Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, the reason I didn't catch her partner was that she wasn't under consideration... I play a very all-or-nothing style.

[Master Radishes]

I'm a flame thrower.

[Marmot]

Hypertown

Marmot - Town
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Despite what he said, I think he's offered more reads this game than he generally does Day 1 (and a lot more fluff). My meta read is that he's more calculated as scum in the reads that he states. He seems well outside of that meta rn.
cassandra - This feels like an easy read. I've played with alexa once (though I don't remember much about her there), but I'm seeing a lot of extended back-and-forths here, and a number of reads that are being adjusted as the game progresses in a believable way. Feels town.


Hypotown

NotAnAxehole - I'm putting him as light townread mainly from deferring to everyone else's townread of him.
MacDougall - I think his play so far is easy to replicate as either alignment, but I don't see any malice in it. This is mainly a vibe read.
Lime Coke - He seems fine. This feels like a lazy read. I dunno, he's like, posting some takes and also being honest about not posting at times. I like those things. His vote for NAA was pretty lazy. I dislike that. Overall I will still put him in a townlean.
nutella - I had an earlier gutread as town of nutella. It's waned a little bit though. All of her initial scumreads have turned into townreads (JJJ, Nanook, cass, spf), and not necessarily for great reasons. It bothers me a little bit, but also this is extremely counter-producitve as scum, so she's probably just town.
anne - This is a harder read. On one hand, I found her continued efforts to describe themselves as town a little over the top, but it's probably enough so that it might just be a townie thing. Also she has pushed a few buttons in ways that look mildly townie, and she's been fairly transparent with her overall thought process.
Master Radishes - Not much content to read, and yet I mildly read him town for his confidence.


POE

Dyslexicon - His recent entrance is uninvested, which means he cares about his sleep. His takes aren't inspiring. I anticipate he'll engage more, but he's POE for now.
JaggedJimmyJay - He still exists in the POE. He seems to be trying to engage the way he does. But again, his early contributions to the game looked stiff. He seems a little slow in responding and engaging with players. He did offer to take a step back and let other players do stuff, albeit after he received some pressure.
staypositivefriend - I didn't care for spf's "Oh I gave a read on every player, yay me" post. It seemed a little performative. Many of her reads were hedges.
iaafr - Posting lists of people that are possible scumteams? I don't get it. Also, there's this sequence of posts from him #1, #2 where he scumreads me, votes for me, then calls a take that I made a good one. I dunno. His reason for scumreading me is that many of my takes matched those that others had already made, and then he backed off when I had an original take that matched one of his scumreads. It's uh, I feel a little convenient. If iaafr is scum, I think this spews ilario/leetic as probably town.
ilario / leetic - leetic's reads read to me as kinda vanilla, and much of his contribution is centered more around mech approach than player reads. I don't like his interaction with NAA. I generally feel better from reading ilario's posts, but he's also pushed NAA in a way I feel slightly icky about.

DrWilgy - Basically no content
falcon45ca - Literally no content
Sloonei - Literally no content

[Marmot]

Enjoy my takes, be back later.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

For Marmot:

I don't care about "pressure". I didn't "offer" to step back, it's just what I have done in this game and I explained when prompted.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To clarify my view of leetic, which seems to be halfway controversial at this point: I view him as a player who in his hunt favors the most direct, readily apparent evidence available. He isn't the sort to take extra logical steps to develop reads e.g. wifom, and whether he is right or wrong he will stick with the first available interpretation of the posts in front of him. A Syndicate long-timer that I think plays a similar game is DFaraday. Sometimes that approach can be interpreted as opportunistic or low in nuance without those added inferential steps in the thought process even when it's a part of a player's solving process.

[NotAnAxehole]

I agree with all of Marmot's views.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

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[NotAnAxehole]

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lel

[Marmot]

Oh I'm not the only one sensing JJJ being off, good to know. The dude forgot how to wolf.

What’s off

You're talking about people and not to people. I'm accustomed to you engaging people with their takes and posts, rather than dropping a line or two and moving on.

Your tone doesn't look to me like you feel comfortable in this game.


I realize the first of these things is not what's happening here, but that's what I've noticed in your first dozen posts or so (I'm still on page 4).

Okay.

There’s a facilitatory character to what I suspect folks perceive as Generic Jay Play that is less critical in a game filled with great players who will talk plenty without me. That definitely includes pointed dialogue AT people. This thread has started the right way I think and I don’t feel an immediate need to do all that stuff right now. The game is doing well to facilitate itself without all my incessant nudging. Nice job gang!

I’ll let you catch up

I perceive this post as a declaration of taking a step back. Maybe it's not an offer. Whatever. You did do that. Maybe it was because you were receiving heat. Maybe it's because the game is moving in a direction that you liked. I don't think you taking heat is a direction that you would like.

I'll let you keep doing you though. I don't want to spend a bunch more posts talking about this tbh.

[Dyslexicon]

Town:
Marmot
Nutella
Leetic

I can solve the game without reading 90 % of it. You're all n00bs. Except Radish, he's a flame thrower, and pretty hot tbh

[Marmot]

NAA pocketing me on Day 1 is a new development.

IDENTITY THEFT IS NOT A JOKE JIM!

[Dyslexicon]

Town:
Marmot
Nutella
Leetic

I can solve the game without reading 90 % of it. You're all n00bs. Except Radish, he's a flame thrower, and pretty hot tbh

Plus Nanook

[Dyslexicon]

NAA pocketing me on Day 1 is a new development.

IDENTITY THEFT IS NOT A JOKE JIM!

My identity was stolen last December actually, and it was fucking annoying.
Now that guy is in prison though, so you know.
Wait, does that mean I am too?

[Marmot]

We could all wagon Nanook and see what he has to say at T-hr.

[Marmot]

NAA pocketing me on Day 1 is a new development.

IDENTITY THEFT IS NOT A JOKE JIM!

My identity was stolen last December actually, and it was fucking annoying.
Now that guy is in prison though, so you know.
Wait, does that mean I am too?

Lmao

[NotAnAxehole]

NAA pocketing me on Day 1 is a new development.

IDENTITY THEFT IS NOT A JOKE JIM!

The band of detractors creates a sense of urgency that usually isn't required. I need to correct my NPS score before management gets upset at me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

By the way Alexa, and others I guess, if you want to know why I'm townreading you, or what triggered it.

It was your sus-read on JJJ earlier.
The thing I've noticed in Fortune of Lies (Okay you were 3P there but you attempt to townside so I'll consider my read on you correct) is that we tend to have similar reads/thought processes as the game goes on. I was iso'ing JJJ at that moment and then came back to you posting that read, which I just said I agreed and stated my townread on you for it.
The second part is just I don't think you'd still have this amount of energy after so many mafia rands in a row, especially with them all being massive games.
The "energy" read doesn't feel as good as the first part since your scum game is incredible, but we both know you hate being mafia and I feel like you'd run out of gas EVENTUALLY if you kept randing mafia.

this is kind of what's bothering me about you this game. i feel like you're townreading me for like, verifiably good reasons. reasons you can talk about and quantify. i feel like a lot of the time when you're town, you townread me for ehhhhh reasons but defend it to death.

and like, yeah you're absolutely right. i realized lately i hate mafia and feel dead the whole game etc etc (i love 3p for fortune of lies was dif). but it just feels like you're able to explain it too well for you as town.

Would you say that you have, with this read, placed Lime Coke in a position where he can win? "You're bothering me because your reasons for your reads are good" is a bit difficult to take seriously.

[NotAnAxehole]

I just said NPS Score... What an idiot.

[NotAnAxehole]

Score Score... I'm going to be thinking about that one tonight when I go shuteye.

[Marmot]

NotAnAxehole is officially the second player to postcap.

[cassandra]

illario and leertic are my top townreads probably at this point (have not read most recent pages but caught up earlier) with iaafr right below

[Dyslexicon]

Did Ilario and Leetic claim masons or something?

[cassandra]

By the way Alexa, and others I guess, if you want to know why I'm townreading you, or what triggered it.

It was your sus-read on JJJ earlier.
The thing I've noticed in Fortune of Lies (Okay you were 3P there but you attempt to townside so I'll consider my read on you correct) is that we tend to have similar reads/thought processes as the game goes on. I was iso'ing JJJ at that moment and then came back to you posting that read, which I just said I agreed and stated my townread on you for it.
The second part is just I don't think you'd still have this amount of energy after so many mafia rands in a row, especially with them all being massive games.
The "energy" read doesn't feel as good as the first part since your scum game is incredible, but we both know you hate being mafia and I feel like you'd run out of gas EVENTUALLY if you kept randing mafia.

this is kind of what's bothering me about you this game. i feel like you're townreading me for like, verifiably good reasons. reasons you can talk about and quantify. i feel like a lot of the time when you're town, you townread me for ehhhhh reasons but defend it to death.

and like, yeah you're absolutely right. i realized lately i hate mafia and feel dead the whole game etc etc (i love 3p for fortune of lies was dif). but it just feels like you're able to explain it too well for you as town.

Would you say that you have, with this read, placed Lime Coke in a position where he can win? "You're bothering me because your reasons for your reads are good" is a bit difficult to take seriously.

i'm not sure how you're expecting me to answer this
like obviously it's a good thing to have solid reasons for things but i'm basing this on a large pool of meta that's also impossible to ignore

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Did Ilario and Leetic claim masons or something?

