm

Why are you clearing Dyslexicon?

because he's obvious town

Obvious how? I haven't seen anything in their ISO that is particularly clearing

pretty sure i wouldn't be able to explain in a way that makes sense to your rigid frames of reference

hes just real, making keen observations, not playing how he would as wolf

[cassandra]

vote: anne

why?

you're not towny

i'm still sturggling to understand your earlier logic on voting falcon over mac because i think you understand the mechs and were pretending to be naive, and if you're town this is something i want to talk to you about in post game because you're being weird.

what ._.

how am i being weird?

the way you treated the falcon/mac stuff?

but i dont understand how that's weird... and the way you're wording things it makes it sound like i did something bad so idk

i think the mac/falcon stuff was pretty clear and you acted naive about it for a long time

[Lime Coke]

BK why did u say earlier you were finally going to read my wall post and haven't said anything about me since

I did and I never posted it.

But like 90% of your read on each player was "I think they could be town but I have been pinged by this" which is kinda odd.

Like I get that you don't wall post or post wall reads that often because it's harder to get out of it as mafia and it leaves you less breathing room, but you managed to do that while leaving room for FOS's.

That's been my interpretation of it.

[Marmot]

Like, we shouldn't pick someone to chop from Jay's townreads, because most of them are pretty clearly town

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, if Jay lists 6 townreads and 1 of them is actually a wolf, that means there are probably 2 other players among the other 9 in the game who are also wolf.

I like my odds picking 2 from the other 9, especially given that Jay's TRs were overall agreeable enough with the gamestate totday

Unless you can narrow down the 6 through other means, but not the 9.

[leetic]

All three of the largest wagons are uninspiring at the moment, people please do better

[Marmot]

Ok I think nutella's town, but I still don't think iaafr is a woof

I think your read accuracy here is exactly 50%.

I'll take those odds

[nutella]

I have only one post this eod and I'm just gonna reiterate this worldview

voting me is garbo and cringe

if I'm wrong on one of my 3 wolves the most likely wolf is prob marmot

don't care to say more, voting biggest wagon in my Poe at eod regardless

yeah fair enough i still just want to chop anne today

[DrWilgy]

*Scared flailing*

[anne]

i acted naive about it for one post and me saying anything about that is NAI to begin with so you're free to vote me still.

[cassandra]

we should just chop all jay's townreads because surely he included a wolf there

[staypositivefriend]

i might just trust my townreads and end up on anne tbh, ive felt weirdly hesitant about joining her wagon and im not sure why

[Marmot]

*Scared flailing*

This is the way!!

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine