Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[anne]

i'm feeling kind of overwhelmed rn with the amount of people i have yet to read any posts from. i did skim a bit of what i missed this morning and think SPF's stuff was kinda bleh

[Dyslexicon]

Be the overwhelmee, not the overwhelmed.

- Dizzy.

[cassandra]

oh wait mac has 2 votes, we doin' this bbz

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[anne]

my vote was a meme at first but i think im fine keeping it here for now

also i think scumreading iaafr for putting together a random scum team just isn't really a good reason. i do that all the time too and ive discussed enough mafia with iaafr to know that's just kinda how he is irt to cred-grabbing. i'm sure there's other reasoning for it, but that was one reason that stuck out to me as not Amazing

[cassandra]

SPF seemed fine to me

[anne]

also leetic seems overly concerned with pressuring people they feel aren't "doing enough" which i think is townie in attitude but not really productive for generating good scumreads sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

im gay

[anne]

SPF seemed fine to me

really? i think her posts seemed too big

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mac's posts are pretty much nothing to this point. He can have the certified Not Town Read.

[Dyslexicon]

game gay confirmed

[anne]

maybe thats not a good way to read spf tho

[Dyslexicon]

I'm convinced 70 % of the internet is gay. Why do we never go out?

[nutella]

illario and leertic are my top townreads probably at this point (have not read most recent pages but caught up earlier) with iaafr right below

p much agree with this

feel like it was mostly axe who was pushing iaafr and he's either maf or apparently regularly has reads of that caliber of badness so yeah just dont listen

marmot expressed issues with iaafr too, and (a) i also suspect marmot atm and (b) if marmot's concerns are genuine they come from a place of not much familiarity with iaafr and not understanding that everything hes done here is pretty normal for his town game imo. like the calling out hypothetical teams, that's just the spec chat warrior way

[cassandra]

SPF seemed fine to me

really? i think her posts seemed too big

i thought they were just the right size ; )

[anne]

SPF seemed fine to me

really? i think her posts seemed too big

i thought they were just the right size ; )

gasp



i need a mod here

[Dyslexicon]

Too much mafia talk. I'm leaving. Good luck though. I'm sure you're doing great, all of you!

[Dyslexicon]

SPF seemed fine to me

really? i think her posts seemed too big

i thought they were just the right size ; )

Wait, maybe I'm not leaving

[anne]

can someone give me a scumread. as in write a scumread for me that i can use and vote on.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dizzy why don't I town read you

[Dyslexicon]

can someone give me a scumread. as in write a scumread for me that i can use and vote on.

Mac is scum is Mac. Let's get him.

[nutella]

sorting playerlist into two simple tiers (alphabetical within)

i have at least some degree of town impressions:
anne
cassandra
iaafr
ilario/leetic
jaggedjimmyjay
lime coke
master radishes
nanook

i don't feel any reason to townread:
drwilgy
dyslexicon
falcon
macdougall
marmot
notanaxehole
sloonei
staypositivefriend

the most out-of-place names on each list feel like master radishes and spf, in that they can almost go in either

i'm curious if my take on marmot is controversial since he has actually produced a reasonable amount of content, it's just that the content and its depth doesn't ring genuine to me. maybe i'm crazy but that rodent smells funky

[Dyslexicon]

Dizzy why don't I town read you

I don't know. Sounds like a you-problem tbh.

[cassandra]

can someone give me a scumread. as in write a scumread for me that i can use and vote on.

Mac's posts did nothing to me and felt like he was struggling to generate content

JJJ feels distinctly off - his posting isn't bad but lacks the town leadershipness. i think he's either mafia or some PR trying to survive

NAA feels less towny than last game though admittedly my eyes glazed over when i read a lot of their posts

there u go

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also i just remembered MR's entrance felt kinda towny.

[anne]

can someone give me a scumread. as in write a scumread for me that i can use and vote on.

Mac's posts did nothing to me and felt like he was struggling to generate content

JJJ feels distinctly off - his posting isn't bad but lacks the town leadershipness. i think he's either mafia or some PR trying to survive

NAA feels less towny than last game though admittedly my eyes glazed over when i read a lot of their posts

there u go

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also i just remembered MR's entrance felt kinda towny.

okay. im gonna go reread Mac and NAA posts since i didn't really get to read those in-depth.

[iaafr]

naa can die for scumreading me

[cassandra]

sorting playerlist into two simple tiers (alphabetical within)

i have at least some degree of town impressions:
anne
cassandra
iaafr
ilario/leetic
jaggedjimmyjay
lime coke
master radishes
nanook

i don't feel any reason to townread:
drwilgy
dyslexicon
falcon
macdougall
marmot
notanaxehole
sloonei
staypositivefriend

the most out-of-place names on each list feel like master radishes and spf, in that they can almost go in either

i'm curious if my take on marmot is controversial since he has actually produced a reasonable amount of content, it's just that the content and its depth doesn't ring genuine to me. maybe i'm crazy but that rodent smells funky

actually i think i agree with all this. anne/SPF are both kinda at "not ready to sort" levels for me though maybe.

[Dyslexicon]

I wonder how long I can last, being in general PoE. I should try that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm a bit torn on the rodent from the PNW. Holistically, I think his posts look fine -- his hunt seems to be organized in a way that recalls some of his other recent town efforts reasonably well. Conversely I sensed some opportunism in his treatment of me (e.g. suggesting I changed my approach somehow after pressure). I grant there's personal bias in that. It'd help to get someone else's perspective about Marmot's view of me.

[cassandra]

sorting playerlist into two simple tiers (alphabetical within)

i have at least some degree of town impressions:
anne
cassandra
iaafr
ilario/leetic
jaggedjimmyjay
lime coke
master radishes
nanook

i don't feel any reason to townread:
drwilgy
dyslexicon
falcon
macdougall
marmot
notanaxehole
sloonei
staypositivefriend

the most out-of-place names on each list feel like master radishes and spf, in that they can almost go in either

i'm curious if my take on marmot is controversial since he has actually produced a reasonable amount of content, it's just that the content and its depth doesn't ring genuine to me. maybe i'm crazy but that rodent smells funky

actually i think i agree with all this. anne/SPF are both kinda at "not ready to sort" levels for me though maybe.

oh i also don't agree with JJJ
i'd swap SPF and JJJ mayb

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Regarding my leadership capacity (re: alexa): remember from the article (shameless plug) that one of the first core questions to ask about leadership in Mafia is whether or not the game actually calls for it or has a need for it in a given situation. Just joining a game and immediately going Leader Mode isn't necessarily a good thing.

[Master Radishes]

You are all largely right but also somewhat wrong.



Gonna quote this post-game for the cred.

[cassandra]

i feel like SPF wouldn't push on nutella off the bat as scum/town because she'd be aware nutella isn't MLable. though as i say that i remember that she did the "push to pocket" approach to me before so i'm a bit more shrug about it but i still kinda gut townread that. also i liked her saying something pinged her from me but she ignored it

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You are all largely right but also somewhat wrong.



Gonna quote this post-game for the cred.

you could town read every single player and this would apply

[Dyslexicon]

You are all largely right but also somewhat wrong.



Gonna quote this post-game for the cred.

Radish town, cause mad mindmeld here. Almost posted something akin to this

[Dyslexicon]

You are all largely right but also somewhat wrong.



Gonna quote this post-game for the cred.

you could town read every single player and this would apply

Me every game tbh

[Master Radishes]

Don't mind me, just here dropping truth bombs.

[cassandra]

Regarding my leadership capacity (re: alexa): remember from the article (shameless plug) that one of the first core questions to ask about leadership in Mafia is whether or not the game actually calls for it or has a need for it in a given situation. Just joining a game and immediately going Leader Mode isn't necessarily a good thing.

why do you feel this game doesn't need leadership?

[Master Radishes]

Regarding my leadership capacity (re: alexa): remember from the article (shameless plug) that one of the first core questions to ask about leadership in Mafia is whether or not the game actually calls for it or has a need for it in a given situation. Just joining a game and immediately going Leader Mode isn't necessarily a good thing.

why do you feel this game doesn't need leadership?

Philosophers are the OG anarchists

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Regarding my leadership capacity (re: alexa): remember from the article (shameless plug) that one of the first core questions to ask about leadership in Mafia is whether or not the game actually calls for it or has a need for it in a given situation. Just joining a game and immediately going Leader Mode isn't necessarily a good thing.

why do you feel this game doesn't need leadership?

The people playing in it. There are three elements to this player list that I think lend themselves nicely to a game where I don't have to take on that banner in every post:

- Familiarity -- a bunch of people here know each other well and can provide great insights on each other without needing to be prodded and poked
- Skill -- the players in this game are very good at Mafia and need less "guidance". I feel like a bit of a doofus saying so, but in some games I do feel like I need to provide guidance like a champs qualifier.
- Vibes -- these are good folks establishing and maintaining a positive environment and would likely be doing so if I wasn't playing

The situation might change at some point. I am ever watchful of a game's climate. But for the time being I really like where we are at as a game thread.

[Dyslexicon]

I also have an article that I think is relevant in this situation/this stage of the game. I'll link it below

Spoiler: show

peepeepoopoo

[iaafr]

Regarding my leadership capacity (re: alexa): remember from the article (shameless plug) that one of the first core questions to ask about leadership in Mafia is whether or not the game actually calls for it or has a need for it in a given situation. Just joining a game and immediately going Leader Mode isn't necessarily a good thing.

why do you feel this game doesn't need leadership?

Philosophers are the OG anarchists

good post

[cassandra]

mmm ok i'm just gonna let JJJ be for now.

townread:
illario/leetic
iaafr

nutella
LC

had various town pings:
Nook
MR
anne
SPF

POE/yet to develop a read:
DrWilgy
Marmot (his posting seems Okay but i have no idea of his scum play)
Dyslexicon
Sloonei
falcon
JJJ

kinda scummy:
Mac
NAA

[cassandra]

i can't tell if marmot's townread on me is pockety because we legit only played 1 game and i was 3P (which like i was mostly playing as town but also i was just townreading people i liked lol)

[cassandra]

so basically marmot calling me an easy read in #753 feels weird to me, i think i'm a pretty difficult read unless you're like some specific people, some of which are in this game but he's definitely not one of them

[iaafr]

Cassandra may I ask what you think the best reasons to townread me are

[staypositivefriend]

SPF seemed fine to me

really? i think her posts seemed too big

whattt? you know this isnt a good way to read me lol

[iaafr]

idk man pretty large for SOD1

sod2 maybe but SOD1?

[anne]

SPF seemed fine to me

really? i think her posts seemed too big

whattt? you know this isnt a good way to read me lol

that was a joke, sort of

[cassandra]

Cassandra may I ask what you think the best reasons to townread me are

the post you had about all your townreads possibly being scum then entertaining the idea of a team that i read in my catch-up solidified my townread on you

[cassandra]

but you've also in general had a lot of micro moments i find towny that'd be a lot easier to find if i could pull ISO
from memory you had a post about like, "i'm totally going to do thaat next time i'm scum" and just the general way you've been approaching reads

i guess this game will tell me for sure if you're polarized or not though because my only witness of you as scum was that turbo and you were obvious AF here, i'm sure you'd have a stronger scum game here but still feel like town rabbit to me

[staypositivefriend]

Part of our role is that we're confirmed town to each other (like masons). If me and ilario are of different alignments, then the game is bastard and the rules explicitly state that this isn't a bastard game.

@ilario - can you confirm that this is true?