Basically. They're literally the same player slot, like a hydra

[cassandra]

I'm squinting at both JJJ and Mac.

[Dyslexicon]

Did Ilario and Leetic claim masons or something?

Basically. They're literally the same player slot, like a hydra

Oh. That's weird. I'm jealous.

[Marmot]

illario and leertic are my top townreads probably at this point (have not read most recent pages but caught up earlier) with iaafr right below

Why's that?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i'm not sure how you're expecting me to answer this
like obviously it's a good thing to have solid reasons for things but i'm basing this on a large pool of meta that's also impossible to ignore

I don't really have a precise "expectation"; it's just a question I wanted to ask about an accusation that struck me as no-win. @Lime Coke would you say this is a sensible or fair interpretation of your play on a meta level given your experience with alexa in the past? Anyone with insight here can provide it.

[Dyslexicon]

JIMMAAAAAYYYY

[cassandra]

illario and leertic are my top townreads probably at this point (have not read most recent pages but caught up earlier) with iaafr right below

Why's that?

because i townread illario a lot at this point and i believe the mason claim - weakened masons (pretty much?) the way they described it makes sense to me based on my role too and i think that's a town role, there's 0 reason to immediately claim masons with someone as mafia and it's not bastard. i also had leertic as towny earlier but i feel more comfortable reading illario.

your POE post doesn't seem bad to me, i'd just swap illario/leertic with Mac

i want Sloonei's take on Jay tbh.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JIMMAAAAAYYYY

DYSLEXICON.

[anne]

I'm not backreading, y'all tak too much

[anne]

Jk I read the current page and NAA's new avi is making me confuse him with Marmot

[Dyslexicon]

JIMMAAAAAYYYY

DYSLEXICON.

You are cute.

That's what I'm thinking about. ^^

[Dyslexicon]

I'm not backreading, y'all tak too much

Hi, Anne, are you neopest?

[cassandra]

i'm not sure how you're expecting me to answer this
like obviously it's a good thing to have solid reasons for things but i'm basing this on a large pool of meta that's also impossible to ignore

I don't really have a precise "expectation"; it's just a question I wanted to ask about an accusation that struck me as no-win. @Lime Coke would you say this is a sensible or fair interpretation of your play on a meta level given your experience with alexa in the past? Anyone with insight here can provide it.

it wasn't really a question - it was more of a statement/declaration
brad providing logical reasonings for townreads strikes me more as his scum play just from a meta POV, but his explanation/response to it was villagery tbh so i'm glad i asked it
also brad townreading SPF just for making reads felt like loltown brad in my catch-up

[anne]

Why do so many people want iaafr? I'm aware that he only has two votes, but saw other people expressing a suspicion on him.

[Dyslexicon]

Cassandra, your hair is gay.

Spoiler: show

im gay

[anne]

I'm not backreading, y'all tak too much

Hi, Anne, are you neopest?

Indeed I am

[nutella]

Well this was mostly a boring read

Can I town core Marmot and Ilario for almost no reason? Cool. I’ll vaguely sheep them and not read the game until I’m in F3.

This is oof though. I dont feel good about either marmot or dizzy

[Dyslexicon]

Why do so many people want iaafr? I'm aware that he only has two votes, but saw other people expressing a suspicion on him.

Don't look at me, I'm just bussing

[cassandra]

Cassandra, your hair is gay.

Spoiler: show

im gay

thanks, so am I

[Dyslexicon]

This is oof though. I dont feel good about either marmot or dizzy

Is ok. I have no friends.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JIMMAAAAAYYYY

DYSLEXICON.

You are cute.

That's what I'm thinking about. ^^

I haven't broken out the twirl in a long time. Here's a twirl.

[Dyslexicon]

we gay

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i'm not sure how you're expecting me to answer this
like obviously it's a good thing to have solid reasons for things but i'm basing this on a large pool of meta that's also impossible to ignore

I don't really have a precise "expectation"; it's just a question I wanted to ask about an accusation that struck me as no-win. @Lime Coke would you say this is a sensible or fair interpretation of your play on a meta level given your experience with alexa in the past? Anyone with insight here can provide it.

it wasn't really a question - it was more of a statement/declaration
brad providing logical reasonings for townreads strikes me more as his scum play just from a meta POV, but his explanation/response to it was villagery tbh so i'm glad i asked it
also brad townreading SPF just for making reads felt like loltown brad in my catch-up

Okay thank you. I'll see how he feels and go from there.

[Dyslexicon]

JIMMAAAAAYYYY

DYSLEXICON.

You are cute.

That's what I'm thinking about. ^^

I haven't broken out the twirl in a long time. Here's a twirl.

[cassandra]

oh why am i still voting nutella tbh

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

I'm not backreading, y'all tak too much

Hi, Anne, are you neopest?

Indeed I am